THERE

I agree with speedy deltion, but not the reason: THEIR and THERE are both words!

There

''There'' is a MMOG created by Will Harvey and Jeffrey Ventrella in 1998. There, Inc. had more than 80 employees during its development phase. Some consider There to be a chat room where role-playing is diminished in comparison to other MMORPGs; however, to many players its primary function is as more than simply a tool for socialization or chat. It can be a totally immersive alternate world, complete with custom vehicles and even homes. Participants choose an Avatar (virtual reality), socialize, play sports and racing games, construct houses, ramps, and game venues, or simply explore the immense and tremendously varied cyber-landscape. Development of clothing, vehicles, and furniture is possible for any willing participant. Builders and painters can earn online money, called Therebucks, by creating and selling their wares. Members can sell their therebucks to any one of the 3rd party online "banks" in exchange for a real currency, usually USD. People are able to buy therebucks from a "bank" at a lower rate than ''There'' itself, usually. See therebucks for a list of monetary exchanges. There was owned and operated by Forterra Systems Inc.. In April 2005, There was "spun-off" as an independent company with its assets held by Makena Technologies - headed by CEO Michael Wilson and President/COO Steve Victorino. == External links == * [http://www.there.com/ There.com] * [http://info.there.com/ ThereCare] - Official announcements and help site * [http://www.forterrainc.com/ Forterra Systems Inc.] * [http://www.there.com/pr_acquisition.html Press release on There's website: Mackena Technologies Acquires There from Forterra Systems] * [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Makena+Technologies%22&hl=en&lr=&start=0&sa=N Google Search on Makena Technologies] * [http://www.lifeinthere.com Life in There] - news site * [http://www.therevoice.com The Voice of There] - news site * [http://www.thereuniverse.com There Universe] - forum * [http://www.all-there.com/allthere.html All-There.com] - links * [http://wikithere.com WikiThere] - wiki encyclopedia about There * [http://www.ventrella.com/There/index.html The Birth of There] by Jeffrey Ventrella Virtual reality communities Massively multiplayer online games

