Vergina

==Axiom:Wikipedia cannot be more objectively than admins!== ===One cannot delete facts & history=== User:Vergina 20:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) ---------------- Welcome to wikipedia! Please take a look at the Republic of Macedonia article and its associated talk page to see why we leave out the "FYRO" part. If you haven't already done so, please carefully read the following pages: *Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers *Wikipedia:How to edit a page *Wikipedia:Manual of Style *Wikipedia:Naming conventions You can sign your name with ~~~~ (or just ~~~ to leave out the date stamp). If you have questions or doubts of any sort first see the Wikipedia:Help, then do not hesitate to post them on the Village Pump and somebody will respond ASAP. Have fun! --User:Jiang 06:00, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC) the UNO name is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia! User:Vergina 06:04, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC) ---- The legal name of a country is the name which appears in its constitution, not the name used by the UN. The country is called the Republic of Macedonia in its constitution. That should be the usage here. PS I was in Vergina last year and think it is one of the most evocative places in the world. I might write an article about it and the Star of Vergina issue etc. User:Dr Adam Carr 06:15, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC) Please stop reinserting your FYROM label in Republic of Macedonia. You need to reason and discuss on the main page. Otherwise, your edits will be constantly reverted. --User:Jiang 20:51, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC) FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, is fabrik for folgery Greek history,Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol "Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!! User:Vergina 21:16, 7 Oct 2003 (UTC) Please, if you are not fluent in English, let another user to argue on your behalf. Consistent insertions will lead the pages you edit to be protected. --User:Jiang 21:13, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC) Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia is not identical to Republic of Macedonia---------User:Vergina 21:33, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC) How so? --User:Jiang 23:21, 13 Oct 2003 (UTC) What IS the difference - except that greek nationalists insist on the FYO? If all you do here is adding the FYO again and again - that's pathetic. Why don't add some real contents about the greek Macedonia, the area you seem to like so much you need to make sure noone ever will confuse with the country Macedonia. User:Ahoerstemeier 11:34, 14 Oct 2003 (UTC) ---- Changing the links does little. FYROM redirects to ROM. You're wasting your time. --User:Jiang :And wasting our time as well. I can only repeat: why don't you do constructive work by adding contents about your beloved Makedonia? User:Ahoerstemeier 08:57, 22 Oct 2003 (UTC) ---- The only reason the name in the eurovision artilces is FYR of Macedonia is becaus ethats the name used in the contest. - fonzy ---- == Stub note == Please do not remove wikipedia:Stub note just because you added one more word: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Kastoria&diff=1647411&oldid=1647394]. One or two sentences are just a tiny stub. --User:Menchi 07:45, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC) :Repeat what Menchi said - please DO NOT remove the stub note. :In addition, if you don't like Aegean Macedonia, then have that article moved. Discuss it. Simply changing it to Macedonia won't do, as that article is about the entire region and not just the part in Greece. --User:Jiang 22:37, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC) In Greece called Macedonia or Makedonia,not Aegean Macedonia. *Aegean Macedonia is the TITO Propaganda name. User:Vergina 22:52, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC) Link to Makedonia then. --User:Jiang 23:02, 30 Oct 2003 (UTC) There's no point in changing Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia since the latter just redirects to the former. --User:Jiang 01:04, 15 Nov 2003 (UTC) Hi there. You might want to take a look at wikipedia:revert - you reverted Council of Europe four times yesterday, and a lot of Wikipedians take the approach that reverting the same article more than two or three times tends to be counter-productive. User:MyRedDice 19:24, 19 Nov 2003 (UTC) In Council of Europe the name of the state is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia ! Link to Republic of Macedonia is false ! Republic of Macedonia is not identical to Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia !! O.K ?? ---User:Vergina 