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Vatican City — formally known as the State of the Vatican City or Vatican City State (Latin: ''Status Civitatis Vaticanæ'' and Italian: ''Stato della Città del Vaticano'') — is a sovereign landlocked enclave surrounded by Rome, Italy. The modern-day home of the popes, it is the smallest independent state in the world in terms of area and population. Its borders are coextensive with the Holy See, the ecclesiastical seat of the Roman Catholic Church and its Eastern Rite. The Head of State is the Pope; the Head of Government are the Cardinal Secretary of State and Governor of Vatican City (sometimes referred to as the President of Vatican City). Currently, they are Pope Benedict XVI of Germany, Angelo Cardinal Sodano of Italy and Edmund Cardinal Szoka of the United States, respectively. The governance of the Holy See is separate, consisting of the Roman Curia in turn consisting of members of the College of Cardinals. The Heads of Government are concurrently agents of the Roman Curia. The city takes its name from ''Mons Vaticanus'', also known as Vatican Hill. ''Mons Vaticanus'' and the adjacent Vatican Fields upon which St. Peter's Basilica and its Sistine Chapel, Apostolic Palace and museums were built, predates Christendom. {| border=1 align=right cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=300 style="margin: 0 0 1em 1em; background: #f9f9f9; border: 1px #aaaaaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" |+Status Civitatis Vaticanæ
Stato della Città del Vaticano
| align="center" colspan="2"| {| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 style="background:#f9f9f9; text-align:center;" | align="center" width="130px" | | align="center" width="130px" | |- | align="center" width="130px" | (Flag of the Vatican City) | align="center" width="130px" | (Coat of Arms of the Vatican City) |} |- | align=center colspan=2 | ''National motto: None'' |- | align=center colspan=2 style="background:#f9f9f9;" | |- |Official language || Latin1 |- |Capital || Vatican City2 |- |Pope || Pope Benedict XVI |- |Cardinal Secretary of State|| Angelo Cardinal Sodano |- |Governor of Vatican City|| Edmund Cardinal Szoka |- |Area
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 - % water |List of countries by area
1 E9 m2
Negligible |- |Population
 - Total (2004)
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921
2093/km² |- |Independence
 - Date |Lateran treaties
11 February 1929 |- |Currency || Euro (€) |- | Time zone
 - in European Summer Time | Central European Time (Coordinated Universal Time+1)
Central European Summer Time (Coordinated Universal Time+2) |- | National anthem || Inno e Marcia Pontificale |- | Top-level domain || .va |- | List_of_country_calling_codes || +379 |- |colspan="2"| 1 Italian language is commonly used.
2 Vatican City is a city-state.
|} ==History== It is supposed that this originally uninhabited part of Rome (the ''ager vaticanus'') had always been considered sacred, even before the arrival of Christianity. In 326 the first church, Constantine's basilica, was built over the supposed site of the tomb of Saint Peter, and from then on the area started to become more populated. Popes in their secular role gradually extended their control over neighbouring regions and, through the Papal States, ruled a large portion of the Italy peninsula for more than a thousand years until the mid 19th century, when most of the territory of the Papal States was seized by the Italian unification Kingdom of Italy. In 1870, the Pope's holdings were further circumscribed when Rome itself was annexed. Disputes between a series of "prisoner" popes and Italy were resolved on February 11, 1929 by three Lateran treaties, which established, under Mussolini, the independent state of the Vatican City and granted Roman Catholicism special status in Italy. In 1984, a new concordat between the Holy See and Italy modified certain provisions of the earlier treaty, including the primacy of Roman Catholicism as the Italian state religion. ==Government== Vatican City is considered a non-hereditary elective monarchy with a sovereign that wields absolute authority. The monarch exercises supreme legislative, executive and judicial power not only over Vatican City but also over the coextensive Holy See. The monarch is the Pope, election for a life term in conclave by Cardinal (Catholicism) under the age of 80. The Pope appoints cardinals to seats in the Roman Curia with specific authority to administer Vatican City. The chief executive is the Governor of Vatican City (often called the President of Vatican City). He is given the duties normally assigned to a premier or prime minister in other countries. The chief executive of the larger Roman Catholic Church is the Secretary of State, specifically responsible for the foreign relations of Vatican City. Legislative