Hello, "Painbearer -- User:Infrogmation 19:05, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
== New stuff. ==
Alright cheif? Welcome and such. I like your work on Oasis, but the only thing is, you shouldn't really incorporate your own Point of View into the articles. For example, they'll slap yer wrist for putting Be Here Now is a good album, 'cause some people think it's shite (including, I understand, Noel Gallagher). Likewise, you can't put that it's "definitely weaker" than there other stuff, 'cause, unlikely though it may seem, people might disagree with you. I know how you feel, I got a alot of stick when I started, but just try to remain neutral. I'd reccomend skimming through the tutorial, but for now I'm happy to re-work yer edits, 'cause yer contributing good stuff. Watch out for the nerds, thy'll get bitchy with yer.--User:Crestville 12:29, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)
:Good, I'd like to see the Blur page built up. It's a bit slim, but I don't know enough.--User:Crestville 23:48, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
::Sorry mate, I had to remove this scentence ''"It seems that brothers just like more their high media profile, that undisputably help for their popularity, but doesn't display more songwriting ideas, bigger craftmanship in making their new material and respectively more albums in that line."''`'cause it didn't seem to make any sense. Don't get irritated about people changing your stuff and moving it about. That's what's meant to happen, it's not a personal thing. Just try to tone down the opinon orientated comments. Other than that, your stuff is fine. i like the pictures of Oasis, good stuff.--User:Crestville 21:03, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)
== Re: Edits and Radiohead page ==
Please please please:
-Don't add POV (Point Of View) to an encyclopedic article. Doing so is just inviting someone else to later edit it to his own opposing POV, then someone else to a different opinion, etc. ad nauseam.
-During your editing, please use the form's SHOW PREVIEW button (right next to the Save Page button) in order to see and judge the effects for yourself w/o committing them to the article yet. The other day you've saturated Radiohead's history of edits with dozens of attempts at finding the better placement for photogs, because you've saved each attempt for everyone to see, instead of just previewing it for yourself.
-When your editing/previewing is done, and before saving the changes, in the EDIT SUMMARY box above the SAVE button, please type a short summary of what you added/removed/changed and why. It'll be listed in the page's history, will help others to understand your changes.
Look at your favorite pages' History Tab, you can easily pick a lot of info from them and from the diff between versions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Radiohead&action=history
-- User:213.228.60.141 13:51, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
== Image uploads ==
Please read Wikipedia:Image use policy and tag the images you have uploaded with their source and legal status. For things that are copyrighted but you believe qualify as fair use, you can use the tag. User:Leif 11:27, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:I, don't know how to do that mate... If you can give me some detail about it - I'll apreciate it. Sorry for the inconvience, mate. I didn't mean to do it with the pictures. user:Painbearer - 13:40
::Did you read Wikipedia:Image use policy? And Wikipedia:Image copyright tags (linked from the former)? I would tag the images myself, but since I don't know where you got them, I can't. By the way, where ''did'' you get those high resolution pictures you put on the articles about members of Radiohead? User:Leif 23:11, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)
== Guessing on edits ==
Don't just guess on factual edits, like the one you made about the 1888 presidential election in the Radiohead article. Research before you change something like that. I referenced a [http://www.ateaseweb.com/presss/archive/001181.php June 2003 article from Spin]... the least you could do is look that up before you just change something for which I gave a source. --User:PseudoThinker 19:02, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==It isn't fun==
I know that you know that Michael Stipe isn't Michael Stripe. Quit the vandalism related to it, or you'll get blocked. -User:Hapsiainen 15:52, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)
: As someone who had to help clean up the results (instead of being able to work on new content), let me second that. User:JncUser_talk:Jnc 18:28, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)
::Painbearer stated User talk:Hapsiainen that it was a boda fide edit. But it was still a hasty edit, you should have first edited the article talk page. I complained it nowhere but your talk page, so they are not going to block you. And you quited it in time, so they wouldn't have blocked you even if I had told about you. -User:Hapsiainen 15:38, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
== Oasis Edits ==
I appreciate your continued additions to the Oasis article, but your latest additions are a little "over the top" (sorry for a lack of a better phrase). I think what you had written previously was sufficient. The paragraphs preceding "Early Years" is a bit unnecessary. Other than that, fine work. I might visit the article and clean it up a bit. Just the intro...that's all that needs cleaning up. Thanks! -- User:TheSunTheSea 17:51, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Please, please, please...reconsider your contributions before you post them. I just saw your "Be Here Now" contributions for the Oasis article and I must say it's very sub-par.