22:33, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC) ---- Dear Vergina, do you mind stoping with the blankings? You know that you are going to be reverted. Why dont you present your side of the issue in the apropriate talk page? All the best, User:Muriel Gottrop 12:28, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC) Macedonia is not identical to Republic of Macedonia or fyrom!! And (Music of Macedonia is not identical to (Music of the Republic of Macedonia --- User:Vergina 22:02, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC) ---- Greek: Geia xara. sou grafw sta ellinika epidi pistevw pws ise ellinas. exw tin entiposi pws den gnwrizeis arketa kala agglika, an kanw lathos diorthose me. ean ta agglika se diskolevoun stin epikinwnia me tous allous edw kai theleis na ektheseis kapoies apopseis sou, boreis na mou grapseis to minima sou sta ellinika kai egw tha to metafrasw sta agglika. tha ithela na se enimerosw pws iparxei elliniki wikipedia stin diefthinsi [http://el.wikipedia.org/ el.wikipedia.org] kai an theleis boreis na grafeis ekei. epiprostheta tha ithela na sigoureutw pws katalaveneis kapoia pragmata gia tin koultoura tis Wikipedia. prwta sizitame me tous allous kai meta allazoume mia selida. den ofelei na kanoume allages otan gnwrizoume pws kapoios allos tha allaksei ksana ti selida. o skopos mas einai na ftiaksoume mia egiklopedia, kai gia na ginei auto prepei prwta na simfonisoume metaxy mas gia to periexomeno (kai onoma) twn arthrwn. prin kanoume mia allagi se mia selida, prepei na skeftomaste ean i allagi einai xrisimi gia ton episkepti. User:Optim 18:35, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) (akolouthei to idio minima sta agglika, below is the same message in english) English: Hello. I am writing in Greek because I think that you come from Greece. It seems that your English is not very good, if this is wrong you can correct me. If English is a problem for you and you want to inform the other users here about your opinion, you can give me your message in Greek and I will translate it in English. I would like to inform you that a Greek Wikipedia exists at address [http://el.wikipedia.org/ el.wikipedia.org] and you can contribute there if you like. Additionally I would like to be sure that you understand some things about the culture of Wikipedia. We discuss with the others first and then we edit a page. It's not good to edit a page when we know that another user will change it back again. Our goal is to create an encyclopedia, and in order to do that we must agree with each other on the contents (and name) of the articles. before making some change on a page, we have to think whether the change will be useful for the reader. User:Optim 18:35, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) I know that. Go tell the other wikipedias to move their articles. ask the m:Wikipedia Embassy. A bunch of interwiki links at China refer to the People's Republic of China.--User:JiangUser talk:Jiang 23:31, 7 Feb 2004 (UTC) ______________________ ==Vandalism== I see that you've been going around Wikipedia deleting references to the Republic of Macedonia. I regard this as vandalism and have listed it on Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress. Other Wikipedians have raised this issue with you before. Don't do it again. -- User:ChrisO 19:03, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) You are nationalist! Macedonia is not identical to FYROM!!This is history vandalism . I have corrected this and it is right in such a way! Where do you see the problem? If I am, so, a nationalist!? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Boris_Trajkovski&diff=2561742&oldid=2558488 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_official_languages_by_country&diff=2559108&oldid=2558143 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_official_languages_by_country&diff=2557966&oldid=2557295 User:Vergina 07:15, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC) --------------------- == My listing on your 'vandalism' page == I see I have been listed on your page, although as I always link to "FYR Macedonia" I don't see your problem, perhaps you could explain why you are acting this way? User:Grunners 15:26, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=List_of_European_countries_by_GDP&oldid=7408845 ::1. as of mid-2004: free trade agreements between the EU, the EFTA, Turkey, Mexico, Chile, South Africa, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia,... User:Vergina 17:20, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::Fixed. This was copied from its 'parent' article, and therefore the mistake was copied over. However, I am always careful to distinguish between the country and the area, especially as being British I often have to correct errors where