Prime Minister

A prime minister may be either: *the chief or leading member of the cabinet (government) of the top-level government in a country having a parliamentary system of government; or *the official, in countries with a semi-presidential system of government, appointed to manage the civil service and execute the directives of the President. [[Image:Karsh_Churchill.jpg|thumb|144px|Winston Churchill
Prime Minister of the United Kingdom (1940-1945, 1951-1955)]] In parliamentary systems like the British Westminster system, the prime minister is the head of the government while the position of head of state is largely ceremonial. In some monarchy the prime minister exercises powers (known as the Royal Prerogative) which are constitutionally vested in the Crown and can be exercised without the approval of parliament. As well as being Head of Government, a prime minister may have other roles or titles—the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, for example, is also First Lord of the Treasury. Prime ministers may take other ministerial posts—for example during the Second World War Winston Churchill was also Minister of Defence. ==Prime ministers in republics and in monarchies== [[Image:K willoch 2004.jpg|144px|thumb|left|K�re Willoch, Prime Minister of Norway 1981-1986]] The post of prime minister is one which may be encountered both in constitutional Monarch (such as Belgium, Denmark, Japan, the Netherlands, Norway, Spain, and the United Kingdom), and in republics in which the head of state is an elected or unelected official with varying degrees of real power. This contrasts with the presidential system, in which the President (or equivalent) is both the head of state and the head of the government. See also "First Minister" and "Premier": alternative titles usually equivalent in meaning to "prime minister." In some Presidential system or Semi-presidential system systems such as those of Politics of France, Politics of Russia, Politics of South Korea, or Politics of Taiwan the prime minister is an official generally appointed by the President but approved by the legislature and responsible for carrying out the directives of the President and managing the civil service. In these systems, it is possible for the president and the prime minister to be from different political parties if the legislature is controlled by a party different from that of the president. When it arises, such a state of affairs is usually referred to as (political) cohabitation (government). ==Entry into office== In parliamentary systems a prime minister can enter into office by a number of means. * by appointment by the head of state without the need for confirmation by parliament; Example: The United Kingdom, where the monarch appoints a prime minister without the need for confirmation from parliament, which gets its first chance to indicate its view on the new government in the vote on the Speech from the Throne, in which the new government outlines its legislative programme. The method of prime ministerial appointment by the United Kingdom monarch is known as Kiss Hands. * '''appointment by the head of state ''after'' parliament ''nominates'' a candidate; Example: The Republic of Ireland where the President of Ireland appoints the Taoiseach on the nomination of the D�il �ireann.) * appointment by the head of state ''after'' the majority parliamentary party ''nominates'' a candidate; Example: the Australian federal government, Canada, India, and New Zealand. * the head of state ''nominates'' a candidate for prime minister who is then submitted to parliament for approval before appointment as prime minister; Example: Spain, where the King sends a nomination to parliament for approval. Also Germany where under the Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany (constitution) the Bundestag votes on a candidate nominated by the Federal President. In these cases, parliament can choose another candidate who then would be appointed by the head of state.) * the head of state appoints a prime minister who has a set timescale within which s/he must gain a vote of confidence; (Example: Italy.) * direct election by parliament (the premiers of the Northwest Territories and Nunavut); * direct election by the public (Example: Israel, 1996-2001.); The Prime Minister is elected in a general election, with no regard to political affiliation. * appointment by a state office holder other than the head of state or his/her representative;''' Example: Under the modern ''Constitution of Sweden 1974'', which came into force in 1975, the power of commissioning someone to form a government was moved from the Monarch of Sweden to the Speaker of Parliament, who, once it has been approved, formally makes the appointment. ''Though most prime ministers are 'appointed', they are generally, if inaccurately, described as 'elected'.'' ==Prime ministers and constitutions== [[Image:Goughwhitlam.jpg|right|thumb|144px|Gough Whitlam
