
Satire is a literary technique of writing or art which principally ridicules its subject (for example, individuals, organizations, or states) often as an intended means of provoking or preventing change. In Celtic societies, it was thought a bard's satire could have physical effects, similar to a curse. A satirist is one who satirizes. Satire is not exclusive to any viewpoint. Parody is a form of humor that imitates another work of art in an exaggerated fashion for comic effect, usually deriding the subject of the parody in the process. Although the techniques of satire and parody often overlap, they are not synonymous. Satires need not be humorous - indeed, they are often tragedy - while parodies are almost inevitably humorous. Parodies are imitative by definition, while satires need not be. Humorous satires often base the humor on the juxtaposition between the satire and reality. The main intent of satire is political, social, or moral and not comic. The humor of such a satire tends to be subtle, using irony and deadpan humor liberally. Satire can also be segregated into two distinct categories: High burlesque, or taking subject matter which is crude in nature and treating it in a lofty style, or low burlesque, taking subject matter traditionally dealt with in an epic or poetic fashion and degrading it. == Satire in Pop Culture and Public Media == Some works of satire are subtle enough in their exaggeration that they still seem believable to many people. The satiric nature of these works may be lost on the public at large, and there have been instances where the author or producers of a satirical work have been harshly criticized as a result. In 2002 the British network Channel 4 aired a satiric mockumentary entitled ''Paedogeddon'' in the Brass Eye series, which was intended to mock and satirize the fascination of modern journalism with child molestation and paedophilias. The TV network received an enormous number of complaints from members of the public, who were outraged that the show would mock a subject considered by many to be too "serious" to be the subject of humor. The movie ''This is Spinal Tap'', a spoof of rockumentary, about a fictitious and ridiculous hard rock band was mistaken for a non-fiction by some critics. On occasion, satire can cause social change when used to make a political or social point (although simply revealing absurdities to the public, as opposed to the quality of the satire, may be the actual cause of any consequences). For instance, the comic strip ''Doonesbury'' satirized a Florida county that had a racist law that minorities had to have a passcard in the area; the law was soon repealed with an act nicknamed the Doonesbury Act. In the 2000 Canada federal election campaign, a Canadian Alliance proposal for a mechanism to require a referendum in response to a petition of sufficient size was satirized by the television show ''This Hour Has 22 Minutes'' so effectively that it was discredited and soon dropped. Satire enjoyed a renaissance in the United Kingdom in the early 1960s with the ''Satire Boom'', led by such luminaries as Peter Cook, Alan Bennett, Jonathan Miller, David Frost (broadcaster), Eleanor Bron and Dudley Moore and the television programme ''That Was The Week That Was''. ==Notable examples of satire== *Ovid ''The Art of Love'' *Juvenal (c. A.D. 55-140) - ''16 Satires'' *Petronius (c. A.D. 55-140) - ''Satirae'' *Nigel of Canterbury - ''Speculum Stultorum (Mirror for Fools)'', 12th c. satire of monks and universities *''De Nugis Curialibus (The Courtiers' Jests)'', 12th c. satire of life at court in England *Jonathan Swift - ''A Tale of a Tub,'' ''Gullivers Travels'' and ''A Modest Proposal''. * Alexander Pope - ''Rape of the Lock'' *Bill Hicks - The late Hicks was a revolutionary satirist and stand-up comedian. *Voltaire - ''Candide'', satirizing optimism *George Orwell - ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'', a dystopia, a form of literature which also commonly has satire. *Anatole France - ''Penguin Island (book)'', a utopia *Aldous Huxley - ''Brave New World'', a dystopia *Mark Twain - Later works, notably ''The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg'' *Flannery O'Connor - ''Wise Blood'', satirizing contemporary religious attitudes *Thomas Nast - Political cartoons against Boss Tweed *Stanley Kubrick - Films ''Doctor Strangelove'' and ''A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)''. *Robert Clark Young - controversial novel, ''One of the Guys'' *Dario Fo - ''Accidental Death of an Anarchist'' *''le Canard Enchaîné'' publishes satirical cartoons and columns along with well-researched information on French political or economic life. *''Private Eye'' *Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - ''Cat's Cradle'' is a political satire, adopting a sci-fi motif. *Chuck Palahniuk - ''Fight Club'', a satire of masculinity, consumerism, and nihilism. *''The Onion'' and ''The Daily Show'', satires of the United States news media *''The Landover Baptist Church'' - Internet parody of Christian fundamentalism * Don DeLillo - ''White Noise'', satire of consumerism and modern society Humor Rhetoric