users have confused Great Britain, the British Isles, the UK etc. :::However you feel about the issue, listing these links as "vandalism" is rather immature and foolish, as firstly 'vandalism' is the wrong word entirely, and secondly it would be far more useful if you ''actually changed the errors you find''. User:Grunners 19:00, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) Ok. User:Vergina 19:50, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) == softly softly == Hi. Regarding the FYROM/ROM "debate". I've requested that the name of the article debate be re-opened, but on a more general level, rather than specifically regarding FYROM. The basic policy that I feel needs to be addressed is this: Should the article on a nation/state be named based upon international recognition, or upon the name in which the nation regards itself? --User:Rebroad 21:52, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) If the latter is the chosen policy, then the next question that comes to mind that one must ask is: what happens if three nations all decide to call themselves the same thing? Regards, --User:Rebroad 21:52, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) :2 OF 3 nations have a wrong name like FYROM calls itself "Republic of Macedonia" for example. User:Vergina 23:27, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC) == 3RR == Heya, just a word of warning, you're currently on your third revert of Republic of Macedonia: Any further reverting will be a violation of the WP:3RR. If you were already aware of this rule, please ignore this message. --User:fvw*">User talk:Fvw 19:29, 2005 Jan 12 (UTC) Not 3RR! FYROM is official name of the country! *See rule: ::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Countries ::See -history-: ::See "Official Country Name(s)" ::See "(local)" name. User:Vergina 20:04, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) :The "Official Country Name" is what the country calls itself, not what others call it. See France, India and People's Republic of China for examples. -- User:ChrisO 08:48, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC) ChrisO, the 3 example you just gave show that we are using the internationally recognised naming conventions for country articles, and NOT the name used internally! Therefore, article should be named FYROM, based on your last argument! --User:Rebroad 22:24, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Umm, no... France calls itself ''R�publique fran�aise'', India calls itself ''Bhārat Ganarājya'' and China calls itself ''Zhōnghu� R�nm�n G�ngh�gu�''. The convention is to put the country's own official name in the country name box, not what others call it, hence 中华人民共和国 and ''Zhōnghu� R�nm�n G�ngh�gu�'' rather than "People's Republic of China". Do you see what I mean now? -- User:ChrisO 23:07, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::All other states have regular state names.FYROM is not regular! ::User:Vergina 23:30, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Kosovo Campaign Medal== I noticed on User:Vergina/FYROMian History vandalism of Macedonia, that you have the Kosovo Campaign Medal listed as a vandalism article with my User name attached as an artice vandaliser. I have no idea why that would be. Its a completely NPOV article on a United States military medal, part of a much larger project to document the Awards and decorations of the United States military. Can we get this removed from your list? Thank you. -User:Husnock 16 Jan 2005 :The article Kosovo Campaign Medal has been corrected to the proper link for the Republic of Macadonia. Please take this article off of your "list". I would also highly suggest renaming the title of that list, as it looks like you are accusing people of vandalism. You could also, of course, simply correct the links as you find them instead of having a negative sounding list of other Wikipedia users. From what I've seen on the site, I am not the first person to be somewhat offended from finding my User Name on a list of "article vandalism". Please think about it. -Husnock ::User:Vergina/FYROMian History vandalism of Macedonia is my statistic! ::User:Vergina 07:01, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC) --- Thanks for reverting the vandalism on the Greece page. The comment says it is FYROMian vandalism. How do you know? The content of the vandalism itself is not specific to FYROM. There are a lot of jerks out there who vandalize for all sorts of stupid reasons.... --User:Macrakis 12:33, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==FYROMIAN NATIONALISM-VANDALISM== http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Macedonia&oldid=11993686 http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Greece&diff=0&oldid=12383194 User:Vergina 06:06, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Republic of Macedonia disambigs== ~~Please stop reverting these disambigs as vandalism. They are not.