
The Peerage of Ireland is the term used for those peers created by British monarchs in their capacity as Lordship of Ireland or King of Ireland. Before 1801, Irish Peers had the right to sit in the Irish House of Lords, but after the Union in 1801, Irish peers, like those of Peerage of Scotland, only elected Peers and Parliaments - twenty-eight in number - to the House of Lords (see List of Irish representative peers). This practice ended with the creation of the Irish Free State in 1922. Irish Peerages continued to be created for some time after 1801 as a way of creating peerages which did not grant a seat in the House of Lords. The last to be granted was one for George Nathaniel Curzon, 1st Marquess Curzon of Kedleston in 1899. In the following table of Irish peers, higher or equal titles in the other peerages are listed. Also, if the peer holds a lower title in the Peerages of England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom, and therefore sat by such a peerage in the House of Lords, such a lower title is listed. ==Dukes in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Duke of Leinster || 1766 || Viscount Leinster of Taplow in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Duke of Abercorn || 1866 || Marquess of Abercorn in the Peerage of Great Britain |} ==Marquesses in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Marquess of Waterford || 1789 || Baron Tyrone in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Downshire || 1789 || Earl of Hillsborough in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Donegall || 1791 || Baron Fisherwick in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Headfort || 1800 || Baron Kenlis in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Sligo || 1800 || Baron Mont Eagle in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Ely || 1801 || Baron Loftus in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess Conyngham || 1816 || Baron Minster in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Londonderry || 1816 || Earl Vane in the Peerage of the UK |} ==Earls in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Earl of Waterford || 1446 || Earl of Shrewsbury in the Peerage of England;
Earl Talbot in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Cork and Earl of Orrery || 1620; 1660 || Baron Boyle of Marston in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Westmeath || 1621 || |- | The Earl of Desmond || 1622 || Earl of Denbigh in the Peerage of England |- | The Earl of Meath || 1627 || Baron Chaworth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Drogheda || 1661 || Baron Moore of Cobham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Granard || 1684 || Baron Granard in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Kerry and Earl of Shelburne || 1722; 1753 || Marquess of Lansdowne in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Darnley || 1725 || Baron Clifton in the Peerage of England |- | The Earl of Egmont || 1733 || Baron Lovel and Holland in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Bessborough || 1739 || Baron Ponsonby of Sysonby in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Carrick || 1748 || Baron Butler in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Shannon || 1756 || Baron Carleton in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Mornington || 1760 || Duke of Wellington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Arran || 1762 || Baron Sudley in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Courtown || 1762 || Baron Saltersford in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Mexborough || 1766 || |- | The Earl Winterton || 1766 || |- | The Earl of Kingston || 1768 || |- | The Earl of Roden || 1771 || |- | The Earl of Lisburne || 1776 || |- | The Earl of Clanwilliam || 1776 || Baron Clanwilliam in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Antrim || 1785 || |- | The Earl of Longford || 1785 || Baron Silchester in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Portarlington || 1785 || |- | The Earl of Mayo || 1785 || |- | The Earl Annesley || 1789 || |- | The Earl of Enniskillen || 1789 || Baron Grinstead in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Erne || 1789 || Baron Fermanagh in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Lucan || 1795 || Baron Bingham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl Belmore || 1797 || |- | The Earl Castle Stewart || 1800 || |- | The Earl of Donoughmore || 1800 || Viscount Hutchinson in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Caledon || 1800 || |- | The Earl of Limerick || 1803 || Baron Foxford in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Clancarty || 1803 || Viscount Clancarty in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Gosford || 1806 || Baron Worlingham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Rosse || 1806 || |- | The Earl of Normanton || 1806 || Baron Mendip in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Kilmorey || 1822 || |- | The Earl of Dunraven and Mount-Earl || 1822 || |- | The Earl of Listowel || 1822 || Baron Hare in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Norbury || 1827 || |- | The Earl of Ranfurly || 1831 || Baron Ranfurly in the Peerage of the UK |} ==Viscounts in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Viscount Gormanston || 1478 || Baron Gormanston in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Mountgarret || 1550 || Baron Mountgarret in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Valentia || 1622 || |- | The Viscount Dillon || 1622 || |- | The Viscount Lumley || 1628 || Earl of Scarbrough in the Peerage of England |- | The Viscount Massereene and Viscount Ferrard || 1660; 1797 || Baron Oriel in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Cholmondeley || 1661 || Marquess of Cholmondeley in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Charlemont || 1665 || |- | The Viscount Downe || 1681 || Baron Dawnay in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Molesworth || 1716 || |- | The Viscount Chetwynd || 1717 || |- | The Viscount Midleton || 1717 || Baron Brodrick in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Boyne || 1717 || Baron Brancepth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Grimston || 1719 || Earl of Verulam in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Gage || 1720 || Baron Gage of High Meadow in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Galway || 1727 || |- | The Viscount Powerscourt || 1743 || Baron Powerscourt in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Ashbrook || 1751 || |- | The Viscount Southwell || 1776 || |- | The Viscount De Vesci || 1776 || |- | The Viscount Lifford || 1781 || |- | The Viscount Bangor || 1781 || |- | The Viscount Doneraile || 1785 || |- | The Viscount Harberton || 1791 || |- | The Viscount Hawarden || 1793 || |- | The Viscount Mountjoy || 1796 || Marquess of Bute in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Monck || 1801 || Baron Monck in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Gort || 1816 || |} ==Barons in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Baron Kingsale || 1397 || |- | The Baron Dunsany || 1439 || |- | The Baron Trimlestown || 1461 || |- | The Baron Dunboyne || 1541 || |- | The Baron Louth || 1541 || |- | The Baron Inchiquin || 1543 || |- | The Baron Digby || 1620 || Baron Digby in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Conway and Killultagh || 1712 || Marquess of Hertford in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Carbery || 1715 || |- | The Baron Aylmer || 1718 || |- | The Baron Farnham || 1756 || |- | The Baron Lisle || 1758 || |- | The Baron Clive of Plassey || 1762 || Earl of Powis in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Westcote of Balamere || 1776 || Viscount Cobham in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron MacDonald of Slate || 1776 || |- | The Baron Kensington || 1776 || Baron Kensington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Newborough || 1776 || |- | The Baron Massy || 1776 || |- | The Baron Muskerry || 1781 || |- | The Baron Hood of Catherington || 1782 || Viscount Hood in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Sheffield || 1783 || Baron Stanley of Alderley and Baron Eddisbury in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Kilmaine || 1789 || |- | The Baron Auckland || 1789 || Baron Auckland in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Waterpark || 1792 || |- | The Baron Bridport of Cricket St Thomas || 1794 || Viscount Bridport in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Graves || 1794 || |- | The Baron Huntingfield || 1796 || |- | The Baron Carrington || 1796 || Baron Carrington in the Peerage of Great Britain;
Baron Carington of Upton in the Peerage of the UK for Life |- | The Baron Rossmore || 1796 || Baron Rossmore in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Hotham || 1797 || |- | The Baron Crofton || 1797 || |- | The Baron Ffrench || 1798 || |- | The Baron Henley || 1799 || Baron Northington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Langford || 1800 || |- | The Baron Henniker || 1800 || Baron Hartismere in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Ventry || 1800 || |- | The Baron Dunalley || 1800 || |- | The Baron Clanmorris || 1800 || |- | The Baron Ashtown || 1800 || |- | The Baron Rendlesham || 1806 || |- | The Baron Castlemaine || 1812 || |- | The Baron Decies || 1812 || |- | The Baron Talbot of Malahide || 1831 || |- | The Baron Carew || 1834 || Baron Carew in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Oranmore and Browne || 1836 || Baron Mereworth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Bellew || 1848 || |- | The Baron Rathdonnell || 1868 || |} Lists of peerages Peerages of the United Kingdom