"Satire Boom"? Never heard this one before (Capitalized as if it's a proper noun). Did you just make this up? ''The Satire Boom is a name given in Britain for a time (late fifties/early sixties) say from "Beyond the Fringe" to "That Was The Week That Was", when the weakening of UK class structure (Peter Cook could impersonate Harold Macmillan on TV, you could say ever-so-slightly impertinent things about the Royal family) made it look like satire was the new rock and roll. As it turned out, rock and roll was the new rock and roll.'' -- User:GWO Righto :-) Thanks ---- Is satire really a genre? In the sense that rock-and-roll or science fiction is a genre: shared tropes, interactions with other satirical works more than with non-satirical works. user:Vicki Rosenzweig :It should be, as a separate form of (art?) :Moliere said in latin that Satire ''castigat ridendo mores''. This is different from comic art, comedy or other brilliant performances, since it should always imply some political or social basic morality. :This latter aspect (morality), is perhaps the most distinctive in my culture (Italy), where satire is today a socially relevant phenomenon, but I'd like to read something about other cultures too before adding this to the article as a general characteristic. - user:Gianfranco ::It sounds like we need an agreed-on definition of genre. Satire certainly overlaps kinds of art in the sense of drama/painting/prose fiction/etc. user:Vicki Rosenzweig ---- Satire and parody are not the same thing. They don't even resemble each other *Satire, "An attack on wickedness and folly", paraphrasing Samuel Johnson. *Parody, "A form of literary mimicry", ''Cambridge Companion to World Literature'' Note that there are no parodies mentioned in the article. I'm salting this away here for future reference.user:Ortolan88 I don't claim to be the expert on this, but they do at least vaguely resemble each other, else they both wouldn't be synonyms of ridicule (http://www.thesaurus.com/roget/VI/856.html). However, they aren't synonymous, so I must have overlooked a big difference when I made that redirect. Separate pages sounds like a good idea. --user:Ellmist Read Roget with a grain of salt (ten grains of salt!). Lots of words are related that aren't really synonyms at all. Both satire and parody are forms of ridicule, yes, but satire is aimed much higher, at reform or eradication of evil, while parody is really a form of literary criticism, accentuating stylistic tricks or proclivities of the target. user:Ortolan88 Sounds interesting. Any ideas where I can find out more about this? --user:Ellmist ---- Become an English major :=) Read some surveys of English literature. Look some terms up in a reference book like the ''Cambridge Companion'' mentioned above. Find a list of the best writing of all time and start working your way through it. Buy the ''Cliff's Notes'' for each work and follow along. Pay no attention to people who make fun of ''Cliff's Notes''; it's the best, quickest way to understand the top two or three levels of of meaning and author's intention in a book. Take a course. Read, browse, discuss, read some more, write some term papers (or at least write some wiki articles on what you've read). ''Roget's Thesaurus'', by the way, is not a dictionary. It is really more of an aid to memory, to jog you for the right word, to help you think about why there are two different words with similar meanings, but the larger your vocabulary going in, the more use you will get out of ''Roget''. There are very few exact synonyms in English. If there are two words they will have two meanings. The dictionary (''Webster's New Collegiate'' is a favorite of mine out of dozens) is the source of information on what words mean, but even so you have to read and read and read and begin to see how the words work in context before you can really have a feel for the differences. As for satire and parody: * 1984 and Brave New World are satires. * Mad Magazine is parody. And, Vicki, satire isn't a genre, it is a literary form. Best regards to all, user:Ortolan88 Ortolan is quite right. There's also pastiche, which is a generally light-hearted tongue-in-cheek imitation of another's style -- while jocular it is usually respectful. Parody aims to ridicule a style, and is somewhat harsher. Satire is more to do with political and moral issues, while parody and pastiche are artistic. -- User:Tarquin 13:36 Jul 29, 2002 (PDT) ---- Could we remove the entire "gothic recipe" paragraph? It belongs in the parody article, not