~~ Nevermind, my mistake. --brian0918">User:Brian0918™">User talk:Brian0918 05:43, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) == "Μακεδόνες" == "Μακεδόνες" Μια μικρή υπενθύμιση για την ψηφοφορία που διεξάγεται στο http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll. Χωρίς την ψήφο μας, θα επικρατήσει το "Μακεδόνες". Με δεδομένη την όλο και ευρύτερη χρήση του Wiki σε όλο τον κόσμο, αξίζει τον κόπο να μην το επιτρέψουμε. Απλά και μόνο για το γαμώτο της υπόθεσης.--User:Theathenae 16:58, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) == urgent poll == Poll There is a poll in the talk page of Macedonian Slavs article here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Macedonian_Slavs#The_poll Some people are lobbying for changing the article's name to Macedonian without any qualifier. As it seems, a number of these people come from the Macedonian/Macedonian Slav wikipedia project. It seemed only fair to attract the attention of people possibly from the other side of the story. I hope that this message is of interest to you, if not please accept my apologies.User:Newcomer 10:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vergina

Vergina (in Greek language Βεργίνα) is a town in northern Greece, in the district of Imathia in the province of Central Macedonia. It is about 13km south-east of the district centre of Veroia and about 80km south-west of Thessaloniki, the capital of Greek Macedonia, on the foothills of Mount Pieria (2,193m). It has a population of about two thousands. The town is close to the site of ancient Aigai, once the royal capital of ancient Macedon. The town became internationally famous in 1977, when the Greek archaeologist Manolis Andronikos unearthed what he claimed was the burial site of the kings of Macedon, including the tomb of Philip II of Macedon, father of Alexander the Great. Although the identification of Philip II as one of the kings buried there has been disputed, there is no doubt that the site is of great archaeological importance. The larnax (Archaeology) (gold casket) which Andronikos identified as containing the remains of Philip II has a symbol of a sun or star on its lid, and this Vergina Sun has been adopted as a symbol of Greek Macedonia. It therefore became the subject of international controversy in 1991 when the newly independent Republic of Macedonia used the symbol on its flag. This outraged Greek nationalist sentiment, which saw the use of the symbol as implying a territorial claim to Greek Macedonia. In 1995 Macedonia agreed to drop the use of the symbol. Archaeologists were interested in the hills around Vergina as early as the 1850s, knowing that the site of Aigai was in the vicinity and suspecting that the hills were burial mounds. Excavations began in 1861 under the French archaeologist Leon Heuzey. Parts of the Macedonian royal palace were discovered. The excavations were abandoned because of the risk of malaria. In 1937 the University of Thessaloniki resumed the excavations. More ruins of the ancient palace were found, but the excavations were abandoned on the outbreak of war with Italy in 1939. After the war the excavations were resumed and during the 1950s and 1960s, and the rest of the royal capital was uncovered. Manolis Andronikos became convinced that a hill called the "Great Tumulus" (in Greek, Μεγάλη Τούμπα) concealed the tombs of the Macedonian Kings. In 1977 Andronikos undertook a six-week dig at the Tumulus and found four buried chambers which he indentified as tombs, hitherto undisturbed. Three more were found in 1980. Excavations continued through the 1980s and '90s. Andronikos maintained that one of the tombs was of Philip II, and another was of Alexander IV of Macedon, son of Alexander the Great. This has now become the firm view of Greek archaeologists and the Greek government, but some other archaeologists dispute this identification. A large quantity of works of art, many in gold, were removed from the tombs. These included the larnax with the Sun of Vergina on the lid, which Andronikos maintains contained the cremated remains of Philip II. These treasures were temporarily housed in the Thessaloniki Archeological Museum. Recently they were returned to Vergina and installed in a museum which has been built inside the Great Tumulus, and is one of the finest examples of modern museology. ''Note: Most published sources will say that the larnax and portraits shown above are in the Thessaloniki Archaeological Museum. These sources are out of date. The larnax and portraits are now in the Great Tumulus museum at Vergina. This story from the Greek newspaper ''Kathemerini'' confirms that the larnax and other Vergina treasures are now in Vergina.'' [http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_28644676_29/09/2003_34591 Vergina display enriched] ==See also== * Vergina Sun ==External links== *http://whc.unesco.org/sites/780.htm *http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21117a/e211qa04.html *http://www.kzu.ch/fach/as/aktuell/2000/04_vergina/verg_09.htm *http://www.kzu.ch/fach/as/aktuell/2000/04_vergina/verg_04.htm Ancient Greece Ancient Macedon Cities and towns in Greece World Heritage Sites in Greece

