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[[Image:System of a Down.jpg|right|thumb|300px|System of a Down (circa 2002) left to right: Serj Tankian, Shavo Odadjian, Daron Malakian and John Dolmayan]] System of a Down are an alternative metal band from Glendale, California, USA consisting of Serj Tankian (vocals, keyboards), John Dolmayan (drums), Daron Malakian (guitar, vocals) and Shavo Odadjian (bass), and known for their distinctive dress styles and goatee. All four members are of Armenians ancestry, and many of their songs are about Armenian political and social issues (such as the Armenian Genocide). ==History, style and influences== System of a Down use a wide range of instruments, including baritone electric guitars, electric mandolins, sitars, 12-string classical guitars and many other East Asian instruments. Their main influence is noticeably the veteran heavy metal bands Black Sabbath and Slayer, but they also draw on punk rock, jazz, jazz fusion, Armenian folk music, classic rock, blues, and industrial metal. The band enjoyed moderate success with their first singles, "Sugar", "Suite-Pee" and "Spiders", from their debut album ''System of a Down''. However, their big break came from their critically acclaimed second album, ''Toxicity (album)'', which debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and Canadian charts, eventually going multi-platinum. The album was #1 in America on the week of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Their first big hit was the controversial "Chop Suey!", released in the late summer of 2001. System of a Down received constant airplay in the United States throughout late 2001 and 2002 with their hits, "Chop Suey!", "Toxicity", "Aerials", off their second album, ''Toxicity'', and "Innervision" off their third album, ''Steal This Album!''. Their third album, containing songs from the ''Toxicity'' recording sessions that didn't feel right for Toxicity were released as ''Steal This Album!''. Early recordings of most of the songs had leaked out onto the internet and were well received by the fans resulting in the subsequent release. There are five different designs of the album available. One version of the CD resembles a CD-R that was labeled with a marker pen, and the other four featured designs by individual band members. In 2004, the band recorded two brand new albums for release in 2005 that are being released approximately 4 to 6 months apart from each other. They are ''Mezmerize'' and ''Hypnotize''. ''Mezmerize'' was released in the United States, United_Kingdom and Europe on May 17 2005, and was released in Australia on May 22 2005, while ''Hypnotize'' will be released approximately four to six months after. The dates and order of release for these two albums were somewhat controversial among fans and fan sites in early 2005, as some believed that the release was to be in the opposite order and the first one was to come out in April. In early January, 2005, a new track called "Cigaro" was purposefully leaked onto the internet to praise from fans, followed by the release of the single "BYOB"(Bring Your Own Bombs), which is working its way up the North American singles charts. ''Mezmerize'' immediately shot up to the top of the US charts, making it the group's second consecutive number-one debut. First week sales rocketed to over 800,000 copies worldwide, with the album debuting at #1 in over a dozen other countries, including Canada, Japan, Australia, Germany, and France. Initial critic reviews have been overwhelmingly favorable. ==Nu metal or not?== A common debate amongst fans of the band - and heavy metal fans in general - is the topic of the band's genre: Are they nu metal (a term which to some people brings negative connotations), or is their music better described as simply heavy metal? Vocalist Serj Tankian said in an interview he thought the band could not be placed in any specific genre. It is argued by some that System of a Down rarely feature guitar solos, use simple guitar riffs and have typical nu metal song structure (verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus), and thus should be considered a nu metal band. These arguments are counteracted by the fact that they have not included rapping in any of their songs (though they made the songs ''Shame on a Nigga'' with Wu-Tang Clan and ''Feel Good'' with (Hed) P.E.), a typical, if not defining, characteristic of nu metal, but instead use occasional screams and growls that are typical of death metal. Another typical component of nu metal, the Phonograph, is not part of the band's instrumentation. System of a Down have been labelled as nu metal by fans and media since their incarnation. This can be attributed to the release of their first album, which occurred during the nu metal boom of the mid-to-late 1990s. In addition, the band toured with Ozzfest, a