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Hi All, If you have a comment, please [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:WormRunner&action=edit§ion=new Post a message] ==Previous messages== Hello, Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them; *Wikipedia:How to edit a page *Wikipedia:How to write a great article *Wikipedia:Naming conventions *Wikipedia:Manual of Style If you have any questions, see the Wikipedia:Help, add a question to the Wikipedia:village pump or ask me on User_talk:Angela. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedia:Wikipedians! User:Angela 03:34, Nov 3, 2003 (UTC) ==Trillium== Oh, that's a shame. I've replied to your question on how to delete it at Image talk:Trillium.jpg. It wasn't actually my picture by the way. User:Mbecker uploaded it for me so he could earn Wikipedia:Wikimoney! User:Angela 18:10, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC) Well done for finding that :Image:TrilliumErectum-thumb.jpg! Your :Image:Trillium ovatum.jpg looks great too. User:Angela 20:34, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC) Looks like mav has already reverted it (and added a "What the heck are you doing?" to the user's talk page!). You did the right thing not wanting to get in an edit war though. I'll keep an eye on it in case it happens again, but you could mention on the talk page what your concerns with the previous version were, although probably not necessary unless he comes back to it. User:Angela 20:53, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC) ==Trillium== Thanks for the reminder. I've renamed them now and listed the old ones on WP:IfD. Image deletion was recently re-enabled, so they will be able to be deleted in a week, assuming there are no objections. User:Angela 21:38, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC) Hi, thanks for the note. Just now noticed it. :) How long ago did you attend Reed (if you don't mind my asking)? User:Anakolouthon Ahh, so you know all about "Olde Reed" then? Heh. My friends and I are trying (as annoying freshmen, of course) to perpetuate an image of Nü Reed. Which basically involves not going on about "back in my day, blah blah blah." It is especially annoying to those of us who are trying to enjoy our present Reed experiences when, say, sophomores talk about Olde Reed as if it was some mystical land that will never return, and we just missed it. A lot of people seem pretty annoyed with us, too. Anyway, I only mean this to be anecdotal. Glad to "meet" another Reedie on Wikipedia. :) --User:Anakolouthon 07:28, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC) == Headings == Just so you know, =H1= headings are only for the title of pages. It is never appropriate to have them in the article itself. ==H2== is the next level down and is thus the most common. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Headline style. --User:Maveric149 08:32, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC) Hi WormRunner, nice to meet you. I agree entirely about Mountain Ash: there are, I think, three different species that share that common name, one in Australia, one in Europe, and one in the New World - and only ''one'' of the three is actually an ash! Eucalyptus regnans is much the best title for in, in my view. (Indeed, as you know, that's what I originally created it under, back before I knew about the "always use common names" rule. In this case, of course, the common name is impractical, so we are quite justified in making a disambiguation page at Mountain ash and using the botanical names instead. In fact, there is a school of thought here that ''all'' plants should be listed by botanical name, as plant common names are so chaotic and contradictory. This would require a Wikipedia policy change and a good deal of discussion to push through, but on the whole I am in sympathy with it. In the meantime, I'm using common names, but only where they are sensible and unambiguous. As an example, ''Corymbia ficifolia'', though a very common and much-loved garden plant in Oz, doesn't really have a proper common name. People sometimes call it Red Flowering Gum, but it isn't always red, ''all'' 800-odd eucalypts flower, and it isn't a gum at all, it's a bloodwood! So I made that one under the botanical name. Anyway, go right ahead and make a disambiguation page at Mountain ash, I think it's the best solution, and I doubt that anyone will oppose it. (If you are not sure how to do the page move thing, sing out.) Best -- Tony (User:Tannin 06:38, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)) == Categories == Regarding Categories (just notice the question now that you removed it :), you have to dig in [http://meta.wikipedia.org meta] for proposals, discussions, etc. For example, see: *m:Categorization *m:Categorization requirements *m:Categorization with field-value pairs *m:Field-value pairs *m:Technical categories in Wikipedia *User:Zocky/Bottom-up categorization *User:Brent Gulanowski/Categorization *Wikipedia:Category schemes and their respective talk pages. There may be other ones, but these are the ones I have come across. There is also talk on some of the [http://mail.wikipedia.org mailing lists]. User:Dori | User talk:Dori 08:59, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC) == Images