here. It's only confusing the distinction between satire and parody, IMHO. -- User:Cobra libre 12:22 2004 Apr 2 (UTC) -------------- A possibly naive question - There is a bulletting in the article - satire can have may forms - The article then lists diminution, largening etc as techniques of satire. These are arbitrary and certainly not comprehensive but the use of bulletting suggests as much and also that this division is well established and genrally accepted. Could we change the form - do away with the bulletting and make a separate paragraph? User:Mohan_ravichandran ---- Changing ''organizaton'' to ''organisation'' as if it mattered could leave one open to satire. User:Ortolan88 03:11, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC) ---- This article is incoherent, frankly. For example: *Why is the bit about Celtic bards in the introduction? *What is the source for the "types of satire" scheme given in the article? *Why is parody given so much attention in this article when a separate (and superior, IMHO) parody article is already provided? *Couldn't some of these lists be pulled out into separate articles? i.e., "List of satirical works" (and I admit that I'm guilty to contributing to one of the lists in the article). The article is littered with specific examples, but would benefit instead from a broader discussion of satire, its forms, and its history. Would anyone object to its being marked for cleanup or attention? This article is due for a brutal rewrite, but I don't think I'm the one for the task. -- User:Cobra libre 00:12, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) ---- ==Do some trolls consider themselves satirists of the internet?== Not trying to encourage anything mind you. However, some trolls must be getting this kind of enjoyment by provoking typical kinds of responses from various internet communities. Anyway, are there some good examples of "troll satirists" that we could include in the article? User:WpZurp 18:57, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Culled from article == I'm moving a bunch of parody-related stuff from the article and placing it here. Some stuff from the list below might be better described as satire than parody; anyone more familiar with such than I should feel free to move it back into the list in the article. For example, satires of the gothic novel literary genre are often presented in the form of 'recipe': :''Take'' - An old castle, half of it ruinous. :A long gallery, with a great many door, some secret ones. :Three murdered bodies, quite fresh. :As many skeletons, in chests and presse. :An old woman hanging by the neck, with her throat cut. :Assassins and desperado, ''quant. suff.'' :Noise, whispers, and groans, threescore at least. :Mix them together, in the form of volumes, to be taken at any of the watering places before going to bed. ... Some parodies with heavy elements of satire include: *The Monty Python opus, satirizing British character types. *''Private Eye'' magazine *, a satire of journalism *''The Misprint'', parodies politics in India *''KTAB News'', parodies news in the UK *The ''Framley Examiner'', a parody of a small-town newspaper *''Brainsnap'', parody of yellow journalism *''Hot Shots'', parody of ''Top Gun'', and ''Hot Shots 2'', parody of the ''Rambo'' films *The ''Austin Powers'' trilogy, parody of 60s Spy film *The Capitol Steps musical performances satires politics from both sides of the political spectrum and day-to-day life *The ''Scary Movie'' films, parodies of Horror film *Biblical consistencies, an article satirising Biblical inconsistencies User:Gtrmp 04:14, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC) == Contradictory? == Quote: :''Some works of satire are subtle enough in their exaggeration that they still seem believable to many people. The satiric nature of these works may be lost on the public at large, and there have been instances where the author or producers of a satirical work have been harshly criticized as a result. In 2002 the British network Channel 4 aired a satiric mockumentary entitled ''Paedogeddon'' in the Brass Eye series, which was intended to mock and satirize the fascination of modern journalism with child molestation and paedophilias. The TV network received an enormous number of complaints from members of the public, who were outraged that the show would mock a subject considered by many to be too "serious" to be the subject of humor.'' This is good stuff, but seems to mix two things. 1. Some satire is too subtle and people take it literally. 