power is given to the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State — members are appointed by the Pope to terms of five years. The term "Holy See" refers to the composite of the authority, jurisdiction, and sovereignty vested in the Pope and his advisors to direct the worldwide Roman Catholic Church. As the "central government" of the Roman Catholic Church, the Holy See has a legal standing that allows it to enter into treaties as the juridical equal of a state. The Pope delegates the internal administration of the Vatican City to the Pontifical Commission for the State of the Vatican City. The legal system is based on canon, or ecclesiastical, law; if canon law is not applicable, the laws of the city of Rome apply. During a sede vacante (papal vacancy), the Camerlengo, former Secretary of State, and former President of the Pontifical Commission form a commission that performs some of the functions of the head of state; while another made up of the Chamberlain and three cardinals (one being chosen by lot every three days from each order of cardinals), performs other functions of the head of state. All decisions of these commissions must be approved by the College of Cardinals. Created in 1929 to provide a territorial identity for the Holy See in Rome, the State of the Vatican City is a recognized national territory under international law. On this basis, the Holy See enters into international agreements and both receives and sends diplomatic representatives. Due to the very limited territory of the Vatican state, foreign embassies to the Holy See are located in the Italian part of Rome; Italy actually hosts its own Embassy of Italy! The Holy See is a permanent observer in the United Nations, and in July, 2004, gained all the rights of full membership except voting. According to Archbishop Celestino Migliore, Holy See Permanent Observer, "We have no vote because this is our choice." He added that the Vatican considers that its current status "is a fundamental step that does not close any path for the future. The Holy See has the requirements defined by the UN statute to be a member state and, if in the future it wished to be so, this resolution would not impede it from requesting it." [[Image:VaticanCityentrance.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The main entrance to Vatican City from the top of St. Peter's Basilica, surrounded by Rome.]] ===Administration of the Vatican City=== The Pope delegates the internal administration of the Vatican City to the Pontifical Commission for the State of the Vatican City. The Vatican City maintains the Swiss Guards - a voluntary military force, as well as a modern security corps. It has its own post office, commissary (supermarket), bank, railway station, electricity generating plant, and publishing house. The Vatican also Vatican euro coins and stamps and controls its own internet domain (.va). Radio Vatican, the official radio station, is one of the most influential in Europe. L'Osservatore Romano is the semi-official newspaper, published daily in Italian, and weekly in English, Spanish, Portuguese, German, and French (plus a monthly edition in Polish). It is published by Catholic laymen but carries official information. ===Administration of the Holy See=== The Pope rules the Holy See through the Roman Curia and the Papal Civil Service. The Roman Curia consists of the Secretariat of State, nine Congregation (Roman Curia), three Ecclesiastical courts, 11 Pontifical Councils, and a complex of offices that administer church affairs at the highest level. The Secretariat of State, under the Cardinal Secretary of State, directs and coordinates the Curia. The current incumbent, Angelo Cardinal Sodano, is the Holy See's equivalent of a prime minister. Archbishop Giovanni Lajolo, Secretary of the Section for Relations With States of the Secretariat of State is the Vatican's foreign minister. Sodano and Lajolo served in their respective roles under Pope John Paul II and were then reappointed to those same roles by Pope Benedict XVI. Among the most active of the major Curial institutions are the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which oversees church doctrine; the Congregation for Bishops, which coordinates the appointment of bishops worldwide; the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples, which oversees all missionary activities; and the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, which deals with international peace and social issues. Three tribunals are responsible for judicial power. The Apostolic Penitentiary deals with matters of conscience; the Sacra Rota is responsible for appeals, including annulments of marriage; and the Apostolic Signatura is the final court of appeal. The Prefecture for Economic Affairs coordinates the finances of the Holy See departments and supervises the administration of the Patrimony of the Holy See, an investment fund dating back to the Lateran Pacts. A committee of 15 cardinals, chaired by the Secretary of State, has final oversight authority over all financial matters of the Holy See, including those of the Institute for Works of Religion, the Vatican bank. ==Photos of St. Peter's Basilica and Square==
