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The Wright brothers, Orville Wright (August 19, 1871 - January 30, 1948) and Wilbur Wright (April 16, 1867 - May 30, 1912), are generally credited with the design and construction of the first practical aeroplane, and making the first controllable, powered heavier-than-air flight along with many other aviation milestones. However, their accomplishments have been subject to many first flying machine by some people and nations at their start, and through to the present day. ==Early career and research== Wilbur Wright was born in Millville, Indiana, Indiana in 1867, Orville in Dayton, Ohio, Ohio in 1871. Both received high school educations but no diplomas. The Wright brothers grew up in Dayton, Ohio, where they opened a bicycle repair, design and manufacturing company (the Wright Cycle Company) in 1892. They used the occupation to fund their growing interest in flight. Drawing on the work of Sir George Cayley, Octave Chanute, Otto Lilienthal and Samuel Pierpont Langley, they began their mechanical aeronautical experimentation in 1899. The brothers extended the technology of flight by emphasizing control of the aircraft (instead of increased power) for taking off into the air. They developed three-axis control and established principles of control still used today. The Wrights had researched and initially relied upon the aeronautical literature of the day, including Lilienthal's tables; but finding that the Smeaton Coefficient (a variable in the formula for lift and the formula for drag) was wrong, had a wind tunnel built by their employee, Charlie Taylor, and tested over two hundred different wing shapes in it, eventually devising their own tables relating air pressure to wing shape. Their work and projects with bicycles, gears, bicycle motors, and balance (while riding a bicycle), were critical to their success in creating the mechanical airplane. During their research, the Wrights always worked together, and their contributions to the aeroplane's development are inseparable. ==Flights== The Wright Brothers were noted for placing the emphasis of their aviation research on navigational control rather than simply lift and propulsion which would make sustained flight practical. To that end, they first made gliders (beginning in 1899), using an intricate system called “wing warping.” If one wing bent one way, it would receive more lift, which would make the plane lift. If they could control how the gliders' wings warped, then it would make flying much easier. To allow warping in the first gliders, they had to keep the front and rear posts that hold up the glider unbraced. The warping was then controlled by wire running through the wings, which led to sticks the flyer held, and he could pull one or the other to make it turn left or right. In 1900 they went to Kitty Hawk, North Carolina, North Carolina to continue their aeronautical work, choosing Kitty Hawk (specifically a sand dune called Kill Devil Hill) on the advice of a National Weather Service meterologist because of its strong and steady winds and because its remote location afforded the brothers privacy from prying eyes in the highly competitive race to invent a successful heavier-than-air flying machine. They experimented with gliders at Kitty Hawk from 1900 through 1902, each year constructing a new glider. Their last glider applied many important innovations in flight, and the brothers made over a thousand flights with it. On March 23, 1903 they applied for a patent (granted as U.S. patent number 821,393, "Flying-Machine", on May 23, 1906) for the novel technique of controlling lateral movement and turning by "wing warping". By 1903, the Wright Brothers were perhaps the most skilled glider pilots in the world. In 1903, they built the Wright Flyer -- later the ''Flyer I'' (today popularly known as the ''Kitty Hawk''), carved propellers and had an engine built by Taylor in their bicycle shop in Dayton, Ohio, Ohio. The propellers had an 80% efficiency rate. The engine was superior to manufactured ones, having a low enough weight-to-power ratio to use on an aeroplane*. Then on December 17, 1903, the Wrights took to the air, both of them twice. The first flight, by Orville, of 39 meters (120 feet) in 12 seconds, was recorded in a famous photograph. In the fourth flight of the same day, the only flight made that day which was actually controlled, Wilbur Wright flew 279 meters (852 ft) in 59 seconds. [http://www.thewrightbrothers.org/fivefirstflights.html]. The flights were witnessed by 4 lifesavers and a boy from the village, making it arguably the first public flight. A local newspaper reported the event, inaccurately. Only one other newspaper, the Cincinnati Enquirer, printed the story the next day. The ''Flyer I'' cost less than a thousand dollars to construct. It had a wingspan of 40 feet (12 m), weighed 750 pounds (340 kg), and sported a 12 horsepower (9 kW), 170 pound (77 kg) engine. The Wrights established a flying field at Huffman Prairie, near Dayton, and continued work in 1904, building the ''Flyer II'' and using a catapult take-off system to compensate for the lack of wind in this location. By the end of the