
---- Sauron is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth universe. He is the titular ''Lord of the Rings'' against whom the protagonists of that series struggle. His name is Wiktionary:Pronunciation key "sour-ron" (sour as in not sweet), or in IPA chart for English as: . He also appears as Dark Lord Morgoth's abominable lieutenant in ''The Silmarillion''. {|align=right |- | |} ==Sauron in the First Age== In the earliest of days, before the Valar entered Arda, Sauron was in origin an "angelic" spirit called a Maiar in Tolkien's invented mythology. He was at first a powerful servant of Aulë, the Smith, a greater angelic spirit, one of the Valar, or ruling powers of the world. However, Sauron was soon subverted by the Dark Lord Melkor (later known as Morgoth, an evil Vala), and Sauron himself turned to evil. Ever after, Sauron served Morgoth faithfully, and even in later days, after Morgoth was defeated and locked outside the confines of the world, Sauron encouraged and coerced Men to worship Morgoth as god. However, while Morgoth wanted to either control or destroy the very matter of Arda itself, Sauron's desire was to dominate the minds and wills of its creatures. During the First Age, the Ñoldorin Elves (Middle-earth) left the Blessed Realm of Valinor in the Utter West (against the counsel of the Valar) in order to wage war on Morgoth, who had stolen the Silmarils, enchanted gems that glowed with light, from them. In that war, Sauron served as Morgoth's Chief lieutenant, surpassing all others in rank. Known as ''Gorthaur the Cruel'', Sauron at that time was a master of illusions and changes of form, and werewolves were his servants, chief among them Draugluin, Sire of Werewolf (Middle-earth), and Thuringwethil, his vampire Herald. When Morgoth left Angband to corrupt the newly awakened Atani (Men), Sauron directed the War against the Elves. He conquered the Elvish isle of Tol Sirion, so that it became known as ''Tol-in-Gaurhoth'', the Isle of Werewolves. Ten years later, Finrod Felagund, the king of Nargothrond and former lord of Tol Sirion, died protecting Beren in captivity; soon afterward Lúthien and Huan the Wolfhound defeated Sauron in that place and rescued Beren from the dungeons into which Sauron had thrown him. After his defeat by Lúthien, Sauron played little part in the events of the First Age (possibly hiding from Morgoth), and after his master was defeated and cast out by the Valar, Sauron repented (apparently) and pleaded for mercy. But he was unwilling to return to the Utter West for judgment, and so he fled and hid. ==Sauron in the Second Age== The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Return_of_the_King_(movie)''_)">Image:Annatar.jpg|right|frame|Annatar, Sauron the Fair (unused imagery from ''The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (movie)'' ) After lying hidden and dormant for about 1000 years, Sauron put on a fair visage in the Second Age, and calling himself ''Annatar'', the Lord of Gifts, he befriended the Elvish smiths of Eregion, and counseled them in arts and magic. Not all the Elves trusted him, particularly Lady Galadriel and Gil-galad, High King of the Ñoldor, but few listened to them. Then the Elves forged Rings of Power, but in secret Sauron forged the One Ring to rule the Elvish rings, investing most of his own power into the Ring as he forged it. By doing so, he became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose Fëa and hröa ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the War of the Elves and Sauron and, had it not been for the intervention of Númenor, might have defeated them. In this time Sauron became the Dark Lord of Mordor. He raised Barad-dûr, the Dark Tower, near Mount Doom, where he had forged the One Ring; constructed the Black Gate (Middle-earth) to prevent invasion; and raised massive armies of Orc (Middle-earth)s, Trolls (Middle-earth), and Men, chiefly Easterlings and Southrons. Because of this, towards the end of the Second Age, Sauron assumed the titles of "Lord of the Earth" and "King of Men". This offended the Númenóreans, the powerful Men descended of Beren and Lúthien, who lived on the island of Númenor in the sea between Middle-earth and Valinor. The Númenóreans, who were then proud, came to Middle-earth with astounding force of arms. Sauron's forces fled, and Sauron was taken as hostage to Númenor by King Ar-Pharazôn. There, he quickly grew from captive to advisor; he converted many Númenóreans to the worship of Morgoth, and raised a great temple in which he performed human sacrifices. Finally, he convinced the king of Númenor to rebel against the Valar and attack Valinor itself. Eru, the supreme god, then directly intervened -- Númenor was drowned under