festival that features many up and coming metal bands, including some nu metal acts. Guitarist Daron Malakian was quoted in the magazine Guitar World as saying that he was glad that System of a Down had not slipped into the nu metal genre. ==Members== * Serj Tankian - Vocalist & Keyboard instrumentist * Daron Malakian - Guitar & Vocals * Shavo Odadjian - Bass guitar * John Dolmayan - Drums ===Previous members=== * Andy Khachaturian - Drums ==Discography== ===Albums=== #''System of a Down (album)'' (30 June 1998) #124 US #''Toxicity (album)'' (4 September 2001) #1 US, #13 UK #''Steal This Album!'' (26 November 2002) #15 US, #56 UK #''Mezmerize'' (17 May, 2005) #1 US, #2 UK #''Hypnotize'' (11 September, 2005) ===Single (music)=== * "Sugar (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Suite-Pee (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Spiders (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1999) * "War?" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (2000) * "Chop Suey!" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2001) #76 US, #17 UK * "Toxicity (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) #70 US, #25 UK * "Aerials (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) #55 US, #34 UK * "Psycho (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Innervision" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2002) * "Boom!" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "I-E-A-I-A-I-O" from Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "B.Y.O.B. (Bring Your Own Bombs)" from ''Mezmerize'' (2005) #27 US ===Music video=== * "Sugar" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Spiders" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1999) * "War?" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (2000) * "Metro" from "Dracula 2000 Soundtrack" (circa 2000) * "Chop Suey!" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2001) * "Aerials" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Toxicity" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Boom!" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "B.Y.O.B." from ''Mezmerize'' (2005) ==External links== *[http://www.systemofadown.com/ Official Website] *[http://dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/S/Sy/System_of_a_Down/ System of a down] at DMOZ *[http://www.systemofadownonline.com/ Fan Website] *[http://www.soadfans.com/ SOADFans - Large Community Fan Website] *[http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/S/System-Of-A-Down.html System of a Down Lyrics Collection] *[http://forums1.sonymusic.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=8581093&f=278109551 Official Forums] *[http://www.soad-life.de/ Soad-Life.de German Fanpage] *[http://toxicice.com/ Toxic Ice unofficial System of a Down related forum] *[http://music.yahoo.com/promos/systemofadown/ "Yahoo! Music" System of a Down's Artist of the Month Page] 1990s music groups American musical groups Armenian musical groups Heavy metal musical groups
It seems that everyone links to this article here on wikipedia for the Father Armeni reference. Is this valid? As far as I can google there is not another mention of Father Armeni or his poem anywhere on the internet. Have you guys started an urban(wikipedian) myth? User:N3m6 :A simple google query revealed to me this page: http://www.answers.com/topic/system-of-a-down it mentions Father Armeni. Also, can someone confirm that the band were going to call themself P.L.U.C.K? I read this a long time ago somewhere. Oh and please sign your posts with a timestamp. User:Opiax 16:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) ----------------- Why is Chop Suey controversial? --User:Sam Francis :My guess is that it had something to do with the lyrics "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide", which may have been deemed inappropriate particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Someone should confirm this before adding to the article, though. --User:Iceager 05:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::Ah, [http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/milner.php] explains it. It is to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks, ''Toxicity (album)'' was released the week before and as well as lyrics that must have seemed directly relevant, Serj also made (controversial) comments: [http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/soad/speech.html#wtc]. This should be mentioned here, but explained in detail at the Toxicity page, I think, since it was so relevant to the album release. --User:Sam Francis ---- I can't seem to find anything linking 'Chop Suey!' to Lynn Strait of Snot (band). I was wondering if anyone out there could find any evidence like an interview with Serj. I can't. Admittedly, the lyrics seem to leave open the possibility of it being a tribute to