Image:San Pietro Basilica.jpg|St. Peter's Basilica Image:Vatican.jpg|St. Peter's Square Image:Vatican City.jpg|The Egyptian obelisk in St. Peter's Square
==Geography== The Vatican City, one of the European microstates, is situated on the Vatican Hill in the north-western part of Rome, several hundred metres west of the Tiber river, on the latter's right bank. Its borders (3.2km in total, all with Italy) closely follow the city wall constructed to protect the Pope from outside attack. The situation is more complex at the famous Saint Peter's Square in front of the St. Peter's Basilica, where the correct border is the middle of the round area surrounded by Gian Lorenzo Bernini's columns. It is the smallest sovereign state in the world at 0.44 km² (108.7 acre). According to the Lateran Treaties, certain Properties of the Vatican of the Holy See, although not being part of the territory of the City State, enjoy the privilege of extraterritoriality (e.g. Major Basilicas, Curial and diocesan offices, Castel Gandolfo). The Pope is the Head of State, though he governs through the Pontifical Commission for the State of Vatican City. Its climate is naturally the same as Rome's; a temperate, Mediterranean climate with mild, rainy winters from September to mid-May and hot, dry summers from May to September. == Economy == Euro_coins.">Image:1e vat.jpg|right|frame|Vatican ¬1 Euro coins. Budget: Revenues (2003) $252 million; expenditures (2003) $264 million. Industries: printing and production of few mosaics and staff uniforms; worldwide banking and financial activities. This unique, non-commercial economy is also supported financially by contributions (known as Peter's Pence) from Roman Catholics throughout the world, the sale of postage stamps and tourist mementos, fees for admission to museums, and the sale of publications. The incomes and living standards of lay workers are comparable to, or somewhat better than, those of counterparts who work in the city of Rome. Vatican City has used the Euro as its currency since January 1, 2002. == Demographics == Almost all of Vatican City's 921 citizens live inside the Vatican's walls. The Vatican citizenry consists mainly of clergy, including high dignitaries, priests, nuns, as well as the famous Swiss Guard, a volunteer military force. There are also about 3,000 lay workers who comprise the majority of the Vatican work force, but who reside outside the Vatican. The official language is Latin, the otherwise extinct language that originated in Rome and has remained in use in the Roman Catholic Church. Italian language and, to a lesser extent, other languages are generally used for most conversations, publications, and broadcasts. German language is the official language of the Swiss Guard. A separate Vatican City citizenship exists, enabling Vatican officials to travel on Vatican passports, and giving them diplomatic status in countries to which they are accredited. At the end of 2003 552 persons held Vatican citizenship, of whom 61 were cardinals, 346 were other clergy, 101 members of the Pontifical Swiss Guard and 44 were other lay persons. Nearly all these people were dual citizens, retaining citizenship of their own countries while working at the Vatican. Most Italians employed in the Vatican do not have Vatican citizenship. ==Foreign relations== The Holy See is the legal body that conducts diplomatic relations for the Vatican City. It maintains formal diplomatic relations with [http://www.vatican.va/news_services/press/documentazione/documents/corpo-diplomatico_index_en.html 174 sovereign states], the European Union, and the Order of Malta; 69 of these maintain permanent resident diplomatic missions accredited to the Holy See in Rome. The rest have missions with dual accreditation outside Italy, as the Holy See does ''not'' accept dual accreditation with an embassy located in Italy. It also has relations of a special nature with Russia (Mission with an Ambassador) and the Palestine Liberation Organization (Office with a Director). The Holy See maintains 179 permanent diplomatic missions abroad (106 of which are accredited to sovereign states). The diplomatic activities of the Holy See are performed by the Secretariat of State (headed by the Cardinal Secretary of State), through the Section for Relations with States. The Holy See is especially active in international organizations. The Holy See has diplomatic relations with the European Union (EU) in Brussels, it is a permanent observer of the United Nations Organization (UN), Organization of American States (OAS) in Washington, DC, Organization of African Unity (OAU), World Tourist Organization (WToO), World Trade Organization (WTO), World Health Organization (WHO), World Food Programme (WFP), United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP), United Nations International Drug Control Programme (UNDCP), United Nations Centre for Human Settlements (UNCHS), Latin Union (LU), International Organization for Migration (IOM), International Labour Organization (ILO), International Fund for Agricultural Development (IFAD), and the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO). The Holy See is also an observer on an informal basis of the World Meteorological Organization in Geneva (WMO), United Nations Committee of Peaceful Use of Outer Space (UNCOPUOS), International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (ISDR), International Maritime Organization (IMO), African Asian Legal Consultative Committee (AALCC) and the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO). The Holy See is a member of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), International Telecommunication Union (ITU), International Telecommunication Satellite Organization (ITSO), World Intellectual Property Organization (WIPO), Universal Postal Union (UPU), International Institute for the Unification of Private Law (UNIDROIT), United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR), United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), International Grains Council (IGC), International Committee for Military Medicine (ICMM), International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), and the Preparatory Commission for the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty Organization (CTBTO). [''Source: 2002 Holy See official website''] In 1971, the Holy See announced the decision to adhere to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty in order to "give its moral support to the principles that form the base of the treaty itself." The Holy See is also a participating state in the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe: it is a guest of honour to the Parliamentary Assembly of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Furthermore, the Holy See has a delegate to the Arab League in Cairo (AL). == Culture == The Vatican City is itself of great cultural significance. Buildings such as St. Peter's Basilica and the Sistine Chapel are home to some of the most beautiful art in the world, which includes works by artists such as Sandro Botticelli, Gian Lorenzo Bernini and Michelangelo. The Vatican Library and the collections of the Vatican Museums are of the highest historical, scientific and cultural importance. The permanent population of the Vatican City is predominately male, although two orders of nuns live in the Vatican. A minority are senior Catholic clergy; the remainder are members of religious orders. Many workers in the Vatican City live outside its walls, including the Swiss Guard and embassy personnel. Men, and especially women, must adhere to strict dress codes. Citizenship can be achieved by stable residence and by holding an office or job within the city. Tourism is an important factor in the daily life of the Vatican. The Pope leads weekly mass and other services, and appears on religious holidays such as Easter. ==Transport and communications== The Vatican City has no airports. There is one heliport and a 852 m standard gauge (1435 mm) railway that connects to Italy's network at Rome's Saint Peter's station. The railway is used only to transport freight. A newspaper, ''L'Osservatore Romano'', publishes daily in Italian language, weekly in English language, Spanish language, French language, German language, Portuguese language, and monthly in Polish language. The City is served by an independent, modern telephone system and post office. A bit of conventional wisdom in Rome is that international mail dropped in a mailbox in the Vatican will reach its destination more quickly than one dropped only a few hundred meters away in an Italian mailbox. The Vatican (which has its own country code, ''.va'') has an official website, radio station, and satellite TV channels. == Miscellaneous topics == * Military of the Vatican City * Foreign relations of the Vatican City * Prisoner in the Vatican * Music of the Vatican City == External links == * [http://www.vatican.va/ The Vatican official website] - * *[http://www.stpetersbasilica.org stpetersbasilica.org] Largest online source for St. Peter's in the Vatican * [http://www.gratisweb.com/fotogian/vaticano.html Some photos] - Text is in Italian * [http://www.hot-maps.de/europe/italy/vatican/homeen.html Map of Vatican City] * [http://www.biblelight.net/vatican.htm What does the word VATICAN mean?] European microstates European countries Holy cities Monarchies Special territories Vatican City bs:Vatikan la:Civitas Vaticana zh-min-nan:Vaticano nds:Vatikaan simple:Vatican City

