PedanticallySpeaking

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==Nihil nisi malum== Wikipedia is great because it gives us frustrated writers an outlet for our graphomania, lets the Cliff Clavins show off their erudition, and provides the world with information on topics great and small. Especially the small, for where else can one learn about dord, Marybeth Peil, and the Warren County Canal? There are irritations. Some petty, some serious. In the former are the vandals that like to post graffiti, some of whom are members of the fourth estate trying to show how absurd this project is. In the latter are those who unilaterally discard vast swaths of material, those who remain willfully ignorant of the manual of stylebook, those who eschew comity. Few Wikipedians fall into these ranks, but the irritation they cause is out of proportion with their numbers. We all need praise, we're only human (except for the bots, of course ;) and need some ego-stroking. How else to explain the numbers of articles submitted at WP:FAC than pride. We'll all prideful. WP:FAC is also a source of irritation, for there is so much negativity there. Wikipedians, myself included, are too free to damn and praise faintly, if at all. I've tried when commenting on articles to temper my criticism with observations of what is good. Undoubtedly, I haven't done this as well as I should. Some find fault exclusively and don't try to soften the blow with commendations. Certainly we have some very good apples in our barrel, User:Vaoverland and User:Niteowlneils to single out two who have worked with me, but the iconoclasts, the naysayers, the carpers, the critics, and the deletionists still weigh on my spirit. Am I going away? No, at least not now. I am, however, reflecting on whether subjecting myself to these irrirations is necessary. I like writing, even if its mainly for an audience of one, and will have to decide if I want to continue doing it here. Any thoughts on this, please leave me a message [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:PedanticallySpeaking&action=edit§ion=new|here].

PedanticallySpeaking

''This is my current talk page. I'll probably be away in the next few days, but in the interim, please post new comments at the bottom, unless you are replying to a message I sent you. In that case, would you please post it with the original below? Thanks. '' User:PedanticallySpeaking 16:45, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC)

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ARCHIVES *Messages from March 7, 2005, to April 28, 2005 are at User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive3. *Messages from December 28, 2004, to March 6, 2005 are at User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive2. *Messages from November 11, 2004, to December 27, 2004 are at User:PedanticallySpeaking/Archive1. ==At the Bottom, Please== ==Seven-twenty== Posted at User talk:Kingturtle:
Considering, firstly, that the work at July 20 I labored on for many weeks and which stood for months unremarked upon by any Wikipedian was largely removed by you without asking for the opinion of anyone else, and, secondly, that my attempts to address the issues regarding the file size raised on the talk page were summarily reverted by you within minutes, you will forgive me for failing to believe your invitation yesterday on Talk:July 20 to comment is a serious one. User:PedanticallySpeaking 16:42, Apr 29, 2005 (UTC) *I do respect how much work you've done on this article. Let's work together with others at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Days of the year to figure out the best solution for the situation. There should be some limits as to what goes onto day pages. But what those limits are - are still up to debate. User:Kingturtle 23:45, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Township project == I see you are feeling crummy because disputes over articles. If it makes you feel any better, I've gotten a lot of good out of your Ohio Townships Project. I have now finished two articles based on your advice: Northampton Township, Summit County, Ohio and Bath Township, Summit County, Ohio == My RFA == Thank you for your comments on my RFA. Although the voting period just ended with a 14-8-2 vote, I will admit once and for all that I used it more as an evaluation of myself. Being promoted would have been a plus. I was more interested in who voted, when they voted, who would change their votes and when, and the comments I would receive. Hopefully I will correct the main weakness that was raised by those who voted oppose -- that I was too eager to put articles on VFD. Also, I will try to interact more with those Wikipedians who did not vote at all. As for next month, I don't know if I will nominate myself again. I might not think about it until somebody else puts me up there on RFA at a later date. Eventually, I see myself as an admin, especially as the number of articles and users continues to grow. Thanks again and good luck at improving this vast archive of free knowledge. User:Zzyzx11 User talk:Zzyzx11 09:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC) == Ohio counties- minor correction == On your (quite excellent!) writeup on county government in Ohio, which you presumably included on all Ohio county entries, you wrote: "Like eighty-six other counties (the exception is Summit)...". Problem is, there are 88 counties in Ohio. This means that either there is another exception besides Summit, or a minor correction to each county entry is necessary. I took the liberty of presuming the latter, and fixed the entry at Logan County, Ohio. Could you please review, and let me know if I may assist in the other edits? Thanks, User:SwissCelt 23:35, 7 May 2005 (UTC) * Oh, wait... never mind. I see what you were saying here: Summit + subject of the entry + 86 others = Ohio's 88 counties. Sorry about that; I feel a bit foolish now. I may still try a revision at Logan County, Ohio to clarify; let me know what you think? User:SwissCelt 23:38, 7 May 2005 (UTC) == Serial comma == Hello. In the past, you've spoken in favor of the serial comma in the WP Manual of Style. Currently, two or three users have been taking out all guidance on that in favor of a statement that the MoS takes no position. They've said they reached a consensus on the talk page. Would you care to comment there? User:Jonathunder 22:02, 2005 May 9 (UTC) == Template:ISBN == Salve, Aranel!