year, the Wright Brothers had sustained 105 flights, some of them of 5 minutes, circling over the prairie, which is now part of Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. In 1905, they built an improved aeroplane, the ''Flyer III''. In 1904 and 1905, the Wright Brothers conducted over 105 flights from Huffman Prairie in Dayton, inviting the press and friends and neighbors. Here they completed the first aerial circle and by October 5, 1905 Wilbur set a record of over 39 minutes in the air and 24 1/2 miles, circling over Huffman Prairie. When a large contingent of journalists arrived at the field in 1904, for instance, the Wrights were experiencing mechanical difficulties, and were unable to correct them within two days. As a result, the first local report of the flights appeared in a beekeeping magazine. The news was not widely known outside of Ohio, and was often met with skepticism. The Paris, France edition of the ''International Herald Tribune'' headlined a 1906 article on the Wrights "FLYERS OR LIARS?" The brothers became world famous in 1908 and 1909 when, weary of continuing doubt, they took their aeroplane on tour. Wilbur toured Europe demonstrating their aeroplane and organising a company to market it, while Orville demonstrated the flyer to the United States Army at Fort Myer, Virginia. On May 14, 1908 the Wright Brothers made the first two-person aircraft flight with Charlie Furnas as a passenger. Thomas Selfridge became the first person killed in a powered airplane on September 17, 1908 when a propeller failure caused the crash of the passenger-carrying plane Orville was piloting during military tests at Fort Myer in Virginia. Orville broke a leg and two ribs. (This was the only serious accident the Wrights suffered.) In late 1908, Madame Hart O. Berg became the first woman to fly when she flew with Wilbur Wright in Le Mans, France. The Wright Brothers brought great attention to flying by Wilbur's Wright Brothers flights of 1909 around the Statue of Liberty in New York in 1909. Also in 1909, the Wrights won the first US military aviation contract when they built a machine that met the requirements of a two-seater, capable of flights of an hour's duration, at an average of 40 miles per hour (64 km/h) and land undamaged. $30,000 of the federal budget was reserved for military aviation. That year the Wrights were also building Wright Flyers in factories in Dayton and in Germany. On October 25, 1910, the Wright Brothers were engaged by Max Moorehouse of Columbus, Ohio to undertake the first commercial air cargo shipment. Moorehouse, owner of Moorehouse-Marten's Department store in Columbus asked if the Wright Brother's could carry a shipment of silk ribbon from a wholesaler in Dayton to Columbus. The Wright brothers agreed to the proposal, adding that their pilot and airplane would put on an exhibition once the cargo was delivered to the Driving Park landing area on the east side of Columbus. Moorehouse, in turn, agreed to pay the Wright's $5,000 for the service, which was more an exercise in advertising than a simple delivery. The actual flight occurred on November 7, 1910, with the Model "B" Wright Flyer piloted by Phil Parmalee. The sixty-two mile flight took 62 minutes, with Parmalee overtaking the "Big-Four" express train in London, Ohio. In addition to carrying the first air-freight, Parmalee's speed of 60 miles an hour set a world's record for in flight speed. For the return trip, however, the Wright Flyer was loaded on a train the night of the world record flight, and Paramalee returned to Dayton on the same Big Four Express train that he overtook in the air the day before. The Wrights took over 300 photographs of flights and many other events of those pioneer days of aviation. The Wrights were involved in several patent battles, which they won in 1914. Wilbur died from typhoid fever in 1912, an event Orville never completely recovered from. Orville sold his interests in the airplane company in 1915 and died thirty-three years later from a myocardial infarction while fixing the doorbell to his home in Oakwood, Montgomery County, Ohio. Neither brother married. The ''Flyer I'' is now on display in the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, D.C.. *One neat and interesting fact about the motor is that the chain used was a bicycle chain, not surprisingly. ==Earlier and later flying craft== There are many claims of earlier flights made by other flying machines in various categories and qualifications. See First flying machine. Lighter than air balloons, dirigibles, airships had been taking people into the sky for much of the 18th century before the Wrights, and several people had been working on heavier than air flying machines as well. Numerous claims before the Wrights aspire to the title of being the first powered, controlled, and self-sustaining flight (or minor variations of this classification). Several claims are actually after the Wrights, and lay claim by discounting the Wrights attempt either on the basis of its authenticity (that it's valid enough) on some technical basis of the flyer in relation to the technical details to the title, or sometimes both. (Note that claims earlier than