
Beginning in the late 1970s and continuing to the present, there has evolved a distinctive and largely cohesive system of thought associated with the punk culture subculture (often simply referred to as ''punk''). Individualism, anti-authoritarianism, political anarchism, Freethought, and ethics are concepts, among others, that are addressed by this philosophy. Punk ideology views the world and most that are in it as deeply corrupt and wrong. Punk thoughts usually achieve expression through punk music, fanzines, and spoken-word albums. This article focuses on a perception of general punk ideology. For information on more specific types of punk ideologies see the section titled #Other Punk Ideologies. The rest of this article will use the word "punk" to refer to this generalized punk ideology or to a person who espouses this general take on punk ideology. Therefore, this article only provides a rough generalization of the philosophies of certain groups who identify themselves as ''punks'' and is not likely to completely represent the views of all or even the majority of those who do so. ==History== Punk, since the mid-1970s, has been a movement of shock, rebellion and discontent. As time has progressed, punk has become an overt socio-political movement for some who identify themselves as punks. Bands like Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, Crass, Conflict, Subhumans and many others helped to contribute to this ideological climate. In their lyrics, these bands expressed serious discontent with the systems and institutions that organize and control the world. They also offered analysis and potential solutions to the world's problems. This spirit is active to this day in punk music and has matured and expanded in its range. ==Politics== The political ideology most often associated with punk is that of anarchism. A lot of punk activism has been done in support of anarchist goals. Whether a punk subscribes to anarchism or not, he or she almost certainly is discontent with his or her government. Punks are often very active in trying to change their governing political systems to some extent. When punks engage in activism their demands can usually be described as Progressivism. Despite the similarities punk may have with the Left wing, many punks perceive the efforts of the left as ineffectual and sometimes just as objectionable as the Right wing. See songs on #On Government. ==Authoritarianism== In punk thought, authority corrupts humans to intolerable extremes. Police, religion, governments and any other institution that has the ability to coerce is seen as dangerous and despicable. Authority leads always to corruption and abuse. Punk ideas concerning authority derive in part from the political ideology of anarchism. Police brutality and institutionalized discrimination against punks also account for this stance on authoritarianism. See songs on #On Authoritarianism. ==Conformity_%28psychology%29== Conformity is viewed as dangerous social coercion, which prevents people from seeing the true nature of society and forces people to be obedient to the desires of those who hold power. See songs on #On Conformity. ==Conspiracy Theory== For many punks, the dissatisfaction they feel for the actions of their governments is so strong that they have developed elaborate conspiracy theories to explain the motivations of their governments. Some of these theories are plausible and are taken seriously. Others are blatant fantasies used to convey deep cynicism. Many songs have been written to express these theories - some serious, others satirical. See songs on #On Conspiracy Theories. ==Militarism== Punk ideology uncompromisingly rejects the use of Armed_force force. To punks, the military is the most extreme form of #Authoritarianism. See songs on #On Militarism. ==Selling out== The issues surrounding the act of compromising one's ethical parameters in exchange for personal gain are of particular relevance to punk ideology and culture. Generally, selling out refers to any abandonment of personal and/or community values in exchange for some reciprocal gain, usually in the form of wealth, status, or power. However, due to the direct association between punk rock music and punk ideology, this issue has taken on a specific meaning unique to the punk rock community. Because anti-establishment attitudes are such an important part of this version of punk ideology, a network of independent music labels, venues, and distributors has slowly come into existence (see #Do It Yourself), allowing parties interested in the creation, distribution, and purchase of independently-produced punk music to opt out of the major label system. These networks bypass the traditional systems of content distribution, which are controlled by a small number of large corporations who many feel stifle creative initiative and marginalize the concepts presented in punk ideology. Often, up-and-coming or long-established punk artists will choose to break from this independent system and work within the established system of major record labels, incurring criticism from within the punk community. Some argue that through their choice, these artists have betrayed their communities and that as punk artists; their creative integrity is necessarily compromised. However, many artists have defended their actions, arguing that working through the major label system is a necessary evil to allow for the widest propagation of their artistic message. The band Chumbawamba is well known for using this justification when they signed on with the major label EMI. See songs on #On Selling Out. ==Religion== Many punk songs have lamented the Conformity that religion inspires and the coercive #Authoritarianism of the Church. Many punks are not religious and believe that religion offers more problems for humanity to deal with than solutions. See songs on #On Religion. ==Patriotism== Most left-wing punks are contemptuous of their governments and do not express a great deal of patriotism. Furthermore, patriotism as devotion to the state conflicts with the anti-statism of anarchism. Punks often object to patriotism as being used as an excuse for governments to act in immoral ways. ==The mass media== Punks often portray the mass media as a dangerous instrument of propaganda. Television is, for the most part seen as a waste of time and a distraction from reality and healthier habits. Punk music often laments the commercialism, and the power interests that control the media. The #Do It Yourself punk ethic is a reaction to this perceived imbalance of power in the media. A new form of highly political punks, who call themselves Individualistic Punks, believe that the media is used as a tool of government control. They argue that by only reporting the two leading parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, the media guarantees itself a win/win situation. They believe that Democrats and Republicans only share subtle differences in contrast to the rest of the political parties. See songs on #On The Media. ==Environmentalism== Many punks are practicing environmentalists. "While there will always be different opinions coming from under the punk banner, the most evident environmental philosophy closely resembles something called 'Deep Ecology'"*. This is a non-anthropocentric form of environmentalism meaning it is a philosophy that sees humans as merely one of many species with no special importance. This idea of Deep Ecology is seen in the last lyrics to the Bad Religion song ''Modern Day Catastrophists'': :What makes you think you can cure our disease? :Maybe it's just our biology, :Maybe it's time to make room for another species, :This is the 21st century See songs on #On Environmentalism. ==Aesthetics== ===Music=== Punk music is loud, fast, and usually didactic. The sound is meant to express impatience, frustration and discontent. It also expresses anger and aggression by being loud and fast. The rhythm is monotonous. Punk music intentionally defies the expectations that the listener has become accustomed to from listening to other, more commercial forms of music. The lyrics are usually sung too fast or loud to be understood by the listener who often must read them from the lyric sheet (usually supplied with the album) in order to understand them. ===Fashion=== In the early 1980's, a very distinct Punk fashion became visible in the subculture. It expressed many of the things that punk music expressed: aggression, rebellion, individualism and so forth. This use of fashion being used as a way to be shocking, may have been influenced in part by the Futurism_%28art%29. As the punk movement matured, fashion became less important as punk ideas became more important. Punk fashion has also received criticisms for being meaningless and for being conformist as the fashion grew in popularity. ===Visual arts=== Visual art is usually straightforward with a clear message. Album covers contain potent messages concerning social injustice, economic disparity, and images of suffering to shock and create a feeling of empathy in the viewer. Alternatively, they may contain images of selfishness, apathy, and other things that may provoke contempt in the viewer. Much of the earlier artwork was in black and white. This was because earlier art was distributed in fanzines created at copy shops. ==Ethics== As explained in the other sections of this article, punk ideology sees the world as deeply corrupt. Because of this worldview, a distinct system of beliefs has emerged from the punk movement, which tries to explain the way people ought to behave in such a bleak world. ===Non-conformity_%28psychology%29=== As the section on #Conformity pointed out, punks see this social phenomenon as deceitful and coercive. Being a nonconformist is one of the most obvious of all punk attributes. The unique, and to many abrasive, sound of punk music expresses not only aggression and discontent but also a refusal to sound mainstream or to sound acceptable to a wide audience. Punk fashion was originally expression of nonconformity with mainstream culure as well as that of hippie counterculture. A prime example of this non-conformity is a quote from Billie Joe Armstrong, lead singer and guitarist of the band Green Day: "A guy walks up to me and asks 'What's Punk?'