2. This program was criticised - NOT because people took it literally (according to this text) but because the subject was too serious for mockery (according to those quoted). Perhaps these two should be separated; both are good points, but not the same point. Perhaps an example of the first case is needed. User:Notinasnaid 10:22, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Mark this one for update == Satire seems to be an incredibly important literary genre. I'll take a stab at outlining something at least marginally coherent. User:Garylhewitt 19:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Satire topics == The Satire topics, since Aristophanes, are always been four: Politics, Sex, Religion and Death. I think the article should definitely include this. User:BMF81 00.41, 08 Mag 2005 (UTC) :And where does Houyhnhnmland fit in those catergories. Not everything can be so simply categorized.User:Maprovonsha172 01:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Chuck Palahniuk but no Alexander Pope? == I'm not getting into opinions here, but in a list of satires we put Fight Club, The Onion, The Daily Show etc., yet not Alexander Pope and his Rape of the Lock (which I've only just added)? Just as we've had to make a distinction between what is satire and what is parody, an equally important distinction is between satire and mere invective. Satire is a certain thing, and it isn't certain things. Satirizing isn't parodying, lampooning, attacking (for the hell of it), or whining. Satire, however presented, attacks something deemed unethical or at least foolish and offers a better solution, in this way proper satire offers no fantasies of that which cannot exist, only that which can and should exist. Also, that Fight Club is satirical isn't even mentioned in the Fight Club article, nor is satire a link at the bottom though transgressional fiction is. It seems that Fight Club is either satirical or transgressional fiction, depending on whether we take it literally or allegorically, but not both.User:Maprovonsha172 00:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Recent "Satirical" Works of Literature == White Noise isn't a satire of consumerism, it is more of a comment on that and the other things mentioned in the article. I would hesitate to put any work of the last 50 years up on this page. :Here, here. But you should become a member here if you wish to share, first of all. But I agree with you. There is no mention of how Fight Club is satirical in it's article, and as I have shown above there are contradictory accounts of it presented on this site regarding whether it is satirical or not.User:Maprovonsha172 01:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Satire is a literary technique of writing or art which principally ridicules its subject (for example, individuals, organizations, or states) often as an intended means of provoking or preventing change. In Celtic societies, it was thought a bard's satire could have physical effects, similar to a curse. A satirist is one who satirizes. Satire is not exclusive to any viewpoint. Parody is a form of humor that imitates another work of art in an exaggerated fashion for comic effect, usually deriding the subject of the parody in the process. Although the techniques of satire and parody often overlap, they are not synonymous. Satires need not be humorous - indeed, they are often tragedy - while parodies are almost inevitably humorous. Parodies are imitative by definition, while satires need not be. Humorous satires often base the humor on the juxtaposition between the satire and reality. The main intent of satire is political, social, or moral and not comic. The humor of such a satire tends to be subtle, using irony and deadpan humor liberally. Satire can also be segregated into two distinct categories: High burlesque, or taking subject matter which is crude in nature and treating it in a lofty style, or low burlesque, taking subject matter traditionally dealt with in an epic or poetic fashion and degrading it. == Satire in Pop Culture and Public Media == Some works of satire are subtle enough in their exaggeration that they still seem believable to many people. The satiric nature of these works may be lost on the public at large, and there have been instances where the author or producers of a satirical work have been harshly criticized as a result. In 2002 the British network Channel 4 aired a satiric mockumentary entitled ''Paedogeddon'' in the Brass Eye series, which was intended to mock and satirize the fascination of modern journalism with child molestation and paedophilias. The TV network received an enormous number of complaints from members of the public, who were outraged that the show would mock a subject considered by many to be too "serious" to be the subject of humor. The movie ''This is Spinal Tap'', a spoof of rockumentary, about a fictitious and ridiculous hard rock band was mistaken for a non-fiction by some critics. On occasion, satire can cause social change when used to make a political or social point (although simply revealing absurdities to the public, as opposed to the quality of the