the Wrights are often criticized on similar grounds.) The flights that took place have what is usually considered to be reasonable proof, including photos and multiple eyewitnesses. However, some of the strongest claims can be considered to lie in the design qualities of the craft itself and the spread of those features to other pioneers. The ability of the Wrights to demonstrate the source of, and in many cases explain the features that they combined and developed into the first working airplane (aeroplane), along with the ability to see these same features turn up in later craft is among the most powerful evidence of what they accomplished. Many earlier attempts featured powerful powerplants or very light powerplants. Many had wing designs of some effectiveness. Many had the ability to glide (translate forwards speed into lift) and some had control mechanisms. The Wright Brothers' patented three-axis system of control, using wing warping (later supplanted by other 3-axis control systems), an effective wing design for the craft's weight, a light enough motor with power to maintain steady flight, an effective system to turn the engine power into thrust (the propeller), and some other features allowed it to be significantly better than any previous manned flying machine. The careful balance between all these areas are seen in any craft capable of sustained flight, and they first happened in the flyer. Still, controversy in the credit for invention of the airplane has been fuelled by the Wrights' secrecy while their patent was prepared, by the pride of nations, by the number of firsts made possible by the basic invention, and other assorted issues. Flight issues about whether crafts have been aided by ground effect for their flights, if it has been verified that a craft rose above a height where it could take advantage of even some ground effect can be a source of debate as many counter-claims also did not fly very high. Another source of attack is that some of the recreations of the Wright ''Flyer'' do not fly. The reasons for failures of recreations usually stem from an inability to know exactly the Wrights' design and to duplicate the conditions of the flight. Things that even the Wrights do not know about the ''Flyer I'' that enabled it to fly are lost to history, such as things like the octane of the fuels used, and the small details of aerodynamics that can have disproportionate effect on the ability of planes to fly. The Wrights' initial troubles with their own recreation, the ''Flyer II'', makes the matter even harder. Regardless, some recreations do fly, and the ''Flyer II'''s impressive performance and flights largely vindicate the design. After their Kitty Hawk flights, which used a rail but no mechanical assistance in windy conditions, the Wrights developed a weight-powered catapult in Ohio to aid initial acceleration. This method of launching has been the source of controversy for some attacks on the Wrights' claim. Some consider that a plane incapable of taking off using its own power could not be a true aircraft, but choosing a non-standard definition does not necessarily exclude the Wrights. Just as many aircraft do not have enough power to take off in certain conditions, the ''Flyer'''s trouble with achieving its take off speed on land is not a real issue. The ''Flyer'' did manage to get off the ground under its own power in some instances, and its powered and controlled flights after it was aided in achieving its take-off speed by the catapult largely redeem it. Furthermore, if an aircraft does not have enough peak power to overcome the extra drag from being in contact with the ground, some other means must be found to overcome it. This is done in a number of ways. In modern aircraft a landing gear and long runways enable them to build up to take-off speed. This important advancement would have to wait till Alberto Santos-Dumont and the flight of the 14-Bis to be implemented in aircraft. This machine used the Wright's essential developments. Catapults do remain in use on aircraft carriers where planes cannot build enough speed to take off, and these still make use of landing gear. Most counter-claims to having the 'first plane' often have some truth to them. Many heavier-than-air aircraft became airborne before the Wrights but lacked control. Endlessly more advanced machines came after. But the Wright ''Flyer'' stands out as the first practical flying machine (airplane/aeroplane) with a combination of features not used before but included in all that came later to this day (effective wings, 3-axis control, an effective system to generate power and turn into thrust, and an effective takeoff system). ==The Smithsonian issue== In the early 1900s professor Samuel P. Langley was secretary of the Smithsonian Institution. He had a claim to being "father of flight" as he had for many years worked on gliders and successful powered models, and his assistant C. M. Manley was actually employed by the US government to construct aircraft for military use. His full-sized planes, however, were complete failures at flight. When the Smithsonian proposed a display that would not have made this clear, Orville Wright responded