Lynn but I'm skeptical that "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide" has anyting to do with Lynn's death. It seems odd that SOAD would connect Lynn's death in a car accident with any phrase mentioning suicide. -->User:Chemical Halo 22:37, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC) ---- Are we sure about [Chop Suey!]'s origin? I thought it was simply a play on the word "suicide," since that was considered too controversial a title for the song. :I think I'll remove that part, since no one replied and it seems made up, to me. User:MrHate 02:51, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) ==Genre== I think the debate about SOAD being nu metal/not nu metal in the opening paragraph needs to be reviewed desperately as it makes the article as confusing as the debate itself. Currently the phrase "eclectic metal" is plastered all over the page which needs to be removed. I've never heard of "eclectic" metal and it sounds to me like something someone has made up. Any thoughts on a re-write? User:MrHate 05:50, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC) :Well... thanks for your input :P I've re-written the nu metal argument which is hopefully pretty NPOV. I also moved it out of the opening to the page because it isn't required in a short bio/history of the band. I've also removed the mention that 'System are nu metal because they use downtuned guitars'. I'd removed it previously but was added back. Almost all metal bands use downtuned guitars, nu metal or not, it is a characteristic of metal in general. Adding to that, System don't even really down tune, as most of their songs are in the (almost) standard drop D (DADGBE)... a tuning used by most rock bands as well as metal. If anyone has any comments, please let me know :) User:MrHate 02:48, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) ::They use CGCFAD. User:Nadavspi 16:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Who linked to Cigaro? == Regardless, I removed it. We don't need to get in any kind of trouble here. Still a good track. -User:Ghost Freeman 19:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) :I didn't link to it, but I'm pretty sure that link to Cigaro is an "official leak". That is, I think that site was put up by "official" sources and isn't anything illegal. I don't know this for fact, but I'm pretty sure they released it before they started their Australian tour. User:MrHate 23:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) ::And other outlets claim that Cigaro was leaked. Regardless, I think it's in the best interest of all to keep it off the article. People know where to get it. --User:Ghost Freeman 20:21, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::It is on the news site of the SOAD fansite [http://www.systemofadownonline.com SOAD Online] and I am pretty sure it is an official leak, since it is on some radio stations. --User:Biohazard 07:35, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==MESMERIZE IS FIRST== I'm getting tired of changing these edits around, So let me put this very plainly... MESMERIZE IS THE NEW SOAD ALBUM ARRIVING IN APRIL. Before changing edits that someone already edited a mere hour earlier, please check your facts. Just in case it's still not clear, here is a snippet from an interview posted on [http://www.systemofadownonline.com SOAD Online]: :''System are calling Mezmerize/Hypnotize a double album, although unlike Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, for example, the first half (Mezmerize) is due in April, followed by Hypnotize six months later.'' :''"Mezmerize" is going to have plenty of material, and we want people to sit with it before we give them the second one," frontman Serj Tankian said. I'll also add that Cigaro is not a single (as according to the same site) and while we can expect that BYOB probably will have an accompanying video, it shouldn't be listed in the article just yet as it hasn't been announced (unless it has and I've missed it) User:MrHate 03:57, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC) :Are you people insane?! I'm getting to the point where I simply cannot keep correcting the incorrect information on this article. for the last time: MESMERIZE IS FIRST AND CIGARO IS NOT A SINGLE. For anyone that needs further convincing, I have a print ad for Mesmerize including the April release date that I would be happy to scan if it means stopping the vandalism. User:MrHate 22:34, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC) ==Discussion== It has been called to my attention that some revert warring was going on here, though it seems to have died down at the moment. Please note the existence of the Wikipedia:Three Revert Rule, which I will enforce if necessary (and which applies even if you are right) by blocking editing privileges for anyone who breaks the rule. Thank you