shouldn't a list of Irish peers only contain, you know, Irish peers, and the Gaelic nobles be moved to a different page? User:John Kenney 11:14, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) No. I think they should be here. There have recognition from the Chief Herald of Ireland and many also have peerages from the Kingdom of Ireland and the UK of GB and I. The O'Conor Don, for example, was given pride of place as the premier "Irish peer" at the coronation of King Edward VII. User:Jtdirl 23:38, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) Hmm...well, they're obviously members of the Irish nobility, but the page is specifically a list of "peers"...so I don't know...The explanatory material should certainly be clearer, though. User:John Kenney 02:46, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) I think that a page could be made on "Gaelic Nobility," for instance, because the term Peerage does not seem to properly apply to those who are not peers. By the way, is it agreeable if the (in my humble opinion neater) format used in Peerage of England and Peerage of Scotland be applied here? -- User:Lord Emsworth 19:26, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC) I have no objection, but it would mean we'd lose some information, wouldn't it? I created the other two pages after working through this one. User:John Kenney 01:03, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC) The article states: "This list covers peerages possessed by Irish people from any of the three categories. The title is listed first, followed by famous figures associated with the family beneath. It does not include non-Irish people awarded Irish titles; for example, the Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria." I don't think that "Peerage of Ireland" is the right place to fulfil such a requirement. Instead, I deem that a page, either Gaelic Nobility or Irish Nobility be used for the same, and that the Peerages of England, Scotland and Ireland be similar in format and in purpose. -- User:Lord Emsworth 11:38, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC) :Irish nobility would be a good place for this, I'd think, and yeah, then we can make the Peerage of Ireland more standardized. User:John Kenney 00:34, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC) ==Republic of Ireland== What is the present-day position of Irish peers in the eyes of the Republic of Ireland? Specifically: *What proportion of the peers live in the Republic (as opposed to in the UK or abroad)? *Of those living in the republic, do they typically hold Irish or UK passports? If the former, do the passports include their titles or only their personal names? *If there were a dispute over the descent of an Irish peerage, where would it be decided? Thanks. User:Doops 20:54, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC) I could not give you an exact number relating to your first question. I can, however, accurately state that historically, many Irish peers have had nothing to do with Ireland; rather, many (or perhaps even most) were granted Irish peerage dignities so that they would not flood the House of Lords. If you have the time, you may check [http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp Burke's Peerage], which gives the addresses of all peers. Your second question, and perhaps also your first question, may be addressed in [http://www2.smumn.edu/uasal/titles.html this article] (1995). :Well, I looked a number of them up in the online Burke's (insofar as possible without registering), and I discovered several whose listed residence was in the republic, but whose CV included stints at Eton and/or in the British military. User:Doops 22:57, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC) After the Union of 1801, the House of Lords (of the United Kingdom) assumed jurisdiction over Irish peerage disputes, even though Irish were not automatically entitled to seats in that House. The House of Lords continued to retain jurisdiction after 1922; see [http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld/ldstords/ldso--n.htm#79 the Standing Orders of the House of Lords]. In practice, the matter is resolved not by the whole House, but by the Privileges Committee. (Note: Theoretically, the Sovereign, as ''fons honorum'' or fount of honour, determines all disputes relating to peerages or other dignities, whether English, Scottish or Irish. It is, however, well-established that the Sovereign and his or her ministers would consult the House of Lords if there is any dispute over a Peerage. The Sovereign could in theory disregard the House of Lords entirely, but in practice would not.) -- User:Lord Emsworth 20:26, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC) What is the role of the Ulster King of Arms? User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 23:51, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC) :I know that Lyon is, for all practical purposes, the arbiter of peerage disputes in Scotland. He would determine which individual is entitled to the deceased peer's arms undifferenced; the House of Lords would just abide by his decision. But I do not believe that the Earl Marshal or Garter have similar functions in England; I would imagine that the same would apply to Ulster. -- User:Lord Emsworth 22:20, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Viscount Fitzwilliam == Viscount Fitzwilliam is not mentioned...? --User:Joy 17:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) :That's because it's extinct. User:Proteus User_talk:Proteus 17:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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The