satire, may be the actual cause of any consequences). For instance, the comic strip ''Doonesbury'' satirized a Florida county that had a racist law that minorities had to have a passcard in the area; the law was soon repealed with an act nicknamed the Doonesbury Act. In the 2000 Canada federal election campaign, a Canadian Alliance proposal for a mechanism to require a referendum in response to a petition of sufficient size was satirized by the television show ''This Hour Has 22 Minutes'' so effectively that it was discredited and soon dropped. Satire enjoyed a renaissance in the United Kingdom in the early 1960s with the ''Satire Boom'', led by such luminaries as Peter Cook, Alan Bennett, Jonathan Miller, David Frost (broadcaster), Eleanor Bron and Dudley Moore and the television programme ''That Was The Week That Was''. ==Notable examples of satire== *Ovid ''The Art of Love'' *Juvenal (c. A.D. 55-140) - ''16 Satires'' *Petronius (c. A.D. 55-140) - ''Satirae'' *Nigel of Canterbury - ''Speculum Stultorum (Mirror for Fools)'', 12th c. satire of monks and universities *''De Nugis Curialibus (The Courtiers' Jests)'', 12th c. satire of life at court in England *Jonathan Swift - ''A Tale of a Tub,'' ''Gullivers Travels'' and ''A Modest Proposal''. * Alexander Pope - ''Rape of the Lock'' *Bill Hicks - The late Hicks was a revolutionary satirist and stand-up comedian. *Voltaire - ''Candide'', satirizing optimism *George Orwell - ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'', a dystopia, a form of literature which also commonly has satire. *Anatole France - ''Penguin Island (book)'', a utopia *Aldous Huxley - ''Brave New World'', a dystopia *Mark Twain - Later works, notably ''The Man Who Corrupted Hadleyburg'' *Flannery O'Connor - ''Wise Blood'', satirizing contemporary religious attitudes *Thomas Nast - Political cartoons against Boss Tweed *Stanley Kubrick - Films ''Doctor Strangelove'' and ''A_Clockwork_Orange_(film)''. *Robert Clark Young - controversial novel, ''One of the Guys'' *Dario Fo - ''Accidental Death of an Anarchist'' *''le Canard Enchaîné'' publishes satirical cartoons and columns along with well-researched information on French political or economic life. *''Private Eye'' *Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - ''Cat's Cradle'' is a political satire, adopting a sci-fi motif. *Chuck Palahniuk - ''Fight Club'', a satire of masculinity, consumerism, and nihilism. *''The Onion'' and ''The Daily Show'', satires of the United States news media *''The Landover Baptist Church'' - Internet parody of Christian fundamentalism * Don DeLillo - ''White Noise'', satire of consumerism and modern society Humor Rhetoric
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"Satire Boom"? Never heard this one before (Capitalized as if it's a proper noun). Did you just make this up? ''The Satire Boom is a name given in Britain for a time (late fifties/early sixties) say from "Beyond the Fringe" to "That Was The Week That Was", when the weakening of UK class structure (Peter Cook could impersonate Harold Macmillan on TV, you could say ever-so-slightly impertinent things about the Royal family) made it look like satire was the new rock and roll. As it turned out, rock and roll was the new rock and roll.'' -- User:GWO Righto :-) Thanks ---- Is satire really a genre? In the sense that rock-and-roll or science fiction is a genre: shared tropes, interactions with other satirical works more than with non-satirical works. user:Vicki Rosenzweig :It should be, as a separate form of (art?) :Moliere said in latin that Satire ''castigat ridendo mores''. This is different from comic art, comedy or other brilliant performances, since it should always imply some political or social basic morality. :This latter aspect (morality), is perhaps the most distinctive in my culture (Italy), where satire is today a socially relevant phenomenon, but I'd like to read something about other cultures too before adding this to the article as a general characteristic. - user:Gianfranco ::It sounds like we need an agreed-on definition of genre. Satire certainly overlaps kinds of art in the sense of drama/painting/prose fiction/etc. user:Vicki Rosenzweig ---- Satire and parody are not the same thing. They don't even resemble each other *Satire, "An attack on wickedness and folly", paraphrasing Samuel Johnson. *Parody, "A form of literary mimicry", ''Cambridge Companion to World Literature'' Note that there are no parodies mentioned in the article. I'm salting this away here for future reference.user:Ortolan88 I don't claim to be the expert on this, but they do at least vaguely resemble each other, else they both wouldn't be synonyms of ridicule (http://www.thesaurus.com/roget/VI/856.html). However, they aren't synonymous, so I must have overlooked a big difference when I made that redirect. Separate