. So I kick over a garbage can and say 'That's punk!'. So he kicks over the garbage can and says 'That's Punk?', and I say 'No that's a trend!'" See songs on #On conformity. ===DIY punk ethic=== In the late 1970s, the punk movement was operating in an environment controlled to an unacceptable degree by outside influences. Because this impinged on the freedom of the movement, people in the punk scene began creating their own record companies, organizing their own concerts, and creating their own print media. This became known as the DIY movement. "Don't hate the media, ''become'' the media" is a famous motto for this movement. ===Direct Action=== Punks often participate in direct action to accomplish desired goals. In addition to protests, boycotts and so forth, punks are also known for the use of violence. More active and radical members of the community have been known to bomb gas stations, destroy animal research laboratories, and alter billboards to include political messages. Recently the phenomenon of hactivism has been used as an additional method of sabotage. These acts are committed in an effort to create social change when it is thought that the normal channels for change have been proven ineffective. Destruction of private property is often deemed acceptable by punks because it conveys a powerful message of disapproval without hurting people. Because Punks tend to disdain economic materialism, the destruction of someone else's private property does not receive much sympathy. See songs on #On Direct Action. ===Vegetarians, veganism, and animal rights=== Some who identify themselves as punks see the exploitation of animals for food, clothing, and research as an extension of the oppression committed against humans. Other punks unconcerned with the treatment of animals have also converted to vegetarians/veganism based on the belief that raising livestock destroys land and water resources. Some punks believe that the brutal way humans treat animals is psychologically connected to the way humans oppress each other. Another animal rights issue that punks are concerned with is vivisection and other types of experimentation conducted on animals for cosmetic and medical purposes. These practices have prompted protests from the punk community and the creation of direct action organizations like the Animal Liberation Front. See songs on #On Vegetarians Veganism and Animal Rights. ==Links to songs== ===On The Decline Of Man=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/thedecline.html The Decline], The Decline, NOFX ===On Government=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2874 A Commercial], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2797 California Über Alles], Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2847 Dear Abby], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2834 Government Flu], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2869 I Am The Owl], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/idiotsaretakingover.html Idiots are Taking Over], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/murderthegovernment.html Murder the Government], Fuck The Kids 7"/So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/glasswar.html Glass War], 13 Stitches 7", NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/regainingunconsciousness.html Re-Gaining Unconsciousness], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2828 Stars and Stripes of Corruption], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/headsofstate.html Heads Of State], Worlds Apart, Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/holiday.html Holiday], American Idiot, Green Day *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/youvegottodieforthegovernment.html You've Got To Die for Your Government], Die For the Government, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/perfectgovernment.html Perfect Government], Punk In Drublic, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/resistingtyrannicalgovernment.html, Resisting Tyrannical Government], Less Talk, More Rock, Propagandhi ===On conformity=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=60&SongName=Against%20The%20Grain Against the Grain], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=106&SongName=Individual Individual], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=110&SongName=Inner%20Logic Inner Logic], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2878 Chickenshit Conformist], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2837 Terminal Preppie], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=272 Come Join Us], The Gray Race, Bad Religion *[http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/GREEN-DAY/American-Idiot.html American Idiot], American Idiot, Green Day ===On authoritarianism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=87&SongName=Portait%20Of%20Authority Portrait of Authority], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.punkbands.com/lyrics/bands/subhumans/theday.htm#12 No], The Day The Country Died, Subhumans ===On non-conformity=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=140 Blenderhead], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=194 Henchman], No Control, Bad Religion *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/180degrees.html 180 Degrees], So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes, NOFX ===On conspiracy theory=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=97&SongName=Stealth Stealth], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2904 Kinky Sex Makes The World Go 'Round], Give_Me_Convenience_or_Give_Me_Death, Dead Kennedys ===On drug legalization=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/herojuana.html Herojuana], Pump Up the Valuum, NOFX *[http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/F/fifteen-lyrics/fifteen-my-congressman-lyrics.htm My Congressman], Lucky, Fifteen ===On racism=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/dontcallmewhite.html Don't Call Me White], Punk in Drublic, NOFX *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/5330/ Guilty Of Being White], Complete Discography, Minor Threat *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/2829/ Nazi Punks Fuck Off], In God We Trust, INC., Dead Kennedys ===On concerns of totalitarianism=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19309/ Get Off The Phone], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/17148/ Nazi Scum], In Defence Of Our Earth, Oi Polloi *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2867 Bleed For Me], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/10988/ Police Tv], The Massacre, The Exploited ===On vegetarians, veganism and animal rights=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/pigman.html Pigman], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/nailingdescartestothewallliquidmeatisstillmurder.html Nailing Descartes To The Wall], Less Talk, More Rock, Propagandhi *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/clamshavefeelingstooactuallytheydont.html, Clams Have Feelings Too], Pump Up the Valuum, NOFX *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19308/ Flesh And Blood], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/purinahalloffame.html, Purina Hall Of Fame], Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Propagandhi ===On heroes=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/heroes.html Heroes], 29:29 Split Vision_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/minorthreat/goodguysdontwearwhite.html Good Guys Dont Wear White], Complete Discography, Minor Threat ===On consumerism=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19264/ Panic In The Supermarket], Millennia Madness, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/bleedingheartdisease.html Bleeding Heart Disease], Heavy Petting Zoo, NOFX ===On work=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/gettoworkontime.html Get to Work on Time], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/deadkennedys/atmyjob.html At My Job], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/2796/ Soup Is Good Food], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys ===On militarism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=3&SongName=Part%20III Part III], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=7&key=79&SongName=Atomic%20Garden Atomic Garden], Generator_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=74&key=525&SongName=Let%20Them%20Eat%20War Let them Eat War], The Empire Strikes First, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2849 Rambozo the Clown], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=222 All Good Soldiers], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19312/ Charity], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/marchofthecrabs.html, March Of The Crabs], Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Propagandhi ===On society=== *[http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Subhumans/People-Are-Scared.html People are Scared], Rats_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/britishdisease.html British Disease], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/apathy.html Apathy], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/theirrationalityofrationality.html The Irrationality of Rationality], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/circlejerks/beverlyhills.html Beverly Hills], Group Sex, Circle Jerks *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/agentorange/america.html