Peerage of Ireland is the term used for those peers created by British monarchs in their capacity as Lordship of Ireland or King of Ireland. Before 1801, Irish Peers had the right to sit in the Irish House of Lords, but after the Union in 1801, Irish peers, like those of Peerage of Scotland, only elected Peers and Parliaments - twenty-eight in number - to the House of Lords (see List of Irish representative peers). This practice ended with the creation of the Irish Free State in 1922. Irish Peerages continued to be created for some time after 1801 as a way of creating peerages which did not grant a seat in the House of Lords. The last to be granted was one for George Nathaniel Curzon, 1st Marquess Curzon of Kedleston in 1899. In the following table of Irish peers, higher or equal titles in the other peerages are listed. Also, if the peer holds a lower title in the Peerages of England, Great Britain, or the United Kingdom, and therefore sat by such a peerage in the House of Lords, such a lower title is listed. ==Dukes in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Duke of Leinster || 1766 || Viscount Leinster of Taplow in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Duke of Abercorn || 1866 || Marquess of Abercorn in the Peerage of Great Britain |} ==Marquesses in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Marquess of Waterford || 1789 || Baron Tyrone in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Downshire || 1789 || Earl of Hillsborough in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Donegall || 1791 || Baron Fisherwick in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Marquess of Headfort || 1800 || Baron Kenlis in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Sligo || 1800 || Baron Mont Eagle in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Ely || 1801 || Baron Loftus in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess Conyngham || 1816 || Baron Minster in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Marquess of Londonderry || 1816 || Earl Vane in the Peerage of the UK |} ==Earls in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Earl of Waterford || 1446 || Earl of Shrewsbury in the Peerage of England;
Earl Talbot in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Cork and Earl of Orrery || 1620; 1660 || Baron Boyle of Marston in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Westmeath || 1621 || |- | The Earl of Desmond || 1622 || Earl of Denbigh in the Peerage of England |- | The Earl of Meath || 1627 || Baron Chaworth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Drogheda || 1661 || Baron Moore of Cobham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Granard || 1684 || Baron Granard in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Kerry and Earl of Shelburne || 1722; 1753 || Marquess of Lansdowne in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Darnley || 1725 || Baron Clifton in the Peerage of England |- | The Earl of Egmont || 1733 || Baron Lovel and Holland in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Bessborough || 1739 || Baron Ponsonby of Sysonby in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Carrick || 1748 || Baron Butler in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Shannon || 1756 || Baron Carleton in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Mornington || 1760 || Duke of Wellington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Arran || 1762 || Baron Sudley in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Courtown || 1762 || Baron Saltersford in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Mexborough || 1766 || |- | The Earl Winterton || 1766 || |- | The Earl of Kingston || 1768 || |- | The Earl of Roden || 1771 || |- | The Earl of Lisburne || 1776 || |- | The Earl of Clanwilliam || 1776 || Baron Clanwilliam in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Antrim || 1785 || |- | The Earl of Longford || 1785 || Baron Silchester in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Portarlington || 1785 || |- | The Earl of Mayo || 1785 || |- | The Earl Annesley || 1789 || |- | The Earl of Enniskillen || 1789 || Baron Grinstead in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Erne || 1789 || Baron Fermanagh in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Lucan || 1795 || Baron Bingham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl Belmore || 1797 || |- | The Earl Castle Stewart || 1800 || |- | The Earl of Donoughmore || 1800 || Viscount Hutchinson in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Caledon || 1800 || |- | The Earl of Limerick || 1803 || Baron Foxford in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Clancarty || 1803 || Viscount Clancarty in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Gosford || 1806 || Baron Worlingham in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Rosse || 1806 || |- | The Earl of Normanton || 1806 || Baron Mendip in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Earl of Kilmorey || 1822 || |- | The Earl of Dunraven and Mount-Earl || 1822 || |- | The Earl of Listowel || 1822 || Baron