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==Extra-territorial property of the Holy See== The following statement is not correct: '' In addition to Vatican City the State includes certain extra-territorial properties in Italy belonging to the Holy See (Major Basilicas, Curial and diocesan offices, Castel Gandolfo).'' Reason: According to the Lateran Treaties these extra-territorial properties are part of the Italian territory. It "happens" to be that the Holy See has the authority over the State of the Vatican City AND has extra-territorial property. But that does not mean that the State itself includes theses properties. User:143.50.212.194 16:32, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC) :If no one minds I reformulate the statement in the article. User:Gugganij 19:31, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC) ==Sports in the Vatican== Someone might make use of this article: [http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/apeurope_story.asp?category=1103&slug=Vatican%20Pope%20Sports sports in the vatican] User:Rhymeless 07:31, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC) == Why Vatican City is not a UN member? == Some clarification on this issue? If the Vatican City authorities insist that they are a state, then why do they not become FULL UN members (as ANY OTHER state, including Switzerland) - they stay only as "observer". Similar is the case with other organizations - why they are only observer to the Council of Europe and not a FULL member? WTO is another example of semi-membership. :I think it was previously impossible to be a full member without providing military support for U.N. Peace-keeping missions. That rule was bent for Switzerland, IIRC. User:Mpolo 11:55, Nov 13, 2004 (UTC) :: OK, even if so (I doubt the existence of such rule, but anyway), then when now it is bent, Vatican City has the possiblity to became full member. The question is what are the reasons that don't they use it? Well, the Vatican City is NOT even an observer to the UN, it is the Holy See, which has to be distinguished. The Vatican City is a internationally recognized state, the Holy See however is a different subject of international law (it is sovereign but NOT a country). The question of statehood is not decided by membership to UN (Switzerland became a full member of the UN just a couple of years ago). User:Gugganij 17:00, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC) :I found a relatively recent article explaining this. ::Vatican's Role at UN Expanded ::7/17/04 ::In a development that is sure to distress pro-abortion groups such as "Catholics" for a Free Choice (CFFC), the General Assembly (GA) of the United Nations last week decided unanimously to confirm and expand the status of the Vatican at the United Nations. CFFC and its allies, including International Planned Parenthood Federation (IPPF) and Marie Stopes International, have been engaged in a multi-year campaign to have the Vatican ousted from the UN, a campaign that now seems dead and buried. ::The GA document adopted last week was the first major clarification of the prerogatives of the Vatican as "permanent observer state," which has held this status at the UN since 1964. Not only did the General Assembly endorse the long-standing role of the Vatican, it decided to grant it new privileges, "in order to enable the Holy See to participate in a more constructive way in the Assembly's activities," according to a UN press release. ::Perhaps most importantly, the Holy See will now possess the right to participate in the general debate of the GA, the right to circulate documents and the right to reply in debates. One diplomat told C-FAM that the Holy See's status could now be likened to a "full member state, just without the vote." ::According to Archbishop Celestino Migliore, the Holy See's Permanent Observer to the UN, the Holy See sought this enhanced Observer status so that it could remain neutral, asserting that, "We have no vote because this is our choice." At the same time, Archbishop Migliore emphasized that the decision "is a fundamental step that does not close any path for the future. The Holy See has the requirements defined by the UN statute to be a member state and, if in the future it wished to be so, this resolution would not impede it from requesting it." ::No country dissented to the GA decision. The GA President Julian Robert Hunte, Saint Lucia's Minister for External Affairs, took a personal interest in the Holy See's draft resolution, and introduced the document to the GA as his own text, which represents a highly unusual show of support. ::After the decision, Archbishop Migliore proclaimed that it "marked an important step forward, and reflects the lofty