
Yngvi, Ingui or Ing appears to have been the older name for the god Freyr, which meant "lord". In Scandinavian mythology, Yngvi, alternatively Yngve, was the progenitor of the Yngling (lineage), a legendary dynasty of Sweden kings from whom the earliest historical Norway kings in turn claimed to be descended, see also Freyr. Information on Yngvi varies in different traditions as follows:
* Yngvi is a name of the god Freyr, perhaps intended as Frey's true name while Frey 'Lord' is his common title. In the ''Ynglinga saga'' and in ''Gesta Danorum'', Frey is euhemerized as a king of Sweden. In the ''Ynglinga saga'', Yngvi-Frey reigned in succession to his father Njörd who in turn succeeded Odin. Yngvi-Frey's descendants were the Ynglings.
* In the Islendíngabók ''Yngvi Tyrkja konungr'' 'Yngvi king of Turkey' appears as father of Njörd who in turn is the father of Yngvi-Frey, the ancestor of the Ynglings.
* In the introduction to Snorri Sturluson's ''Edda'' Snorri claims again that Odin reigned in Sweden and relates: "Odin had with him one of his sons called Yngvi, who was king in Sweden after him; and those houses come from him that are named Ynglings." Snorri here does not identify Yngvi and Frey though Frey occasionally appears elsewhere as son of a Odin instead of a son of Njörd. See Sons of Odin.
* In the ''Skáldskaparmál'' section of Snorri Sturluson's ''Edda'' Snorri brings in the ancient king Halfdan the Old who is the father of nine sons whose names are all words meaning 'king' or 'lord' in Old Norse language and nine other sons who are the forefathers of various royal lineages, including "Yngvi, from whom the Ynglings are descended". But rather oddly Snorri immediately follows this with information on what should be four other personages who were not sons of Halfdan but who also fathered dynasties and names the first of these as "Yngvi, from whom the Ynglings are descended". In the related account in the ''Ættartolur'' ('Genealogies') attached to ''Hversu Noregr byggdist'', the name ''Skelfir'' appears instead of ''Yngvi'' in the list of Halfdan's sons. For more details see Scylfing
(The Yngling Saga section of Snorri Sturluson's ''Heimskringla'' also introduces a second Yngvi son of Alrek who is a descendant of Yngvi-Frey and who shared the Swedish kingship with his brother Álf. See Yngvi and Alf)
Jacob Grimm in his ''Teutonic Mythology'' and many others have considered it likely that Yngvi was originally identical to Ing/Ingo/Ingui, the legendary eponymous ancestor of the Ingvaeones. The element ''Ing-'' in Old English names is usually considered to be related. The Old English Runic Poem contains these obscure lines: :''Ing wæs ærest mid Eástdenum''
:''gesewen secgum, oð he síððan eást''
:''ofer wæg gewát. wæn æfter ran.''
:''þus Heardingas þone hæle nemdon.'' :Ing was first amidst the East Danes
:so seen, until he went eastward
:over the sea. His wagon ran after.
:Thus the Heardings named that hero. Mythological kings of Sweden Norse mythology Runes
I'm having trouble comprehending the etymological section of this article. There seems to be some disagreement going on about the etymological connections. In the current edit, the Ingaevones are considered to be connected to Yngvi, and then to the Angles. In a previous version of this document I found this apparently opposite theory, however: ''The name Yngvi cannot be etymologically connected to either ''Angles'' or ''Angvin'' (this last from Latin ''Andegavinus'', an inhabitant of ''Andegavia'', modern ''Anjou''). Of course Angles, along with Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians and those who became the Dutch are classified linguistically as Ingaevonic.'' I'm not sure I understand this. In an even earlier version it says this: ''Also considered likely is a connection to the Ingaevones mentioned by Tacitus as one of the three primitive Germanic tribes descended from Mannus (the first man) son of Tuisto, being the peoples closest to the sea. In Nennius we find Mannus corrupted to Alanus and Ingio/Inguio ? his son to Neugio. Here the three sons of Neugio are Vandalus (ancestor of the Vandals, Saxo (father of the Saxons) and Boganus (ancestor of the Bogari).'' But much of this previous version seems to have disappeared. It appears a number of competing theories are in play here. Can someone summarize them both in the article? User:Martijn faassen 23:05, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) Martijn, just because somebody can't see the forest for the trees, doesn't mean you should join them. They obviously weren't corroborating anything between the words Angles of the Ingvaeones and Yngvi into anything sensible, but postulating junk etymology. How long will it take before you use your own mind and see for yourself whether something makes sense or not? That "corrupting" of names is complete rubbish! that is no way to present an etymology!!! Mannus corrupted to Ingio? Utter tripe! All linguists know that is impossible! The author has no etymology experience, and is assuming relationships between the names on an etymo;ogical level when it is only perhaps broadly cultural agreements between them. Man and ing are two words in Germanic "mann-ing", "manning". They cannot be the same!!! User:Kenneth Alan 02:47, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) :I got confused reading the current version, and I would prefer a clearer description