for deletion == I saw your question on Angela's page. If you've not already found it, there is indeed an images for deletion page - it's Wikipedia:Images for deletion :) -- User:Finlay McWalter 19:50, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) :That's what I was going to say. :) User:Angelauser talk:Angela 23:13, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC) == It is not advertising, it is just informations == It is not advertising, it is just informations :When the intent is clearly to get a commercial web site linked, that is not "just information" in any sense that is compatible with wikipedia's goals. If you want to give "information" write a real article about the area. User:WormRunner 01:31, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC) == Just trying to help!!! lol == If i am trying to provide more info and ressources to th encyclopedia, i am then doing advertising??? anyway, i won't reput the link in aranes, though i should!! :-( ==Araucaria== Duh! missed it! Thanks for pointing it out - I had found a dead link by a slightly different name - I will run round and do the redirects. User:Seglea 07:25, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==Re: Red alder== I saw your newly created article (nicely done, by the way.. love how you worked in the actinomycete) and figured there must be a PD image or two floating around somewhere. The grove picture is somewhat more atmospheric than the usual government fare, so I went ahead and snagged it. Informative and easy on the eyes.. always the best way to go, I say. If only the Canadian government would release its images! Oh and well. :) User:Hadal 17:23, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC) == Potato vine == I see; sorry for the mixup! - User:Hephaestos 05:53, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) Very good job on it. I see from your user page it's in your specialty, I should pay closer attention. :) - User:Hephaestos 06:18, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) == Image markup == That works well! Thanks for the tip. - User:Hephaestos 17:44, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) ---- Hi WR. Actually, I didn't realise what I'd done until afterwards. I happened to glance at the page again (not having edited it since last night) and thought ''Tannin, you idiot: there is a great big typo in the middle of your shiny new wikicode taxobox''. It was only after saving the (minor) change that I paused to wonder where that particular typo had snuck in from and the reality dawned on me. Having explained that, let's ponder the idea. Currently, none of the animal taxa taxoboxes provide the author (or at least not in the areas I am familiar with, mostly the higher taxa). In fact, I don't recall seeing it around the plant pages either, though I've not spent much time there. So the tree of life "standard" is ''not'' a standard, at least not currently. I suspect it was quietly added by someone and no-one has noticed that it's there yet. ''Should'' it be a standard thing? Hmmm .... I can see arguments both ways. The "pro" is obvious, the main "cons" are (a) layout considerations in the already cramped taxoboxes, and (b) readability. My first impression thought it is that if we were to add the author to the taxoboxes we would need, at the very least, to abandon the bold type to help make stuff fit. Possibly the article text is a better place. One to ponder. Factbox design and standards are very much the topic of the hour right now, so this would be a good time to propose any new addition/deletion/change, and perhaps we should adjourn this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life . Best -- User:Tannin 09:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) :What do you guys mean by "author"? Do you mean the super-ugly ref link? ''That'' is what the ==References== section of articles are for. Standard MoS stuff. --User:Maveric149 09:43, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) == List of Genera == On several family pages, I created a separate list of genera because the list was so long that it could interfere with page loading and handling for the main family page (and similarly with lists of species for genus pages). We need to pay attention to limiting the size of Wikipedia article pages. In the case of Araliaceae, this was not yet a problem because there was little under the family itself, but if the family's ever fleshed out, it may become an issue. User:Jaknouse 17:29, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) :Other than very actively edited pages, I do not see much problem with long pages. For editing purposes, we can create sections, even within a list of genera. Where is the cutoff? and shouldn't we cross that bridge when we come to it, rather than creating a confusing array of subpages? User:WormRunner 22:31, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) ---- My book says barberry is used for its high citric acide content and used with mutton after being made into a jelly. Pickled for use with curries and used in rice dishes in Afghanistan. The author says he puts it with apples, like in apple pie. There is also a recipe here for a Persian rice and chicken dish, calls for 4 Tbsp. of barberries. He says it complements: rice