by loaning the ''Flyer I'' to the London Science Museum. Orville stated it wouldn't be returned until he and his brother were acknowledged as the "Fathers of Powered Flight". The Smithsonian eventually agreed, but the ''Flyer'' remained at Kensington in London until 1948. On November 23, 1948 the executors of the estate of Orville Wright wrote a contract with the Smithsonian Institute regarding the display of the aircraft, stating that "Neither the Smithsonian Institution or its successors, nor any museum or other agency, bureau or facilities administered for the United States of America by the Smithsonian Institution or its successors shall publish or permit to be displayed a statement or label in connection with or in respect of any aircraft model or design of earlier date than the Wright Aeroplane of 1903, claiming in effect that such aircraft was capable of carrying a man under its own power in controlled flight." If this wasn't fulfilled the ''Flyer'' would be returned to the heir of the Wright brothers. ==Paul Laurence Dunbar== See Paul Laurence Dunbar for the Wrights' contributions to the career of the distinguished African American poet. ==Effect on Dayton== See Dayton for city history. The Wrights contributions to the city of Dayton were and remain immeasurable. From their use of local materials, when Requarth Lumber Company wood was used to construct the ''Flyer I'' and other airplanes, to the encouragement of local arts and sciences, as with Dunbar, to their financial and political contribution as with the massive Air Force base and museum, the Wright Brothers changed the city's history. ==Ohio/North Carolina Dispute== The states of Ohio and North Carolina both take credit for the Wright Brothers and their world-changing invention - Ohio because the brothers developed and built their design in Dayton, and North Carolina because Kitty Hawk was the site of the first flight. With a spirit of friendly rivalry, Ohio has adopted the informal slogan "Birthplace of Aviation" (later "Birthplace of Aviation Pioneers", with a tip of the hat to not only the Wrights, but also John Glenn and Neil Armstrong, both Ohio natives.) North Carolina has also adopted the slogan "First In Flight" and includes the theme on state license plates. As the positions of both states can be factually defended, and neither state plays an insignificant role in the history of flight, neither state truly has a complete claim to the Wrights' accomplishment. It was in Ohio, however, where the Wright Brothers' many inventions were made and where the 1903 Wright Flyer was manufactured prior to its partial disassembly and shipment to North Carolina. ==Media== ==See also== *First flying machine *List of years in aviation *Accidents and incidents in aviation *Aviation history *List of early flying machines ==External links== *[http://www.outerbanks.com/wrightbrothers/wrightlc.htm Kitty Hawk - Kill Devil Hills Wright Brothers Photographs 1900-1911 - Library of Congress] *[http://www.idsia.ch/~juergen/planetruth.html Plane truth: list of greatest technical breakthroughs in manned flight] *[http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/moviesandphotos/index.html Video clips about the invention of the airplane] *[http://www.thefirsttofly.hpg.ig.com.br/pioneer2.htm About Santos Dumont first flight in Paris, with the "14-bis" ] *[http://www.flyingmachines.org/ The Pioneer Aviation Group web site] contains many pictures of early flying machines and a comprehensive chronology of flight attempts. *[http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/i/Wrights/WrightUSPatent/WrightPatent.html HTML version of the Wright brothers' original patent.] *[http://www.wam.umd.edu/~stwright/WrBr/taleplane.html Analysis of Wright Brother work] *[http://www.first-to-fly.com/ First to Fly .com] *[http://www.centennialofflight.gov/ U.S. Centennial of Flight] 2003 celebration of the 100th anniversary of the first flight *[http://www.rtptv.homestead.com/rtpwrightbrothers.html AeroSpace Show - RTP-TV] 2003 Video Tour of Wright Brothers Monument at Kill Devil Hills *[http://www.immediart.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=46_52&products_id=178 New Scientist Magazine] Scientific Firsts: Print of Wright Flyer in France 1907 *[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wright/ PBS Nova: The Wright Brothers' Flying Machines] Patents * US[http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=821393.WKU.&OS=PN/821393&RS=PN/821393 821393] -- ''Flying machine'' -- O. & W. 