Hare in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Earl of Norbury || 1827 || |- | The Earl of Ranfurly || 1831 || Baron Ranfurly in the Peerage of the UK |} ==Viscounts in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Viscount Gormanston || 1478 || Baron Gormanston in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Mountgarret || 1550 || Baron Mountgarret in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Valentia || 1622 || |- | The Viscount Dillon || 1622 || |- | The Viscount Lumley || 1628 || Earl of Scarbrough in the Peerage of England |- | The Viscount Massereene and Viscount Ferrard || 1660; 1797 || Baron Oriel in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Cholmondeley || 1661 || Marquess of Cholmondeley in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Charlemont || 1665 || |- | The Viscount Downe || 1681 || Baron Dawnay in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Molesworth || 1716 || |- | The Viscount Chetwynd || 1717 || |- | The Viscount Midleton || 1717 || Baron Brodrick in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Boyne || 1717 || Baron Brancepth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Grimston || 1719 || Earl of Verulam in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Gage || 1720 || Baron Gage of High Meadow in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Galway || 1727 || |- | The Viscount Powerscourt || 1743 || Baron Powerscourt in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Ashbrook || 1751 || |- | The Viscount Southwell || 1776 || |- | The Viscount De Vesci || 1776 || |- | The Viscount Lifford || 1781 || |- | The Viscount Bangor || 1781 || |- | The Viscount Doneraile || 1785 || |- | The Viscount Harberton || 1791 || |- | The Viscount Hawarden || 1793 || |- | The Viscount Mountjoy || 1796 || Marquess of Bute in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Viscount Monck || 1801 || Baron Monck in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Viscount Gort || 1816 || |} ==Barons in the Peerage of Ireland== {| border=1 ! Title !! Creation !! Other titles |- | The Baron Kingsale || 1397 || |- | The Baron Dunsany || 1439 || |- | The Baron Trimlestown || 1461 || |- | The Baron Dunboyne || 1541 || |- | The Baron Louth || 1541 || |- | The Baron Inchiquin || 1543 || |- | The Baron Digby || 1620 || Baron Digby in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Conway and Killultagh || 1712 || Marquess of Hertford in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Carbery || 1715 || |- | The Baron Aylmer || 1718 || |- | The Baron Farnham || 1756 || |- | The Baron Lisle || 1758 || |- | The Baron Clive of Plassey || 1762 || Earl of Powis in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Westcote of Balamere || 1776 || Viscount Cobham in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron MacDonald of Slate || 1776 || |- | The Baron Kensington || 1776 || Baron Kensington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Newborough || 1776 || |- | The Baron Massy || 1776 || |- | The Baron Muskerry || 1781 || |- | The Baron Hood of Catherington || 1782 || Viscount Hood in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Sheffield || 1783 || Baron Stanley of Alderley and Baron Eddisbury in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Kilmaine || 1789 || |- | The Baron Auckland || 1789 || Baron Auckland in the Peerage of Great Britain |- | The Baron Waterpark || 1792 || |- | The Baron Bridport of Cricket St Thomas || 1794 || Viscount Bridport in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Graves || 1794 || |- | The Baron Huntingfield || 1796 || |- | The Baron Carrington || 1796 || Baron Carrington in the Peerage of Great Britain;
Baron Carington of Upton in the Peerage of the UK for Life |- | The Baron Rossmore || 1796 || Baron Rossmore in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Hotham || 1797 || |- | The Baron Crofton || 1797 || |- | The Baron Ffrench || 1798 || |- | The Baron Henley || 1799 || Baron Northington in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Langford || 1800 || |- | The Baron Henniker || 1800 || Baron Hartismere in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Ventry || 1800 || |- | The Baron Dunalley || 1800 || |- | The Baron Clanmorris || 1800 || |- | The Baron Ashtown || 1800 || |- | The Baron Rendlesham || 1806 || |- | The Baron Castlemaine || 1812 || |- | The Baron Decies || 1812 || |- | The Baron Talbot of Malahide || 1831 || |- | The Baron Carew || 1834 || Baron Carew in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Oranmore and Browne || 1836 || Baron Mereworth in the Peerage of the UK |- | The Baron Bellew || 1848 || |- | The Baron Rathdonnell || 1868 || |} Lists of peerages Peerages of the United Kingdom