the sea, and the great navy of Númenor was destroyed. The world was bent, so that thereafter only Elven-Ships could sail into the Utter West. Sauron was diminished in the flood of Númenor, and fled back to Mordor, where he slowly rebuilt his strength during the time known as the Dark Years. From this point on he was unable to assume a fair shape, and ruled now through terror and force. A few faithful Númenóreans were saved from the flood, and they founded Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. These faithful Men, led by Elendil and his sons, allied with the Elven-king, Gil-galad, and together fought Sauron and, after long war, defeated him, although both Elendil and Gil-galad were slain. Isildur, son of Elendil, cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger and claimed it. But later the Ring betrayed him, so that Isildur was slain by Orcs, and the Ring was lost for centuries. ==Sauron in the Third Age== The_Lord_of_the_Rings_movie_trilogy)">Image:Eyeofsauron.jpg|right|frame|Peter Jackson's Eye of Sauron (in the The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy) In the Third Age, Sauron rose again, at first in a stronghold called Dol Guldur, the Hill of Sorcery, in southern Mirkwood. There he was known as the ''Necromancer'', and the Elves did not realize at first that he was actually Sauron returned. Gandalf the wizard stole into Dol Guldur and discovered the truth; eventually the White Council of Wizards and Elves put forth their might and drove Sauron out. But the White Council was led by Saruman, who wanted the Ring for himself. Sauron simply moved back to Mordor and raised again Barad-dûr. He fortified Mordor and prepared for war against Gondor and the Elves, with Saruman now his servant. Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs. He allied with and enslaved Men from the east and south. He gathered his most terrifying servants, the Nazgûl, or Ringwraiths, each wearing one of the nine rings designed for mortal Men. Sauron adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the Eye of Sauron was a symbol of power and fear. But he was defeated when his One Ring, found by Bilbo Baggins the Hobbit, was cast into the Crack of Doom in Mordor where it had been made. The Ring-bearer, Frodo Baggins, actually failed at the last moment, unable to resist the power of the Ring at the place of its birth; but an earlier bearer of the Ring, Gollum, saved him by recovering the Ring in a desperate attempt to possess it and then falling in himself. Thus, it was ultimately Frodo and Bilbo's pity in sparing Gollum's life that led to the Dark Lord's defeat. Then Sauron's power was unmade, and his corporeal power in Middle-earth came to an end. His spirit towered above Mordor like a malevolent black cloud, but was blown away by a powerful wind from the Aman, and Sauron was now permanently crippled, never to rise again. (Saruman was soon to suffer a lesser version of this fate.) ==Names and Titles== ''Sauron'' (originally ''Thauron'') was Quenya, and can be translated as ''the Abhorred'' or ''the Abomination''; in Sindarin he was called ''Gorthaur'' the Necromancer, ''the Abhorred Dread''. He was also called the Nameless Enemy, which was hardly accurate (but perhaps an effort to lessen his psychological impact), whereas Morgoth was the Dark Enemy. The Dúnedain called him Sauron the Deceiver due to his role in the downfall of Númenor and the Forging of the Rings of Power. His two most common titles, the Dark Lord of Mordor and the Lord of the Rings, appear only a few times in the books. His other titles were similar to Morgoth's. See also Akallabêth, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age. ==Other versions of the legendarium== Prior to the publication of ''The Silmarillion'' Sauron's origins and true identity were unclear to those without full access to Tolkien's notes. In early editions of the Guide to Middle Earth, Sauron is described as "probably of the Eldar elves." Since the earliest versions of the ''Silmarillion'' legendarium as detailed in the History of Middle-earth series, Sauron has undergone many changes. The prototype of this character was Tevildo, lord of the cats, who played the role later taken by Sauron in the earliest version of the story of Beren and Lúthien in ''The Book of Lost Tales''. Tevildo later (but still in the ''Book of Lost Tales'' period) was transformed into Thû, the Necromancer. The name was then changed to Gorthû, Sûr, and finally to Sauron. ''Gorthû'', in the form ''Gorthaur'' remained in ''The Silmarillion''. == Sauron's genealogy ==