pilafs, stewed fruits, especially apples, and jellies to accompany red meats. Goes good with allspice, chili, coriander, ginger, pepper, and turmeric. Please don't copy this word for word into the article. Some of this is right from my book. User:Dgrant 06:49, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC) It's a grey area, but pepper is also a fruit. My spice book takes the approach that a spice is any other part of a plant (other than leaf) used for flavouring dishes. I think things like raisins, craisins, etc.. don't qualify because they are more sweet and have less spicy notes to them. User:Dgrant 14:04, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC) No I couldn't find woodruff anywhere? But then I typed "woodruff spice" in google right now and I found it. It wasn't on Gernot Katzer's page anywhere, nor in my spice bible.... User:Dgrant 08:11, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC) ----- Sassafras: synergistic effect of (Cut-and-paste disease) + Altzheimers...sorry User:Pollinator 00:26, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) ---- Yeah, I knew about the self-referential whisk fern link. I'm going to redo the whisk fern as a legitimate article in its own right . . . soon. . . anon . . . someday. User:Jaknouse 06:23, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) ==="butter and eggs"=== What's the justification for this being important? - it is not a name with any formal validity, not found in any floristic or scientific texts. I've no objection to its being mentioned, but I can't see why it deserves bold text to compete with the standard name - User:MPF 16:36, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) "Frankly, I don't see why you insist on reducing its importance." :Partly because it conveys no information as to the species' botanical relationships; partly because it comes over as a foreign attempt to impose a new (and rather trite) name on one of our native plants "It is a very widely used name and is in the references I can find. Which ones is it missing in?" :The standard floras in the species' native area - Blamey & Grey-Wilson; Clapham, Tutin & Warburg; Dandy; Druce; Jalas & Suominen; Kent; Perring & Walters; Polunin; Stace; Tutin et al. "Interestingly, a google search for Linaria "common toadflax" produces 710 results. A search for Linaria "butter-and-eggs" produces 3,490 hits" :All that proves is the agressive dominance of the US on the web! Also that the 'common' is a somewhat optional qualifier, it is often just called 'Toadflax' - User:MPF 17:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) Hi, I made a general topics sidebar for biology - at Mediawiki:biology - useI agree to Wikipedia:Multi-licensing all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:
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User:Velela 11:08, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) Well, almost intact if you count a re-direct. I'll do a neater job next time- apologies.
User:Velela 20:12, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) Hi WormRunner - cc of what I've done, and suggested to Velela; any thoughts?:
Hi Velela - just come in on this one after looking at recent changes, and thought I'd better update you on one or two things. ''Gaultheria'' is far more than just ''G. procumbens'' (about 170 species, in Asia, Australasia, N & S America; e.g. Salal ''G. shallon''), so I've reverted your last edit on List of garden plants and started a new page for the whole genus Gaultheria.
I'm not convinced the current setup with wintergreen as a disambig page is best; Pyrolaceae is 'wintergreen' everywhere, America as well as UK, whereas ''G. procumbens'' has 'wintergreen' as just one minor name of several names, with the USDA listing Eastern Teaberry as its main 'official' name. My suggestion would be to (1) move Wintergreen (Gaultheria) to Eastern Teaberry, and (2) return Wintergreen (Pyrolaceae) back to Wintergreen as a page just about ''Pyrola'', but with a brief one-liner at the top with a link to Eastern Teaberry. Another option would be to move the ''Pyrola'' account to Pyrola, as other genera in the Pyrolaceae (''Moneses, Orthilia, Chimaphila'') are also called 'wintergreen'. Let me know if you'd be happy with these suggestions, and if you have any preferences. Doing this may need admin assistance, though, as a page once moved isn't easy to move back (cc to WormRunner). - User:MPF 00:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) *:as above , my response to User:MPF- User:Velela *:I would be very happy to go along with your proposal. My propblem was that I knew the Pyrolas very well but had little knowldge of Gultheria other than knowing that there was more than just ''G. procumbens''. I didn't want to swim against a great tide of American opinion if ''Wintergreen'' was the common name for ''Gaultheria procumbens'' whilst, in truth, ''Pyrola'' Wintergreens are not exactly the best known plants in Europe. *:There is already a re-direct page at Pyrola and another at Gaultheria procumbens. There's the fag of reverting all the odd links fromSasparilla, Root beer, etc. User:WormRunner was concerned to retain the histories through the moves, something that I signally failed to do but hopefully your editing skils are better than mine !