America], Living In Darkness, Agent Orange *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/agentorange/bloodstains.html Bloodstains], Living In Darkness, Agent Orange ===On selling out=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2898 Pull My Strings], Give_Me_Convenience_or_Give_Me_Death, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/walkingcontradiction.html Walking Contradiction], Insomniac, Green Day ===On religion=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=4&SongName=Faith%20in%20God Faith in God], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=12&SongName=Voice%20Of%20God%20Is%20Government Voice of God is Government], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=15&key=165&SongName=Destined%20For%20Nothing Destined for nothing], The Process of Belief, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=219 American Jesus], Recipe_for_Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2815 Moral Majority], In_God_We_Trust%2C_Inc., Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2814 Religious Vomit], In_God_We_Trust%2C_Inc., Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/religiouswars.html Religious Wars], EP-LP_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/germs/nogod.html No God], (MIA) The Complete Anthology, The Germs ===On the mass media=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=7&key=83&SongName=Only%20Entertainment Only Entertainment], Generator_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=105&SongName=Television Television], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2851 Fleshdunce], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2823 M.T.V.--Get Off the Air], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2856 Triumph of the Swill], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.punkbands.com/lyrics/bands/subhumans/cradle.htm#7 Aversity], From the Cradle to the Grave_(album), Subhumans *[http://membres.lycos.fr/fourdu/heyoka.html Ecran Noir], Demain Sera, Heyoka (in French) *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/undergroundnetwork.html Underground Network], Underground Network, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/dinosaurswilldie.html Dinosaurs Will Die], Pump Up The Valuum, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/thecasualties/mediacontrol.html Media Control], On the Front Line, The Casualties *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/germs/mediablitz.html Media Blitz], (MIA) The Complete Anthology, The Germs ===On environmentalism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=95&SongName=Modern%20Day%20Catastrophists Modern Day Catastrophophists], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=51&SongName=Modern%20Man Modern Man], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=65&SongName=Unacceptable Unacceptable], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2861 Cesspools in Eden], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys ===On Direct Action=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2881 D.M.S.O.], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2848 Forest Fire], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://membres.lycos.fr/fourdu/heyoka.html Terra Y Libertad], Demain Sera, Heyoka (in French) *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/goodriddance/classwar2000.html Class War 2000], Ignite/Good Riddance Split 7", Good Riddance *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/gotthenumbers.html Got The Numbers], A New Kind of Army, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/911forpeace.html 911 For Peace], Mobilize, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/tearingdowntheborders.html Tearing Down the Borders], The Terror State, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/onepeopleonestruggle.html One People, One Struggle], The Terror State, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/zapatistadontgiveup.html Zapatista, Don't Give Up], Warped Tour 2001 compilation, Anti-Flag ==Books on Punk ideology== *O'Hara, Craig, ''The Philosophy of Punk'', AK Press, 1999 ISBN 1873176163 ==Important people in Punk ideology== *Penny Rimbaud *Eve Libertine *Joey Shithead *Greg Graffin *Colin Jerwood *Jello Biafra *Dick Lucas *Fat Mike *Steve Ignorant *Brett Gurewitz *Nick Blinko *Boff Whalley *Tim Yohannon *Ian MacKaye *Kathleen Hanna *John Holmstrom *Legs McNeil *Johnny Rotten *Joe Strummer *Darby Crash ==Other Punk ideologies== *Straight Edge Punk ideology *OI Punk ideology *Nazi Punk ideology ==See also== *List_of_musicians_of_Anarcho-punk *Music and politics *Anarcho punk ==External links== *[http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5 ''Punk Manifesto''] by Greg Graffin *[http://www.citizenfish.com/ The Official website for Subhumans and Citizen Fish] *[http://www.badreligion.com/ The Official website for Bad Religion] *[http://www.thebrpage.net/ A very comprehensive site on Bad Religion that offers all song lyrics as well as contributed analyses of the songs.] *[http://www.southern.com/southern/band/CRASS/ The Official website for Crass] *[http://www.maximumrocknroll.com/mainpage/index.html Maximum Rock and Roll Fanzine] (See also Maximum Rock and Roll) *[http://www.plyrics.com/ A Search Engine For Punk Lyrics] ==Bibliography== *O'Hara, Craig, ''The Philosophy of Punk'', AK Press, 1999 ISBN 1873176163 Punk Anarchism Anarcho-punk
==Proposed Todo List== These might be deleted when done. * A section on civil rights, anti-racism, feminism, classism and so on. * Sections for different authoritarian institutions (school, police, the work place, etc.) * A section on capitalism and corporations. * Many more lyric links * A section comparing punk ideology with other cultural ideologies like underground hip-hop * A section on punk and academia * Articles on other punk ideologies (Straight Edge, Oi, etc.). A section for links to these other ideologies now exists. * A section on the the movements and ideologies that influenced punk (Futurism, Dadaism, Situationist, Anarchism, etc.) * A section on anti-capitalism * A section on Consumerism * Figure out if a link to this page should be on the isms page. Should it be called Anarcho-punkism or would that be stupid. * Some relevant pictures on the page. * Section on alienation * Copy edit: among other things, there are not supposed to be links in headings. ==Rationale== This section explains the rationale behind descisions the community had made concerning this article. ===Article Title=== This article was originally titled ''Anarcho-punk ideology'', but it was decided that the prefix ''Anarcho-'' was to restrictive because punk ideology embrasses more that just anarchist theories and practices. See the discussion below titled #Problem with the Article's Name. ===Why the Contents of this Page are not Part of the Anarcho-punk Page=== Anarcho-punk is a subgenre of punk. Anarcho-punk has a culture, history, and ideology (among other things) attributed to it. Each of these represents a distinct concept. A person may have no accociation with the Anarcho-punk culture or its history but may still subscribe to many of the values of Anarcho-punk ideology just from being exposed to Anarcho-punk lyrics sheets or an influencial punk. Additionally, ideas may be discussed on both the Anarcho-punk page and also on this page but this page should discuss them in a way that explains them in terms of punk ideology. For examples, the DIY ethic on this page is written in a way that explains how DIY is seen in ideological terms. This is what distingushes the two pages. ==Discussion== ===Problem with the Article's Name=== What's up w/ all the Bad Religion and Dead Kennedys? Maybe I'm being too narrow but I don't think either one of those qualifies as anarcho-punk (not that I dislike them -- they're just not anarcho-punk). I understand that they may fit into the ideology given on this page (at least before BR sold out). Maybe the page title should be "punk ideology" and that would be more inclusive. I hate to go through and erase so much of another person's work just because I don't feel they fit the category, so I'm asking if there's any sort of consensus on this issue? User:Millerc 08:18, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) BTW, the title "anarcho-punk ideology" made me expect something more along the lines of ''Profane Existance'', not just general punk ideology. User:Millerc 08:22, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) * The terminology for this was very diffficult. I wanted to write about an ideology that I saw was somewhat consistent among many people in the punk community. The closest adjective this ideology I could come up with was "Anarcho-punk". Calling the article "punk ideology" would have been easier but that would have meant that the article would be inclusive of OI punk ideology, straight edge ideology, anti-racisist skinhead ideology, neo-nazi ideology, and probably some I haven't considered yet. I would like to see these seperate ideologies on different pages - it would be to hard to cram them all into one page, especially when they contradict each other in so many areas. The fact that the page has so much BR and DK stuff on it is really just because those were the first bands I started to create lyric links to. I assumed that other people would add links from other bands and I have been meaning to get around to it. Anyway, since there are difficulties with the name of the article, I hope we can come to a conclusion about a more appropriate name because I think the article represents a valid entry in Wikipedia. It just needs a better name. User:TimMony 16:10, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Ah... Anarcho-punk is a specific form of punk, so how about ''anarchist punk ideology''. I think BR and DK would then fit, while neo-nazis, straight edge, etc wouldn't since they're not anarchist. User:Millerc 