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 Viajero/Archive 2 < 9 December 2003 | width=250 align="center"| /Archive 3 < 21 January 2004 /Archive 4 < 26 March 2004 | width=250 align="center"| /Archive 5 < 1 July 2004 /Archive 6 < 14 May 2005 |} [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Viajero&action=edit§ion=new Add new message] I recall the dust-up with Shorne quite well, and I remember that El C was a voice of reason even when things became quite heated. Mackensen (talk) 21:54, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FEl_C&diff=12945443&oldid=12945338] User:El C 23:47, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
== Thanks for the note ==
Peace --
I certainly appreciate the sentiments ... it's just a strange time, I think. Even after all this media coverage about the Qur'an thing, I saw some on-line poll today that said that 67% of the public had no problem with what had been happening at Gitmo. That kind of willful suspension of disbelief makes me gasp.
I think perhaps there ''is'' a mindset that cries "anti-Americanism" in the face of any problem like this, but I liked to think such people were on the fringe... I also like to think that great figures from our past like John Quincy Adams Lincoln and Harry Truman would have been proud be called "anti-Americans" by such, and would draw the line when people are treated like animals, have their religion desecrtated, and are beaten to death by our military.
You've seen the Bagram article, I know, but ...note too that US citizens have been abucted and tortured now under the connivance of the FBI...
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/052405Y.shtml
This, like the Bush/Blair memo confirming that intelligence had been "fixed" to justify invasion in Iraq, was essentially a non-story in the mainstream US media. Like the Witch sprinkled poppies over all the editors-in-chief or something.
Such developments make me think outlets like WP are particularly important nowabouts.
Keep in touch,
Brandon Yusuf Toropov
www.JesustheMuslim.com
::Hi again -- I did look at the rendition WP article, and I'd like very much to read the Jane Mayer article in the NEW YORKER that you mention. Alas, I can't find it hooking up to anything accessible via Google. You wouldn't have a copy (or link) you could email to me?
::Many thanks for the reference. yusuf.toropov@gmail.com User:BrandonYusufToropov 00:00, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the ref, I have added that article to my watchlist and am about halfway through the New Yorker article. If you have access to the NY Times, check out Bob Herbert's Memorial Day column today, some highlights of which are:
:::''It's now known that many of the individuals swept up in and confined at Guantanamo and elsewhere were innocent. The administration says it has evidence it could use to prove the guilt of detainees currently at Guantanamo, but much of the evidence is secret, and therefore cannot be revealed. This is where the war on terror meets Never-Never Land.... (Column continues:) "How," asked Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont, "can our State Department denounce countries for engaging in torture while the C.I.A. secretly transfers detainees to the very same countries for interrogation?"
:::Like almost everyone else in the mainstream media, however, Herbert is apparently not emotionally ready to close his eyes, think of England, and type the word "torture" on his keyboard without deleting it (unless he's quoting someone braver than he). We're still dealing with problems of "abuse" and "humiliation," it seems, as well as the cases of people who were "even killed." What other word besides "torture" could adequately describe, for instance, the rankest of the outrages at Bagram, I am unable to say.
:::Same issue of the Times has a story (Page A12), IN RISING NUMBERS, LAWYERS HEAD FOR GUANTANAMO BAY, that purports to document some reduction in blood-lust, commensurate with exposure to attorneys from outside. Not surprising, but what of the concentration camps discussion of whose existence remains crimethink? User:BrandonYusufToropov 18:00, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
==Hi==
I'll need some help on Rios Montt. SqueakBox has ignored just about every substantive point that I've made and instead just keeps on browbeating me over the same points over and over again. As usual, I don't know what can be done about an editor like this. User:172 03:24, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
== Copyedits ==
Thanks for your good work on Eric Foner. I'm afraid some of the clumsy prose was mine. A related article that I have abused with poor writing is James M. McPherson. He's another Civil War historian. Cheers, -User:Willmcw 01:08, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
:Great job. Thanks! -User:Willmcw 17:19, May 31, 2005 (UTC)
==Juárez==
Thanks, excellent job. User:Hajor 12:46, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Konspire2b ==
Just wanted to ask about your recatorisation of Konspire2b from Peer to peer to File sharing programs -- my understanding is that the two categories are orthogonal (i.e. centralised programs can share files (e.g. FTP) and P2P systems exist that don't share files, (e.g. DNS)) -- shouldn't we list both categories rather than choosing one or the other? At the moment it doesn't appear in the P2P category, despite being such a program. User:Ojw 18:19, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Layout fix Amsterdam ==
Why did you ''fix'' the layout of the article on Amsterdam? Was there something wrong, or did you just not like it? User:Ilse@ 21:18, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== What is going on? ==
Yes of course, I copied your profile a bit, however, I wanted to show you that I show the same solidarity you do to this site. Why are you guys deleting things?