*:User:Velela 08:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Hi WormRunner - thanks; I'll work on something tomorrow. I'll probably leave wintergreen as a disambig after all, as there's also ''Trientalis'' (Primulaceae), as well as the several genera of Pyrolaceae and I'd not want to move the existing Pyrolaceae page to wintergreen (nor just make it a redirect to Pyrolaceae). And 'wintergreen' can also be a synonym of 'evergreen' (this is probably the original meaning). Commercial oil of wintergreen, as far as I know, is extracted mainly from ''Betula lenta'' if it is still of natural origin at all (rather than synthesized in a factory). - User:MPF 02:12, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Sage removal? == Hello Yep you got rid of my history on sage, I wrote that originally and so could not see the problem. I am new to wikipedia, can you not use your own text even if you reference it? :Sorry, I seem to have been too quick on the trigger. If you would note in the Edit Summary when you cut and paste your own work it would help avoid that. I have reverted my reversion -- User:WormRunner | User talk:WormRunner 20:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC) Cool, Was pretty well researched too mate ;) no feathers ruffled, just thought I had broken a rule. Will also try to be a bit clearer that its my own work in future. == Earthworms == I appreciate your notes on my earthworm paper. It's not quite up to Wikipedia snuff, because it wasn't designed for the wiki, but I can work with it in the future. The reasons for the assortment of Lumbricus-specific information is because that is the one we are studying, but I did not realize the differences between Lumbricus and earthworms in general. Thanks for enlightening me. User:Stellertony 05:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC) p.s. Your work on the worm-related articles is amazing - it was very helpful to my research, unlike some of the other pages (such as grasshopper) User:Stellertony 05:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC) ==Image:Lavender.jpg== Thanks for adding the ifd tag at :Image:Lavender.jpg. Any idea what the plant is? - it is a good pic and worth using, if it can be identified correctly and re-uploaded under its correct name - User:MPF 11:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC) == Solanum == Hello. I have added poroporo back as one of the names for Solunum americanum on the Solanum article. It appears to be native to more than one country. See Talk:Solanum for further discussion. User:Alan Liefting 06:09, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Hi All, If you have a comment, please [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:WormRunner&action=edit§ion=new Post a message] ==Previous messages== Hello, Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers to Wikipedia. Here are some useful links in case you haven't already found them; *Wikipedia:How to edit a page *Wikipedia:How to write a great article *Wikipedia:Naming conventions *Wikipedia:Manual of Style If you have any questions, see the Wikipedia:Help, add a question to the Wikipedia:village pump or ask me on User_talk:Angela. I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedia:Wikipedians! User:Angela 03:34, Nov 3, 2003 (UTC) ==Trillium== Oh, that's a shame. I've replied to your question on how to delete it at Image talk:Trillium.jpg. It wasn't actually my picture by the way. User:Mbecker uploaded it for me so he could earn Wikipedia:Wikimoney! User:Angela 18:10, 12 Nov 2003 (UTC) Well done for finding that :Image:TrilliumErectum-thumb.jpg! Your :Image:Trillium ovatum.jpg looks great too. User:Angela 20:34, 13 Nov 2003 (UTC) Looks like mav has already reverted it (and added a "What the heck are you doing?" to the user's talk page!). You did the right thing not wanting to get in an edit war though. I'll keep an eye on it in case it happens again, but you could mention on the talk page what your concerns with the previous version were, although probably not necessary unless he comes back to it. User:Angela 20:53, 24 Nov 2003 (UTC) ==Trillium== Thanks for the reminder. I've renamed them now and listed the old ones on WP:IfD. Image deletion was recently re-enabled, so they will be able to be deleted in a week, assuming there are no objections. User:Angela 21:38, 26 Nov 2003 (UTC) Hi, thanks for the note. Just now noticed it. :) How long ago did you attend Reed (if you don't mind my asking)? User:Anakolouthon Ahh, so you know all about "Olde Reed" then? Heh. My friends and I are trying (as annoying freshmen, of course) to perpetuate an image of Nü Reed. Which basically involves not going on about "back in my day, blah blah blah." It is especially annoying to those of us who are trying to enjoy our present Reed experiences when, say, sophomores talk about Olde Reed as if it was some mystical land that will never return, and we just missed it. A lot of people seem pretty annoyed with us, too. Anyway, I only mean this to be anecdotal. Glad to "meet" another Reedie on Wikipedia. :) --User:Anakolouthon 07:28, 9 Dec 2003 (UTC) == Headings == Just so you know, =H1= headings are only for the title of pages. It is never appropriate to have them in the article itself. ==H2== is the next level down and is thus the most common. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Headline style. --User:Maveric149 08:32, 13 Dec 2003 (UTC) Hi WormRunner, nice to meet you. I agree entirely about Mountain Ash: there are, I think, three different species that share that common name, one in Australia, one in Europe, and one in the New World - and only ''one'' of the three is actually an ash! Eucalyptus regnans is much the best title for in, in my view. (Indeed, as you know, that's what I originally created it under, back before I knew about the "always use common names" rule. In this case, of course, the common name is impractical, so we are quite justified in making a disambiguation page at Mountain ash and using the botanical names instead. In fact, there is a school of thought here that ''all'' plants should be listed by botanical name, as plant common names are so chaotic and contradictory. This would require a Wikipedia policy change and a good deal of discussion to push through, but on the whole I am in sympathy with it. In the meantime, I'm using common names, but only where they are sensible and unambiguous. As an example, ''Corymbia ficifolia'', though a very common and much-loved garden plant in Oz, doesn't really have a proper common name. People sometimes call it Red Flowering Gum, but it isn't always red, ''all'' 800-odd eucalypts flower, and it isn't a gum at all, it's a bloodwood! So I made that one under the botanical name. Anyway, go right ahead and make a disambiguation page at Mountain ash, I think it's the best solution, and I doubt that anyone will oppose it. (If you are not sure how to do the page move thing, sing out.) Best -- Tony (User:Tannin 06:38, 15 Dec 2003 (UTC)) == Categories == Regarding Categories (just notice the question now that you removed it :), you have to dig in [http://meta.wikipedia.org meta] for proposals, discussions, etc. For example, see: *m:Categorization *m:Categorization requirements *m:Categorization with field-value pairs *m:Field-value pairs *m:Technical categories in Wikipedia *User:Zocky/Bottom-up categorization *User:Brent Gulanowski/Categorization *Wikipedia:Category schemes and their respective talk pages. There may be other ones, but these are the ones I have come across. There is also talk on some of the [http://mail.wikipedia.org mailing lists]. User:Dori | User talk:Dori 08:59, Jan 12, 2004 (UTC) == Images for deletion == I saw your question on Angela's page. If you've not already found it, there is indeed an images for deletion page - it's Wikipedia:Images for deletion :) -- User:Finlay McWalter 19:50, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) :That's what I was going to say. :) User:Angelauser talk:Angela 23:13, Jan 21, 2004 (UTC) == It is not advertising, it is just informations == It is not advertising, it is just informations :When the intent is clearly to get a commercial web site linked, that is not "just information" in any sense that is compatible with wikipedia's goals. If you want to give "information" write a real article about the area. User:WormRunner 01:31, 25 Jan 2004 (UTC) == Just trying to help!!! lol == If i am trying to provide more info and ressources to th encyclopedia, i am then doing advertising??? anyway, i won't reput the link in aranes, though i should!! :-( ==Araucaria== Duh! missed it! Thanks for pointing it out - I had found a dead link by a slightly different name - I will run round and do the redirects. User:Seglea 07:25, 27 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==Re: Red alder== I saw your newly created article (nicely done, by the way.. love how you worked in the actinomycete) and figured there must be a PD image or two floating around somewhere. The grove picture is somewhat more atmospheric than the usual government fare, so I went ahead and snagged it. Informative and easy on the eyes.. always the best way to go, I say. If only the Canadian government would release its images! Oh and well. :) User:Hadal 17:23, 31 Jan 2004 (UTC) == Potato vine == I see; sorry for the mixup! - User:Hephaestos 05:53, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) Very good job on it. I see from your user page it's in your specialty, I should pay closer attention. :) - User:Hephaestos 06:18, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) == Image markup == That works well! Thanks for the tip. - User:Hephaestos 17:44, 4 Feb 2004 (UTC) ---- Hi WR. Actually, I didn't realise what I'd done until afterwards. I happened to glance at the page again (not having edited it since last night) and thought ''Tannin, you idiot: there is a great big typo in the middle of your shiny new wikicode taxobox''. It was only after saving the (minor) change that I paused to wonder where that particular typo had snuck in from and the reality dawned on me. Having explained that, let's ponder the idea. Currently, none of the animal taxa taxoboxes provide the author (or at least not in the areas I am familiar with, mostly the higher taxa). In fact, I don't recall seeing it around the plant pages either, though I've not spent