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What about Santos Dumont? You are misleading people. The Wright Brothers are not generally accepted for design and construction of a "workable" aircraft. Please add "Generally accepted by the North Americans". You must correct this article if you would like have credit as a sound resource of good information in Brazil. Selected on Template:December 17 selected anniversaries ------ Aviation historian desparately needed. This article says more about some other guy than it does about the people who invented the airplane. User:Ortolan88 * Agree. I propose that the bulk of the non-Wright brothers material be moved to a different page. How about "Aviation Pioneers"? (Which needs to mention Samuel Langley as well...) User:Infrogmation 23:32 Oct 26, 2002 (UTC) * Disagree. Note that mentioning the Wright Brothers as the Inventors of the airplane is not neutral to the worldwide community, as in some countries this is credited to other persons. I Agree that if the page is about the W.B., the comments about anything else should be short. So a paragraph or two about the controvery would be enough and necessary. I think I have just made the situation worse, with the George Cayley stuff. The article now says a great deal about what they didn't do, but nothing at all about what they ''did'' do! It does have to be pointed out, however, that contrary to popular belief the Wrights did ''not'' invent the airplane. Nevertheless, they were brilliant men who deserve a decent biography and a thorough explanation of their invaluable contributions to aeronautics. I may give it a shot when I find time, but that won't be soon, I'm afraid. User:GrahamN 00:40 Oct 7, 2002 (UTC) The Wright Brothers page was very misleading with respect to several facts: 1. The Wrights and other aviation enthusiasts of the time were fully aware of Cayley's accomplishment. Cayley's craft was not a practical airplane; the Wright brothers' was. 2. The Cayley craft was a glider. Presumably his coachman also landed at a lower point than where he took off. 3. The Wrights craft was self-propelled. The so-called "catapult" system for the 1903 flight was simply a rail on which the airplane rode on two bicycle hubs. In September 1904 the Wrights added a catapult weight system at Huffman prairie to make up for extremely light winds. Please read "The Bishop's Boys" by Tom Crouch before repeating other claims of beating the Wright brothers here. They were extraordinary engineers with extraordinary accomplishments in the development of the modern airplane. :Yes! Please put this in the article! We all agree it is very poor as it stands. User:Ortolan88 I did it. Thanks for the encouragement! Less than half of the "Wright brothers" article is actually about the Wright Brothers. Again, I suggest that the bulk of this be moved to a new page (which of course the Wright article would link to). Unless someone else comes with a better suggestion, I'll make a new page "Aviation pioneers". (I think a title like "First heavier than air manned flight" would be a bit long?) -- User:Infrogmation 20:51 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC) : Yes, Infrogmation, please do it. User:Tannin 22:25 Feb 17, 2003 (UTC) :: Well, I see you already beat me to it. Thanks! -- User:Infrogmation 23:33 Feb 27, 2003 (UTC) ------ The picture is fine on my Mac running Mozilla. User:TUF-KAT If text immediately follows a
tag, it appears as indented on the page. There needs to be a blank line between the end of the tag and the text. User:RickK 01:07 7 Jul 2003 (UTC) ---- Point 1: This business of trying to pretend that the Wright Brothers are not generally regarded as the first people to fly a powered aeroplane really needs to stop. Yes, there are a host of other claimants, however not one of them has anything like the claim on the honour that the Wright Brothers have. This is a fact of life: deal with it. Wikipedia is not the place to trot out ill-documented fantasies and weirdo theories which are mostly, when all is said and done, a desperate sop to national pride. The fact is that it was those upstart Americans who did it first (or, at the very least, are generally credited with doing it first - which is all that we as encyclopedia editors with a commitment to a NPOV can report) may well be galling to some contributors, but that is not relevat to this entry. Lord knows, I am usually the last to say anything nice about Americans, but in this particular case, one must be bound by the facts at hand. Point 2: The convention here is that terms used in an entry to begin with are not usually replaced by terms from the "other" English. "Airplane" (the US English term) came first, and unlovely though it is, it should not ordinarily be replaced by "aeroplane" - the International English term - particularly so as the Wright Brothers themselves were American. In this particular instance, however, the correct term ''is'' "aeroplane": this is the term the Wright Brothers themselves used, as did all other Americans until well after Wilbur was dead and Orville had retired. A minor point, no doubt, but we ought to be able to get this stuff right. User:Tannin 13:21, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) :: You are trying to force your believes and telling to everyone to stop to tell their believes... That is awful! You have said: "''ill-documented fantasies and weirdo theories which are mostly, when all is said and done, a desperate sop to national pride''". So, claiming the W.B. as the inventors of the airplane isn't the same in name of the Americans pride? Why this claim should prevail to others? Saying what you have said seems that your version is an ''universal truth'' and everything else is nonsense. You must respect the other countries believes. : We are not talking "often" or "sometimes" here, We are talking "almost