pages sounds like a good idea. --user:Ellmist Read Roget with a grain of salt (ten grains of salt!). Lots of words are related that aren't really synonyms at all. Both satire and parody are forms of ridicule, yes, but satire is aimed much higher, at reform or eradication of evil, while parody is really a form of literary criticism, accentuating stylistic tricks or proclivities of the target. user:Ortolan88 Sounds interesting. Any ideas where I can find out more about this? --user:Ellmist ---- Become an English major :=) Read some surveys of English literature. Look some terms up in a reference book like the ''Cambridge Companion'' mentioned above. Find a list of the best writing of all time and start working your way through it. Buy the ''Cliff's Notes'' for each work and follow along. Pay no attention to people who make fun of ''Cliff's Notes''; it's the best, quickest way to understand the top two or three levels of of meaning and author's intention in a book. Take a course. Read, browse, discuss, read some more, write some term papers (or at least write some wiki articles on what you've read). ''Roget's Thesaurus'', by the way, is not a dictionary. It is really more of an aid to memory, to jog you for the right word, to help you think about why there are two different words with similar meanings, but the larger your vocabulary going in, the more use you will get out of ''Roget''. There are very few exact synonyms in English. If there are two words they will have two meanings. The dictionary (''Webster's New Collegiate'' is a favorite of mine out of dozens) is the source of information on what words mean, but even so you have to read and read and read and begin to see how the words work in context before you can really have a feel for the differences. As for satire and parody: * 1984 and Brave New World are satires. * Mad Magazine is parody. And, Vicki, satire isn't a genre, it is a literary form. Best regards to all, user:Ortolan88 Ortolan is quite right. There's also pastiche, which is a generally light-hearted tongue-in-cheek imitation of another's style -- while jocular it is usually respectful. Parody aims to ridicule a style, and is somewhat harsher. Satire is more to do with political and moral issues, while parody and pastiche are artistic. -- User:Tarquin 13:36 Jul 29, 2002 (PDT) ---- Could we remove the entire "gothic recipe" paragraph? It belongs in the parody article, not here. It's only confusing the distinction between satire and parody, IMHO. -- User:Cobra libre 12:22 2004 Apr 2 (UTC) -------------- A possibly naive question - There is a bulletting in the article - satire can have may forms - The article then lists diminution, largening etc as techniques of satire. These are arbitrary and certainly not comprehensive but the use of bulletting suggests as much and also that this division is well established and genrally accepted. Could we change the form - do away with the bulletting and make a separate paragraph? User:Mohan_ravichandran ---- Changing ''organizaton'' to ''organisation'' as if it mattered could leave one open to satire. User:Ortolan88 03:11, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC) ---- This article is incoherent, frankly. For example: *Why is the bit about Celtic bards in the introduction? *What is the source for the "types of satire" scheme given in the article? *Why is parody given so much attention in this article when a separate (and superior, IMHO) parody article is already provided? *Couldn't some of these lists be pulled out into separate articles? i.e., "List of satirical works" (and I admit that I'm guilty to contributing to one of the lists in the article). The article is littered with specific examples, but would benefit instead from a broader discussion of satire, its forms, and its history. Would anyone object to its being marked for cleanup or attention? This article is due for a brutal rewrite, but I don't think I'm the one for the task. -- User:Cobra libre 00:12, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) ---- ==Do some trolls consider themselves satirists of the internet?== Not trying to encourage anything mind you. However, some trolls must be getting this kind of enjoyment by provoking typical kinds of responses from various internet communities. Anyway, are there some good examples of "troll satirists" that we could include in the article? User:WpZurp 18:57, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Culled from article == I'm moving a bunch of parody-related stuff from the article and placing it here. Some stuff from the list below might be better described as satire than parody; anyone more familiar with such than I should feel free to move it back into the list in the article. For example, satires of the gothic novel literary genre are often presented in the form of 'recipe': :''Take'' - An old