values and collective interests shared by the Holy See and the United Nations. We are committed to the same objectives that necessitate the protection of fundamental human rights, the preservation of the dignity and worth of the human person and the promotion of the common good." He concluded that he looked forward to "an ordered international community built upon the strong edifice of law — a law not of whim and caprice, but of principles stemming from the very universality of human nature." ::The GA decision appears to represent a significant fundraising setback for CFFC. CFFC president Frances Kissling, who usually seeks out the media spotlight, has yet to comment publicly on the decision. The "See Change Campaign" for the Vatican's removal, however, remains prominently displayed on the CFFC website. ::(This article from Catholic Family and Human Institute. [http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=31&art_id=24569]) :So, the Holy See simply chooses to participate without a vote. User:Mpolo 17:25, Nov 14, 2004 (UTC) :It looks like a double bonus for the Vatican - they get exactly what they want, despite the rules ("We don't have voting right, becouse WE choose so"), they get much more priviledges (rights, reserved for states) than other religious entities AND they don't get all obligations that member states have (full membership fees, conditions for participation in other organizations like WTO - trade memorandum, etc.). And about "we don't want to vote, becouse we keep neutrality" - they can preserve neutrality like the other states - vote "abstain". ::There is a difference between chosing not to have voting power and always voting "abstain". The latter shows neutrality in the past and presence, the former shows neutrality for the future. == Santa Sede == On top of the table there was the (italian) name for the Holy See (''Santa Sede''). This is not correct, the Holy See and Vatican-City are two different entities, therefore I deleted it. --User:Gugganij 23:02, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) == Language == 1.Is it sure that all guards speak German? In Switzerland French and Italian are also used... 2.Latin is maybe the offical language, but c'mon - are they REALY using it at a day-to-day basis? This issue should be clarified - maybe something like "Offical language is Latin, but de facto the mostly used is Italian. The Switzerland guards speak also German and French". And also - is Italian offical too, or not? :Well, as far as I know the official language of the Swiss guard is just German. But I assume that most guards speak the other languages of Switzerland as well. User:Gugganij 00:57, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::The official language of the Swiss Guard is German, but they must also speak Italian (and I think English as well). The "official" language of the Vatican is Latin, but Italian has all but replaced it in day-to-day life. (The ATM still has the option of Latin, though. A few years ago, it was only in Latin. Someone reprogrammed it to be four modern languages, and the priest in charge of care for the Latin language insisted that it be made 5-language, with Latin as the default option.) When a bishop chooses to speak in Latin at a Synod (as Cardinal Re and a bishop from Lithuania, I believe, did recently), there is generally a scramble for the earphones for simultaneous translation. User:Mpolo 10:57, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC) == featured article nomination == I think that before this article gets this status most of the comments from the talk page should be represented somehow on the main page... ==Discrepancy in the wiki== The side box lists Vatican City as the 193 in the list of countries by population. However on that page is isn't even mentioned. What to do about this? User:Jackliddle 17:14, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC) : Its now mentioned in the list and I have corrected the side box User:Jackliddle 21:58, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Who's in charge? == Pope John Paul II is dead, therefore the Sovereign is vacant. There is no Secretary of State since Angelo Cardinal Sodano lost his position the moment the Pope died. (User:Alphaboi867 20:20, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)) I believe that the Camerlengo acts as head of state of the Vatican until a successor is elected. But I am not sure of this - the article states that he is ''not'' head of the church itself, or in charge of the Holy See. But the Vatican is separate. does anybody know? User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 21:00, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC) The article now says that the secretary of state and the president of the Commission lost their posts but that they're running things by virtue of their ''former'' posts? That