much time there. So the tree of life "standard" is ''not'' a standard, at least not currently. I suspect it was quietly added by someone and no-one has noticed that it's there yet. ''Should'' it be a standard thing? Hmmm .... I can see arguments both ways. The "pro" is obvious, the main "cons" are (a) layout considerations in the already cramped taxoboxes, and (b) readability. My first impression thought it is that if we were to add the author to the taxoboxes we would need, at the very least, to abandon the bold type to help make stuff fit. Possibly the article text is a better place. One to ponder. Factbox design and standards are very much the topic of the hour right now, so this would be a good time to propose any new addition/deletion/change, and perhaps we should adjourn this discussion to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life . Best -- User:Tannin 09:33, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) :What do you guys mean by "author"? Do you mean the super-ugly ref link? ''That'' is what the ==References== section of articles are for. Standard MoS stuff. --User:Maveric149 09:43, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) == List of Genera == On several family pages, I created a separate list of genera because the list was so long that it could interfere with page loading and handling for the main family page (and similarly with lists of species for genus pages). We need to pay attention to limiting the size of Wikipedia article pages. In the case of Araliaceae, this was not yet a problem because there was little under the family itself, but if the family's ever fleshed out, it may become an issue. User:Jaknouse 17:29, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) :Other than very actively edited pages, I do not see much problem with long pages. For editing purposes, we can create sections, even within a list of genera. Where is the cutoff? and shouldn't we cross that bridge when we come to it, rather than creating a confusing array of subpages? User:WormRunner 22:31, 17 Feb 2004 (UTC) ---- My book says barberry is used for its high citric acide content and used with mutton after being made into a jelly. Pickled for use with curries and used in rice dishes in Afghanistan. The author says he puts it with apples, like in apple pie. There is also a recipe here for a Persian rice and chicken dish, calls for 4 Tbsp. of barberries. He says it complements: rice pilafs, stewed fruits, especially apples, and jellies to accompany red meats. Goes good with allspice, chili, coriander, ginger, pepper, and turmeric. Please don't copy this word for word into the article. Some of this is right from my book. User:Dgrant 06:49, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC) It's a grey area, but pepper is also a fruit. My spice book takes the approach that a spice is any other part of a plant (other than leaf) used for flavouring dishes. I think things like raisins, craisins, etc.. don't qualify because they are more sweet and have less spicy notes to them. User:Dgrant 14:04, Feb 18, 2004 (UTC) No I couldn't find woodruff anywhere? But then I typed "woodruff spice" in google right now and I found it. It wasn't on Gernot Katzer's page anywhere, nor in my spice bible.... User:Dgrant 08:11, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC) ----- Sassafras: synergistic effect of (Cut-and-paste disease) + Altzheimers...sorry User:Pollinator 00:26, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) ---- Yeah, I knew about the self-referential whisk fern link. I'm going to redo the whisk fern as a legitimate article in its own right . . . soon. . . anon . . . someday. User:Jaknouse 06:23, 6 Mar 2004 (UTC) ==="butter and eggs"=== What's the justification for this being important? - it is not a name with any formal validity, not found in any floristic or scientific texts. I've no objection to its being mentioned, but I can't see why it deserves bold text to compete with the standard name - User:MPF 16:36, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) "Frankly, I don't see why you insist on reducing its importance." :Partly because it conveys no information as to the species' botanical relationships; partly because it comes over as a foreign attempt to impose a new (and rather trite) name on one of our native plants "It is a very widely used name and is in the references I can find. Which ones is it missing in?" :The standard floras in the species' native area - Blamey & Grey-Wilson; Clapham, Tutin & Warburg; Dandy; Druce; Jalas & Suominen; Kent; Perring & Walters; Polunin; Stace; Tutin et al. "Interestingly, a google search for Linaria "common toadflax" produces 710 results. A search for Linaria "butter-and-eggs" produces 3,490 hits" :All that proves is the agressive dominance of the US on the web! Also that the 'common' is a somewhat optional qualifier, it is often just called 'Toadflax' - User:MPF 17:18, 11 Mar 2004 (UTC) Hi, I made a general topics sidebar for biology - at Mediawiki:biology - use
User:Velela 11:08, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) Well, almost intact if you count a re-direct. I'll do a neater job next time- apologies.