Prime Minister of Australia in the 1970s]] The position, power and status of prime ministers differ depending on the age of the constitution in individuals. '''Britain's''' constitution, being uncodified constitution and largely unwritten, makes no mention of a prime minister. Though it had ''de facto'' existed for centuries, its first official mention in official state documents did not occur until the first decade of the twentieth century. '''Australia's''' Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act makes no mention of a prime minister of Australia. The office has a ''de facto'' existence at the head of the Executive Council. '''Ireland's constitution, Bunreacht na h�ireann (1937) provided for the office of taoiseach in detail, listing powers, functions and duties. Germany's''' Basic Law of the Federal Republic of Germany (1949) lists the powers, functions and duties of the federal Chancellor of Germany. ==Exit from office== Contrary to popular and journalistic myth, most prime ministers in parliamentary systems are not appointed for a specific term of office and in effect may remain in power through a number of elections and parliaments. For example, Margaret Thatcher was only ever appointed prime minister on ''one'' occasion, in 1979. She remained ''continually'' in power until 1990, though she used the assembly of each British House of Commons after a general election to Cabinet reshuffle. Some states, however, do have a term of office of the prime minister linked to the period in office on the parliament. Hence the Irish Taoiseach is formally 'renominated' after every general election. (Some constitutional experts have questioned whether this process is actually in keeping with the provisions of the Irish constitution, which ''appear'' to suggest a taoiseach should remain in office, without the requirement of a renomination, unless s/he has clearly lost the general election.) The position of Prime Minister is normally chosen from the political party that commands majority of seats in the lower house of parliament. [[Image:Indirag.jpg|left|thumb|144px|Indira Gandhi
Prime Minister of India from 1966-1977 and 1980-1984]] In parliamentary systems, governments are generally required to have the confidence of the lower house (though a small minority of parliaments, by giving a right to block Loss of Supply to upper houses, in effect make the cabinet responsible to both houses, though in reality upper houses, even when they have the power, rarely exercise it). Where they lose a ''vote of confidence'', have a ''motion of no confidence'' passed against them, or where they lose Supply, most constitutional systems require either: a) a resignation or b) a request of a parliamentary dissolution. The latter in effect allows the government to appeal the opposition of parliament to the electorate. However in many jurisdictions a head of state ''may'' refuse a parliamentary dissolution, requiring the resignation of the prime minister and his or her government. In most modern parliamentary systems, the Prime Minister is the person who decides when to request a parliamentary dissolution. Older constitutions often vest this power in the cabinet. (In Britain, for example, the tradition whereby it is the prime minister who requests a dissolution of parliament dates back to 1918. Prior to then, it was the ''entire'' government that made the request. Similarly, though the modern 1937 Irish constitution grants to the Taoiseach the right to make the request, the earlier 1922 Irish Free State Constitution vested the power in the ''Executive Council'' (the then name for the Irish cabinet). ==Alternative titles== [[Image:Bahern.jpg|right|thumb|144px|Bertie Ahern