Vergina

Photos will be added to this article when the Wikipedia upload facility is working again. User:Dr Adam Carr 16:20, 4 Oct 2003 (UTC) This ist not original macedonian symbol ! THIS IST FYROMs folgery !! User:Vergina 19:37, 10 Oct 2003 (UTC) See Thessaloniki museum: *http://www.kzu.ch/fach/as/aktuell/2000/04_vergina/verg_04.htm User:Vergina 08:29, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC) :Vergina, you can show me all the websites in the world, but they are out of date, and you are WRONG. I was in both Thessaloniki and Vergina last year. I went to the Museum in Thessaloniki. I said "where is the casket from Vergina?" They said: "It is not here now, it is in the new museum at Vergina." So I went to Vergina, on the bus via Veroia, and there it was, in the new museum built under the Great Tumulus. Why won't you believe me? Now here is a new website which I suggest you look at, which shows quite clearly that I am right: http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_28644676_29/09/2003_34591 OK? User:Adam Carr 08:57, 11 Oct 2003 (UTC) FYROM,the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia,as Republic of Macedonia is fabrik for folgery Greek history,Greek culture,Greek geography and Greek symbols Macedonians!See Greek Macedonian symbol "Vergina Sun",Philip II king of Macedonia and Alexander the Great king of Macedonia !!!---User:Vergina 11:04, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC) to xero to xero. just don't vandalise the page ok? User:Adam Carr

Vergina

. *Axiom:Wikipedia cannot be more objectively than admins! *One cannot delete facts & History. ---------------------------- *Herodot book IX,45(Kalliopi) & Alexander I king of Macedonia: \"Had I not greatly at heart the common welfare of Greece, I should not have come to tell you; but I am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery.\" *Herodot book IX,45(Kalliopi) Macedonian original language: 45.Οι δε έπει ταύτα ήκουσαν, αυτίκα είποντο ες τάς φύλακας. Άπικομένοισι δε έλεγε Αλέξανδρος τάδε' "Άνδρες Αθηναίοι, παραθήκην υμίν τα έπεα τάδε τίθεμαι, απόρρητα ποιεύμενος προς μηδένα λέγειν υμέας άλλον ή Παυσανίην, μη με και διαφθείρητε� ου γαρ αν έλεγον, ει μη μεγάλως έκηδόμην συναπάσης της Ελλάδος� αυτός τε γαρ Έλλην γένος ειμί τώρχαίον, και άντ' ελευθέρης δεδουλωμένην ουκ αν έθέλοιμι όραν την Ελλάδα. Λέγω δε ων ότι Μαρδονίω τε και τη στρατιή τα σφάγια ου δύναται καταθύμια γενέσθαι" πάλαι γαρ αν έμάχεσθε� νυν δε οι δέδοκται τα μεν σφάγια εάν χαίρειν, άμα ήμέρη δε διαφωσκούση συμβολήν ποιέεσθαι' κα-ταρρώδηκε γαρ μη πλέονες συλλεχθήτε, ως εγώ εικάζω. Προς ταύτα ετοιμάζεστε. ην δε άρα υπερβάληται την συμβολήν Μαρδόνιος και μη ποιήται, λιπαρέετε μένοντες� όλιγέων γαρ σφι ήμερέων λείπεται αιτία. Ην δε υμίν ο πόλεμος όδε κατά νόον τελευτήση, μνησθήναί τίνα χρή και έμέο έλευθερώσιος περί, ός Ελλήνων είνεκα έργον ούτω παράβολον έργασμαι υπό προθυμίης, έθέλων υμίν δηλώσαι την διάνοιαν την Μαρδονίου, ίνα μη έπιπέσωσι υμίν εξαίφνης οι βάρβαροι μη προσδεκομέ-νοισί κω. Ειμί δε Αλέξανδρος ό Μακεδών." Ό μεν ταύτα είπας άπήλαυνε οπίσω ες το στρατόπεδον και την έωυτού τάξιν. ------------------------------ *Macedonia is Greek word! *User:Vergina/Greeks in Krushevo ------------------------------ *User:Vergina/EU Council rejects the FYROM desired name *User:Vergina/The Bulgarian anthem of FYROM *User:Vergina/VMRO is Bulgarian organization *User:Vergina/USKUB,Nov. 1915:Prisoners Serbs:Prisoners Bulgars!Not Fyromians *User:Vergina/FYROM is South Serbia province \\"Vardarska Banovina\\" *User:Vergina/\\"Republic of Macedonia\\" is the falsification of Macedonia *User:Vergina/FYROMs falsification of UNO Document 95-27866 *User:Vergina/The state name Republic of Makedonia is disputed ----------------------------------------------------------- *User:Vergina/Greek coins for Macedonian Symbol Vergina Sun http://www.bankofgreece.gr/en/Banknotes/100drs.htm *User:Vergina/Macedonians, who participated in the Olympics at Olympia� *User:Vergina/The region took its name from the inhabitants, the Macedonians or Makednoi ----------------- *User:Vergina/Macedonia around 450 before Christ ------------- *User:Vergina/Contribution for article *User:Vergina/Temp ------------------------ *'''User:Vergina/Marshal Tito's nationalism over