00:58, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Ok. That's as good as anything I have come up with. Let's let it sit for about a week and see what people reading this thread think. Thanks for your help. User:TimMony 06:09, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::How about ''anarchist ideology in punk'' or the more lengthy ''anarchist ideology in the punk scene'', for the record, i think "Anarcho-punkism" sounds stupid ;) User:FrancisTyers 01:28, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::I'm starting to wonder if the word ''anarchist'' or ''anarcho-'' should be used in the title at all. The ideas mentioned in the article came from people in the punk movement who might but may not consider themselves anarchists. I'm starting to lean towards User:Millerc's original suggestion that it should be called ''punk ideology''. I think when most ''informed'' people hear the word punk they don't think of a specialized form of punk like skinhead, straight edge, or even anarchists; though they may understand that these concepts are associated with ''punk'' in certain respects. I think they are more likely to think of a typical punk as a free thinking, anti-authoritarian, "progressive", and, of course, angry thinker. If no one objects to this counter aurgument to my original counter argument, then I will change the title to ''punk ideology'' and update all the pages that link to it. User:TimMony 05:52, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::Sounds good to me, and I see what you mean, after all, from the Propagandhi page: ''Known to visibly cringe when referred to as anything containing the words "anarcho-" or "punks"'' ;) -- User:FrancisTyers 21:32, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==Hmmm== At a quick read, I find a lot to disagree with here. There are (even post-1980 or post-1984) plenty of apolitical bands with a punk sound; conversely, there were some very political punk bands well before that, the most obvious example being the Clash. For that matter, Patti Smith's politics, while less articulated, are in this territory. And what about the Minutemen? Punk didn't suddenly get political at one point in its history, nor are its politics uniform. This seems to describe the ideology of a particular segment of the punk movement: it's a fair description of the views dominating ''Maximum Rock'n'roll'', but even in that context it would hardly characterize Mykel Board. -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 18:18, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC) :Your right, the history sections is inaccurate and makes to many generalizations. As far as your thoughts on the ideology exponded by the article, I again agree. Alot of punk is apolitical, no doubt. The article was originally named Anarcho-punk ideology (see above). This was seen as too restrictive so I changed it to ''Punk ideology''. Now it would appear that this is not restrictive enough for the article. Do you have any suggestions to correct these problems. I'm currently at a loss. User:TimMony 22:14, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::"Anarchist punk ideology" is certainly closer to the mark. I can't see any problem with that as the focus (and title) of an article; there could be an indication of the degree to which other punks do or do not buy into various aspects of that ideology. I would say that anarchist punks are precisely who ''have'' a well-developed ideology connected to the whole punk scene; the only other punk ideologues I can think of are the very marginal right-wing white-power types. -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 23:15, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC) :::Quite so. I was listening to the music from the beginning, and this article seems to want to impose a general worldview on a pop music phenomenon. While some bought into the Stalinist claptrap the Clash were pushing, many of us found Strummer strident and unconvincing, even more of the people I knew just didn't care, it was all beer and fighting for them. It was a fashion for most people, a fashion of disgust for and a satire of commercialism for some, but there wasn't an overwhelming sense of political consciousness that this article wants to imply. User:Fire Star 18:03, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC) == "Punks" == I don't know how I feel about references to "Punks" within this article. Yes, there are people who think of themselves as punks. There are also lots of people who subscribe to many aspects of punk ideology without referring to themselves as being "a punk" or "punks". I believe that it may be possible to consider oneself "a member of the/my/a punk-rock community" or even "punk" without considering oneself "a punk." Seeing as how important respect for self-identity is within punk culture, this is something we're going to have to deal with. Basically, there's a huge spectrum of people who adhere to various aspects of Punk ideology as part of their lifestyle, and I think it's our responsibility to illuminate that spectrum as much as possible.User:Dwiki 10:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Yes, I agree, thats why I wrote "The rest of this article will use the word "Punk" to refer to punk ideology or to a person who espouses Punk ideology." at the top of the article. However, I understand your concern. I would like to go through the article and replace all references to ''Punk'' with something more accurate but I'm not sure what it would be. Appearntly it can be done because your contribution to the ''Selling out'' section didn't rely on the lable at all. When I get some some I will look into rewording the article. ==Origins== This page should also take a close look at what lead into punk and a look at the first punks: Richard Hell and the Voidoids, The Dead Boys, The Ramones, and in England: The Sex Pistols etc. It should probably also mention the influence of such bands/people as Iggy Pop, Suicide with Alan Suicide (Alan Vega), MC5, Patti Smith, The New York Dolls, and many others. This is an excellent start, but we need to address origins as well. Also, the article only mentions a few bands, there are many missing, particularly brit bands. It'll be some work, and I'll help. It needs to be done to create a comprehensive article on punk ideology. (unsigned, but it's User:Sekoh 13 March 2005) : I would really enjoy reading about how the early pioneers contributed to punk ideology. I would have a hard time doing it myself because I really don't understand how those bands contributed to punk thought. The list of bands isn't very complete for sure. Although I'm surprised you don't see alot of brit bands, at lease we have Subhumans, Crass, Citizen Fish, and Oi Polloi (or are they Scottish). User:TimMony 21:51, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) Yeah, but there are a lot more Brit bands out there. Also, I forgot to mention The Dead Boys in my list of pre-punks. I might add that section myself after I finish reading the book ''From the Velvets to the Voidoids: a Pre-punk history for a Post-punk world'' It's an amazing resource and I reccommend it highly. I discovered many bands from this book, and learned much about those I already listened too.--User:Sekoh 20:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Foreign Language Punk == I added a couple of tracks by French band "Heyoka", I can provide a translation of the lyrics if required, but I was thinking, maybe this should go in a separate section or article? Although... punk ideology is pretty international... What do other people think? User:FrancisTyers 06:49, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Assuming the band are significant—I've never heard of them, but I couldn't name a French-language punk more recent that Plastique Bertrand—they certainly would deserve an article of their own. Assuming that you are a Francophone, it probably makes the most sense to write on first in the French Wikipedia, then to write one in English -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 18:27, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC) ::Done User:FrancisTyers 20:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Anarchism Template == I moved it from the bottom to the top (where I think it looks slightly less shit), but does this really belong here? User:FrancisTyers 20:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) : Some people say this page should be called ''anarcho-punk idealogy'' or ''anarchist punk ideology''. Others say that is to restrictive and that it should be called ''punk ideology''. Personally I favor ''punk ideology'' and I don't mind the template being here because there is a clear relationship to punk thought and anarchism. I wont put it back however; I will let others decided.User:TimMony 21:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::If it's ''punk ideology'' it definitely needs to be expanded to take in a much wider range of views. The article as it currently stands describes something more akin to a subset of punk ideology, which ranges from hard left to hard right and everything in between. --User:Delirium 04:08, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) == Should the list of songs be on a seperate article? == I just deleted entire sections which were duplicated (pretty much the entire article), I suggest that the list of songs should be moved to a seperate article. --User:Slark 01:17, 2005 May 30 (UTC) :Thanks for cleaning that up, I didn't even notice. I'm happy with the songs in the the article but I wouldn't complain if they were somewhere else.User:TimMony 07:17, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