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== May 2004 Announcement == 216.76.203.58 has removed "There Universe" as well as "Caldera Sun Times", even after others have added it back. 216.76.203.58 has also added "rumors", such as this one, found in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=There&diff=5027815&oldid=5024995 this change]: :''In May of 2004, the company released a shocking announcement to the membership saying it would no longer develop the consumer version of There. While a small core of dedicated users continue in There, membership is for the most part dwindling as users seek other online destinations.'' I hope this does not continue. --User:The Inedible Bulk 03:03, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC) :Turns out, the two ips who had added this information were both owned by the same guy (resolved to *.bhm.bellsouth.net) and he lives in Gadsden Alabama. It's not NPOV, he once owned the Motu Eagle (which he had edited to be "DISCONTINUED PUBLICATION"), and he is known as Evan on the SoThere forums, which you can note by how he removed ThereUniverse's forums. Another note of interest is CST's removal, which wouldn't normally be removed, unless it was by someone who happens to not like CST.
:Thanks, Sherlock out. --User:The Inedible Bulk 06:00, Aug 9, 2004 (UTC) :: 213.157.97.21, who is probably the same person, just came back and added: :::''In May of 2004, the company released an announcement to the membership saying it would no longer develop the consumer version of There. While a small core of dedicated users continue in There, membership is for the most part dwindling as users seek other online destinations.'' ::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=There&oldid=5275715 That version] got reverted as "unsubstantiated". Part of that paragraph is true, though. The company did make [http://www.calderasuntimes.net/cstmos/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=144 that announcement]. What is unsubstantiated is the claim that the membership is dwindling. User:Ponder 03:13, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC) Oh lookie what I found [http://www.livefortheone.com/thereforum/showthread.php?t=3109&highlight=wikipedia on that So-There forum] which never got vandalized, while the there universe one was repeatedly deleted. Just thought it was interesting reading. May contain clues. Any thoughts?--User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 04:08, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC) == Copyvio? == There's an anon blanking the article and claiming copyvio. Is this vandalism or true? And also, could this be considered fair use? User:Ilyanep— Ilγαηερ">User:Ilyanep (Tαlκ)">User talk:Ilyanep 17:58, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Never mind. It appears to be vandalism (besides the article is fair use, right? It's not pasted from the site) User:Ilyanep— Ilγαηερ">User:Ilyanep (Tαlκ)">User talk:Ilyanep 18:00, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::The copyvio anon is from the same IP range as the "theresucks" vandal. User:GuanacoUser talk:Guanaco 18:13, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) ==Blocked User:203.186.154.141== I just gave User:203.186.154.141 a 24-hour block. Seemed like a reasonable response at this point. User:Bryan Derksen 21:52, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Thanks. He'll be back, though. If he continues, could you please protect this page? User:supadawg_-_">User:Supadawg|User:supadawg - 22:17, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::I think that may be what he wants, based on some of those edit summary comments. I've watchlisted the page, if I see an anon vandalizing it in the future I'll see if banning him at every opportunity will work and still allow the page to be edited. I'll protect if that doesn't work well, though. User:Bryan Derksen 22:31, 15 Aug 2004 (UTC) ==There Logo== There Inc. is very particular on who is allowed to display their logo. I don't know if it's within fair use to put their logo on the page without their permission. What's wikipedia's policy on use of company logos? User:Ponder 02:13, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) :It has the SM trademark, I believe that's the equivalent of copyright. Should we email them? User:supadawg_-_">User:Supadawg|User:supadawg - 02:21, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::It is perfectly within the bounds of fair use. We are using their servicemark ''nominatively''. The use of their copyrighted work is fair use because: ##It is used here educationally to comment on ''There''. Also, no money is being made from its use here. ##The circular logo is a simple design, and the text is not even copyrightable. ##The entire logo is used, but the work is small and could not be sold in itself. ##Its use here would have no negative effect on their business and could only draw interest towards their site. If similar use of this logo were widespread (such as by Wikipedia mirrors), it would not hurt There, Inc. ::— User:GuanacoUser talk:Guanaco 05:57, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) == Vandalism == I still see the vandal's version "Caldera Suck-Times" on the page on some page loads. I tried to do a revert to fix it, but it looks like I can't edit the page right now. Is there something up with the wikipedia servers? It seems like sometimes when you load the page it's correct and sometimes you get the vandal version. :( User:Mescad 18:36, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) :It may be that the old vandalized version is still in your cache. Try force-reloading; in Mozilla that's done by holding down the shift key when clicking the reload button, I don't know what other browsers use offhand. User:Bryan Derksen 23:32, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::We were clearing our caches, and people who had never visited the page before were seeing it. The problem seems to be fixed now. User:Ponder 23:50, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::God I can't wait for levels of protection. It will be the ultimate revenge. The vandal stated "you have to protect this page to get me to stop", so the levels would do just that, but it wouldn't stop real wikipedians from editing. Score. --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 04:03, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC) :::Vandal is using proxies. [http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=212.253.2.203&do_search=Search] --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 23:13, Aug 19, 2004 (UTC) ::::I'll ban 'em as I see 'em. Take heart in the fact that he's wasting way more of his time at this than any of us are and when it's all over he'll have nothing to show for his efforts. User:Bryan Derksen 00:09, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC) == ThereGlobal == I want to detail this list of events with commentary. *(cur) (last) 23:01, Aug 24, 2004 80.58.50.42 (added weblink) : The link to ThereGlobal was added by that IP. (RIPE ISP: Telefonica de Espana SAU) *(cur) (last) 02:56, Aug 25, 2004 The Inedible Bulk m (relocate ThereGlobal) *(cur) (last) 02:58, Aug 25, 2004 