of each theory involved. No matter if one theory is wrong, as long as it is a current theory with some acceptance by a number of experts in the field I'd like to see it in the article. This way I can draw my own conclusions, or conclude that we just don't know yet. :Please don't remove a theory that conflicts with the one you want to add. Just add the theory you want to add, NPOV the previous one if necessary, and perhaps add a NPOV discussion of the differences. If it turns out the original theory was really one that is actually unsupported, it can always be removed later when a consensus has been reached. User:Martijn faassen 12:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) Perhaps it would be better to include the older, outdated/inaccurate material in a presentation here. The Talk page would allow anybody to readily see it for debate to a perhaps restoration in the article. A lot of that older theoretical stuff was written by Latin culturists who had little knowledge of what they were talking about, nonetheless, they wrote it anyways, hoping to fool other Romans into believing they knew all about it. This is attested to in every contemporary source regarding the "Barbarian" and "Viking" peoples of "Germania". Martijn, why suffer an article to have inaccurate beliefs postulated several centuries ago simply because it was an early study? That's like keeping parts of a rough draft of notes based upon hearsay to include in an essay. How will Wikipedia benefit? Do we always need to include ignorant comments by that elitest group of intellectuals, which haven't changed to reflect newer or more indepth info for the millenia it has been circulated? - - :I can understand a comment reviewing their beliefs into the nature of the tribes, but putting it up as the bulk of the article or it's main focus cheapens the quality of study. My statements here mirror your comments in agreement, and have provided the sense you refer to justify. It is already general consensus by current authors of a wide range that those descriptions are obsolete, however, not all have agreed, as some simply don't research as well as the others and continue to spew the same unsupported nonsense but don't comment on the matter either, so it is an analytical comment to deem them ignorant of the matter. I tend to trust sources that aren't simply made for youths and children's TV specials. Besides, the person tried to revert my contributions of which he/she was unaware my intent. I stated that pronouncing Ingvaeones is similar to pronouncing Angevins but he/she flipped out on me because he/she assumed I equated the two. Also, the Dutch aren't Ingvaeones, but they were Batavians, a different group linguistically and occultically. The Low German tongue(plattdeutsch) is more Ingvaeonic(Anglo-Friesian) as it is a Low German tongue akin to Saxon, not partaking in the last sound shift undertaken by High German, etc. Middle German is where Dutch derives from. User:Kenneth Alan 13:51, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) Dutch is often classed as part of the Ingvaeonic group of languages by some as so appears in the Wikipedia entry Ingvaeones, not by my doing. It is also sometimes not so classed. Linguists differ and I don't feel I can judge in that matter. This is part of the reaons I've moved all the Ing and Ingvaeonic material to the Ingvaeones entry. I think this helps clear some of the confusion Martijn mentioned. The different information about Yngvi the ancestor of the Ynglings in different sources is bad enough without putting information about the supposed ancestor of the Ingvaeones in the same article, even though they probably originally derive from the same mythical figure. As to Angevins, what point to mention that Ingvaeones is pronounced like Angevins when it probably wasn't especially, at least not any more than the spellings indicate? What purpose does such a note serve when the names are unrelated? In any case, Angles are not "normally" identified with Ynglings or Ingvaeones per se. Angles are just one of the peoples classified as Ingvaeones, and not especially so classified, not so classified any more than are Jutes or Frisians or Saxons. And I never said Mannus was corrupted into Neugio. Nennius states (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nennius-full.html): :The first man that dwelt in Europe was Alanus, with his three sons, Hisicion, Armenon, and Neugio. This is obviously a tradition corrupted from Tacitus or parallel to it. Tacitus wrote: :In their old ballads (which amongst them are the only sort of registers and history) they celebrate Tuisto, a God sprung from the earth, and Mannus his son, as the fathers and founders of the nation. To Mannus they assign three sons, after whose names so many people are called; the Ingaevones, dwelling next the ocean; the Herminones, in the middle country; and all the rest, Istaevones. The obvious connection has long been known and recognized. See Jacob Grimm on the legendary Istaevonic or, as he prefers, Iscaevonic ancestor at http://www.northvegr.org/lore/grimmst/015_04.php#top18 : :But what seem irrefragable proofs are the Escio and Hisicion (18) of Nennius, in a tradition of the Mid. Ages not adopted from Tacitus, and the Isiocon (19) in a Gaelic poem of the 11th century (see Suppl.). User:jallan 19:00, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC) Yngvi is a louse!