This is an encyclopedia, so naturally the language which we use should be written in the style of an encyclopedia. To put it bluntly, many of your contributions sound like haphazard emails. They're very unprofessional. I suggest you remove the Be Here Now contribution. We don't need to hear about "Some fans like...". It sounds too elementary. User:TheSunTheSea 22:48, 21 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Yeah, you've done a good job of expanding it. It's a great band, although the two latest albums haven't been quite as great, if you ask me. Well, happy holidays to you, too. User:Everyking 04:44, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Man, i go away for three weeks, and the Oasis page is totally differant! Much of it is for the best, but you've got to stop trying to justify everything they do. If Oasis make a crap album, you don't need to put "some people thought it was crap, but I liked...." It's not like Liam is going to read it and then hunt you down like a dog. I'm a massive fan, but they've done some crap stuff. Just put "the critics were cold but it sold well" or something. Also, there's no place for words like "epic" when describing an album, just as there is no place for the word "horse shit" when describing a Radiohead album - as much as you might like it, someone is going to disagree. It's good stuff, but imagine you're writing for something that is actually important, and not just passing time on your pc. Keep up the ''good'' work.--User:Crestville 16:53, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:Listen man, i'm not "flaming" on you nor getting mad, but the reason I persist in contacting you is that you're not listening to what peoople, who are only trying to help, are saying. You have a fantastic knowlege of music, you've added a lot of interesting facts to pages in which i have a vested inetrest, but your writing just needs a bit of fine tuning. Don't be disenchanted, keep it up. And don't chat to me like that. --User:Crestville 19:02, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
::You must've written that bit of info on every Oasis page but the Liam Gallagher one. Nice to see it finally found it's proper home. That's the only reason I've deleated some of yer stuff - wrong place. And stop crying babe.--User:Crestville 11:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Nice picture of Oasis.--User:Crestville 22:00, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)
==Robert Jordan==
This page does need expansion, and I understand that English is not your first language, but I had to revert your edits because they resulted in the page being less clear than it was previously. I have retained the picture that you added. Try to write articles from a neutral point of view, and remember that quality is always better tha n quantity; massive ammounts of detail about Jordan's family is not really that important.
I am very sorry that I had to do this, please do not consider it to be a personal attack. Happy editing. User:Rje 03:05, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==Blur==
Well done on your restructuring of the Blur article. I was just thinking of expanding it myself so you saved me some trouble. A small point though - those pictures don't have copyright information on them. They look like official photos so they're probably copyrighted. Please, at least put their source and a fair use tab on them. They will definately get deleated, otherwise. --User:Moochocoogle 02:52, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC)
== Britpop ==
I'm coming along behind you, cleaning up bits of grammar etc. I'm happy to keep doing that. I'm not an expert on britpop, but I'm a little dubious as to whether some of the bands should be mentioned here. I don't recall Stereophonics being anything really to do with the movement, and The Darkness are a rock band referencing Queen and similar bands and in my opinion have nothing to do with the movement at all. I do like what you're doing for the most part, but some of stuff looks a bit strange to me, and I feel you might be a little over-enthusiastic about Oasis. I think we could do with some more people working on the article so we get a more 'consensus' article. To that end, I'm considering asking for 'Peer Review' on the article, what do you think of this idea? User:Djbrianuk 16:04, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
==The Kinks==
It looks like you already have people telling you about copyright tags, so I won't drive it into your head further. I'd would just like to know where you got the various images of The Kinks so I can help with the copyright tags. You did a fine job of postitioning the pictures too, by the way. Cheers.