User:Velela 20:12, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) Hi WormRunner - cc of what I've done, and suggested to Velela; any thoughts?:
Hi Velela - just come in on this one after looking at recent changes, and thought I'd better update you on one or two things. ''Gaultheria'' is far more than just ''G. procumbens'' (about 170 species, in Asia, Australasia, N & S America; e.g. Salal ''G. shallon''), so I've reverted your last edit on List of garden plants and started a new page for the whole genus Gaultheria.
I'm not convinced the current setup with wintergreen as a disambig page is best; Pyrolaceae is 'wintergreen' everywhere, America as well as UK, whereas ''G. procumbens'' has 'wintergreen' as just one minor name of several names, with the USDA listing Eastern Teaberry as its main 'official' name. My suggestion would be to (1) move Wintergreen (Gaultheria) to Eastern Teaberry, and (2) return Wintergreen (Pyrolaceae) back to Wintergreen as a page just about ''Pyrola'', but with a brief one-liner at the top with a link to Eastern Teaberry. Another option would be to move the ''Pyrola'' account to Pyrola, as other genera in the Pyrolaceae (''Moneses, Orthilia, Chimaphila'') are also called 'wintergreen'. Let me know if you'd be happy with these suggestions, and if you have any preferences. Doing this may need admin assistance, though, as a page once moved isn't easy to move back (cc to WormRunner). - User:MPF 00:51, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) *:as above , my response to User:MPF- User:Velela *:I would be very happy to go along with your proposal. My propblem was that I knew the Pyrolas very well but had little knowldge of Gultheria other than knowing that there was more than just ''G. procumbens''. I didn't want to swim against a great tide of American opinion if ''Wintergreen'' was the common name for ''Gaultheria procumbens'' whilst, in truth, ''Pyrola'' Wintergreens are not exactly the best known plants in Europe. *:There is already a re-direct page at Pyrola and another at Gaultheria procumbens. There's the fag of reverting all the odd links fromSasparilla, Root beer, etc. User:WormRunner was concerned to retain the histories through the moves, something that I signally failed to do but hopefully your editing skils are better than mine !
*:User:Velela 08:48, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Hi WormRunner - thanks; I'll work on something tomorrow. I'll probably leave wintergreen as a disambig after all, as there's also ''Trientalis'' (Primulaceae), as well as the several genera of Pyrolaceae and I'd not want to move the existing Pyrolaceae page to wintergreen (nor just make it a redirect to Pyrolaceae). And 'wintergreen' can also be a synonym of 'evergreen' (this is probably the original meaning). Commercial oil of wintergreen, as far as I know, is extracted mainly from ''Betula lenta'' if it is still of natural origin at all (rather than synthesized in a factory). - User:MPF 02:12, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Sage removal? == Hello Yep you got rid of my history on sage, I wrote that originally and so could not see the problem. I am new to wikipedia, can you not use your own text even if you reference it? :Sorry, I seem to have been too quick on the trigger. If you would note in the Edit Summary when you cut and paste your own work it would help avoid that. I have reverted my reversion -- User:WormRunner | User talk:WormRunner 20:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC) Cool, Was pretty well researched too mate ;) no feathers ruffled, just thought I had broken a rule. Will also try to be a bit clearer that its my own work in future. == Earthworms == I appreciate your notes on my earthworm paper. It's not quite up to Wikipedia snuff, because it wasn't designed for the wiki, but I can work with it in the future. The reasons for the assortment of Lumbricus-specific information is because that is the one we are studying, but I did not realize the differences between Lumbricus and earthworms in general. Thanks for enlightening me. User:Stellertony 05:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC) p.s. Your work on the worm-related articles is amazing - it was very helpful to my research, unlike some of the other pages (such as grasshopper) User:Stellertony 05:48, 18 May 2005 (UTC) ==Image:Lavender.jpg== Thanks for adding the ifd tag at :Image:Lavender.jpg. Any idea what the plant is? - it is a good pic and worth using, if it can be identified correctly and re-uploaded under its correct name - User:MPF 11:29, 23 May 2005 (UTC) == Solanum == Hello. I have added poroporo back as one of the names for Solunum americanum on the Solanum article. It appears to be native to more than one country. See Talk:Solanum for further discussion. User:Alan Liefting 06:09, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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