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Yngvi, Ingui or Ing appears to have been the older name for the god Freyr, which meant "lord". In Scandinavian mythology, Yngvi, alternatively Yngve, was the progenitor of the Yngling (lineage), a legendary dynasty of Sweden kings from whom the earliest historical Norway kings in turn claimed to be descended, see also Freyr. Information on Yngvi varies in different traditions as follows:
* Yngvi is a name of the god Freyr, perhaps intended as Frey's true name while Frey 'Lord' is his common title. In the ''Ynglinga saga'' and in ''Gesta Danorum'', Frey is euhemerized as a king of Sweden. In the ''Ynglinga saga'', Yngvi-Frey reigned in succession to his father Njörd who in turn succeeded Odin. Yngvi-Frey's descendants were the Ynglings.
* In the Islendíngabók ''Yngvi Tyrkja konungr'' 'Yngvi king of Turkey' appears as father of Njörd who in turn is the father of Yngvi-Frey, the ancestor of the Ynglings.
* In the introduction to Snorri Sturluson's ''Edda'' Snorri claims again that Odin reigned in Sweden and relates: "Odin had with him one of his sons called Yngvi, who was king in Sweden after him; and those houses come from him that are named Ynglings." Snorri here does not identify Yngvi and Frey though Frey occasionally appears elsewhere as son of a Odin instead of a son of Njörd. See Sons of Odin.
* In the ''Skáldskaparmál'' section of Snorri Sturluson's ''Edda'' Snorri brings in the ancient king Halfdan the Old who is the father of nine sons whose names are all words meaning 'king' or 'lord' in Old Norse language and nine other sons who are the forefathers of various royal lineages, including "Yngvi, from whom the Ynglings are descended". But rather oddly Snorri immediately follows this with information on what should be four other personages who were not sons of Halfdan but who also fathered dynasties and names the first of these as "Yngvi, from whom the Ynglings are descended". In the related account in the ''Ættartolur'' ('Genealogies') attached to ''Hversu Noregr byggdist'', the name ''Skelfir'' appears instead of ''Yngvi'' in the list of Halfdan's sons. For more details see Scylfing
(The Yngling Saga section of Snorri Sturluson's ''Heimskringla'' also introduces a second Yngvi son of Alrek who is a descendant of Yngvi-Frey and who shared the Swedish kingship with his brother Álf. See Yngvi and Alf)
Jacob Grimm in his ''Teutonic Mythology'' and many others have considered it likely that Yngvi was originally identical to Ing/Ingo/Ingui, the legendary eponymous ancestor of the Ingvaeones. The element ''Ing-'' in Old English names is usually considered to be related. The Old English Runic Poem contains these obscure lines: :''Ing wæs ærest mid Eástdenum''
:''gesewen secgum, oð he síððan eást''
:''ofer wæg gewát. wæn æfter ran.''
:''þus Heardingas þone hæle nemdon.'' :Ing was first amidst the East Danes
:so seen, until he went eastward
:over the sea. His wagon ran after.
:Thus the Heardings named that hero. Mythological kings of Sweden Norse mythology Runes
Yngvi
I'm having trouble comprehending the etymological section of this article. There seems to be some disagreement going on about the etymological connections. In the current edit, the Ingaevones are considered to be connected to Yngvi, and then to the Angles. In a previous version of this document I found this apparently opposite theory, however: ''The name Yngvi cannot be etymologically connected to either ''Angles'' or ''Angvin'' (this last from Latin ''Andegavinus'', an inhabitant of ''Andegavia'', modern ''Anjou''). Of course Angles, along with Saxons, Jutes, and Frisians and those who became the Dutch are classified linguistically as Ingaevonic.'' I'm not sure I understand this. In an even earlier version it says this: ''Also considered likely is a connection to the Ingaevones mentioned by Tacitus as one of the three primitive Germanic tribes descended from Mannus (the first man) son of Tuisto, being the peoples closest to the sea. In Nennius we find Mannus corrupted to Alanus and Ingio/Inguio ? his son to Neugio. Here the three sons of Neugio are Vandalus (ancestor of the Vandals, Saxo (father of the Saxons) and Boganus (ancestor of the Bogari).'' But much of this previous version seems to have disappeared. It appears a number of competing theories are in play here. Can someone summarize them both in the article? User:Martijn faassen 23:05, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) Martijn, just because somebody can't see the forest for the trees, doesn't mean you should join them. They obviously weren't corroborating anything between the words Angles of the Ingvaeones and Yngvi into anything sensible, but postulating junk etymology. How long will it take before you use your own mind and see for yourself whether something makes sense or not? That "corrupting" of names is complete rubbish! that is no way to present an etymology!!! Mannus corrupted to Ingio? Utter tripe! All linguists know that is impossible! The author has no etymology experience, and is assuming relationships between the names on an etymo;ogical level when it is only perhaps broadly cultural agreements between them. Man and ing are two words in Germanic "mann-ing", "manning". They cannot be the same!!! User:Kenneth Alan 02:47, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) :I got confused reading the current version, and I would prefer a clearer description of each theory