In "Before and during the First Age, Sauron was in origination an "angelic" spirit called a Maia in Tolkien's invented mythology" is the first part really needed? His origin didn't change after the First Age. Also, do people think it makes sense to call the Silmarils "holy"? I realise that they hold the Light of the Trees, and burnt Morgoth when he touched them, but "holy" doesn't sound quite right to me. : User:Molinari :The lust and greed they inspired in all who coveted them was anything but holy. OTOH, they were the supreme artifacts of elvish power, of which the Rings of Power were mere pallid imitations. ...?...User:Lee M 02:17, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC) ::The problem lies in the fact that we really don't have a word other than 'holy' to apply. The Silmarils radiated the light of the Two Trees, the light itself may have been holy or sactified, but the Silmarils themselves surely were not. Additionally, they inspired lust in the viewer, a trait one doesn't normally apply to a holy object. Perhaps 'holy' should be changed to 'powerful,' or 'overwhelming.' User:206.156.242.36 20:46, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::Actually, the Silmarils were hallowed by Varda after Fëanor had created them, so that ''no mortal flesh, nor hands unclean, nor anything evil'' could touch them. "Hallowed" here has the same meaning as "holy". That said, holy ought to be replaced with hallowed wherever possible, as holy can also mean divine, whereas hallowed need not carry that meaning. User:Anárion 22:14, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC) Removed "Sauron, in a way, was wiser than Morgoth - he had never fallen as low as his master did." from first paragraph of First Age section. This is because I'm not sure wanting to dominate people rather than lands actually consists of not falling as low. (From one way of looking at the matter, it's worse.) If this is something Tolkien actually said, I'll be glad to stand corrected (although a citation would be appreciated). :Morgoth's Ring, "Myths transformed", Text VII: ''Notes on motives in the Silmarillion''. The essay literally states "In this way Sauron was also wiser than Melkor-Morgoth". The essat discusses the difference between the mad lust for annihalation that powers Melkor-Morgoth, and contrasts this with the relentless desire for order present in Sauron. Oh, and I removed "holy" so it just says "the Silmarils". I figure they are of such value that they speak for themselves. Actually, I just didn't know what word would be better, but I thought maybe just removing the adjective would suffice. --User:Aranel 00:13, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Hallowed? User:Anárion 06:27, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) == The first paragraph has too many links == The first paragraph is close to unreadble due to the two parentical phrases and the many links. I made a possible change, but I'm not sure it's better. Any help would be appreciated. User:JesseW 08:37, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC) == The Eye of Sauron == Sauron was unable to assume shape AFTER Isildur cut the ring from his finger, I thought? This paragraph seems incorrect then (after all, if he was unable to assume a fair shape, how could they cut the One Ring from his finger?): From this point on he was unable to assume a fair shape, and ruled now through terror and force. A few faithful Númenóreans were saved from the flood, and they founded Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. These faithful Men, led by Elendil and his sons, allied with the Elven-king, Gil-galad, and together fought Sauron and, after long war, defeated him, although both Elendil and Gil-galad were slain. Isildur, son of Elendil, cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger and claimed it. But later the Ring betrayed him, so that Isildur was slain by Orcs, and the Ring was lost for centuries. User:MDesigner 10:54, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC) :Nooo… only Peter Jackson thinks Sauron was shapeless, or just an eye. It is quite clear Sauron had taken shape by the time of Gollum's capture (after The Hobbit but before LotR: Gollum talked about Sauron's four-fingered hand. If Sauron had no shape, what hand would that be?
:Sauron initially was able to assume any shape, and in the First Age had at least the following: -normal (human-like but terrible), -werewolf, -vampire bat. Sauron survived the First Age intact. In the Second Age he took a beautiful and fair human-like shape (as Annatar), and kept this shape at least until the War of the Elves and Sauron. Afterwards he appeared to have taken a terrible shape, although that is not entirely clear. In any case he was still able to change it at will before forging the One Ring, and it is not stated that in forging the One Ring he lost this power.