makes no sense at all. Please provide concrete evidence that they lost office. User:NoPuzzleStranger 23:43, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Subparagraph 13(c) of [http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_22021996_universi-dominici-gregis_en.html ''Universi Dominici Gregis''] establishes a commission made up of, "the Cardinal Camerlengo and the Cardinals who had formerly held the offices of Secretary of State and President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State". The commission is charged with several things, including setting up the election, carrying out any instructions left by the old pope, paying the Vatican's bills, etc. User:Gentgeen 23:55, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Thanks. I see those are new regulations - it hasn't been that way in any previous vacancy. User:NoPuzzleStranger 00:43, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Vatican a Christocracy== User:ABCD why are you trying to suppress the view of the vatican and millions of catholics the world over without discussion? Are you perhaps an Anti-Papist? If so I can understand how much this perspective must disgust you, but we must not let our pesonal feelings allow us to override our journalistic reportage. Our job is simply to report. The fact is millions of catholics believe what I had inserted i.e. that Christ is the head of the Vatican State (the homeland of the Catholic Church) and the Pope is simply Christ's Majordomo. At least wait until the 9 days of mourning is over before suppressing it as a sign of respect for those who hold this view. You can at least do that can't you?User:81.158.104.155 21:28, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) :I agree with User:ABCD. According to the http://www.vatican.va/vatican_city_state/legislation/index.htm Fundamental Law of the State of Vatican City Paragraph 1.1, 'Der Papst besitzt als Oberhaupt des Vatikanstaates die Fülle der gesetzgebenden, ausführenden und richterlichen Gewalt.'[http://www.vatican.va/vatican_city_state/legislation/documents/scv_doc_20001126_legge-fondamentale-scv_ge.html], in Italian, 'Il Sommo Pontefice, Sovrano dello Stato della Città del Vaticano, ha la pienezza dei poteri legislativo, esecutivo e giudiziario.'[http://www.vatican.va/vatican_city_state/legislation/documents/scv_doc_20001126_legge-fondamentale-scv_it.html]. The Pope is ''Oberhaupt'' and ''Sovrano''. I would say he's ''Sovereign'' in English. Reverting. User:Tobyox 21:45, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC) One might further add that historically, any country that claimed "divine right of kings" could be claimed to be a "Christocracy" under this ridiculous reading. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 22:02, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) To John K. I don't see how the divine right of kings can be interpreted as holding the keys given Peter. Anyway, ridiculous as the reading sounds it is still a valid view held by millions. User:81.158.104.155 22:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) To Toybox. To assume two words in different languages with the same root from hundreds and hundreds of years ago have the same meaning is a mistake, but yes a Majordomo is a kind of sovereign but not a King and the Monarch is really Christ, with the pope as prime minister in the place of Peter. The point is that the Pope is simply Majordomo over the house of the king. There is not a catholic alive who could say otherwise (i.e. The Pope is King). User:81.158.104.155 22:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) :It's ''Tobyox'', btw. Oxford English Dictionary's first definition of 'sovereign' is 'One who has supremacy or rank above, or authority over, others; a superior; a ruler, governor, lord, or master (of persons, etc.).' It should be clear from the law mentioned above that the Pope exercises all ''sovereign'' authorities in the Vatican City State - legislative, judicial, and executive. 'Sovereign' ''does not'' equal 'King'. There is no mention of Christ in the law itself, only in the dating of it. 'Majordomo means', again according to the OED, 'The chief official of an Italian or Spanish princely household. Subsequently also (in accordance with later Italian and Spanish use): the head servant of a wealthy household in a foreign country; a house-steward, a butler.' The person closest to this description in the Vatican is the Cardinal Camerlengo. My point is ''not'' that 'Oberhaupt' and 'Sovrano' have the same origins (that would be linguistically difficult for 'Oberhaupt', anyway), but that they signify the same authority as 'sovereign' does in English. Your suggestion that User:ABCD is an 'Anti-Papist' is a breach of Wikipedia:Assume good faith, btw. User:Tobyox 13:20, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC) To anyone