The Inedible Bulk m (There in the News - refix) : I moved ThereGlobal from Fansites to Newspapers *(cur) (last) 16:53, Aug 25, 2004 Ponder (There Based Newspapers - ThereGlobal is dormant) : Ponder marked ThereGlobal as dormant with "No updates since may 21st" *(cur) (last) 20:58, Aug 25, 2004 216.47.253.233 (my fansite is not dormant - nor is it a newssite. stop vandalising my addition please. if my site is dormant, the there site should be labeled as such too. now please stop vandalisng my websites entry) : Person has a different IP than the original poster and claims site to be his. (ARIN ISP: Choice One Communications Inc) :::''(In that same edit, they moved the "no updates" text up next to the external link for There.com, which I removed in my next edit User:Ponder 00:14, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC))'' *(cur) (last) 21:23, Aug 25, 2004 Ponder (It certainly looks like a news site with its final issue on May 21st. Not really relevant to this article anymore; external links are for people seeking current information on the topic.) : Ponder marks site to be deleted in the future if it remains dormant, in hidden tags. *(cur) (last) 15:12, Aug 26, 2004 216.47.253.233 : Same user who claims to own ThereGlobal proceeds to attempt vandalization with Goatse image. *(cur) (last) 15:14, Aug 26, 2004 Grunt m (rv) : Grunt Reverts. :: --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 23:53, Aug 26, 2004 (UTC) ::: Ponder is adding his own personal issues and repeatedly attacking & deleting thereglobal.com because it isnt updated enough to his liking. (why does he care that one of the sites listed isnt updated, when most of the other sites arent either?). He claims its because the main page hasnt been updated since may, on that logic, neither have any of the sites except for the 3 news sites listed. Including There.com. If you really want to remove thereglobal.com, be my guest, but treat them fairly and remove all the other sites listed that arent regularly updated. There are plenty of sites linked on here that havent updated in even longer time, yet Ponder thinks its his personal vendetta to remove one, but ensure that another stays...*IT IS PAINFULLY OBVIOUS THAT THIS PONDER GUY IS WORKING FOR ONE OF THE SITES OR COMPANIES LISTED, AND IS TRYING TO USE WIKIPEDIA TO FURTHER HIS OWN PERSONAL GAIN. Again, LEAVE THE PERSONAL ISSUES OUT OF WIKIPEDIA, PONDER. if you remove thereglobal.com remove the other links to pages that havent been updated since may. -- User:193.128.219.152 | User_talk:193.128.219.152 | Special:Contributions/193.128.219.152 15:18, 2004 Aug 27 (UTC) :::: The owner of thereglobal is a citizen of the United States, while you are a citizen of the United Kingdom [http://www.ripe.net/perl/whois?form_type=simple&full_query_string=&searchtext=193.128.219.152&do_search=Search]. Thinly veiled attempts to fool get you nowhere. --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 20:18, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC) well, where the owner of the thereglobal is from is not mattering. It does seem to be, for some reason this person who keeps editing, ponder, does not like thereglobal and is making rules to it for to be updated more often, but not for other links to be updated more often (like his sites maybe?). I dont know who is from where, but who is right as someone Ponder is taking it to himself to put down rules for thereglobal.com to be listed but rules that do not apply to others (his site maybe?) it seems to me like someone using wiki to hurt his competition. Is there a person who does not have interest who could decide and apply to all and not single out this one website for deleting? this ponder person looks to be working for someone and not being honest i think. perhaps talk to bodhi to find out who is ponder and why he is not liking thereglobal. Maybe remove all of them. Or leave them all alone. Thank you. --User:61.120.16.106 | User_talk:61.120.16.106 | Special:Contributions/61.120.16.106 21:22, Aug 27, 2004 (UTC) :Eeergh... I ''hate'' it when there are two people who disagree on some matter, and one of them accuses the other one of having a hidden agenda. It's annoying and very immature. I hear second-graders doing this, and the only difference is that adults are able to express it using larger words and terser accusations. Although I can't speak for Ponder, I'm guessing that he doesn't simply dislike thereglobal.com, it is just out of date. As he said, people visiting Wikipedia need up-to-date information. :Don't you hate it when you visit a web page, and at the bottom it says "Last updated June 2nd, 1996"? It's been my experience most people do. I think the link should be kept, but with a message saying that it's slightly out-of-date. User:supadawg_-_User_talk:Supadawg">User:Supadawg|User:supadawg - User talk:Supadawg 21:35, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::I agree. Mescad and I talked, we will leave any 'news' sites which have not been updated in less than 45 days in the "Fansites" section. I think this is a suitable compromise. P.S. The user changed the name of this section and I've undid that. Bans look very fun. --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 00:33, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC) :::P.S. 61.120.16.106 is in Japan. Amazing how this IP suddenly has a great opinion. Oh wait, that's because it's a proxy. My bad. Evading bans? --User:The Inedible Bulk User_talk:The_Inedible_Bulk 00:39, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC) :::User:The Inedible Bulk stuck my name in his post, so I just wanted to write to confirm that I indeed had that conversation. I think that if a site hasn't been updated for more than 45 days, it no longer qualifies as a "News" fansite. It's still a fansite though, so we can just move it down to the Fansites section. Anyone disagree with this policy? User:Mescad 02:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) == Herman the Dog == There is a little edit war happening between two anons over the insertion of a link to the webcomic "[http://www.hermanthedog.net Herman the Dog]". The one who keeps deleting it might have personal motives for deleting "Herman", but I have to agree with the other non-involved wikipedians who have cleaned out the excess links. Wikipedia is not a link collection. External links in articles should go to references that provide some measure of encyclopedic information about the article subject. There are plenty of fuzzy cases in wikipedia, and some of them might be already in this article, but as far as "Herman" goes, I don't think a webcomic that happens to be set in ''There'' is going to add very much to the reader's knowlege of the subject. Sorry, HowlinWolf. :( And to the anon who has been deleting the link: please stop lying in the edit summary about the changes you made. You're not fooling anyone. User:Ponder 18:53, 2004 Dec 8 (UTC) == Wikipedians group in There == Are there any Thereians who are also Wikipedia:Wikipedians? I've created a [http://webapps.prod.there.com/clubs/clubs?op=home&id=362674196 group] in There for us. :) User:Ponder 22:40, 2005 Apr 11 (UTC)

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