:After the Downfall Sauron lost the ability to change his shape, and when he returned to physical form (after Gandalf ousted him from Dol Guldur, but before the events of the LotR) he only had his terrible shape. In any case it is 100% certain Sauron had a physical form again by the time Frodo destroyed the Ring, and therewith Sauron's power. Afterwards so little of Sauron was left he never was able to take form again. 11:28, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::Wow, they certainly changed a lot for the movie. So you mean the whole flaming eye on the tower of Barad-Dur was a creation of the screenwriters? Or the Eye of Sauron existed in the books too, but it was simply a way for him to see what's going on, while his physical form (as a body) was able to roam around? User:MDesigner 21:02, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC) :::Mostly, yes. The Eye of Sauron is in the books more or less equivalent with Sauron's attention: when the Eye is focused on someone, it means that Sauron and/or his forces are paying close attention there. On the other hand, the Eye is also seen by Frodo at Amon Hen, so it was a way Sauron presented his will. Jackson erred, in presenting the Eye as the form of Sauron, rather than just a (or the) representation of his will. When Pippin gazes in the palantìr, he sees Sauron's actual form: "Then ''he'' came" — and follows a description of evil mocking of Pipping by Sauron, and not by an Eye. 21:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::::Don't you think that we should make it more clear that Sauron was not a floating eyeball? It's a common myth nowadays, with Peter Jackson's supporting the Sauron-disembodied-floating-eye... I know it doesn't say that "Sauron is now an Eyeball" in the article, but it also doesn't say "Sauron is not an eyeball". User:Maeglin_Lómion
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---- Sauron is a fictional character from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth universe. He is the titular ''Lord of the Rings'' against whom the protagonists of that series struggle. His name is Wiktionary:Pronunciation key "sour-ron" (sour as in not sweet), or in IPA chart for English as: . He also appears as Dark Lord Morgoth's abominable lieutenant in ''The Silmarillion''. {|align=right |- | |} ==Sauron in the First Age== In the earliest of days, before the Valar entered Arda, Sauron was in origin an "angelic" spirit called a Maiar in Tolkien's invented mythology. He was at first a powerful servant of Aulë, the Smith, a greater angelic spirit, one of the Valar, or ruling powers of the world. However, Sauron was soon subverted by the Dark Lord Melkor (later known as Morgoth, an evil Vala), and Sauron himself turned to evil. Ever after, Sauron served Morgoth faithfully, and even in later days, after Morgoth was defeated and locked outside the confines of the world, Sauron encouraged and coerced Men to worship Morgoth as god. However, while Morgoth wanted to either control or destroy the very matter of Arda itself, Sauron's desire was to dominate the minds and wills of its creatures. During the First Age, the Ñoldorin Elves (Middle-earth) left the Blessed Realm of Valinor in the Utter West (against the counsel of the Valar) in order to wage war on Morgoth, who had stolen the Silmarils, enchanted gems that glowed with light, from them. In that war, Sauron served as Morgoth's Chief lieutenant, surpassing all others in rank. Known as ''Gorthaur the Cruel'', Sauron at that time was a master of illusions and changes of form, and werewolves were his servants, chief among them Draugluin, Sire of Werewolf (Middle-earth), and Thuringwethil, his vampire Herald. When Morgoth left Angband to corrupt the newly awakened Atani (Men), Sauron directed the War against the Elves. He conquered the Elvish isle of Tol Sirion, so that it became known as ''Tol-in-Gaurhoth'', the Isle of Werewolves. Ten years later, Finrod Felagund, the king of Nargothrond and former lord of Tol Sirion, died protecting Beren in captivity; soon afterward Lúthien and Huan the Wolfhound defeated Sauron in that place and rescued Beren from the dungeons into which Sauron had thrown him. After his defeat by Lúthien, Sauron played little part in the events of the First Age (possibly hiding from Morgoth), and after his master was defeated and cast out by the Valar, Sauron repented (apparently) and pleaded for mercy. But he was unwilling to return to the Utter West for judgment, and so he fled and hid. ==Sauron in the Second