always" - and let's be very clear on the point, I am not an American. In the world at large (i.e., outside of the two or three places that think they were "robbed" of the "title") there really isn't any serious debate on this question. User:Tannin ---- Hello, why do you write "..are generally credited with the invention of the aeroplane" if you finally admit that " the first (flight) was Clement Ader" (40 yards flight in 1890..) who is the inventor ?! finaly, the fact it was a secret(*) does change something or not ?... your idea about that. (*) as read in Clement Ader's page. It does not change that fact that these engineers make so import work for planes... :But on the Ader page it said that he is not credited with first flight because all of his "flights" ended in crashes. On secrecy: It doesn't help any that he's among the dozens of other names on the list of "made a first flight years before the Wrights yet hardly repeated their feats for anyone". --User:Mrwojo 17:30, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) ::The fact there are dozens of other who claims for that should invalidate everything ? strange.. ::But ok, I don't know, I just read this article, it started like they were invent planes.. and finaly it's not sure. I just wanted to show you this inconsistancy, I'm not an expert. obfuscations are not clever and not recommanded in encyclopdia. If it impossible to establish who invent planes, just say it. whatever they will be consider as inventor for most of people (mass) we don't need to relay non-reliable information. (if it is) ::your advice ? /fab/ ::: On the "dozens of other claims": It ''could'' weaken the claims by those who were not widely recognized (i.e., they said of, but did not reproduce their feats), but the Wright brothers have been widely recognized for their achievement as the article says. I agree that there are consistency problems with this article. Some people disagree with the credit given to the Wright brothers and change the article to the discredit of the Wrights. The inconsistency is the result of compromises made. --User:Mrwojo :::: Did I change this article ? no. did I said I want to put discredit on Wrights Bros. ? no. I just says the way it's write looks strange (I'm not an expert on plane). There are claims, ok, many cannot be received as they could not reproduce it. and ?... I don't suggest to change this article into a "what they didn't do" article. it look very puerile to says "I don't listen to you because so much people made vandalism about it, or because there are so many claim we cannot be sure.. and as my teacher learn me at my school, they did it, not the others !". I think we must be over the national pride. If every one agrees we cannot establish who is the inventor, we should just write in this way. And about this article ? it will be like other great pionneer. I don't suggest to write : "they are not the inventor", just something like : "one of the inventor of airplane" with a link that explain, they all did importants things, and must all thanks a lot, and it's so difficult to says who really invent plane... and so on... just a suggestion.. /fab/ :::::: Quite right. This is a terrible article, and one that I'd love to rewrite comprehensively had I only the time to spare at present (which I certainly don't). (sigh) There are two major problems with iit: (a) it has hardly any content at all, (b) the content it does have is mostly about other people and the various other claims made on first flight. This other stuff clearly belongs in history of aviation or somewhere like that, or possibly in first powered flight - not in Wright brothers. :::::: Everyone ''does not'' agree that we cannot establish "the inventor". ''Very nearly'' everyone agrees that, to the extent it is possible to establish an inventor at all for something that so many people worked towards and made progress on, the Wright brothers were the ones. This is not a controversial claim. The position of the Wright brothers (and Charlie Taylor) in aviation is not in doubt. Most people also agree that plucking one particular event out of history and annointing it as "the magic moment" is a distortion. The place to discuss this, however, is in an article about the early history of flight, not in the biography of any particular poineer. User:Tannin 23:00, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC) There was a whole television program on (I think) the History Channel about the Wright's claim, and the fact that giving the original Flyer to the Smithsonian was linked to a secret agreement that they would always be given the credit for inventing the airplane/aeroplane. There were several people who "flew" at various dates and with varying levels of success. Who was "first" depends on your definition of "flew" and is fairly arbitrary. Like most inventions, it was not the work of one man (or two men) but was the result of on-going human research. See also the invention of the light bulb! To give everybody a fair shake, I think an encyclopedia should just list what they all did and when. User:Anjouli 18:41, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) :I agree with you. :I think we can write