--User:Shirimasen 01:29, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, I know it's a pain in the ass, but it's better if you or I do it now and not have User: Neutrality or someone breathing down your neck about it later.
--User:Shirimasen 21:03, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
::Don't worry about it, I'll do it. I rather like the research involved in it ^_^. You go ahead and write articles.
::--User:Shirimasen 22:06, Feb 6, 2005 (UTC)
== Oasis pic. ==
How's it going? That Oasis pic you moved, I know what you mean about it not looking right at the top, but I think the article needs a headling picture. A logo would be best, but they don't really have one, unless I can find that one off the Masterplan. If that don't work, I don't think we could go far wrong with a picture of the Gallaghers, but if I can't get a better one, I'll just move that other one back up. Just so you know it isn't some vindictive attack on you, Crybaby ;).--User:Crestville 19:20, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)
==Blink-182/Blur==
Hi Painbearer. I have moved the section of the above article back to where it was before. I feel that this shouldn't be in the introduction, which is a short paragraph giving key information about the article. If readers wish to know more then they can read deeper in. I did, however, incorporate some of your other edits into the changes I made, and thank you for your contributions. Also, I listed some of your images from Blur on WP:PUI. If you can clarify that they are legitimate for use (provide some text that we are allowed to use them), then I will be happy to remove the listing. After 15 days, the images will be removed from any articles and then deleted. User:Lan3y - User talk:Lan3y 12:21, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC)
:I have tagged the picture in Graham Coxon article, from the same site. Please stop adding images from fansites with no copyright info. --User:Moochocoogle 16:38, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
::... and the one in Stephen Street. --User:Moochocoogle 15:47, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)
== Britpop ==
I've done a rather radical edit to Britpop. See the article talk page for my reasoning. If you don't like what I've done, drop a note on my talk page or the article talk page and perhaps we can come to some comprimise. User:Djbrianuk 02:03, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)
==Image source==
Thank you for uploading :Image:AvoryM.gif. Its copyright status is unclear, so it may have to be deleted. Please leave a note on the image page about the source of the image. Thank you. --User:Ellmist 04:30, 18 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:Listed on WP:CP. User:Lan3y - User talk:Lan3y 12:37, Mar 18, 2005 (UTC)
Also, :Image:Britpop2.jpg. --User:Ellmist 05:50, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==Coldplay==
Actually, Manic Street Preachers have a very extensive awards section, which is where I got the idea from. --User:Madchester 21:58, 2005 Mar 23 (UTC)
==New Blur images==
Regarding the :Image:Blur-etnies-nike-converse.jpg:Image:Blur08.jpg you uploaded to Blur, you need to provide information on where you got them from and why wikipedia can use them. I found the first one on [http://home.doramail.com/rosi:doramail.com/13/13index.html this page]. If this is where you got it from, I don't believe that it holds the copyright to the image, and will need further clarification.
Also, this is not the first time that you have uploaded images without source information, and I have had a number of them deleted in the past. You have had numerous people commenting on this page about it before. I quote from Special:Upload: "Provide detailed information on the source of the file."
Please update the images with source information. Thanks, User:Lan3y - User talk:Lan3y 01:37, Mar 26, 2005 (UTC)
== Britpop Ambiguity ==
Hi. Listen, I know you think I keep getting at you, but this scentance makes no sense:
''considered seminal forces for the movement and the starting decade''
It's just the "starting decade" bit. It appears to be gramatically incorrect. I deleted it once, and you put it back, so you must see something in it that I might be missing. But if not, I know English isn't your first language, and I'm trying to be sympathetic but I can't just leave something like that in an article. I'm just letting you know so you don't, again, think I'm just being vindictive and trying to wind you up. I'd appreciate it if you left me a bit of feedback. Cheers.--User:Crestville 15:31, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:Or don't. Y'know, whatever :( --User:Crestville 15:16, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, sorry, I thought you wrote that. I do apologise. Yeah, It's comin on in leaps and bounds. And unless I'm mistaken, you're the main instigator, so have a pat on the back. --User:Crestville 18:34, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::Very, very, very, VERY nice Oasis template.