for having cited a source, Mr.Hate. Michael and anyone else involved, please cite a source for your edits. Mr.Hate's version appears to be confirmed by several sites that I have spotchecked. Thusly, I have removed "Cigaro" from the list of singles and switched the release dates of ''Hypnotize'' and ''Mezmerize'', as well as changed the spelling of the latter (which is incorrectly spelled if one is talking about the word, but that appears to be the spelling of the album for whatever reason). I was unable to confirm the release date of September 27 for ''Hypnotize''. If anyone disagrees with these edits, please cite a source. Revert warring is not allowed on Wikipedia, so if there is a dispute, we will need to discuss it here. If necessary, I'm sure the band's official webpage can be e-mailed, and they will presumably confirm whatever info has been released, and any speculation or rumors can be attributed to those who believe it. I repeat that revert warring is not allowed -- this is not a guideline or suggestion, it is a rule that governs this website and is not negotiable. User:TUF-KAT 03:11, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) :I have not changed the articles on the albums because they are protected and doing so would violate policy. If no sources are cited soon, however, I will change them appropriately. Please add sources, without commentary, just below here. (looking closer, I've found conflicting info) User:TUF-KAT 03:17, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) *''Hypnotize's release date'' **Spring: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957] **Fall: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] *''Mezmerize's release date'' **Spring: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] **Fall: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957] *''Spelling of Mezmerize'' **Mezmerize: [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166] **Mesmerize: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957], [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] *''Single status of Cigaro'' **Yes: **No: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496891/20050214/story.jhtml] Grr, someone's wrong. I'll try emailing the band's website. User:TUF-KAT 03:46, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) :As I mentioned earlier, a major print advertising campaign from Sony is underway for Mesmerize (citing an April release date). It's in an issue of Kerrang! that I have. Surely that's enough to confirm this confusion? User:MrHate 22:11, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC) ::Blabbermouth featured a story this morning that confirms a May 17 release date for Mesmerize as well as some song titles. See the article here [http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=33834] User:MrHate 22:02, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC) :::I still haven't gotten a response to my e-mail, but I find this pretty convincing. Michael, have you found anything very authoritative? I'd like to unprotect the album pages as soon as possible. User:TUF-KAT 22:26, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC) ::::Adding another link (from mtv.com) that says Cigaro is *not* a single. So far no one has listed a single source that says Cigaro is in fact a proper single. User:Nadavspi 03:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::::Well, KROQ (the station in my city) played "Cigaro" once, that's why I've always been restoring it. -- User:Mike Garcia 03:12, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::::::Please visit the 3rd link, to mtv.com which says "One of those songs, "Cigaro," was recently leaked online and became an instant hit on KROQ-FM in Los Angeles as well as other stations. Another song, \"B.Y.O.B.,\" will actually be the first single." Now, I am in no way saying that mtv is a clear, definite source, but since it is a fairly respectable source, and that article quotes the band, and we don't have any sources that say that Cigaro is a single, I think it's safe to leave it out of the article. User:Nadavspi 03:16, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::Alright, cool. Thanks for settling this :-) User:Nadavspi 03:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ---- Come on now, has anyone in the band actually said that opera is an influence on their vocal style? This sort of sounds like speculation by someone who doesn't know opera... --User:Bumhoolery 01:29, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC) ==Mesmerize singles== Seems to be a lot of singles out for Mesmerize if one were to look at the list in this article! However, BYOB is still the only single. Let me just clarify. Even if a song has been on the radio, it doesn't make it a single. Try to remember that in future :) User:MrHate 05:56, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC) ----------- Aren't they also heavily influenced by Faith No More?