something like "one of the inventor of airplane" with a link that just explain :"as it's difficult to establish who's the inventor of plan (depending on arbitrary definition of 'flight'..and so on..)" and maybe,with a list of each idea/feature they give to make this dream possible. :it's a suggestion, don't you this it's NPOV ? /fab/ :Yes, the Wrights were standing on the shoulders of giants when the achieved what they did. The aviation history article would be the appropriate place to go in-depth on the history of aviation :-) (also, Infrogmation suggested an "aviation pioneers" page above). I really don't want to see this article regress back to "what the Wright brothers didn't do". Beyond that, I feel that Tannin's words just above this discussion are particularly important. --User:Mrwojo 01:09, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC) The article needs some clarification on a particular point about the Wright Bros patent. The patent application; Applied for in March 1903; and granted in May of 1906; was in relation to the principle of 'wing warping' - "an improvement to flying machines" . It was NOT for a flying machine in itself. Indeed if you look at the detailed drawings of the patent http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/i/Wrights/WrightUSPatent/WrightPatent.html application you will see that the diagram is of a glider and not a powered aircraft. User:Mintguy 11:08, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC) Perhaps we should stay away from the word "invention" altogether. Just state that <> built this and it did that on <> date. User:Anjouli 03:21, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC) : From the point of view of avoiding a disagreement, this is a bad idea. Facts are facts, and it is part of our task to report them accurately, particularly when (as in this case) there is no reasonable room for doubt. (Remember that we are reporting that the WBs are ''generally credited with'' the invention. We make no claim that this general belief is true or false. : ''However'', the word "invention" is (and always was) a poor choice. I haven't consulted a dictionary about this, but to me an ''invention'' is where you have an original idea and then figure out a way to build it. The ''idea'' of the aeroplane had been around for centuries; nearly all of the techniques the WBs used were also fairly common currency amongst aviation pioneers; and there were quite a lot of people in different parts of the world all working towards the same general "invention". : The unique thing about the Wrights was that their flying machine ''worked''. Not very well and not for very long, but it actually worked at all - and his was something that none of the other pioneers could boast in 1903. : User:Tannin 11:12, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC) From the article: "... they extended the technology of flight with the principles of control still used today ..." - it's a moot point whether wing-warping is equivalent to ailerons. User:Mintguy 12:41, 19 Dec 2003 (UTC) Once we have established the special position of the Wrights in aviation history, we then need to bring out the 3 key achievemets that set them apart, the three reasons ''why'' they were the first: # They saw that the issue wasn't making an aircraft ''stable'', it was making it ''controllable'' - if it is controllable enough, it doesn't matter if it is stable or not. (With regard to Mintguy's query, wing-warping is very much the same thing as ailerons: both are ways to control the aircraft by altering the aerodynamic shape of the wing. Outside of the details of engineering, they are identical. The other control methods - spoilers, vectored thrust, and so on - are very different.) # The other great reason why the Wright Flyer actually flew is that, for the first time in history, they had an engine light enough to lift that was also capable of delivering (almost!) enough power. This too was critical - and here we should remember that the Wrights did not invent and build that engine: Charlie Taylor did. His place in aviation history is second only to that of the Wrights. # Finally, the reason behind the reasons, the reason the Wrights succeeded in putting all that together and making it fly: they tried very, very hard for a very long time. They put in years of painstaking step-by-step work, spending most of their waking hours and just about everything they earned (including finding the money to hire Charlie Taylor). They were intelligent, they were organised, they were dedicated, they were practical, but most of all they just worked their arses off. User:Tannin 11:31, 20 Dec 2003 (UTC) Oh come on! The reason they are considerred to be the first are three very different reasons: # Documentation. They had their first flight photographed and they also kept a good record of what they did. # The were commercially sucessull. Early on the military became interested in the use of aircrafts for military use. # They were americans. National pride play an important part. just check how many poeple who think ENIAC was the first computer and not, for instance the Z3. There were earlier controllable flights, however they used