who cares. It is a pity that yet again wikipaedians choose to censor a legitimate and harmless/peaceful POV rather than report it. Yet I am sure if I were to say some people think Jesus was probably a bastard the same wikipaedians would defend the reportage of such a polemic POV. The bias is disgraceful.User:81.158.104.155 22:59, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) :FWIW, I'm Catholic and have never heard the head of Vatican City described as Christ. The head of the Church, yes, but of Vatican City? Bizarre. User:81.158.104.155, can you point to any references at all to Christ as sovereign of a city-state? -User:Benwbrum 03:28, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::Are you ok? http://www.georgefox.edu/discernment/petrine.pdf :::Well, at which part of the document are you exactely referring to? I cannot find anything backing the assumption that Christ is regarded by the Catholic church to be the head of the Vatican City state. User:Gugganij 00:09, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::And what bearing does a paper about ecumenism by a Quaker professor that never even mentions Vatican City have on this discussion? -User:Benwbrum 02:19, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) User 81.158.104.155 keeps on claiming that the idea that Christ is the head of state of the Vatican is a "valid view held by millions." He has yet to cite a source for this rather unlikely claim. Until he does so, I see no reason to discuss this further. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 03:41, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Date of independence == Three dates of independence are given, among which 1990-10-03. I can't find why this date is given as a date of independence. A reference to the Lateran treaties is given, but there I don't see any reference to 1990. Suspiciously, 1990-10-03 is also the date of German reunification... Anyone knows what's going on? - User:81.83.81.57 09:43, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Vatican Coat of Arms== On the death of a Pope, the coat of arms changes temporarily until the conclave elects a new Pope, the mitre being replaced with a closed parasol - there is a graphic of this available on Wikipedia, but it's in black and white and rather low quality. So, a couple of thoughts ; do we change the coat of arms on this page for the few days until the conclave finishes its business - and if so, where can we get hold of a good quality colour image of the current coat of arms. The Vatican's website has one, but I dare say it's probably copyrighted. - User:Zaphod Beeblebrox 11:32, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Does the Vatican City State's coat change? I know the Holy See's does. Can anybody verify this? User:Pmadrid 23:45, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::It does not change. --User:Gerald Farinas 03:49, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::My bad. - User:Zaphod Beeblebrox 10:17, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC) == French an official language? == I have never heard that French is an official language of the Vatican City. Where is it documented? User:85.124.40.194 10:11, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Maybe somebody thought that because the delegates to Pope John Paul II's funeral were seated by the French spelling of their country it was an official language. Which of course it isn't; French is only the traditional language of diplomacy. (User:Alphaboi867 18:42, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)) ::Well, that's what I thought as well. I am going to remove it. User:85.124.40.194 21:47, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Vatican mail == Is the following statement really true? '' Vatican and Italian stamps can be used interchangibly.'' As far as I know Vatican stamps can just be used inside the Vatican city and on extraterritorial property of the Holy See but NOT in Italy. User:Gugganij 12:51, 26 May 2005 (UTC) :As the person who added that, I have to admit that I'm not certain on it; I'll take it out. I'm reasonably sure that Italian stamps are good in Vatican mailboxes, which is what I was trying to say. :It ''is'' true that the Vatican mail has a better reputation than the Italian mail, especially for international letters. I stayed for three weeks at the American Academy in Rome; it was considered polite to put up a note in the lobby if you were planning on going to the Vatican the next day so that people could give you their letters to drop in the Vatican mailbox. --User:Jfruh 17:06, 26 May 2005 (UTC) ::I didn't doubt at all that the reputation of the Vatican postal system is far better, than that of the Italian one. User:Gugganij 21:06, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

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