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Beginning in the late 1970s and continuing to the present, there has evolved a distinctive and largely cohesive system of thought associated with the punk culture subculture (often simply referred to as ''punk''). Individualism, anti-authoritarianism, political anarchism, Freethought, and ethics are concepts, among others, that are addressed by this philosophy. Punk ideology views the world and most that are in it as deeply corrupt and wrong. Punk thoughts usually achieve expression through punk music, fanzines, and spoken-word albums. This article focuses on a perception of general punk ideology. For information on more specific types of punk ideologies see the section titled #Other Punk Ideologies. The rest of this article will use the word "punk" to refer to this generalized punk ideology or to a person who espouses this general take on punk ideology. Therefore, this article only provides a rough generalization of the philosophies of certain groups who identify themselves as ''punks'' and is not likely to completely represent the views of all or even the majority of those who do so. ==History== Punk, since the mid-1970s, has been a movement of shock, rebellion and discontent. As time has progressed, punk has become an overt socio-political movement for some who identify themselves as punks. Bands like Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, Crass, Conflict, Subhumans and many others helped to contribute to this ideological climate. In their lyrics, these bands expressed serious discontent with the systems and institutions that organize and control the world. They also offered analysis and potential solutions to the world's problems. This spirit is active to this day in punk music and has matured and expanded in its range. ==Politics== The political ideology most often associated with punk is that of anarchism. A lot of punk activism has been done in support of anarchist goals. Whether a punk subscribes to anarchism or not, he or she almost certainly is discontent with his or her government. Punks are often very active in trying to change their governing political systems to some extent. When punks engage in activism their demands can usually be described as Progressivism. Despite the similarities punk may have with the Left wing, many punks perceive the efforts of the left as ineffectual and sometimes just as objectionable as the Right wing. See songs on #On Government. ==Authoritarianism== In punk thought, authority corrupts humans to intolerable extremes. Police, religion, governments and any other institution that has the ability to coerce is seen as dangerous and despicable. Authority leads always to corruption and abuse. Punk ideas concerning authority derive in part from the political ideology of anarchism. Police brutality and institutionalized discrimination against punks also account for this stance on authoritarianism. See songs on #On Authoritarianism. ==Conformity_%28psychology%29== Conformity is viewed as dangerous social coercion, which prevents people from seeing the true nature of society and forces people to be obedient to the desires of those who hold power. See songs on #On Conformity. ==Conspiracy Theory== For many punks, the dissatisfaction they feel for the actions of their governments is so strong that they have developed elaborate conspiracy theories to explain the motivations of their governments. Some of these theories are plausible and are taken seriously. Others are blatant fantasies used to convey deep cynicism. Many songs have been written to express these theories - some serious, others satirical. See songs on #On Conspiracy Theories. ==Militarism== Punk ideology uncompromisingly rejects the use of Armed_force force. To punks, the military is the most extreme form of #Authoritarianism. See songs on #On Militarism. ==Selling out== The issues surrounding the act of compromising one's ethical parameters in exchange for personal gain are of particular relevance to punk ideology and culture. Generally, selling out refers to any abandonment of personal and/or community values in exchange for some reciprocal gain, usually in the form of wealth, status, or power. However, due to the direct association between punk rock music and punk ideology, this issue has taken on a specific meaning unique to the punk rock community. Because anti-establishment attitudes are such an important part of this version of punk ideology, a network of independent music labels, venues, and distributors has slowly come into existence (see #Do It Yourself), allowing parties interested in the creation, distribution, and purchase of independently-produced punk music to opt out of the major label system. These networks bypass the traditional systems of content distribution, which are controlled by a small number of large corporations who many feel stifle creative initiative and marginalize the concepts presented in punk ideology. Often, up-and-coming or long-established punk artists will choose to break from this independent system and work within the established system of major record labels, incurring criticism from within the punk community. Some argue that through their choice, these artists have betrayed their communities and that as punk artists; their creative integrity is necessarily compromised. However, many artists have defended their actions, arguing that working through the major label system is a necessary evil to allow for the widest propagation of their artistic message. The band Chumbawamba is well known for using this justification when they signed on with the major label EMI. See songs on #On Selling Out. ==Religion== Many punk songs have lamented the Conformity that religion inspires and the coercive #Authoritarianism of the Church. Many punks are not religious and believe that religion offers more problems for humanity to deal with than solutions. See songs on #On Religion. ==Patriotism== Most left-wing punks are contemptuous of their governments and do not express a great deal of patriotism. Furthermore, patriotism as devotion to the state conflicts with the anti-statism of anarchism. Punks often object to patriotism as being used as an excuse for governments to act in immoral ways. ==The mass media== Punks often portray the mass media as a dangerous instrument of propaganda. Television is, for the most part seen as a waste of time and a distraction from reality and healthier habits. Punk music often laments the commercialism, and the power interests that control the media. The #Do It Yourself punk ethic is a reaction to this perceived imbalance of power in the media. A new form of highly political punks, who call themselves Individualistic Punks, believe that the media is used as a tool of government control. They argue that by only reporting the two leading parties, the Democrats and the Republicans, the media guarantees itself a win/win situation. They believe that Democrats and Republicans only share subtle differences in contrast to the rest of the political parties. See songs on #On The Media. ==Environmentalism== Many punks are practicing environmentalists. "While there will always be different opinions coming from under the punk banner, the most evident environmental philosophy closely resembles something called 'Deep Ecology'"*. This is a non-anthropocentric form of environmentalism meaning it is a philosophy that sees humans as merely one of many species with no special importance. This idea of Deep Ecology is seen in the last lyrics to the Bad Religion song ''Modern Day Catastrophists'': :What makes you think you can cure our disease? :Maybe it's just our biology, :Maybe it's time to make room for another species, :This is the 21st century See songs on #On Environmentalism. ==Aesthetics== ===Music=== Punk music is loud, fast, and usually didactic. The sound is meant to express impatience, frustration and discontent. It also expresses anger and aggression by being loud and fast. The rhythm is monotonous. Punk music intentionally defies the expectations that the listener has become accustomed to from listening to other, more commercial forms of music. The lyrics are usually sung too fast or loud to be understood by the listener who often must read them from the lyric sheet (usually supplied with the album) in order to understand them. ===Fashion=== In the early 1980's, a very distinct Punk fashion became visible in the subculture. It expressed many of the things that punk music expressed: aggression, rebellion, individualism and so forth. This use of fashion being used as a way to be shocking, may have been influenced in part by the Futurism_%28art%29. As the punk movement matured, fashion became less important as punk ideas became more important. Punk fashion has also received criticisms for being meaningless and for being conformist as the fashion grew in popularity. ===Visual arts=== Visual art is usually straightforward with a clear message. Album covers contain potent messages concerning social injustice, economic disparity, and images of suffering to shock and create a feeling of empathy in the viewer. Alternatively, they may contain images of selfishness, apathy, and other things that may provoke contempt in the viewer. Much of the earlier artwork was in black and white. This was because earlier art was distributed in fanzines created at copy shops. ==Ethics== As explained in the other sections of this article, punk ideology sees the world as deeply corrupt. Because of this worldview, a distinct system of beliefs has emerged from the punk movement, which tries to explain the way people ought to behave in such a bleak world. ===Non-conformity_%28psychology%29=== As the section on #Conformity pointed out, punks see this social phenomenon as deceitful and coercive. Being a nonconformist is one of the most obvious of all punk attributes. The unique, and to many abrasive, sound of punk music expresses not only aggression and discontent but also a refusal to sound mainstream or to sound acceptable to a wide audience. Punk fashion was originally expression of nonconformity with mainstream culure as well as that of hippie counterculture. A prime example of this non-conformity is a quote from Billie Joe Armstrong, lead singer and guitarist of the band Green Day: "A guy walks up to me and asks 'What's Punk?'