The current Taoiseach]] A number of different terms are used to describe prime ministers. The German prime minister is actually titled "Chancellor" while the Irish Prime Minister is called the Taoiseach. In many cases, though commonly used, "prime minister" is not the official title of the office-holder; the British prime minister is (usually) "First Lord of the Treasury and Minister for the Civil Service", and the Spanish prime minister is the "President of the Government" (''Presidente del Gobierno''). Other common forms include president (or chairman) of the Council of Ministers (for example in Italy, as ''Presidente del Consiglio dei Ministri''), or of the Executive Council (&c.), or "Minister-President". ==Articles on prime ministers== * Prime Minister of Australia * Chancellor of Austria * Prime Minister of Canada * Prime Minister of Newfoundland * Prime Minister of France * List of Prime Ministers of Fiji * Chancellor of Germany * Prime Minister of India * Prime Minister of Iran * Taoiseach * Prime Minister of Israel * Prime Minister of Japan * Prime Minister of Malaysia * Prime minister of the Netherlands * Prime Minister of New Zealand * Prime Minister of Pakistan * Prime Minister of Serbia * President of the Government of Spain * Prime Minister of Sweden * Prime Minister of the United Kingdom ==Lists of prime ministers== The following table groups the list of past and present prime ministers and details information available in those lists. {| border=1 cellpadding=1 cellspacing=0 |- |align=center|Country |align=center| List starts |align=center| Table shows
parties? |align=center| Term given by
years or dates? |align=center|Present Incumbent |- |Prime Minister of Afghanistan||1953||-||years||None |- |List of Prime Ministers of Albania||1914||-||years||Fatos Nano |- |Prime Minister of Algeria||1962||yes||years||Ahmed Ouyahia |- |Prime Minister of Angola||1975||-||dates||Fernando da Piedade Dias dos Santos |- |List of Prime Ministers of Antigua and Barbuda||1981||-||years||Baldwin Spencer |- |Prime Minister of Armenia||1918||yes||dates||Andranik Markaryan |- |Prime Minister of Australia||1901||yes||dates||John Howard |- |List of Prime Ministers of the Bahamas||1967||-||dates||Perry Christie |- |Prime Minister of Bangladesh||1971||yes||dates||Khaleda Zia |- |List of Prime Ministers of Barbados||1954||-||years||Owen Arthur |- |List of Prime Ministers of Belgium||1918||-||dates||Guy Verhofstadt |- |Prime Minister of Belize||1973||yes||years||Said Musa |- |List of Prime Ministers of Bulgaria||1879||-||dates||Simeon II of Bulgaria |- |Prime Minister of Burkina Faso||1971||-||dates||Paramanga Ernest Yonli |- |Prime Minister of Cameroon||1960||-||dates||Peter Mafany Musonge |- |List of Canadian Prime Ministers||1867||yes||dates||Paul Martin |- |Prime Minister of Cape Verde||1975||-||dates||Jos� Maria Neves |- |Prime Minister of the Central African Republic||1958||-||dates||C�lestin Gaombalet |- |Prime Minister of Chad||1978||-||dates||Pascal Yoadimnadji |- |List of Premiers of China||1911||-||dates||Wen Jiabao |- |Prime Minister of the Cook Islands||1965||yes||dates||Jim Marurai |- |Prime ministers of Croatia||1990||-||dates||Ivo Sanader |- |List of Prime Ministers of the Czech Republic||1969||-||years||Stanislav Gross |- |List of Prime Ministers of Denmark||1848||-||years||Anders Fogh Rasmussen |- |List of Prime Ministers of Djibouti||1977||-||dates||Dileita Mohamed Dileita |- |List of Prime Ministers of Dominica||1960||-||dates||Roosevelt Skerrit |- |Prime Minister of Egypt||1878||-||years||Ahmed Nazif |- |List of Prime Ministers of Equatorial Guinea||1963||-||dates||Miguel Abia Biteo Borico |- |Prime Minister of Estonia||1991||-||dates||Andrus Ansip |- |List of Prime Ministers of Fiji||1966||-||dates||Laisenia Qarase |- |Prime Minister of Finland||1917||yes||years||Matti Vanhanen |- |List of Prime Ministers of France||1815||-||years||Dominique de Villepin |- |Prime Minister of Georgia||1918||yes||dates||Giorgi Baramidze |- |List of Prime Ministers of Greece||1833||-||dates||Kostas Karamanlis |- |List of Prime Ministers of Greenland||1979||-||years||Hans Enoksen |- |List of Prime Ministers of Grenada||1954||-||years||Keith Mitchell |- |Prime Minister of Guinea||1972||-||dates||Fran�ois Lonseny Fall |- |List of Prime Ministers of Guyana||1953||-||dates||Sam Hinds |- |List of Prime Ministers of Hungary||1848||-||dates||Ferenc Gyurcs�ny |- |List of Prime Ministers of