I have totally brought this page up from almost zero.
I've submitted photos, why do you guys have problems with the mothers being on the page?
you need to watch the videos in here
http://www.zulmaaguiar.com/Juarez/
honestly look @ least at the 20 MB file...
sorry don't have a smaller one right now.
but believe me, I'm trying to be as unbiased as possible.
I did not delete his information?
he's deleting my information?
Also why do you make the page look less legit by moving where the sources are quoted as...
I want the text to have the "out link" so to speak.
the way you do it makes it look like its in the footnote.
most of all, your last edit "viajero" when you restored it to Hajor's deleted a huge section of footnotes of a bibliography that encourages people to read more.
Are you guys working for the Mexican government or what?
Why are you defending the murderers?
Are you one of those that calls the mothers crying babies, who should preoccupy themselves with other issues other than the murder of their daughters.
How would you feel if your daughter was murdered and the police just photocopied the newspaper article and inserted it into your daughters case file and called it a day.
I'm not even telling the audience exactly everything I believe about what is going on. I'm just hinting them to investigate on their own.
This stuff about "rehashing" that fox keeps saying is ridiculous.
Somebody is misinforming the president.
The murders are totally happening.
Tell that to the mothers and children of the women that have been killed this year.
tell that to the 7 year old girl that was murdered.
The women are being consumed the way we consume the products from maquiladoras, and then dispose of them as if they were trash.
The non profits and activists that have come up since the deaths of the women are being accused of scaring people into living in Juarez, they blame the mothers, not the government or the murderers themselves.
I know the police has been trying to help, but who is to say that they have not botched investigations?
The sad truth is that they have.
In many cases, they have the DNA of the murderers and still yet they can't come up with who did it?
How is this possible?
You tell me?
lazeta
== i remember what happened,, ==
i copied & forgot to delete..
was an accident don't worry about it..
z
== Category:Operas by title ==
DrG seems to now be adding :Category:Operas by title to every single opera. This seems rather superfluous and a misuse of categories to me; what do you think?--User:BaronLarf 03:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
:Did you mention it on the WP:VP? I can't find it anywhere. If not, I'll post it; just didn't want to duplicate. Cheers. --User:BaronLarf 14:27, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
::Duly added at WP:VPA. --User:BaronLarf 15:17, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
:::Having created a list as a substitute and waiting for a couple days for more debate or another solution, I've listed this on CfD (WP:CfD#Category:Operas by title). Cheers.--User:BaronLarf 12:49, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
==Einzelganger==
I am intrigued by your perception of me. Probably spot on. Things have calmed down anyway at Rios Montt. I felt that eventually 172 allowed me to add my material. I am as POV as the next person, just not normally with Latin American politics. Those November 2003 elections had a profound impact on my life, so maybe that is a part of why I have strong feelings around Montt. When I saw him speak it was his daughter Zury, sounding like a screaming witch, who really scared me, User:SqueakBox 23:05, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
== vacation ==
fyi, I'm back just a little these days; things are good! User:Davenbelle 03:35, Jun 4, 2005 (UTC)
User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370 03:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Klonimus ==
He does seem to like adding photos of Nazis to articles; I'll take a look. User:Mel Etitis (Μελ_Ετητης)">User talk:Mel Etitis 09:45, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Many thanks for your note ==
... and for the spot-on references. The "statelessness" point was a chillng one that I had not considered in those terms.
The Qur'an abuse article was a featured news story today on the WP homepage, which made my heart quicken. :)
Do you suppose there is a current-events-driven article to be developed regarding AI's description of Gitmo as the "gulag of our times"? Or the Bush human rights record in general? Curious for your thoughts. User:BrandonYusufToropov 13:39, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Hi again -- the abduction of the German Muslim to Guantanamo is certainly a terrifying story. Thanks so much for passing it along.