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[[Image:System of a Down.jpg|right|thumb|300px|System of a Down (circa 2002) left to right: Serj Tankian, Shavo Odadjian, Daron Malakian and John Dolmayan]] System of a Down are an alternative metal band from Glendale, California, USA consisting of Serj Tankian (vocals, keyboards), John Dolmayan (drums), Daron Malakian (guitar, vocals) and Shavo Odadjian (bass), and known for their distinctive dress styles and goatee. All four members are of Armenians ancestry, and many of their songs are about Armenian political and social issues (such as the Armenian Genocide). ==History, style and influences== System of a Down use a wide range of instruments, including baritone electric guitars, electric mandolins, sitars, 12-string classical guitars and many other East Asian instruments. Their main influence is noticeably the veteran heavy metal bands Black Sabbath and Slayer, but they also draw on punk rock, jazz, jazz fusion, Armenian folk music, classic rock, blues, and industrial metal. The band enjoyed moderate success with their first singles, "Sugar", "Suite-Pee" and "Spiders", from their debut album ''System of a Down''. However, their big break came from their critically acclaimed second album, ''Toxicity (album)'', which debuted at #1 on the Billboard Hot 100 and Canadian charts, eventually going multi-platinum. The album was #1 in America on the week of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Their first big hit was the controversial "Chop Suey!", released in the late summer of 2001. System of a Down received constant airplay in the United States throughout late 2001 and 2002 with their hits, "Chop Suey!", "Toxicity", "Aerials", off their second album, ''Toxicity'', and "Innervision" off their third album, ''Steal This Album!''. Their third album, containing songs from the ''Toxicity'' recording sessions that didn't feel right for Toxicity were released as ''Steal This Album!''. Early recordings of most of the songs had leaked out onto the internet and were well received by the fans resulting in the subsequent release. There are five different designs of the album available. One version of the CD resembles a CD-R that was labeled with a marker pen, and the other four featured designs by individual band members. In 2004, the band recorded two brand new albums for release in 2005 that are being released approximately 4 to 6 months apart from each other. They are ''Mezmerize'' and ''Hypnotize''. ''Mezmerize'' was released in the United States, United_Kingdom and Europe on May 17 2005, and was released in Australia on May 22 2005, while ''Hypnotize'' will be released approximately four to six months after. The dates and order of release for these two albums were somewhat controversial among fans and fan sites in early 2005, as some believed that the release was to be in the opposite order and the first one was to come out in April. In early January, 2005, a new track called "Cigaro" was purposefully leaked onto the internet to praise from fans, followed by the release of the single "BYOB"(Bring Your Own Bombs), which is working its way up the North American singles charts. ''Mezmerize'' immediately shot up to the top of the US charts, making it the group's second consecutive number-one debut. First week sales rocketed to over 800,000 copies worldwide, with the album debuting at #1 in over a dozen other countries, including Canada, Japan, Australia, Germany, and France. Initial critic reviews have been overwhelmingly favorable. ==Nu metal or not?== A common debate amongst fans of the band - and heavy metal fans in general - is the topic of the band's genre: Are they nu metal (a term which to some people brings negative connotations), or is their music better described as simply heavy metal? Vocalist Serj Tankian said in an interview he thought the band could not be placed in any specific genre. It is argued by some that System of a Down rarely feature guitar solos, use simple guitar riffs and have typical nu metal song structure (verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge, chorus), and thus should be considered a nu metal band. These arguments are counteracted by the fact that they have not included rapping in any of their songs (though they made the songs ''Shame on a Nigga'' with Wu-Tang Clan and ''Feel Good'' with (Hed) P.E.), a typical, if not defining, characteristic of nu metal, but instead use occasional screams and growls that are typical of death metal. Another typical component of nu metal, the Phonograph, is not part of the band's instrumentation. System of a Down have been labelled as nu metal by fans and media since their incarnation. This can be attributed to the release of their first album, which occurred during the nu metal boom of