. So I kick over a garbage can and say 'That's punk!'. So he kicks over the garbage can and says 'That's Punk?', and I say 'No that's a trend!'" See songs on #On conformity. ===DIY punk ethic=== In the late 1970s, the punk movement was operating in an environment controlled to an unacceptable degree by outside influences. Because this impinged on the freedom of the movement, people in the punk scene began creating their own record companies, organizing their own concerts, and creating their own print media. This became known as the DIY movement. "Don't hate the media, ''become'' the media" is a famous motto for this movement. ===Direct Action=== Punks often participate in direct action to accomplish desired goals. In addition to protests, boycotts and so forth, punks are also known for the use of violence. More active and radical members of the community have been known to bomb gas stations, destroy animal research laboratories, and alter billboards to include political messages. Recently the phenomenon of hactivism has been used as an additional method of sabotage. These acts are committed in an effort to create social change when it is thought that the normal channels for change have been proven ineffective. Destruction of private property is often deemed acceptable by punks because it conveys a powerful message of disapproval without hurting people. Because Punks tend to disdain economic materialism, the destruction of someone else's private property does not receive much sympathy. See songs on #On Direct Action. ===Vegetarians, veganism, and animal rights=== Some who identify themselves as punks see the exploitation of animals for food, clothing, and research as an extension of the oppression committed against humans. Other punks unconcerned with the treatment of animals have also converted to vegetarians/veganism based on the belief that raising livestock destroys land and water resources. Some punks believe that the brutal way humans treat animals is psychologically connected to the way humans oppress each other. Another animal rights issue that punks are concerned with is vivisection and other types of experimentation conducted on animals for cosmetic and medical purposes. These practices have prompted protests from the punk community and the creation of direct action organizations like the Animal Liberation Front. See songs on #On Vegetarians Veganism and Animal Rights. ==Links to songs== ===On The Decline Of Man=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/thedecline.html The Decline], The Decline, NOFX ===On Government=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2874 A Commercial], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2797 California Über Alles], Fresh Fruit For Rotting Vegetables, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2847 Dear Abby], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2834 Government Flu], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2869 I Am The Owl], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/idiotsaretakingover.html Idiots are Taking Over], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/murderthegovernment.html Murder the Government], Fuck The Kids 7"/So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/glasswar.html Glass War], 13 Stitches 7", NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/regainingunconsciousness.html Re-Gaining Unconsciousness], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2828 Stars and Stripes of Corruption], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/headsofstate.html Heads Of State], Worlds Apart, Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/holiday.html Holiday], American Idiot, Green Day *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/youvegottodieforthegovernment.html You've Got To Die for Your Government], Die For the Government, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/perfectgovernment.html Perfect Government], Punk In Drublic, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/resistingtyrannicalgovernment.html, Resisting Tyrannical Government], Less Talk, More Rock, Propagandhi ===On conformity=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=60&SongName=Against%20The%20Grain Against the Grain], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=106&SongName=Individual Individual], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=110&SongName=Inner%20Logic Inner Logic], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2878 Chickenshit Conformist], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2837 Terminal Preppie], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=272 Come Join Us], The Gray Race, Bad Religion *[http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/GREEN-DAY/American-Idiot.html American Idiot], American Idiot, Green Day ===On authoritarianism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=87&SongName=Portait%20Of%20Authority Portrait of Authority], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.punkbands.com/lyrics/bands/subhumans/theday.htm#12 No], The Day The Country Died, Subhumans ===On non-conformity=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=140 Blenderhead], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=194 Henchman], No Control, Bad Religion *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/180degrees.html 180 Degrees], So Long and Thanks for All the Shoes, NOFX ===On conspiracy theory=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=97&SongName=Stealth Stealth], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2904 Kinky Sex Makes The World Go 'Round], Give_Me_Convenience_or_Give_Me_Death, Dead Kennedys ===On drug legalization=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/herojuana.html Herojuana], Pump Up the Valuum, NOFX *[http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/F/fifteen-lyrics/fifteen-my-congressman-lyrics.htm My Congressman], Lucky, Fifteen ===On racism=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/dontcallmewhite.html Don't Call Me White], Punk in Drublic, NOFX *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/5330/ Guilty Of Being White], Complete Discography, Minor Threat *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/2829/ Nazi Punks Fuck Off], In God We Trust, INC., Dead Kennedys ===On concerns of totalitarianism=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19309/ Get Off The Phone], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/17148/ Nazi Scum], In Defence Of Our Earth, Oi Polloi *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2867 Bleed For Me], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/10988/ Police Tv], The Massacre, The Exploited ===On vegetarians, veganism and animal rights=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/pigman.html Pigman], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/nailingdescartestothewallliquidmeatisstillmurder.html Nailing Descartes To The Wall], Less Talk, More Rock, Propagandhi *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/clamshavefeelingstooactuallytheydont.html, Clams Have Feelings Too], Pump Up the Valuum, NOFX *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19308/ Flesh And Blood], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/purinahalloffame.html, Purina Hall Of Fame], Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Propagandhi ===On heroes=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/heroes.html Heroes], 29:29 Split Vision_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/minorthreat/goodguysdontwearwhite.html Good Guys Dont Wear White], Complete Discography, Minor Threat ===On consumerism=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19264/ Panic In The Supermarket], Millennia Madness, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/bleedingheartdisease.html Bleeding Heart Disease], Heavy Petting Zoo, NOFX ===On work=== *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/gettoworkontime.html Get to Work on Time], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/deadkennedys/atmyjob.html At My Job], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://skaponk.com/lyrics/2796/ Soup Is Good Food], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys ===On militarism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=3&SongName=Part%20III Part III], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=7&key=79&SongName=Atomic%20Garden Atomic Garden], Generator_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=74&key=525&SongName=Let%20Them%20Eat%20War Let them Eat War], The Empire Strikes First, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2849 Rambozo the Clown], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=222 All Good Soldiers], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/lyrics/19312/ Charity], Free Souls in a Trapped Environment, Citizen Fish *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/propagandhi/marchofthecrabs.html, March Of The Crabs], Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes, Propagandhi ===On society=== *[http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Subhumans/People-Are-Scared.html People are Scared], Rats_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/britishdisease.html British Disease], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/apathy.html Apathy], Worlds Apart_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/theirrationalityofrationality.html The Irrationality of Rationality], The War on Errorism, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/circlejerks/beverlyhills.html Beverly Hills], Group Sex, Circle Jerks *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/agentorange/america.html America], Living In Darkness, Agent Orange *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/agentorange/bloodstains.html Bloodstains], Living In Darkness, Agent Orange ===On selling out=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2898 Pull My Strings], Give_Me_Convenience_or_Give_Me_Death, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/greenday/walkingcontradiction.html Walking Contradiction], Insomniac, Green Day ===On religion=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=4&SongName=Faith%20in%20God Faith in God], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=1&key=12&SongName=Voice%20Of%20God%20Is%20Government Voice of God is Government], How_Could_Hell_Be_Any_Worse%3F, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=15&key=165&SongName=Destined%20For%20Nothing Destined for nothing], The Process of Belief, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=219 American Jesus], Recipe_for_Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2815 Moral Majority], In_God_We_Trust%2C_Inc., Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2814 Religious Vomit], In_God_We_Trust%2C_Inc., Dead Kennedys *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/subhumans/religiouswars.html Religious Wars], EP-LP_(album), Subhumans *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/germs/nogod.html No God], (MIA) The Complete Anthology, The Germs ===On the mass media=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=7&key=83&SongName=Only%20Entertainment Only Entertainment], Generator_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=9&key=105&SongName=Television Television], Stranger Than Fiction, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2851 Fleshdunce], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2823 M.T.V.--Get Off the Air], Frankenchrist, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2856 Triumph of the Swill], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.punkbands.com/lyrics/bands/subhumans/cradle.htm#7 Aversity], From the Cradle to the Grave_(album), Subhumans *[http://membres.lycos.fr/fourdu/heyoka.html Ecran Noir], Demain Sera, Heyoka (in French) *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/undergroundnetwork.html Underground Network], Underground Network, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/nofx/dinosaurswilldie.html Dinosaurs Will Die], Pump Up The Valuum, NOFX *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/thecasualties/mediacontrol.html Media Control], On the Front Line, The Casualties *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/germs/mediablitz.html Media Blitz], (MIA) The Complete Anthology, The Germs ===On environmentalism=== *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=8&key=95&SongName=Modern%20Day%20Catastrophists Modern Day Catastrophophists], Recipe for Hate, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=51&SongName=Modern%20Man Modern Man], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.thebrpage.net/songs.asp?AlbumID=5&key=65&SongName=Unacceptable Unacceptable], Against_the_Grain_%28album%29, Bad Religion *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2861 Cesspools in Eden], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys ===On Direct Action=== *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2881 D.M.S.O.], Bedtime for Democracy, Dead Kennedys *[http://www.skaponk.com/view_lyrics.php?id=2848 Forest Fire], Plastic Surgery Disasters, Dead Kennedys *[http://membres.lycos.fr/fourdu/heyoka.html Terra Y Libertad], Demain Sera, Heyoka (in French) *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/goodriddance/classwar2000.html Class War 2000], Ignite/Good Riddance Split 7", Good Riddance *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/gotthenumbers.html Got The Numbers], A New Kind of Army, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/911forpeace.html 911 For Peace], Mobilize, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/tearingdowntheborders.html Tearing Down the Borders], The Terror State, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/onepeopleonestruggle.html One People, One Struggle], The Terror State, Anti-Flag *[http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/antiflag/zapatistadontgiveup.html Zapatista, Don't Give Up], Warped Tour 2001 compilation, Anti-Flag ==Books on Punk ideology== *O'Hara, Craig, ''The Philosophy of Punk'', AK Press, 1999 ISBN 1873176163 ==Important people in Punk ideology== *Penny Rimbaud *Eve Libertine *Joey Shithead *Greg Graffin *Colin Jerwood *Jello Biafra *Dick Lucas *Fat Mike *Steve Ignorant *Brett Gurewitz *Nick Blinko *Boff Whalley *Tim Yohannon *Ian MacKaye *Kathleen Hanna *John Holmstrom *Legs McNeil *Johnny Rotten *Joe Strummer *Darby Crash ==Other Punk ideologies== *Straight Edge Punk ideology *OI Punk ideology *Nazi Punk ideology ==See also== *List_of_musicians_of_Anarcho-punk *Music and politics *Anarcho punk ==External links== *[http://www.badreligion.com/news/essays.php?id=5 ''Punk Manifesto''] by Greg Graffin *[http://www.citizenfish.com/ The Official website for Subhumans and Citizen Fish] *[http://www.badreligion.com/ The Official website for Bad Religion] *[http://www.thebrpage.net/ A very comprehensive site on Bad Religion that offers all song lyrics as well as contributed analyses of the songs.] *[http://www.southern.com/southern/band/CRASS/ The Official website for Crass] *[http://www.maximumrocknroll.com/mainpage/index.html Maximum Rock and Roll Fanzine] (See also Maximum Rock and Roll) *[http://www.plyrics.com/ A Search Engine For Punk Lyrics] ==Bibliography== *O'Hara, Craig, ''The Philosophy of Punk'', AK Press, 1999 ISBN 1873176163 Punk Anarchism Anarcho-punk
Punk ideology
==Proposed Todo List== These might be deleted when done. * A section on civil rights, anti-racism, feminism, classism and so on. * Sections for different authoritarian institutions (school, police, the work place, etc.) * A section on capitalism and corporations. * Many more lyric links * A section comparing punk ideology with other cultural ideologies like underground hip-hop * A section on punk and academia * Articles on other punk ideologies (Straight Edge, Oi, etc.). A section for links to these other ideologies now exists. * A section on the the movements and ideologies that influenced punk (Futurism, Dadaism, Situationist, Anarchism, etc.) * A section on anti-capitalism * A section on Consumerism * Figure out if a link to this page should be on the isms page. Should it be called Anarcho-punkism or would that be stupid. * Some relevant pictures on the page. * Section on alienation * Copy edit: among other things, there are not supposed to be links in headings. ==Rationale== This section explains the rationale behind descisions the community had made concerning this article. ===Article Title=== This article was originally titled ''Anarcho-punk ideology'', but it was decided that the prefix ''Anarcho-'' was to restrictive because punk ideology embrasses more that just anarchist theories and practices. See the discussion below titled #Problem with the Article's Name. ===Why the Contents of this Page are not Part of the Anarcho-punk Page=== Anarcho-punk is a subgenre of punk. Anarcho-punk has a culture, history, and ideology (among other things) attributed to it. Each of these represents a distinct concept. A person may have no accociation with the Anarcho-punk culture or its history but may still subscribe to many of the values of Anarcho-punk ideology just from being exposed to Anarcho-punk lyrics sheets or an influencial punk. Additionally, ideas may be discussed on both the Anarcho-punk page and also on this page but this page should discuss them in a way that explains them in terms of punk ideology. For examples, the DIY ethic on this page is written in a way that explains how DIY is seen in ideological terms. This is what distingushes the two pages. ==Discussion== ===Problem with the Article's Name=== What's up w/ all the Bad Religion and Dead Kennedys? Maybe I'm being too narrow but I don't think either one of those qualifies as anarcho-punk (not that I dislike them -- they're just not anarcho-punk). I understand that they may fit into the ideology given on this page (at least before BR sold out). Maybe the page title should be "punk ideology" and that would be more inclusive. I hate to go through and erase so much of another person's work just because I don't feel they fit the category, so I'm asking if there's any sort of consensus on this issue? User:Millerc 08:18, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) BTW, the title "anarcho-punk ideology" made me expect something more along the lines of ''Profane Existance'', not just general punk ideology. User:Millerc 08:22, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) * The terminology for this was very diffficult. I wanted to write about an ideology that I saw was somewhat consistent among many people in the punk community. The closest adjective this ideology I could come up with was "Anarcho-punk". Calling the article "punk ideology" would have been easier but that would have meant that the article would be inclusive of OI punk ideology, straight edge ideology, anti-racisist skinhead ideology, neo-nazi ideology, and probably some I haven't considered yet. I would like to see these seperate ideologies on different pages - it would be to hard to cram them all into one page, especially when they contradict each other in so many areas. The fact that the page has so much BR and DK stuff on it is really just because those were the first bands I started to create lyric links to. I assumed that other people would add links from other bands and I have been meaning to get around to it. Anyway, since there are difficulties with the name of the article, I hope we can come to a conclusion about a more appropriate name because I think the article represents a valid entry in Wikipedia. It just needs a better name. User:TimMony 