Iceland||1904||-||dates||Halld�r �sgr�msson |- |Prime Minister of India||1947||yes||dates||Manmohan Singh |- |List of Prime Ministers of Iraq||1920||-||years||Iyad Allawi |- |Taoiseach#List of Taoisigh||1937||yes||dates||Bertie Ahern |- |Prime Minister of Israel||1948||-||years||Ariel Sharon |- |List of Prime Ministers of Italy||1861||-||years||Silvio Berlusconi |- |Prime Minister of Jamaica||1959||-||years||Percival Patterson |- |Prime Minister of Japan||1885||-||years||Junichiro Koizumi |- |List of Prime Ministers of North Korea||1948||n/a||years||Pak Pong Ju |- |Prime Minister of South Korea||1948||-||years||Lee Hai-chan |- |Prime Minister of Latvia||1990||yes||dates||Indulis Emsis |- |List of Prime Ministers of Lebanon||1926||-||dates||Najib Mikati |- |Prime Minister of Lithuania||1990||yes||dates||Algirdas Mykolas Brazauskas |- |List of Prime Ministers of Luxembourg||1959||-||years||Jean-Claude Juncker |- |Prime Minister of Malaysia||1957||yes||years||Abdullah Ahmad Badawi |- |Prime Minister of Malta||1921||yes||years||Lawrence Gonzi |- |Prime Minister of Mongolia||1912||yes||dates||Tsakhiagiyn Elbegdorj |- |Prime Minister of Myanmar||1948||yes||dates||Soe Win |- |List of Prime Ministers of Nepal||1953||-||dates||Sher Bahadur Deuba |- |Prime Minister of the Netherlands||1945||yes||dates||Jan Peter Balkenende |- |Prime Minister of New Zealand||1856||yes||dates||Helen Clark |- |List of Norwegian Prime Ministers||1814||-||years||Kjell Magne Bondevik |- |List of Prime Ministers of Pakistan||1947||-||dates||Shaukat Aziz |- |List of Prime Ministers of Palestine||2003||-||unknown||Ahmad Qurei |- |List of Prime Ministers of Papua New Guinea||1975||-||years||Michael Somare |- |List of Polish Prime Ministers||1917||-||dates||Marek Belka |- |List of Prime Ministers of Portugal||1834||yes||dates||Pedro Santana Lopes |- |List of Prime Ministers of Romania||1862||-||years||Adrian Nastase |- |Prime Minister of Russia||1991||yes||dates||Mikhail Fradkov |- |List of Prime Ministers of Saint Kitts and Nevis||1960||-||dates||Denzil Douglas |- |List of Prime Ministers of Saint Lucia||1960||-||dates||Kenny Anthony |- |List of Prime Ministers of Saint Vincent and the Grenadines||1956||-||dates||Ralph Gonsalves |- |Prime Minister of S�o Tom� and Principe||1974||yes||dates||Damiao Vaz d'Almeida |- |Prime Minister of Serbia||1805||-||years||Vojislav Kostunica |- |Prime Minister of Singapore||1965||-||dates||Lee Hsien Loong |- |List of Prime Ministers of Slovakia||1918||-||dates||Mikulas Dzurinda |- |Prime Minister of Slovenia||1990||yes||years||Janez Jansa |- |List of Prime Ministers of South Africa||1910||-||dates||(Post Abolished) |- |List of Prime Ministers of Spain||1902||yes||years||Jos� Luis Rodr�guez Zapatero |- |List of Sri Lankan Prime Ministers||1948||-||dates||Mahinda Rajapakse |- |Prime Minister of Sweden||1876||yes||years||G�ran Persson |- |List of Prime Ministers of Thailand||1932||-||years||Thaksin Shinawatra |- |List of Prime Ministers of Trinidad and Tobago||1956||-||dates||Patrick Manning |- |List of Prime Ministers of Turkey||1920||yes||dates||Recep Tayyip Erdogan |- |Prime Minister of Tuvalu||1975||n/a||dates||Saufatu Sopoanga |- |Prime Minister of Ukraine||1990||-||dates||Yuliya Tymoshenko |- |List of Prime Ministers of the United Arab Emirates||1971||-||years||Maktoum Bin Rashid al-Maktoum |- |Prime Minister of the United Kingdom||1721||yes||dates||Tony Blair |- |Prime Minister of Uzbekistan||1995||-||dates||Shavkat Mirziyayev |- |Prime Minister of Vanuatu||1980||yes||dates||Serge Vohor |- |Prime Minister of Vietnam||1976||yes||dates||Phan Van Khai |- |Prime Minister of Yemen||1990||yes||years||Abdul Qadir Bajamal |} ==See also== *Chancellor *List of democracy and elections-related topics *President *Monarch *Governor-General *Head of state *List of national leaders *Heads of state timeline ==External links== *[http://www.pm.gov.au/ website of the Prime Minister of Australia] *[http://www.primeminister.gov.bb/ website of the Prime Minister of Barbados] *[http://www.premier.fgov.be/ website of the Prime Minister of Belgium] *[http://pm.gc.ca/ website of the Prime Minister of Canada] *[http://www.premier-ministre.gouv.fr/en/ website of the Prime Minister of France] *[http://www.primeminister.gr/gr/ website of the Prime Minister of the Hellenic Republic (Greece)] *[http://www.kormany.hu/archivum/index.en.html website