involved. No matter if one theory is wrong, as long as it is a current theory with some acceptance by a number of experts in the field I'd like to see it in the article. This way I can draw my own conclusions, or conclude that we just don't know yet. :Please don't remove a theory that conflicts with the one you want to add. Just add the theory you want to add, NPOV the previous one if necessary, and perhaps add a NPOV discussion of the differences. If it turns out the original theory was really one that is actually unsupported, it can always be removed later when a consensus has been reached. User:Martijn faassen 12:37, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) Perhaps it would be better to include the older, outdated/inaccurate material in a presentation here. The Talk page would allow anybody to readily see it for debate to a perhaps restoration in the article. A lot of that older theoretical stuff was written by Latin culturists who had little knowledge of what they were talking about, nonetheless, they wrote it anyways, hoping to fool other Romans into believing they knew all about it. This is attested to in every contemporary source regarding the "Barbarian" and "Viking" peoples of "Germania". Martijn, why suffer an article to have inaccurate beliefs postulated several centuries ago simply because it was an early study? That's like keeping parts of a rough draft of notes based upon hearsay to include in an essay. How will Wikipedia benefit? Do we always need to include ignorant comments by that elitest group of intellectuals, which haven't changed to reflect newer or more indepth info for the millenia it has been circulated? - - :I can understand a comment reviewing their beliefs into the nature of the tribes, but putting it up as the bulk of the article or it's main focus cheapens the quality of study. My statements here mirror your comments in agreement, and have provided the sense you refer to justify. It is already general consensus by current authors of a wide range that those descriptions are obsolete, however, not all have agreed, as some simply don't research as well as the others and continue to spew the same unsupported nonsense but don't comment on the matter either, so it is an analytical comment to deem them ignorant of the matter. I tend to trust sources that aren't simply made for youths and children's TV specials. Besides, the person tried to revert my contributions of which he/she was unaware my intent. I stated that pronouncing Ingvaeones is similar to pronouncing Angevins but he/she flipped out on me because he/she assumed I equated the two. Also, the Dutch aren't Ingvaeones, but they were Batavians, a different group linguistically and occultically. The Low German tongue(plattdeutsch) is more Ingvaeonic(Anglo-Friesian) as it is a Low German tongue akin to Saxon, not partaking in the last sound shift undertaken by High German, etc. Middle German is where Dutch derives from. User:Kenneth Alan 13:51, 8 Apr 2004 (UTC) Dutch is often classed as part of the Ingvaeonic group of languages by some as so appears in the Wikipedia entry Ingvaeones, not by my doing. It is also sometimes not so classed. Linguists differ and I don't feel I can judge in that matter. This is part of the reaons I've moved all the Ing and Ingvaeonic material to the Ingvaeones entry. I think this helps clear some of the confusion Martijn mentioned. The different information about Yngvi the ancestor of the Ynglings in different sources is bad enough without putting information about the supposed ancestor of the Ingvaeones in the same article, even though they probably originally derive from the same mythical figure. As to Angevins, what point to mention that Ingvaeones is pronounced like Angevins when it probably wasn't especially, at least not any more than the spellings indicate? What purpose does such a note serve when the names are unrelated? In any case, Angles are not "normally" identified with Ynglings or Ingvaeones per se. Angles are just one of the peoples classified as Ingvaeones, and not especially so classified, not so classified any more than are Jutes or Frisians or Saxons. And I never said Mannus was corrupted into Neugio. Nennius states (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nennius-full.html): :The first man that dwelt in Europe was Alanus, with his three sons, Hisicion, Armenon, and Neugio. This is obviously a tradition corrupted from Tacitus or parallel to it. Tacitus wrote: :In their old ballads (which amongst them are the only sort of registers and history) they celebrate Tuisto, a God sprung from the earth, and Mannus his son, as the fathers and founders of the nation. To Mannus they assign three sons, after whose names so many people are called; the Ingaevones, dwelling next the ocean; the Herminones, in the middle country; and all the rest, Istaevones. The obvious connection has long been known and recognized. See Jacob Grimm on the legendary Istaevonic or, as he prefers, Iscaevonic ancestor at http://www.northvegr.org/lore/grimmst/015_04.php#top18 : :But what seem irrefragable proofs are the Escio and Hisicion (18) of Nennius, in a tradition of the Mid. Ages not adopted from Tacitus, and the Isiocon (19) in a Gaelic poem of the 11th century (see Suppl.). User:jallan 19:00, 10 Apr 2004 (UTC) Yngvi is a louse!
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Words begining with Yngvi:
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