This template has been listed at for deletion Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:ISBN. As you commented on the template's talk page I thought you might comment on the vote page, though it appears hopelessly in favor of deletion at this point. User:PedanticallySpeaking 17:40, May 11, 2005 (UTC) ==Talk:Dawson's Creek== You've done quite a bit of commenting on the Talk:Dawson's Creek page...Would you mind reviewing Talk:Dawson's Creek#Jack and offering your thoughts? Thanks. User:Essjay 10:06, May 12, 2005 (UTC) Thanks for you comment. I knew that you weren't responsible for the line, and I probably could have conveyed that more clearly. I appreciate you looking it over! Thanks again. User:Essjay == Playmates == :"I noticed 10qwerty's wikilinks to all the Playmates on the List of people in Playboy 2000-Present. I had an article on Miss Novemer 2001, Stephanie Heinrich, that was put up for deletion the same day I composed it. (See the VfD discussion Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion/Stephanie_Heinrich.) Would you be willing to support a vote for Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion if we are going to wikilink all the Playmates? PedanticallySpeaking 16:43, May 12, 2005 (UTC)" I'm sorry to say, but I agree that Ms. Heinrich isn't notable enough in my mind to warrant a page of her own. Until she acts in a few more movies like Shannon_Tweed or at the very least is Carmella_DeCesare, she doesn't seem to me to be notable enough.
As far as the comment, "I noticed 10qwerty's wikilinks to all the Playmates on the List of people in Playboy 2000-Present." is concerned... Just because he went through and linked all the names, doesn't mean they necessarily deserve articles right now. He just decided to link them all for whatever reason. See my User_talk:Dismas for his comment about the NHL seasons. He's fine with having a bunch of red links, apparently. I don't like the look of it but I do see where it's handy for when the Playmate actually does become notable.
I know Wikipedia isn't paper and we have all this room for the electrons to show us information, so I'm not worried if there are articles out there for women who have done nothing else other than become Playmate of the Month. (and yes, I know there are Lauren_Michelle_Hill)
And finally, I thought about this a bunch today as you can see (afterall, I did have the day off), look at it this way... A Playmate of the Month is only notable to those people who subscribe to Playboy. And how many do you think remember the name of the previous month's Playmate after they get the new issue the next month. Or even ten minutes after they set the magazine down. I know I don't (I've been a subscriber for years). So they have their name in a magazine for one month out of one year. Now think about all the people that listen to National Public Radio. There is a show called ''The Thistle & Shamrock'', perhaps you've heard of it, perhaps not. So take all the people who listen to NPR, then whittle that down to all the people who listen to ''The Thistle & Shamrock''. I'm guessing it's less than the number of subscribers to Playboy but the host of the show, Fiona Ritchie, has her own article. But then she has a weekly radio program that is broadcast nationwide. One has a radio show, the other only has 15 minutes of fame, if that much.
Sorry this got so long, I can be long-winded at times. But your request also got me thinking about what I consider notable and non-notable. And typing this helped me flesh out my thoughts. I'd like to hear what you think, even if you want to tell me to go take a hike. User:Dismas 01:52, 13 May 2005 (UTC) == Ohio Schools == Posted on User talk:Tony Sidaway:
Salve, Tony Sidaway!