Age== The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Return_of_the_King_(movie)''_)">Image:Annatar.jpg|right|frame|Annatar, Sauron the Fair (unused imagery from ''The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (movie)'' ) After lying hidden and dormant for about 1000 years, Sauron put on a fair visage in the Second Age, and calling himself ''Annatar'', the Lord of Gifts, he befriended the Elvish smiths of Eregion, and counseled them in arts and magic. Not all the Elves trusted him, particularly Lady Galadriel and Gil-galad, High King of the Ñoldor, but few listened to them. Then the Elves forged Rings of Power, but in secret Sauron forged the One Ring to rule the Elvish rings, investing most of his own power into the Ring as he forged it. By doing so, he became more powerful than his master Morgoth at the end of the First Age, whose Fëa and hröa ("soul" or "spirit"), while stronger, was dispersed into the matter of Arda. When Sauron put on the One Ring and tried to dominate the Elves, they resisted, and Sauron came upon them in the War of the Elves and Sauron and, had it not been for the intervention of Númenor, might have defeated them. In this time Sauron became the Dark Lord of Mordor. He raised Barad-dûr, the Dark Tower, near Mount Doom, where he had forged the One Ring; constructed the Black Gate (Middle-earth) to prevent invasion; and raised massive armies of Orc (Middle-earth)s, Trolls (Middle-earth), and Men, chiefly Easterlings and Southrons. Because of this, towards the end of the Second Age, Sauron assumed the titles of "Lord of the Earth" and "King of Men". This offended the Númenóreans, the powerful Men descended of Beren and Lúthien, who lived on the island of Númenor in the sea between Middle-earth and Valinor. The Númenóreans, who were then proud, came to Middle-earth with astounding force of arms. Sauron's forces fled, and Sauron was taken as hostage to Númenor by King Ar-Pharazôn. There, he quickly grew from captive to advisor; he converted many Númenóreans to the worship of Morgoth, and raised a great temple in which he performed human sacrifices. Finally, he convinced the king of Númenor to rebel against the Valar and attack Valinor itself. Eru, the supreme god, then directly intervened -- Númenor was drowned under the sea, and the great navy of Númenor was destroyed. The world was bent, so that thereafter only Elven-Ships could sail into the Utter West. Sauron was diminished in the flood of Númenor, and fled back to Mordor, where he slowly rebuilt his strength during the time known as the Dark Years. From this point on he was unable to assume a fair shape, and ruled now through terror and force. A few faithful Númenóreans were saved from the flood, and they founded Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. These faithful Men, led by Elendil and his sons, allied with the Elven-king, Gil-galad, and together fought Sauron and, after long war, defeated him, although both Elendil and Gil-galad were slain. Isildur, son of Elendil, cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger and claimed it. But later the Ring betrayed him, so that Isildur was slain by Orcs, and the Ring was lost for centuries. ==Sauron in the Third Age== The_Lord_of_the_Rings_movie_trilogy)">Image:Eyeofsauron.jpg|right|frame|Peter Jackson's Eye of Sauron (in the The Lord of the Rings movie trilogy) In the Third Age, Sauron rose again, at first in a stronghold called Dol Guldur, the Hill of Sorcery, in southern Mirkwood. There he was known as the ''Necromancer'', and the Elves did not realize at first that he was actually Sauron returned. Gandalf the wizard stole into Dol Guldur and discovered the truth; eventually the White Council of Wizards and Elves put forth their might and drove Sauron out. But the White Council was led by Saruman, who wanted the Ring for himself. Sauron simply moved back to Mordor and raised again Barad-dûr. He fortified Mordor and prepared for war against Gondor and the Elves, with Saruman now his servant. Sauron bred immense armies of Orcs. He allied with and enslaved Men from the east and south. He gathered his most terrifying servants, the Nazgûl, or Ringwraiths, each wearing one of the nine rings designed for mortal Men. Sauron adopted the symbol of a lidless eye, and he was able at that time to send out his will over Middle-earth, so that the Eye of Sauron was a symbol of power and fear. But he was defeated when his One Ring, found by Bilbo Baggins the Hobbit, was cast into the Crack of Doom in Mordor where it had been