of the Prime Minister of Hungary] *[http://government.is/interpro/for/for.nsf/pages/raduneytid_ensk.html website of the Prime Minister of Iceland] *[http://pmindia.nic.in website of the Prime Minister of India] *[http://www.taoiseach.gov.ie/index.asp website of the Taoiseach of Ireland] *[http://www.pmo.gov.il/ website of the Prime Minister of Israel] *[http://www.kantei.go.jp/foreign/index-e.html website of the Prime Minister of Japan] *[http://www.opm.go.kr/ehtml/ website of the Prime Minister of South Korea] *[http://www.pmo.gov.my website of the Prime Minister of Malaysia] *[http://www.ministerpresident.nl/ website of the Prime Minister of The Netherlands] *[http://www.primeminister.govt.nz/ website of the Prime Minister of New Zealand] *[http://odin.dep.no/smk/engelsk/index-b-n-a.html website of the Prime Minister of Norway] *[http://www.kprm.gov.pl/ website of the Prime Minister of Poland] *[http://www.predsednik.gov.yu/ website of the Chairman of Serbia and Montenegro Council] *[http://www.la-moncloa.es/webIngles/asp/inicio.asp website of the President of the Government of Spain] *[http://www.pmoffice.go.th website of the Prime Minister of Thailand] *[http://opm.gov.tt/ website of the Prime Minister of Trinidad and Tobago] *[http://www.pm.gov.uk/output/Page1.asp home page of 10 Downing St, residence & office of the Prime Minister of the UK] Titles Government occupations Positions of authority ka:პრემიერ-მინისტრი simple:Prime Minister th:นายกรัฐมนตรี

Prime Minister

__TOC__ To change the subject completely, does anyone have a point by point list of the constraints and powers of the prime minister. Trying to find out is a minefield!! Thanks Er... do we really need these images of Prime Ministers? The choice of the current bunch shown on this page seems a bit arbitrary. I think everyone knows what a Prime Minister looks like. They usually look like some old bloke and occasionally looks like a woman that you wouldn't want to meet in a blind alley. User:Mintguy I think it adds to text to have some visual images attached. It makes the text look less daunting, particularly if it is long or detailed. Unfortunately Wikipedia right now has no images of prime ministerial residences, cabinet meetings, and very few images of prime ministers. I went through almost all the prime ministerial sites to find some images to graphically illustrate the page, but there are ''very very'' few. I tried to get images that were of similar size. Some of the few that do exist would have 'taken over' the page because they are so large. Hopefully as Wiki gets more official images, the site can be adapted to include them. I'm not particularly happy that all we have really of countries like Canada, Australia and Britain but I could not find on Wikipedia any images of French, Japanese, Spanish or African prime ministers, so I was limited simply by the choice available. (I have since found one of Nehru, which I going to place on the page.) Today I was in contact with the Taoiseach's office in Dublin to see would they supply images of Ireland past taoisigh. If you know of any images that would fit the page in terms of context and size, please me know. Most encyclop�dias do use images to give a visual shape to text and make it more 'view-friendly'. Images, apart from anything else, give the page a more 'authoritive' rounded look and attract the reader 'into' an article, in a way that a long article ''without'' images doesn't. That reminds me, do you have any images we could use on football/soccer? It would I think add to the page, contextualising it visually. User:Jtdirl 20:15 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC) :I agree. Whenever possible, articles should have small images. Not too many or too big, of course, for people with slow modems, but a few pics of some famous prime ministers would be nice. User:TUF-KAT ::I like pictures in articles too. I'm just not sure these bods are approriate. Perhaps a picture of the first prime minister ever. Robert Walpole would be appropriate. er.. can't really think of anyone else who would be NPOV. User:Mintguy Actually the very first picture I looked for was Robert Walpole, but we have none and those on websites seem to be copyrighted. I deliberately checked sites to do with Japan, African states with prime ministers, etc., but the only I could find were these (apart from larger