the mid-to-late 1990s. In addition, the band toured with Ozzfest, a festival that features many up and coming metal bands, including some nu metal acts. Guitarist Daron Malakian was quoted in the magazine Guitar World as saying that he was glad that System of a Down had not slipped into the nu metal genre. ==Members== * Serj Tankian - Vocalist & Keyboard instrumentist * Daron Malakian - Guitar & Vocals * Shavo Odadjian - Bass guitar * John Dolmayan - Drums ===Previous members=== * Andy Khachaturian - Drums ==Discography== ===Albums=== #''System of a Down (album)'' (30 June 1998) #124 US #''Toxicity (album)'' (4 September 2001) #1 US, #13 UK #''Steal This Album!'' (26 November 2002) #15 US, #56 UK #''Mezmerize'' (17 May, 2005) #1 US, #2 UK #''Hypnotize'' (11 September, 2005) ===Single (music)=== * "Sugar (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Suite-Pee (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Spiders (System of a Down song)" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1999) * "War?" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (2000) * "Chop Suey!" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2001) #76 US, #17 UK * "Toxicity (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) #70 US, #25 UK * "Aerials (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) #55 US, #34 UK * "Psycho (System of a Down song)" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Innervision" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2002) * "Boom!" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "I-E-A-I-A-I-O" from Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "B.Y.O.B. (Bring Your Own Bombs)" from ''Mezmerize'' (2005) #27 US ===Music video=== * "Sugar" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1998) * "Spiders" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (1999) * "War?" from ''System of a Down (album)'' (2000) * "Metro" from "Dracula 2000 Soundtrack" (circa 2000) * "Chop Suey!" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2001) * "Aerials" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Toxicity" from ''Toxicity (album)'' (2002) * "Boom!" from ''Steal This Album!'' (2003) * "B.Y.O.B." from ''Mezmerize'' (2005) ==External links== *[http://www.systemofadown.com/ Official Website] *[http://dmoz.org/Arts/Music/Bands_and_Artists/S/Sy/System_of_a_Down/ System of a down] at DMOZ *[http://www.systemofadownonline.com/ Fan Website] *[http://www.soadfans.com/ SOADFans - Large Community Fan Website] *[http://lyrics.rare-lyrics.com/S/System-Of-A-Down.html System of a Down Lyrics Collection] *[http://forums1.sonymusic.com/eve/ubb.x?a=frm&s=8581093&f=278109551 Official Forums] *[http://www.soad-life.de/ Soad-Life.de German Fanpage] *[http://toxicice.com/ Toxic Ice unofficial System of a Down related forum] *[http://music.yahoo.com/promos/systemofadown/ "Yahoo! Music" System of a Down's Artist of the Month Page] 1990s music groups American musical groups Armenian musical groups Heavy metal musical groups
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It seems that everyone links to this article here on wikipedia for the Father Armeni reference. Is this valid? As far as I can google there is not another mention of Father Armeni or his poem anywhere on the internet. Have you guys started an urban(wikipedian) myth? User:N3m6 :A simple google query revealed to me this page: http://www.answers.com/topic/system-of-a-down it mentions Father Armeni. Also, can someone confirm that the band were going to call themself P.L.U.C.K? I read this a long time ago somewhere. Oh and please sign your posts with a timestamp. User:Opiax 16:58, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) ----------------- Why is Chop Suey controversial? --User:Sam Francis :My guess is that it had something to do with the lyrics "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide", which may have been deemed inappropriate particularly after the September 11, 2001 attacks. Someone should confirm this before adding to the article, though. --User:Iceager 05:11, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::Ah, [http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0141/milner.php] explains it. It is to do with the September 11, 2001 attacks, ''Toxicity (album)'' was released the week before and as well as lyrics that must have seemed directly relevant, Serj also made (controversial) comments: [http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/soad/speech.html#wtc]. This should be mentioned here, but explained in detail at the Toxicity page, I think, since it was so relevant to the album release. --User:Sam Francis ---- I can't seem to find anything linking 'Chop Suey!' to Lynn Strait of Snot (band). I was wondering if anyone out there could find any evidence like an interview with Serj. I can't. Admittedly, the lyrics seem to leave open the