made. The Ring-bearer, Frodo Baggins, actually failed at the last moment, unable to resist the power of the Ring at the place of its birth; but an earlier bearer of the Ring, Gollum, saved him by recovering the Ring in a desperate attempt to possess it and then falling in himself. Thus, it was ultimately Frodo and Bilbo's pity in sparing Gollum's life that led to the Dark Lord's defeat. Then Sauron's power was unmade, and his corporeal power in Middle-earth came to an end. His spirit towered above Mordor like a malevolent black cloud, but was blown away by a powerful wind from the Aman, and Sauron was now permanently crippled, never to rise again. (Saruman was soon to suffer a lesser version of this fate.) ==Names and Titles== ''Sauron'' (originally ''Thauron'') was Quenya, and can be translated as ''the Abhorred'' or ''the Abomination''; in Sindarin he was called ''Gorthaur'' the Necromancer, ''the Abhorred Dread''. He was also called the Nameless Enemy, which was hardly accurate (but perhaps an effort to lessen his psychological impact), whereas Morgoth was the Dark Enemy. The Dúnedain called him Sauron the Deceiver due to his role in the downfall of Númenor and the Forging of the Rings of Power. His two most common titles, the Dark Lord of Mordor and the Lord of the Rings, appear only a few times in the books. His other titles were similar to Morgoth's. See also Akallabêth, Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age. ==Other versions of the legendarium== Prior to the publication of ''The Silmarillion'' Sauron's origins and true identity were unclear to those without full access to Tolkien's notes. In early editions of the Guide to Middle Earth, Sauron is described as "probably of the Eldar elves." Since the earliest versions of the ''Silmarillion'' legendarium as detailed in the History of Middle-earth series, Sauron has undergone many changes. The prototype of this character was Tevildo, lord of the cats, who played the role later taken by Sauron in the earliest version of the story of Beren and Lúthien in ''The Book of Lost Tales''. Tevildo later (but still in the ''Book of Lost Tales'' period) was transformed into Thû, the Necromancer. The name was then changed to Gorthû, Sûr, and finally to Sauron. ''Gorthû'', in the form ''Gorthaur'' remained in ''The Silmarillion''. == Sauron's genealogy ==
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In "Before and during the First Age, Sauron was in origination an "angelic" spirit called a Maia in Tolkien's invented mythology" is the first part really needed? His origin didn't change after the First Age. Also, do people think it makes sense to call the Silmarils "holy"? I realise that they hold the Light of the Trees, and burnt Morgoth when he touched them, but "holy" doesn't sound quite right to me. : User:Molinari :The lust and greed they inspired in all who coveted them was anything but holy. OTOH, they were the supreme artifacts of elvish power, of which the Rings of Power were mere pallid imitations. ...?...User:Lee M 02:17, 16 Aug 2003 (UTC) ::The problem lies in the fact that we really don't have a word other than 'holy' to apply. The Silmarils radiated the light of the Two Trees, the light itself may have been holy or sactified, but the Silmarils themselves surely were not. Additionally, they inspired lust in the viewer, a trait one doesn't normally apply to a holy object. Perhaps 'holy' should be changed to 'powerful,' or 'overwhelming.' User:206.156.242.36 20:46, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::Actually, the Silmarils were hallowed by Varda after Fëanor had created them, so that ''no mortal flesh, nor hands unclean, nor anything evil'' could touch them. "Hallowed" here has the same meaning as "holy". That said, holy ought to be replaced with hallowed wherever possible, as holy can also mean divine, whereas hallowed need not carry that meaning. User:Anárion 22:14, 30 Aug 2004 (UTC) Removed "Sauron, in a way, was wiser than Morgoth - he had never fallen as low as his master did." from first paragraph of First Age section. This is because I'm not sure wanting to dominate people rather than lands actually consists of not falling as low. (From one way of looking at the matter, it's worse.) If this is something Tolkien actually said, I'll be glad to stand corrected (although a citation would be appreciated). :Morgoth's Ring, "Myths transformed", Text VII: ''Notes on motives in the Silmarillion''. The essay literally states "In this way Sauron was also wiser than Melkor-Morgoth". The essat