pictures of the likes of Wellington and Gladstone that wouldn't have fitted the page.) It don't think putting these ones on is expressing a POV. Nothing is said about them, just that they were prime ministers. And the choice of who is purely random, based on whose pics we have. It is just purely a case of using what was available. I'd personally love to have a wider range and I searched and searched and searched but was limited by what we have. User:Jtdirl 21:54 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC) JTD - Do you not have appropriate software to manipulate images? Are you using a Mac or a PC? I reckon you're a Mac type person. User:Mintguy :I think I'm with Mintguy on this one -- although I agree it would be difficult to find something relating to the article "Prime Minister" ''other than'' pictures of prime ministers. I think pictures of individuals really belong within the articles for those individuals. User:Deb 22:03 Feb 21, 2003 (UTC) :Yeah it just seems wrong to me to put a random selection of PMs. Either all of them or none of them. User:Mintguy To be honest, I cannot for the life of me understand what the problem is. With the greatest respect, Deb (and you know I ''do'' have a lot of respect for you), the statement that ''pictures of individuals really belong within the articles for those individuals'' strikes me as bonkers. No document is ever ever put together on that basis. Images are used (and in every publication ever produced) re-used again and again and again. That is done * to illustrate a person (on a personal page) * to illustrate a theme or issue linked to a person (this page is an example. You are writing about PMs so you plonk some available pics of PMs on the page.) * to break up over-heavy text to create a page that is visually inviting to readers. The last two points are the whole reason for putting pictures on the page. As in any publication, if you have got illustrations and images, and you need some way to break up a page to make it more reader-appealing, you use the images. It is practically Rule No. 1 in layout design. Professional encyclop�dia layout designers do it, graphic designers do it, people laying out freesheets do it (I have laid out four freesheets on my eMac in the last year as a freelance PR consultant - the things we historians do to double-job!), people designing text for CD-Rom do it. The worst thing you can give to a reader who is a bit daunted by a topic they don't know much about is a page of words, words and more words. What you try to do is break up the page by using illustrations. It doesn't have to be 100% relevant, but once it ties in, it gets there attention and gives them the courage to look at the text. If you have a page on queens and you plonk in a picture of Queen Victoria or Queen Beatrix or Queen Margrethe, you don't do it to highlight a ''specific point'', you do it so that the person who is starting to read the page maybe can look at it, see Victoria and think 'That's yer wan, what's her name, oh yeah, Victoria'. And from that, having recognised the photograph, they feel more confident at actually reading the page. And if they don't reacognise anyone, it is no big deal. A page with pictures looks less daunting even if you haven't a clue about the meaning of the pictures than a page without. There are damn all pictures of prime ministers on Wiki. (You could probably count them on the fingers of one hand.) Some were unsuitable because of size, shape, or quality. Others because it would be a bit much to illustrate a page with three British PMs. All I've done is what any properly laid out page of any properly laid out document or publication does, slot in a few available shots to break up the page. Professional graphic artists and people who lay out encyclop�dias and reference books for a living would be laughing their heads off at this argument; no other publication of any sort would see a problem plonking a couple of available pictures to shape a page in a more visually appealing manner. In fact, they'd be wondering why Wiki doesn't have more illustrations and why doesn't make more use of the illustrations it has. This is such a bizarre conversation to even have to have. The mind boggles. User:Jtdirl 09:19 Feb 22, 2003 (UTC) :Well I'm not going to argue with you, I'm not that bothered, but I just suspect that before long you'll get