possibility of it being a tribute to Lynn but I'm skeptical that "I don't think you trust in my self-righteous suicide" has anyting to do with Lynn's death. It seems odd that SOAD would connect Lynn's death in a car accident with any phrase mentioning suicide. -->User:Chemical Halo 22:37, 2005 Jan 14 (UTC) ---- Are we sure about [Chop Suey!]'s origin? I thought it was simply a play on the word "suicide," since that was considered too controversial a title for the song. :I think I'll remove that part, since no one replied and it seems made up, to me. User:MrHate 02:51, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) ==Genre== I think the debate about SOAD being nu metal/not nu metal in the opening paragraph needs to be reviewed desperately as it makes the article as confusing as the debate itself. Currently the phrase "eclectic metal" is plastered all over the page which needs to be removed. I've never heard of "eclectic" metal and it sounds to me like something someone has made up. Any thoughts on a re-write? User:MrHate 05:50, Jan 28, 2005 (UTC) :Well... thanks for your input :P I've re-written the nu metal argument which is hopefully pretty NPOV. I also moved it out of the opening to the page because it isn't required in a short bio/history of the band. I've also removed the mention that 'System are nu metal because they use downtuned guitars'. I'd removed it previously but was added back. Almost all metal bands use downtuned guitars, nu metal or not, it is a characteristic of metal in general. Adding to that, System don't even really down tune, as most of their songs are in the (almost) standard drop D (DADGBE)... a tuning used by most rock bands as well as metal. If anyone has any comments, please let me know :) User:MrHate 02:48, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC) ::They use CGCFAD. User:Nadavspi 16:51, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Who linked to Cigaro? == Regardless, I removed it. We don't need to get in any kind of trouble here. Still a good track. -User:Ghost Freeman 19:21, 3 Feb 2005 (UTC) :I didn't link to it, but I'm pretty sure that link to Cigaro is an "official leak". That is, I think that site was put up by "official" sources and isn't anything illegal. I don't know this for fact, but I'm pretty sure they released it before they started their Australian tour. User:MrHate 23:21, Feb 3, 2005 (UTC) ::And other outlets claim that Cigaro was leaked. Regardless, I think it's in the best interest of all to keep it off the article. People know where to get it. --User:Ghost Freeman 20:21, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::It is on the news site of the SOAD fansite [http://www.systemofadownonline.com SOAD Online] and I am pretty sure it is an official leak, since it is on some radio stations. --User:Biohazard 07:35, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==MESMERIZE IS FIRST== I'm getting tired of changing these edits around, So let me put this very plainly... MESMERIZE IS THE NEW SOAD ALBUM ARRIVING IN APRIL. Before changing edits that someone already edited a mere hour earlier, please check your facts. Just in case it's still not clear, here is a snippet from an interview posted on [http://www.systemofadownonline.com SOAD Online]: :''System are calling Mezmerize/Hypnotize a double album, although unlike Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, for example, the first half (Mezmerize) is due in April, followed by Hypnotize six months later.'' :''"Mezmerize" is going to have plenty of material, and we want people to sit with it before we give them the second one," frontman Serj Tankian said. I'll also add that Cigaro is not a single (as according to the same site) and while we can expect that BYOB probably will have an accompanying video, it shouldn't be listed in the article just yet as it hasn't been announced (unless it has and I've missed it) User:MrHate 03:57, Feb 23, 2005 (UTC) :Are you people insane?! I'm getting to the point where I simply cannot keep correcting the incorrect information on this article. for the last time: MESMERIZE IS FIRST AND CIGARO IS NOT A SINGLE. For anyone that needs further convincing, I have a print ad for Mesmerize including the April release date that I would be happy to scan if it means stopping the vandalism. User:MrHate 22:34, Mar 2, 2005 (UTC) ==Discussion== It has been called to my attention that some revert warring was going on here, though it seems to have died down at the moment. Please note the existence of the Wikipedia:Three Revert Rule, which I will enforce if necessary (and which applies even if you are right) by blocking editing privileges for anyone who breaks the rule. Thank you for having cited a source, Mr.Hate. Michael and anyone else involved, please cite a source for your edits. Mr.Hate's version appears to be confirmed by several sites that I