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shouldn't a list of Irish peers only contain, you know, Irish peers, and the Gaelic nobles be moved to a different page? User:John Kenney 11:14, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) No. I think they should be here. There have recognition from the Chief Herald of Ireland and many also have peerages from the Kingdom of Ireland and the UK of GB and I. The O'Conor Don, for example, was given pride of place as the premier "Irish peer" at the coronation of King Edward VII. User:Jtdirl 23:38, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) Hmm...well, they're obviously members of the Irish nobility, but the page is specifically a list of "peers"...so I don't know...The explanatory material should certainly be clearer, though. User:John Kenney 02:46, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) I think that a page could be made on "Gaelic Nobility," for instance, because the term Peerage does not seem to properly apply to those who are not peers. By the way, is it agreeable if the (in my humble opinion neater) format used in Peerage of England and Peerage of Scotland be applied here? -- User:Lord Emsworth 19:26, Dec 21, 2003 (UTC) I have no objection, but it would mean we'd lose some information, wouldn't it? I created the other two pages after working through this one. User:John Kenney 01:03, 22 Dec 2003 (UTC) The article states: "This list covers peerages possessed by Irish people from any of the three categories. The title is listed first, followed by famous figures associated with the family beneath. It does not include non-Irish people awarded Irish titles; for example, the Duke of Connaught, son of Queen Victoria." I don't think that "Peerage of Ireland" is the right place to fulfil such a requirement. Instead, I deem that a page, either Gaelic Nobility or Irish Nobility be used for the same, and that the Peerages of England, Scotland and Ireland be similar in format and in purpose. -- User:Lord Emsworth 11:38, Dec 22, 2003 (UTC) :Irish nobility would be a good place for this, I'd think, and yeah, then we can make the Peerage of Ireland more standardized. User:John Kenney 00:34, 23 Dec 2003 (UTC) ==Republic of Ireland== What is the present-day position of Irish peers in the eyes of the Republic of Ireland? Specifically: *What proportion of the peers live in the Republic (as opposed to in the UK or abroad)? *Of those living in the republic, do they typically hold Irish or UK passports? If the former, do the passports include their titles or only their personal names? *If there were a dispute over the descent of an Irish peerage, where would it be decided? Thanks. User:Doops 20:54, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC) I could not give you an exact number relating to your first question. I can, however, accurately state that historically, many Irish peers have had nothing to do with Ireland; rather, many (or perhaps even most) were granted Irish peerage dignities so that they would not flood the House of Lords. If you have the time, you may check [http://www.burkes-peerage.net/sites/peerageandgentry/sitepages/home.asp Burke's Peerage], which gives the addresses of all peers. Your second question, and perhaps also your first question, may be addressed in [http://www2.smumn.edu/uasal/titles.html this article] (1995). :Well, I looked a number of them up in the online Burke's (insofar as possible without registering), and I discovered several whose listed residence was in the republic, but whose CV included stints at Eton and/or in the British military. User:Doops 22:57, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC) After the Union of 1801, the House of Lords (of the United Kingdom) assumed jurisdiction over Irish peerage disputes, even though Irish were not automatically entitled to seats in that House. The House of Lords continued to retain jurisdiction after 1922; see [http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/ld/ldstords/ldso--n.htm#79 the Standing Orders of the House of Lords]. In practice, the matter is resolved not by the whole House, but by the Privileges Committee. (Note: Theoretically, the Sovereign, as ''fons honorum'' or fount of honour, determines all disputes relating to peerages or other dignities, whether English, Scottish or Irish. It is, however, well-established that the Sovereign and his or her ministers would consult the House of Lords if there is any dispute over a Peerage. The Sovereign could in theory disregard the House of Lords entirely, but in practice would not.) -- User:Lord Emsworth 20:26, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC) What is the role of the Ulster King of Arms? User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 23:51, 20 Sep 2004 (UTC) :I know that Lyon is, for all practical purposes, the arbiter of peerage disputes in Scotland. He would determine which individual is entitled to the deceased peer's arms undifferenced; the House of Lords would just abide by his decision. But I do not believe that the Earl Marshal or Garter have similar functions in England; I would imagine that the same would apply to Ulster. -- User:Lord Emsworth 22:20, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Viscount Fitzwilliam == Viscount Fitzwilliam is not mentioned...? --User:Joy 17:36, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) :That's because it's extinct. User:Proteus User_talk:Proteus 17:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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