more and more pictures of PMs added to this page. The Gough Whitlam picture looks like it's the wrong aspect ratio. JTD you spoke of other images being wrong size etc.. Do you not have appropriate software to manipulate images? Are you using a Mac or a PC? :: Yes, it's a terrible photo, Mintguy. Not that Whitlam has featured on too many "Top 10 best looking men" lists. :) User:Tannin :::I just stretched his face out a bit. I hope I didn't make him look too pretty. User:Mintguy :::: I don't think you need be too worried about that problem, MG. I think you might take it a fraction further - compare with the faces [http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=lang_en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&safe=off&q=Gough+Whitlam&sa=N&tab=wi here on Google]. User:Tannin ::::Better?, I think it matches this image [http://www.tgs.qld.edu.au/louise/gough.jpg here] User:Mintguy ::::: Seems to be. But I've looked at it too many times now and am wondering how much of what I'm seeing is just my imagination. User:Tannin I'm on a new mac, but I haven't yet got the software yet. I was on a ''much'' older mac (god I love using macs and ''hate'' PCs!) until recently. Sorry by the way about the tone above; I was ''very'' tired and I'm recovering from a back injury so I'm in regular pain that makes me ''extremely'' ratty! The pictures there right now were, as I said, picked at random from a very small choice. It dawned on me afterwards that they are unique in one way: Canada's longest serving PM, British's only jewish PM, the only Aussie PM to be dismissed, and now the first Indian PM. So they do have a unique value that can be justified on that basis in any case. I agree the Whitlam picture is a bit odd, but that is as it is on the Whitlam page. I haven't changed it at all. (Thanks for fixing it) I would love to have a picture of a PM 'contextualised', ie, at a cabinet meeting, or outside a residence, or being appointed. But unfortunately all we have are headshots. User:Jtdirl 01:08 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC) :JTD you might want to look at some of the software [http://download.com.com/3150-2197-0.html?tag=dir here] User:Mintguy :If we could get a picture of a meeting of commonwealth heads there would be lots of PMs in it, but other bods too unfortunately. User:Mintguy That's an idea. I wonder would the Commonwealth Secretariat allow us to use a picture? If they could, it could be used for this page and the Commonwealth one. I'm currently chasing around photographs on Irish taoisigh and some historic photographs of Dublin so I am up to my eyes chasing photographs and images right now. Could you give the secretariat a ring on Monday and explain to them what we need, how useful it would be for ''them'' to have a good image on the Commonwealth etc? They might be able to email a jpeg or something. Perhaps even other images, 'logo' of the Commonweath, etc. It is a long shot, but it certainly would look nice. Thanks for the software info, BTW. I really appreciate it. User:Jtdirl 02:28 Feb 23, 2003 (UTC)
Here's a photo from a recent Canadian gathering. I e-mailed the site it was on, and they said it was fine to use. But my question is, is it too big? Looks fine on my giant monitor, but some people might not have as high resolution, and thus be forced to scroll to see it all. user:J.J. : Could you cite the sources (on the Image description page)? I'm really interested in checking stuff from that site. --User:Menchi 00:28, Aug 9, 2003 (UTC) ---- Prime Minister or Prime minister? please comment in Talk:Lists of incumbents User:Docu It is always Prime Minister when talking of the specific office, as in the title of this article (where we are defining a specific constitutional office worldwide), prime minister when talking in general terms about prime ministers. It is ''never ever'' written as Prime minister. User:Jtdirl 02:16 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC) You're talking utter nonsense. "Prime ministers are different from presidents." There you see it: capital "P", lower-case "m". I wrote it as "Prime minister" only when it was the title of a Wikipedia article, following the usual Wikipedia convention that the first letter in the article must be capital (I don't think it's even possible to violate that one with the present software). The question is whether