have spotchecked. Thusly, I have removed "Cigaro" from the list of singles and switched the release dates of ''Hypnotize'' and ''Mezmerize'', as well as changed the spelling of the latter (which is incorrectly spelled if one is talking about the word, but that appears to be the spelling of the album for whatever reason). I was unable to confirm the release date of September 27 for ''Hypnotize''. If anyone disagrees with these edits, please cite a source. Revert warring is not allowed on Wikipedia, so if there is a dispute, we will need to discuss it here. If necessary, I'm sure the band's official webpage can be e-mailed, and they will presumably confirm whatever info has been released, and any speculation or rumors can be attributed to those who believe it. I repeat that revert warring is not allowed -- this is not a guideline or suggestion, it is a rule that governs this website and is not negotiable. User:TUF-KAT 03:11, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) :I have not changed the articles on the albums because they are protected and doing so would violate policy. If no sources are cited soon, however, I will change them appropriately. Please add sources, without commentary, just below here. (looking closer, I've found conflicting info) User:TUF-KAT 03:17, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) *''Hypnotize's release date'' **Spring: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957] **Fall: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] *''Mezmerize's release date'' **Spring: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] **Fall: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957] *''Spelling of Mezmerize'' **Mezmerize: [http://www.947thezone.com/Article.asp?id=69166] **Mesmerize: [http://www.soadonline.net/], [http://www.garageradio.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=957], [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] *''Single status of Cigaro'' **Yes: **No: [http://www.systemofadownonline.com/], [http://www.vh1.com/news/articles/1496891/20050211/system_of_a_down.jhtml?headlines=true] [http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1496891/20050214/story.jhtml] Grr, someone's wrong. I'll try emailing the band's website. User:TUF-KAT 03:46, Mar 4, 2005 (UTC) :As I mentioned earlier, a major print advertising campaign from Sony is underway for Mesmerize (citing an April release date). It's in an issue of Kerrang! that I have. Surely that's enough to confirm this confusion? User:MrHate 22:11, Mar 6, 2005 (UTC) ::Blabbermouth featured a story this morning that confirms a May 17 release date for Mesmerize as well as some song titles. See the article here [http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=33834] User:MrHate 22:02, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC) :::I still haven't gotten a response to my e-mail, but I find this pretty convincing. Michael, have you found anything very authoritative? I'd like to unprotect the album pages as soon as possible. User:TUF-KAT 22:26, Mar 7, 2005 (UTC) ::::Adding another link (from mtv.com) that says Cigaro is *not* a single. So far no one has listed a single source that says Cigaro is in fact a proper single. User:Nadavspi 03:07, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::::Well, KROQ (the station in my city) played "Cigaro" once, that's why I've always been restoring it. -- User:Mike Garcia 03:12, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::::::Please visit the 3rd link, to mtv.com which says "One of those songs, "Cigaro," was recently leaked online and became an instant hit on KROQ-FM in Los Angeles as well as other stations. Another song, \"B.Y.O.B.,\" will actually be the first single." Now, I am in no way saying that mtv is a clear, definite source, but since it is a fairly respectable source, and that article quotes the band, and we don't have any sources that say that Cigaro is a single, I think it's safe to leave it out of the article. User:Nadavspi 03:16, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::Alright, cool. Thanks for settling this :-) User:Nadavspi 03:18, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) ---- Come on now, has anyone in the band actually said that opera is an influence on their vocal style? This sort of sounds like speculation by someone who doesn't know opera... --User:Bumhoolery 01:29, Apr 15, 2005 (UTC) ==Mesmerize singles== Seems to be a lot of singles out for Mesmerize if one were to look at the list in this article! However, BYOB is still the only single. Let me just clarify. Even if a song has been on the radio, it doesn't make it a single. Try to remember that in future :) User:MrHate 05:56, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC) ----------- Aren't they also heavily influenced by Faith No More?
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