::Re: the human rights piece: I'm sure you're right. Yet if there is a hard news event to connect these things to, there is sometimes a better chance for high visibility. (We had POV battles at the Qur'an desecration page, too, but facts and new revelations got in the way of the disruptions.) I guess I'm still waiting for another topic offering similar clarity, similarly demonstrable evidence of contempt for international law, and similar relevance to the average curious person. I'll let you know if something hits me. User:BrandonYusufToropov 14:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::[http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/4C61968E-3EF4-4E3C-8C8E-03BCA76E3B96.htm This] for instance... perhaps something about indictments for violations of international law, tying into AI charges? Wasn't there something with Rumsfeld being indicted in Germany? Do you have anything on that? Or know how it has affected his travel plans? User:BrandonYusufToropov 21:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Spam blocking ==
Hi Viajero,
I have to admit I'm more in favour of removing spam links than most people, but your 1 year block on User:62.195.252.195 for consistently adding a spam link to Amsterdam caught my attention. It seems a bit strong, given that they only had two warnings. Is there some prior history here that isn't so obvious? -- User:Solipsist 19:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Hi, as you can see from that users contributions [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=62.195.252.195], their only activity on Wikipedia over the past year has been to try to add that link to the Amsterdam page; by my count twenty times. Each time it gets reverted by another editor. There was also some discussion about this issue on the Talk page in which he/she took part, but evidently in vain. HTH, -- User:Viajero | User_talk:Viajero 20:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::That's what I figured. I think you were right to block - its just that a full year block is a longer than the arbitration committee typically hands out, even for cases of egregious disruption and vandalism. The typical 24 hr block probably wouldn't work as they are only an occaisional visitor, but it looks like they would notice a 1 month block to start with and you could escalate from there. -- User:Solipsist 20:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::Ok, reduced to thirty days. -- User:Viajero | User_talk:Viajero 20:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::Lets hope it works. A message on their talk page stating that they have been blocked is usually a good idea too. -- User:Solipsist 20:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Great rework on intro... ==
... to desecration of Qur'an article. Many thanks! 22:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Definitely agree. User:BrandonYusufToropov 22:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
==Thanks for your support==
Thank you for voting on my RFA. Have some PI! I was pleasantly surprised by the sheer number of supporters (including several people that usually disagree with my opinion). I shall do my best with the proverbial mop. Yours, User:Radiant!User_talk:Radiant!>|<">meta:mergist 08:01, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
== :Category:Opera by language, etc. ==
The category :Category:Opera by language as well as its all empty child categories are currently up for speedy deletions. Also, there is currently a discussion about merging :Category:Operas down into :Category:Opera taking place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera, among all the other discussions. (Thought I'd let you know, per your request.) Cheers. --User:BaronLarf 13:29, Jun 8, 2005 (UTC)
== That simmering article ==
Many thanks -- I have indeed been taking notes, and this is obviously an important resource. I would like to compose it in Word first and then get thoughts from people I trust before trying to post it here.
Have you seen http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1400063175/wamu-20/103-8908685-9420668?dev-t=D39XLW81EN6ZFS this book? Heard an interview with author today ... quite an important piece of work, solidly researched, and destined to shift some paradigms. (Whose, I don't know, but ... mine were certainly shifted.)
Here is an http://www.randomhouse.ca/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9781400063178 overview of the same book.
Here is the http://www.here-now.org/shows/2005/06/20050608_2.asp interview that impressed me so. Hope you enjoy it.
yusuf.toropov@gmail.com
Peace, BYT
== Coolcat's nasty comments ==
Hi, V. Could you please drop User:Coolcat a note re [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ACoolcat&diff=14882793&oldid=14870067 this] personal attack that he keeps making on his talk page? Stereotek and I have stricken it a couple of times and Cc keeps restoring it. ''Thanks.'' User:Davenbelle 05:27, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC)
==Deaths in Ciudad Juárez==
Heh. Chose my week to be away, huh? Matters appear to have settled down, now -- last edit five days ago. I'll take a look in later. Cheers, User:Hajor 18:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
==Trey Stone==
Hi. Please block User:64.7.89.54. It's Trey Stone's longtime IP address, and he seems to be editing as an anon lately to evade a ban or a block. User:172 06:35, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Image left/right ==
Ok, let's stop an edit war. I place images on the left, expecilly if the image stays at the top of the article, because it is easier for the reader to find the beginning of the text. This is true for Marilyn Horne, since her image is not a small picture. May I put the image back to right?--User:Panairjdde 17:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Manipulation of WP by means of page moves at Iraq document leak 18 June 2005 ==
Nothing to do with anyone we know, but rather some newborn vandal, who has taken it into his/her head that the information presented here should not be seen by WP users.