the "m" should be capitalized on this common noun. I believe it should not. One may write about "the Prime Minister" when referring to a particular prime minister, but when saying "A prime minister is not the same as a president", one uses lower-case letters. That is why I moved the article. Your accusations on my talk page are entirely misinformed. User:Michael Hardy 02:26 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC) It may just be a confusion on how the Wiki system acts. I haven't seen an article that had a first letter lowercase..... Complete rubbish. In the sentence you wrote, the P's capitalisation has nothing to do with being prime minister. It is to do with being the start of a sentence. If not, it would be a small p. As a title, prime minister is NEVER EVER half-capitalised, just as governor-general is NEVER EVER half capitalised. In double-barrelled titles on wiki, to avoid producing a grammatically incorrect form of name, where the first letter ''has'' to be capitalised because of software, the second word in a title is too. ''That'' is why we have Governor-General and why when someone tried to create a page called Governor general it was promptly redirected to the full double-barrelled capitalisation as Governor-General. The question of how to write Prime Minister here was discussed (twice) and both times there was near unanimity to use full capitalisation, not half capitalisation. User:Jtdirl 02:37 Apr 10, 2003 (UTC) The Prime Minister of Canada is known only as William Lyon Mackenzie King, but in fact 99% of the time as Mackenzie King. Olga Bityerkokoff ---- There is a new reference table added to the article. It might be intended to add additional information but it has also split the listing of articles in to two differently styled partially overlapping sections. It also contains a number of unexplained columns of unclear value and information. I don't nessecarily object to the idea of implementing a table, but when it is I think it should be done thoroughly. I think the previous list was far better. (I presume that the year column refers to the inauguration of the office, and to preserve that it could be added to the simple list. The rest, if it should be completed, seems to belong more to some form of government or cabinet reference table.) -- User:Mic 05:11 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC) To be honest I haven't a goddamned clue what the table means. If you want to remove it and replace it with the previous list you wo't get any opposition from me.User:Jtdirl There is now a short note about the purpose and content of the table. If you prefer, it can be placed on a Lists of prime ministers. User:Docu 12:13 Apr 16, 2003 (UTC) Hope the note makes it clearer. There any way we can get a picture of a Canadian Prime Minister back on the page? User:Snickerdo Why??? The images here are ''meant'' to be illustrative, nothing more. They are not meant to be ''about'' anyone or any one place. But OK, since you want one I've put in Mackenzie King. (a) his image is the right size to fit in the spot that Disraeli was in; Trudeau's image is too big, (b) we have mid century and later century PMs. Someone who starts in the 1920s is better than Trudeau who is later. That OK? User:Jtdirl 04:40, 12 Aug 2003 (UTC) King is fine. Thanks :) User:Snickerdo Putting Prime Minister of the United States on this page is really misleading. -- User:Zoe == Grand Wazeer == Is there an entry on "Grand Wazeer"? The phrase means the same as "Prime Minister".User:IFaqeer—User:IFaqeer | User talk:IFaqeer 03:11, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC) ---- from the article: "direct election by the public (Example: Israel.)" The example is no longer relevant. Israel dabbled in direct elections for prime minister in the 90's, but since then the system has been rolled back (with minor changes)... The latest elections (2003) already did not include a direct prime-ministerial ticket. Consequently, I think the example should be deleted or clariffied. Any suggestions? --User:Lidless Eye 18:48, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC) Ok, I added the years in which this election system operated. However, it will be best to put another (currently working) example, if there is one. --User:Lidless Eye 23:01, Oct 9, 2004 (UTC)

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