castle, half of it ruinous. :A long gallery, with a great many door, some secret ones. :Three murdered bodies, quite fresh. :As many skeletons, in chests and presse. :An old woman hanging by the neck, with her throat cut. :Assassins and desperado, ''quant. suff.'' :Noise, whispers, and groans, threescore at least. :Mix them together, in the form of volumes, to be taken at any of the watering places before going to bed. ... Some parodies with heavy elements of satire include: *The Monty Python opus, satirizing British character types. *''Private Eye'' magazine *, a satire of journalism *''The Misprint'', parodies politics in India *''KTAB News'', parodies news in the UK *The ''Framley Examiner'', a parody of a small-town newspaper *''Brainsnap'', parody of yellow journalism *''Hot Shots'', parody of ''Top Gun'', and ''Hot Shots 2'', parody of the ''Rambo'' films *The ''Austin Powers'' trilogy, parody of 60s Spy film *The Capitol Steps musical performances satires politics from both sides of the political spectrum and day-to-day life *The ''Scary Movie'' films, parodies of Horror film *Biblical consistencies, an article satirising Biblical inconsistencies User:Gtrmp 04:14, Nov 23, 2004 (UTC) == Contradictory? == Quote: :''Some works of satire are subtle enough in their exaggeration that they still seem believable to many people. The satiric nature of these works may be lost on the public at large, and there have been instances where the author or producers of a satirical work have been harshly criticized as a result. In 2002 the British network Channel 4 aired a satiric mockumentary entitled ''Paedogeddon'' in the Brass Eye series, which was intended to mock and satirize the fascination of modern journalism with child molestation and paedophilias. The TV network received an enormous number of complaints from members of the public, who were outraged that the show would mock a subject considered by many to be too "serious" to be the subject of humor.'' This is good stuff, but seems to mix two things. 1. Some satire is too subtle and people take it literally. 2. This program was criticised - NOT because people took it literally (according to this text) but because the subject was too serious for mockery (according to those quoted). Perhaps these two should be separated; both are good points, but not the same point. Perhaps an example of the first case is needed. User:Notinasnaid 10:22, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Mark this one for update == Satire seems to be an incredibly important literary genre. I'll take a stab at outlining something at least marginally coherent. User:Garylhewitt 19:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Satire topics == The Satire topics, since Aristophanes, are always been four: Politics, Sex, Religion and Death. I think the article should definitely include this. User:BMF81 00.41, 08 Mag 2005 (UTC) :And where does Houyhnhnmland fit in those catergories. Not everything can be so simply categorized.User:Maprovonsha172 01:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Chuck Palahniuk but no Alexander Pope? == I'm not getting into opinions here, but in a list of satires we put Fight Club, The Onion, The Daily Show etc., yet not Alexander Pope and his Rape of the Lock (which I've only just added)? Just as we've had to make a distinction between what is satire and what is parody, an equally important distinction is between satire and mere invective. Satire is a certain thing, and it isn't certain things. Satirizing isn't parodying, lampooning, attacking (for the hell of it), or whining. Satire, however presented, attacks something deemed unethical or at least foolish and offers a better solution, in this way proper satire offers no fantasies of that which cannot exist, only that which can and should exist. Also, that Fight Club is satirical isn't even mentioned in the Fight Club article, nor is satire a link at the bottom though transgressional fiction is. It seems that Fight Club is either satirical or transgressional fiction, depending on whether we take it literally or allegorically, but not both.User:Maprovonsha172 00:38, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Recent "Satirical" Works of Literature == White Noise isn't a satire of consumerism, it is more of a comment on that and the other things mentioned in the article. I would hesitate to put any work of the last 50 years up on this page. :Here, here. But you should become a member here if you wish to share, first of all. But I agree with you. There is no mention of how Fight Club is satirical in it's article, and as I have shown above there are contradictory accounts of it presented on this site regarding whether it is satirical or not.User:Maprovonsha172 01:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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