Macedonia *User:Vergina/People in Kosovo Vilayeti citys 1911 Justin McCarthy and J.Dennis Hyde \"Ottoman Imperial and Provincial Salnames\" See Skopje,the capital city of Kosovo in 1911 ----------------- *User:Vergina/Is extremism in FYROM individual phenomenon? --------------------- *User:Vergina/Greek coins of Macedonia -------- *User:Vergina/Herodotus and the Early Greeks ------------------------ *User:Vergina/Alexander I King of Macedonia *Alexander I King of Macedonia:'''"...but I am myself a Greek by descent, and I would not willingly see Greece exchange freedom for slavery." "...I am Alexander I of Macedon"!'' *See HERODOTUS:http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_herodotus_9.htm ------------------ *User:Vergina/Arrianos anabasis book :anabasis book II,14 ;anabasis book I,16 ---------------------------- *User:Vergina/Pausanias:book Iliaka;book Phokika *...In my days the members of the Amfictionia were 30: 6 from each of Nikopolis, Makedonia and the Thessalians...\". *Pausanias:book Iliaka ,VIII,10,11.Pausanias,book Phokika:VIII.4.5 ---------------------- *\"...there were representatives from Aitoloi, Acarnanes,Macedonians, people Homoglosoi\" homoglossoi (speaking the same language) ;Tito Livius XXXI 29,15 (64 BC-17 AD) --------------- *Isokratis Orator, 436-338 BC : (Isocratis To Philippos,127):Zitat:"It is your privilege, as one who has been blessed with untrammeled freedom, to consider all Hellas your fatherland, as did the founder of your race. *Isocrates, Speeches and Letters, \"To Philip\", 5.8: Isocrates to Philip (Philipp II) "As I continued to say many things of this tenor, those who heard me were inspired with the hope that when my discourse should be published you and the Athenians would bring the war to an end, and, having conquered your pride, would adopt some policy for your mutual good. Whether indeed they were foolish or sensible in taking this view is a question for which they, and not I, may fairly be held to account; but in any case, while I was still occupied with this endeavor, you and Athens anticipated me by making peace before I had completed my discourse; and you were wise in doing so, for to conclude the peace, no matter how, was better than to continue to be oppressed by the evils engendered by the war. [8] But although I was in joyful accord with the resolutions which were adopted regarding the peace, and was convinced that they would be beneficial, not only to us, BUT ALSO TO YOU AND ALL THE OTHER HELLENES, I could not divorce my thought from the possibilities connected with this step, but found myself in a state of mind where I began at once to consider how the results which had been achieved might be made permanent for us, and how our city could be prevented from setting her heart upon further wars, after a short interval of peace." *Isocrates,Speeches and Letters, \"To Philip\", 5.139 - 5.140: �Now I am not unaware that many of the Hellenes look upon the King's power as invincible. Yet one may well marvel at them if they really believe that the power which was subdued to the will of a mere barbarian--an ill-bred barbarian at that--and collected in the cause of slavery, could not be scattered by A MAN OF THE BLOOD OF HELLAS, of ripe experience in warfare, in the cause of freedom--and that too although they know that while it is in all cases difficult to construct a thing, to destroy it is, comparatively, an easy task. Bear in mind that the men whom the world most admires and honors are those who unite in themselves the abilities of the statesman and the general. When, therefore, you see the renown which even in a single city is bestowed on men who possess these gifts, what manner of eulogies must you expect to hear spoken of you,when AMONG ALL THE HELLENES you shall stand forth as a statesman who has worked for the good of Hellas, and AS A GENERAL WHO HAS OVERTHROWN THE BARBARIANS?" ------------------------------ *Polybios VII 9, 1-3 200-120 BC : Zitat:"...Annibas put himself under oath to Xenophanis (embassador of Philippos II), in front of the all gods that Macedonia and the rest of Hellas have...." ---------- *Polybios V 103, 9 : Zitat:"...Agelaos from Nafpaktos was the first to address to the king (Philippos V) and the present allies, wishing to stop the wars between Hellenes..." -------------------- *Polybios IX 35, 2 Zitat:"...how could the Macedonians be honoured, for spending their time, with no pause, in fighting the barbarians for the Hellenes' safety, cause who knows the kind danger that would have been for the Hellenes if it wasn't for the Macedonians' fence and their kings pride?..." --------------------- *Polybios IX 37, 7 Zitat:"...back then you were fighting for hegemony and glory with the Achaioi and Macedonians, people of the same tribe, and their hegemon