more complicated and/or less sucsessfull methods to control the aeroplane in flight. Then there is the question if the Flyer really became controllable until they moved the height rudder to the rear. The statement on the engine is just plain wrong. There were at thet time already available several other engines designed for use in aircrafts that gave better performance/weight ratio. Thet they tried very hard there is no dubt about, but that's hardy unique. However their methods were probably better (for instance the use of a wind tunnel). // User:Liftarn hello, its write "Possible earlier flights" and "There are several claims". and when I go to this page, I don't see anything about "possible" or "doubt", they just used other techniques ?... ok, so why not to write in Wright page "Earlier other technique flight" no? ---- Well I've just read this background discussion after callously adding my Richard Pearse paragraph. I recommend two things: *Change the opening section to be more neutral-point-of-view: perhaps "generally credited in America", I know New Zealanders tend to credit Pearse ahead of the Wrights *We need that list of what other people did and when; just the main disputes, not every contribution, there's already an Aviation history page. As far as an encyclopaedia goes people are going to want to compare achievements, so even if the main discussion of other achievements goes to another article we should still list the main competition on this article. On the other hand, if my Richard Pearse paragraph doesn't offend anyone I'm happy with just that. User:Ben Arnold 02:43, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Generally credited== "Generally credited in the US" does not imply "generally credited" full stop. From my reading of the related pages there's some real dispute among experts. Perhaps the best term should be "often credited". User:Ben Arnold 04:54, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) :It's going to be a long opening paragraph if you include every country that "generally credits" the Wright brothers with being the "first to fly". In Australia I'm not aware of a popular dispute over their claim. There are more appropriate places to promote Richard Pearse. User:Gsl 06:02, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Links to others who claim to be the first"== Seems reasonable to me to link to the most common claims. The argument that other articles do this already seems weak to me. We needn't dwell on it here, providing a short list seems like a sensible thing to do. I'm sure I read some principle that duplication by summary is seen as a good thing on Wikipedia. Surely that extends as far as a few links. User:Ben Arnold 04:54, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) : Having a link to all the earlier benchmarks and claims is enough. I try and rewrite the first to be more clear in any case. User:Greyengine5 15:01, 30 Apr 2004 (UTC) == Katherine Wright == I am disappointed that there is no mention of Katherine Wright, sister of Orville and Wilbur. Her contribution was not minor, although it was not technical. She worked as a schoolteacher and kept the household functioning, allowing the unmarried brothers to concentrate on their bicycle shop and aviation experiments. When the three Wrights travelled to Europe to demonstrate their machine, she made such a positive impression on many with her grace and diplomacy that she was referred to as "the third Wright brother". None of this is to argue that she should dominate the page, but her name does not appear even once. --Cathy == Individual biograpies == I find it somewhat disappointing that the Wright brothers are only mentioned together, not individually. Their pages redirect to this page. == Ohio/North Carolina dispute == I decided to add a short section on the dispute between Ohio and North Carolina over claim to the Wrights' accomplishment. As a native of Dayton, this is a common topic of discussion (and often a source of heated opinions.) I kept a NPOV, of course. - User:Chardish 03:59, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC) == Bias complaint by 210.50.244.152 == wow to my sup rise i found a heap of we are right because we say so arguments with a heap of large words thrown in to make me sound smart and correct.if the Wright brothers had of just Acknowledge everyone else we wouldnt have this problem. Basicly they put a engine in a plane and patent it. :You're saying this article as a POV bias favoring the Wright brothers? Perhaps. Many articles on "X" are biased toward "X", since the people motivated to write or read significantly about "X" tend to be heavily "X" oriented. People should expect this. The only time we're likely to get any "X is no big deal" articles is from people who are biased ''against'' "X" because it conflicts with their bias for "Y". That kind of bias is usually less acceptable. :We have made a little progress towards comparing all the "first in flight" claims in one article; see Talk:First flying machine. Perhaps you'd like to help with that. --User:A D Monroe III 16:39, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)


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