16:10, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Ah... Anarcho-punk is a specific form of punk, so how about ''anarchist punk ideology''. I think BR and DK would then fit, while neo-nazis, straight edge, etc wouldn't since they're not anarchist. User:Millerc 00:58, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Ok. That's as good as anything I have come up with. Let's let it sit for about a week and see what people reading this thread think. Thanks for your help. User:TimMony 06:09, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::How about ''anarchist ideology in punk'' or the more lengthy ''anarchist ideology in the punk scene'', for the record, i think "Anarcho-punkism" sounds stupid ;) User:FrancisTyers 01:28, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::I'm starting to wonder if the word ''anarchist'' or ''anarcho-'' should be used in the title at all. The ideas mentioned in the article came from people in the punk movement who might but may not consider themselves anarchists. I'm starting to lean towards User:Millerc's original suggestion that it should be called ''punk ideology''. I think when most ''informed'' people hear the word punk they don't think of a specialized form of punk like skinhead, straight edge, or even anarchists; though they may understand that these concepts are associated with ''punk'' in certain respects. I think they are more likely to think of a typical punk as a free thinking, anti-authoritarian, "progressive", and, of course, angry thinker. If no one objects to this counter aurgument to my original counter argument, then I will change the title to ''punk ideology'' and update all the pages that link to it. User:TimMony 05:52, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::Sounds good to me, and I see what you mean, after all, from the Propagandhi page: ''Known to visibly cringe when referred to as anything containing the words "anarcho-" or "punks"'' ;) -- User:FrancisTyers 21:32, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==Hmmm== At a quick read, I find a lot to disagree with here. There are (even post-1980 or post-1984) plenty of apolitical bands with a punk sound; conversely, there were some very political punk bands well before that, the most obvious example being the Clash. For that matter, Patti Smith's politics, while less articulated, are in this territory. And what about the Minutemen? Punk didn't suddenly get political at one point in its history, nor are its politics uniform. This seems to describe the ideology of a particular segment of the punk movement: it's a fair description of the views dominating ''Maximum Rock'n'roll'', but even in that context it would hardly characterize Mykel Board. -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 18:18, Jan 22, 2005 (UTC) :Your right, the history sections is inaccurate and makes to many generalizations. As far as your thoughts on the ideology exponded by the article, I again agree. Alot of punk is apolitical, no doubt. The article was originally named Anarcho-punk ideology (see above). This was seen as too restrictive so I changed it to ''Punk ideology''. Now it would appear that this is not restrictive enough for the article. Do you have any suggestions to correct these problems. I'm currently at a loss. User:TimMony 22:14, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::"Anarchist punk ideology" is certainly closer to the mark. I can't see any problem with that as the focus (and title) of an article; there could be an indication of the degree to which other punks do or do not buy into various aspects of that ideology. I would say that anarchist punks are precisely who ''have'' a well-developed ideology connected to the whole punk scene; the only other punk ideologues I can think of are the very marginal right-wing white-power types. -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 23:15, Jan 23, 2005 (UTC) :::Quite so. I was listening to the music from the beginning, and this article seems to want to impose a general worldview on a pop music phenomenon. While some bought into the Stalinist claptrap the Clash were pushing, many of us found Strummer strident and unconvincing, even more of the people I knew just didn't care, it was all beer and fighting for them. It was a fashion for most people, a fashion of disgust for and a satire of commercialism for some, but there wasn't an overwhelming sense of political consciousness that this article wants to imply. User:Fire Star 18:03, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC) == "Punks" == I don't know how I feel about references to "Punks" within this article. Yes, there are people who think of themselves as punks. There are also lots of people who subscribe to many aspects of punk ideology without referring to themselves as being "a punk" or "punks". I believe that it may be possible to consider oneself "a member of the/my/a punk-rock community" or even "punk" without considering oneself "a punk." Seeing as how important respect for self-identity is within punk culture, this is something we're going to have to deal with. Basically, there's a huge spectrum of people who adhere to various aspects of Punk ideology as part of their lifestyle, and I think it's our responsibility to illuminate that spectrum as much as possible.User:Dwiki 10:45, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Yes, I agree, thats why I wrote "The rest of this article will use the word "Punk" to refer to punk ideology or to a person who espouses Punk ideology." at the top of the article. However, I understand your concern. I would like to go through the article and replace all references to ''Punk'' with something more accurate but I'm not sure what it would be. Appearntly it can be done because your contribution to the ''Selling out'' section didn't rely on the lable at all. When I get some some I will look into rewording the article. ==Origins== This page should also take a close look at what lead into punk and a look at the first punks: Richard Hell and the Voidoids, The Dead Boys, The Ramones, and in England: The Sex Pistols etc. It should probably also mention the influence of such bands/people as Iggy Pop, Suicide with Alan Suicide (Alan Vega), MC5, Patti Smith, The New York Dolls, and many others. This is an excellent start, but we need to address origins as well. Also, the article only mentions a few bands, there are many missing, particularly brit bands. It'll be some work, and I'll help. It needs to be done to create a comprehensive article on punk ideology. (unsigned, but it's User:Sekoh 13 March 2005) : I would really enjoy reading about how the early pioneers contributed to punk ideology. I would have a hard time doing it myself because I really don't understand how those bands contributed to punk thought. The list of bands isn't very complete for sure. Although I'm surprised you don't see alot of brit bands, at lease we have Subhumans, Crass, Citizen Fish, and Oi Polloi (or are they Scottish). User:TimMony 21:51, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) Yeah, but there are a lot more Brit bands out there. Also, I forgot to mention The Dead Boys in my list of pre-punks. I might add that section myself after I finish reading the book ''From the Velvets to the Voidoids: a Pre-punk history for a Post-punk world'' It's an amazing resource and I reccommend it highly. I discovered many bands from this book, and learned much about those I already listened too.--User:Sekoh 20:41, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Foreign Language Punk == I added a couple of tracks by French band "Heyoka", I can provide a translation of the lyrics if required, but I was thinking, maybe this should go in a separate section or article? Although... punk ideology is pretty international... What do other people think? User:FrancisTyers 06:49, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Assuming the band are significant—I've never heard of them, but I couldn't name a French-language punk more recent that Plastique Bertrand—they certainly would deserve an article of their own. Assuming that you are a Francophone, it probably makes the most sense to write on first in the French Wikipedia, then to write one in English -- User:Jmabel | User talk:Jmabel 18:27, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC) ::Done User:FrancisTyers 20:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Anarchism Template == I moved it from the bottom to the top (where I think it looks slightly less shit), but does this really belong here? User:FrancisTyers 20:49, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) : Some people say this page should be called ''anarcho-punk idealogy'' or ''anarchist punk ideology''. Others say that is to restrictive and that it should be called ''punk ideology''. Personally I favor ''punk ideology'' and I don't mind the template being here because there is a clear relationship to punk thought and anarchism. I wont put it back however; I will let others decided.User:TimMony 21:56, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::If it's ''punk ideology'' it definitely needs to be expanded to take in a much wider range of views. The article as it currently stands describes something more akin to a subset of punk ideology, which ranges from hard left to hard right and everything in between. --User:Delirium 04:08, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) == Should the list of songs be on a seperate article? == I just deleted entire sections which were duplicated (pretty much the entire article), I suggest that the list of songs should be moved to a seperate article. --User:Slark 01:17, 2005 May 30 (UTC) :Thanks for cleaning that up, I didn't even notice. I'm happy with the songs in the the article but I wouldn't complain if they were somewhere else.User:TimMony 07:17, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
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