Philippos..." *Polybius Book 7 The oath is taken in the presence of Zeus, Here, and Apollo: of the gods, Hercules, and Iolus: of Ares, Triton, Poseidon: of the gods that accompany the army, and of the sun, moon, and earth: of rivers, harbours, waters: of all the gods who rule Macedonia and the rest of Hellas: of all the gods of war that are witnesses to this oath. ------------------------ *Polybios XXVIII 8, 9 Zitat:"...among the embassadors the king of Macedonia Perseas sent to the kingdom of Illyria, to agree to an alliance against the Romans, was an embassador of Illyrian origin who knew the Illyrian gloss..." ---------------------------------------- *Plutarchus, parallel lives, \"Alexander\", 17.4 : "While he was thus deliberating what to do, it happened that a spring of water near the city of Xanthus in Lycia, of its own accord swelled over its banks, and threw up a copper plate upon the margin, in which was engraven in ancient characters, that the time would come, when the Persian empire should be destroyed by the GRECIANS. ENCOURAGED by this accident, he proceeded to reduce the maritime parts of Cilicia and Phoenicia" ------------------ *[Plutarchus, Parralel lives, \"Alexander\", 16.17,18] "And that the Grecians might participate the honor of his victory, he sent a portion of the spoils home to them, particularly to the Athenians three hundred bucklers, and upon all the rest he ordered this inscription to be set: "Alexander the son of Philip, and the Grecians, except the Lacedaemonians, won these from the barbarians who inhabit Asia." ------------------------------ *STRABO, GEOGRAPHY, 17.1.12-13: "Three classes inhabited the city: first the Aegyptian or native stock of people, who were quick-tempered and not inclined to civil life; and secondly the mercenary class, who were severe and numerous and intractable [...]; and, third, the tribe of the Alexandrians, who also were not distinctly inclined to civil life, and for the same reasons, but still they were better than those others, for even though they were a mixed people, STILL THEY WERE GREEKS BY ORIGIN AND MINDFUL OF THE CUSTOMS COMMON TO THE GREEKS\". --------------------- *STRABO, FRAGMENTS OF BOOK VII: "There remain of Europe, first, Macedonia and the part of Thrace that are contiguus to it and extend as far as Byzantium; secondly, Greece; and thirdly, the Islands that are close by. Macedonia, of course, is a part of Greece, yet now, since I am following the nature and shape of the place geographically, I have decided to classify it apart from the rest of Greece and to join it with that part of Thrace [...]" ---------------------------- http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/vor?type=phrase&alts=0&group=typecat&lookup=Greek&collection=Perseus:collection:Greco-Roman ... , Herodotus: A Dorian writing in the Ionic Greek dialect (3), Herodotus: Dorian, Barbarian and Greek ... [Reference article in Perseus Encyclopedia] (10.35) ----------------- *User:Vergina/Greek people *Achaians *Aeolians *Dorians *Ionians ::Polybios 38.1-3.8:The 38th book contains the completion of the disaster of the Hellenes. ::"For though both the whole of Greece and her several parts had often met with mischance, yet to none of her former defeats can we more fittingly apply, the name of disaster with all it signifies than to the events of my own time. ...In the time I am speaking of a common misfortune befell the Peloponnesians, the Boiotians, the Fokians, the [Eub]oians, the Lokrians, some of the cities on the Ionian Gulf, and finally the Macedonians." ------------------------ "Alexandros observed that his soldiers were exhausted with their constant campaigns. ... The hooves of the horses had been worn thin by steady marching. The arms and armour were wearing out, and the Hellenic clothing was quite gone. They had to clothe themselves in materials of the barbarians,..." (Diodoros of Sicily 17.94.1-2) ----------------------------------- *User:Vergina/Interim Accord between the Greece and the FYROM -------------------------- *Scupi,to day Skopje,is the capital city of the romans province Moesia!Not Macedonia. *Uskub,to day Skopje,is the capital city of the Ottoman province Kosovo!Not Macedonia. *Skoplije,to day Skopje,is the capital city of the serb province Vardarska banovina!Not Macedonia. ------------------------------------------------------ *User:Vergina/FYROMian History vandalism of Macedonia ------------------------------------- February 26, 1992: The '''FYROM's President Kirov Gligorov, at an interview by the Foreign Information Service daily report, Eastern Europe, stated: "We are Slavs, who came to the region in the sixth century. We are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians.''' ----------------------------------

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