::::I dunno what IQC is. Got a question, and I can't think of anyone better than you to ask, cuz your a big radiohead fan. What's so great about Ok Computer? It is held in such high regard and I just don't get it. Alot of the tracks are just wierd noises. I think the bends is much better. At least that is like a proper album. Maybe I'm missing something--User:Crestville 22:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
==Whitey==
Read this in an english magazine "The Big Issue". It's from an interview with Noel, thought you might be interested:
''"[Alan White]'s fucking great guy and he's one of the best drummers I've ever ever met in my life, but his personal life is fuckihng chaos. In the end he fucked off nad we haven't seen him since"''
Make of it what you will, I just thought you might want to include it somwhere.--User:Crestville 17:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
:I'm afriad there is no link. I read it in a magazine, if you need a reference or a footnote, try "Interview with Noel Gallagher, The Big Issue, May 162005"
I really like that new oasis picture. Nice one.--User:Crestville 15:37, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
==Poppit==
Which bit in particular would you like me to look at. I like the article, and I know you put alot of work into it.
Once again, well done.
PS: Hello--User:Crestville 22:34, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
:The reason I swapped those two pictures on the Oasis page is because the larger picture is bigger and you can clearly see the faces of all four.
:I think this makes it a more appropriate choice for the top picture, but if you disagree, please let me know.
:Cheers bud.--User:Crestville 22:48, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
::Oh THOSE pictures. I didn't realise you done them yourself, they're really good, nice one. Whoever said they were "tacky" is being a bit of a cunt.--User:Crestville 22:40, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
== Blink-182 ==
Note that Wikilinks in headers are deprecated, and as the links already exist in the article, they're unnecessary in this case. Also, while "toilet humour" is a widely-recognised phrase, "American Pie humour" isn't (in fact I for one have little idea what you mean by it). User:Mel Etitis (Μελ_Ετητης)">User talk:Mel Etitis 22:29, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry to pile on here, but I agree with Mel. The phrease "American Pie humor" will not be understood by non-American readers. Similarly, the phrase "in the same vein" is less clear than saying "the same basic formula". User:Rhobite 23:40, Jun 2, 2005 (UTC)
== Blur - copyvio ==
Your changes to the Blur article in January seem to have consisted of wholesale plagiarism of the [http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE57916DD4EA97120CE9E3441C7BA76EB29D94EFB87126E495AD1A93D47830979EF40A3C6C5AEF875B47CE3FE2EAE5A07D9CAED469CA1&sql=11:qau36j3h71e0~T1 Allmusic] article on Blur. Care to explain? User:John KenneyUser_talk:John Kenney 02:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The initial edit was simply to copy in allmusic stuff wholesale, which is a copyvio. You have made changes to it since, but that doesn't mean that it's not a copyvio. Using allmusic (or whatever copyrighted source) as a place to get basic facts is fine. But copying their actual words is plagiarism, no matter if you then continue to change it. I understand that it was not done in malice, but it's still a copyright violation, and this method is one which is inappropriate. User:John KenneyUser_talk:John Kenney 15:45, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You will note that I have not reverted the article to its pre-you state. I am happy to give you a few days to rework them, but you really need to be sure that all remnants of the language used by allmusic are gone. Phrases like "mining the same swirling, pseudo-psychedelic guitar pop, only with louder guitars," "turned out to be a dry run for Blur's breakthrough album, Parklife," "With the success of Parklife, Blur opened the door for a flood of British indie guitar bands who dominated British pop culture in the mid-'90s," and so forth need to be completely gone. They are ''plagiarism'', and they could get wikipedia into trouble. Take a few days to rewrite, sure, but it really needs to be ''rewritten''. User:John KenneyUser_talk:John Kenney 16:01, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)