discusses the difference between the mad lust for annihalation that powers Melkor-Morgoth, and contrasts this with the relentless desire for order present in Sauron. Oh, and I removed "holy" so it just says "the Silmarils". I figure they are of such value that they speak for themselves. Actually, I just didn't know what word would be better, but I thought maybe just removing the adjective would suffice. --User:Aranel 00:13, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Hallowed? User:Anárion 06:27, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC) == The first paragraph has too many links == The first paragraph is close to unreadble due to the two parentical phrases and the many links. I made a possible change, but I'm not sure it's better. Any help would be appreciated. User:JesseW 08:37, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC) == The Eye of Sauron == Sauron was unable to assume shape AFTER Isildur cut the ring from his finger, I thought? This paragraph seems incorrect then (after all, if he was unable to assume a fair shape, how could they cut the One Ring from his finger?): From this point on he was unable to assume a fair shape, and ruled now through terror and force. A few faithful Númenóreans were saved from the flood, and they founded Gondor and Arnor in Middle-earth. These faithful Men, led by Elendil and his sons, allied with the Elven-king, Gil-galad, and together fought Sauron and, after long war, defeated him, although both Elendil and Gil-galad were slain. Isildur, son of Elendil, cut the One Ring from Sauron's finger and claimed it. But later the Ring betrayed him, so that Isildur was slain by Orcs, and the Ring was lost for centuries. User:MDesigner 10:54, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC) :Nooo… only Peter Jackson thinks Sauron was shapeless, or just an eye. It is quite clear Sauron had taken shape by the time of Gollum's capture (after The Hobbit but before LotR: Gollum talked about Sauron's four-fingered hand. If Sauron had no shape, what hand would that be?
:Sauron initially was able to assume any shape, and in the First Age had at least the following: -normal (human-like but terrible), -werewolf, -vampire bat. Sauron survived the First Age intact. In the Second Age he took a beautiful and fair human-like shape (as Annatar), and kept this shape at least until the War of the Elves and Sauron. Afterwards he appeared to have taken a terrible shape, although that is not entirely clear. In any case he was still able to change it at will before forging the One Ring, and it is not stated that in forging the One Ring he lost this power.
:After the Downfall Sauron lost the ability to change his shape, and when he returned to physical form (after Gandalf ousted him from Dol Guldur, but before the events of the LotR) he only had his terrible shape. In any case it is 100% certain Sauron had a physical form again by the time Frodo destroyed the Ring, and therewith Sauron's power. Afterwards so little of Sauron was left he never was able to take form again. 11:28, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::Wow, they certainly changed a lot for the movie. So you mean the whole flaming eye on the tower of Barad-Dur was a creation of the screenwriters? Or the Eye of Sauron existed in the books too, but it was simply a way for him to see what's going on, while his physical form (as a body) was able to roam around? User:MDesigner 21:02, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC) :::Mostly, yes. The Eye of Sauron is in the books more or less equivalent with Sauron's attention: when the Eye is focused on someone, it means that Sauron and/or his forces are paying close attention there. On the other hand, the Eye is also seen by Frodo at Amon Hen, so it was a way Sauron presented his will. Jackson erred, in presenting the Eye as the form of Sauron, rather than just a (or the) representation of his will. When Pippin gazes in the palantìr, he sees Sauron's actual form: "Then ''he'' came" — and follows a description of evil mocking of Pipping by Sauron, and not by an Eye. 21:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::::Don't you think that we should make it more clear that Sauron was not a floating eyeball? It's a common myth nowadays, with Peter Jackson's supporting the Sauron-disembodied-floating-eye... I know it doesn't say that "Sauron is now an Eyeball" in the article, but it also doesn't say "Sauron is not an eyeball". User:Maeglin_Lómion
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