Quite a creative series of Daliesque renames and redirects, with a clear purpose.
Would you consider renaming to the name above, and perhaps locking the page until this storm passes?
PS: Thanks for restoring that intro on the Qur'an/Gitmo page. User:BrandonYusufToropov 18:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Many thanks! User:BrandonYusufToropov 18:52, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
==Hey==
I've noticed Kapil raising his head again, via your notices, thank you. I dunno - what's the budget this year for rope? I did believe sooner or later, but I forgot ''how much rope it might take''. I regret that I don't care enough about his inane May "personal attacks" on me to go screaming to RfC on a separate issue, but I do keep you in mind, and if there's anything I can do, let me know. This must get very wearing. --User:Mothperson 22:11, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Didn't mean to be anon. ==
Thanks for the tip on the signature; I wasn't aware that's how you do it and I'll use it in the future. Nonetheless, I don't see why it's an issue. Clearly I you were able to find me. And even if you weren't, so what?
== Ed has been kind enough to nominate me for an adminship ==
...which I think will go a long way toward resolving unproductive disputes pages he and I both edit. Anyone who is interested in voting one way or the other is invited to the discussion [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/BrandonYusufToropov#.5B.5BUser:BrandonYusufToropov.5D.5D here]. User:BrandonYusufToropov 17:08, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Many, instead of implying all? ==
I note in Corporate media you removed the word "some" from "Corporate media is a term used by some media commentators........" It now reads as if all US media commentators use the term to imply that the mainstream media is controlled by large multinationals (which manipulate and filter out news that does not fit their corporate agenda). Do you think media commentators working for Rupert Murdoch's media empire (one example) would agree with such an assertion? Would you agree that I inset the word "many" where the word "some" previously appeared? User:Moriori 23:11, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
==Opera titles==
Salomé (opera) should be returned to Salome (opera). ''User:DrG; previously unsigned''
:Yes, I agree with DrG. It should be moved to Salome (opera), but an existing redirect prevents us common rabble from moving it. --User:BaronLarfUser talk:BaronLarf 21:01, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)
== Operettas ==
What's your opinion on operettas? I view them as a subcategory of operas, but User:DrG has changed the category hierarchy of :Category:Operetta to be a separate entity and has also created a new wikiproject (Wikipedia:WikiProject Operetta (of which he is the sole member) to deal with them. If you don't feel as strongly about this as I do, I'll let it go because I don't want to create more conflict with DrG if it's pointless. Thanks much. --User:BaronLarfUser talk:BaronLarf 19:56, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)Viajero
''Maria Callas as Anna Bolena, La Scala, 1957
Ubi solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant. — ''Caledonian general Calgacus I started contributing to Wikipedia in June, 2003. Among my interests are opera, Latin America, and journalism. I was born in the United States, but I have lived most of my adult life in northern Europe. I admire Wikipedia for its communal spirit and its non-hierarchical organization; I fear for its soft white underbelly, its vulnerablity to agenda-driven partisans. Although I am not proud of it, I can be diplomacy-challenged when it comes to dealing with zealots of all stripes, attack poodles, POV militants, omphalocentric Americans, pedants, militarists, cultural imperialists, and abusers of the English language. In turn, I have been accused of being a sock puppet, a banned user, a vandal, and an ''antifujimorista''. A few of my favorite contributions: ''Les Troyens'', Leo Frank, El Mozote massacre, Rubén Blades, Fred Hampton, Benny Moré, Alexander Berkman, and John Negroponte. Also, I planted a seed for 1755 Lisbon earthquake and it blossomed into a lovely flower (thanks Muriel!). More contributions are here: /contribs. My kindred spirits here: User:172, User:Danny, User:Hajor (our man in D.F.), User:Jmabel, User:Wetman, User:Zero0000, user:Mel Etitis. Viajero#REDIRECT User talk:Viajero/old See other meanings of words starting from letter: VWords begining with Viajero: Viajero Viajero Viajero Viajero/Archive_1 Viajero/Archive_2 Viajero/Archive_3 Viajero/Archive_4 Viajero/Archive_5 Viajero/Archive_6 Viajero/Asuntos Viajero/Asuntos/Nuevo Viajero/contribs Viajero/Enlaces Viajero/Images Viajero/Leumi Viajero/Leumi Viajero/monobook.css Viajero/Nuevo Viajero/Nuevo Viajero/old Viajero/tmp Viajero/tmp |
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