I did some work on the article Princeton City School District, Hamilton County, Ohio and saw you'd created a category, :Category:Public education in Ohio. I checked the list of categories under :Category:Ohio and see we already have a similar one, :Category:Education in Ohio. User:PedanticallySpeaking 19:56, May 23, 2005 (UTC) Thanks. The :Category:Public education in Ohio category is redundant so I'll move anything there into :Category:Education in Ohio to orphan it then I'll delete.. --User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway 22:54, 23 May 2005 (UTC) ==Adminship== I'd like to thank you for supporting my nomination. It was appreciated!--User:Wiglaf 21:40, 25 May 2005 (UTC) ==Friendly Chat== Hi, how you doing? I believe I've never had the pleasure of writing to you before. When I joined Wiki, nobody welcomed me with the Wiki Policies and etc. I was totally clueless. I was so ignorant that I didn't even know about the exsistence of administrators, arbitrators and etc. In the beginging I had some skirmishes with other Wikipedians and when I started to realize how Wiki really worked, I also realized, and I'm not ashamed to say it, how stupid I had been acting. Some of the people with whom I had these skirmishes became my mentors and guided me along the way. I learned what the community is all about and deidicated myself to producing good quality articles for Wiki since then. Whenever I see a new guy I remind them that they're part of a community and not a one man show. I just wanted to share this with you. Take care User:Marine 69-71 ==Bob McEwen== Posted on User talk:Meelar:
I attributed the assertion re his politics in the lead to a named reporter. Any better? User:PedanticallySpeaking 18:48, May 26, 2005 (UTC) == Heya, just made a note on Bob McEwen == It, uh, may look harsh. That is ''not'' my purpose, I'd like to personally say that you have done a lot of hard work on the article and it's interesting! If you could perhaps use Template:Note and Template:Ref or use inline citations - e.g. (Deimer, pg 194) I think this would satisfy the eligibility criteria. The article ''is'' very informative and actually pretty interesting (I'm not an American, this would normally ''not'' interest me)! Well done with the article. Let me know if you are able to resolve my objections and I'll recast my vote :-) User:Ta bu shi da yu 05:21, 29 May 2005 (UTC) Heya Thanks for the welcome I do have a printed source for the French derivation of Auglaize and that is the 2004 Official High way Map produced by County government. I'm not sure how to reference that on here (I'm new to this and trying to get it done in between my finals.) Any advice? == Re: Your thoughts on Wikipedia == Have you considered writing on LiveJournal? I keep a journal there (as SwissCelt, naturally). I find it a helpful avenue for venting my thoughts. (That's not to say that you shouldn't do that here, only that it's an additional, helpful resource.) User:SwissCelt 18:31, 31 May 2005 (UTC) ==Thank You== What a year! My first year in Wiki, a featured article and now administrator. Thank you for your support. User: Marine 69-71 (UTC) == Thanks == Thanks for your vote in support of my admin nomination. User:Paul August User_talk:Paul August 14:04, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC) ==Sigh== Posted on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Bob McEwen:
Sigh. This is exactly User:PedanticallySpeaking, everyone so quick to criticize and never offering a kind word. I see not one positive remark by any of the commentators above.
As for the substance of the article . . . When I had the description of what Bob McEwen stood for in the lead, I was criticized. When I quoted an article saying that, I was criticized still. Shouldn't the lead tell us something about what the guy was about? I suppose the only way to avoid criticism is to stick to Bioguide profiles and write resumes of people. Elsewhere, someone spoke that some editors seemed intent on reducing writing to "grey goo", devoid of any color or substance.
As for the sourcing, every single quote is referenced. One only needs to look at my bibliography. Every article is annotated as to what came from it. This was how I referenced Julia Stiles, which is a featured article, and nobody objected then to my sourcing.
I like writing and researching, but these comments leave me shaking my head in frustration. User:PedanticallySpeaking 18:24, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC) == Felt date error? == In your excellent additions to W. Mark Felt, you added "On 1 July 1972, Felt was promoted by Hoover to Deputy Associate Director." But Hoover was dead by then. Can you check the source? Thanks! == Did you know? == {| class="Talk-Notice" |- | |:Template:Did you know has been updated. A fact from the article Ohio Second Congressional District Election, 2005, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on :Template talk:Did you know. |} ==WikiProject Political Figures== You've got your name down on the list of members as being interested here - alas, not a whole lot has been happening. Are you still interested? I'd really like to make an effort at getting this going once and for all. User:Ambi 13:28, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/June_2005#The_Swingle_Singers.3F == Replied to Wikipedia:Reference_desk_archive/June_2005#The_Swingle_Singers.3F - might lead to an answer for you. Do check it out. ¦ User:Reisio 18:03, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Footnoting == I'll give it a shot... however, footnoting is pretty easy. Example - you can give "note1" any name. - User:Ta bu shi da yu 01:53, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) ===Notes=== # This is the first note! ==WP:FLC / List of Ohio county name etymologies== Hi - sorry to push, but are you going to be able to move User:Docu'sTalk:List of Ohio county name etymologies/Test to List of Ohio county name etymologies? If so, let me know when you have done and I'll promote if from WP:FLC to WP:FL; if not, I'll archive the nomination as it is well past its 14 days. (I've left a similar message for User:Docu). -- User:ALoan User_talk:ALoan 12:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==W. Mark Felt== Salve!
I nominated W. Mark Felt as a WP:FAC. As you commented on the Deep Throat talk page, I'd appreciate your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/W. Mark Felt. User:PedanticallySpeaking 15:47, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC) : Thanks for the notification. I don't really buy into the "featured article" thing so I've nothing really to say. --User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway 15:56, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Oh! == No wonder I thought I had seen it before. Thanks for clearing that up. == W. Mark Felt x2 == I have added the notes to that page. There are a few that still need to be filled in! See the bottom of W. Mark Felt#Notes. - User:Ta bu shi da yu 02:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) :BTW, the article is very good, and I wanted to thank you for giving me the areas to put in the footnotes! - User:Ta bu shi da yu 06:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Her Majesty's handbag== Doing that research was a pleasure. I only regret that I have made no time for Wikipedia:Reference desk recently.—User:TheoClarke User_talk:TheoClarke 18:08, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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