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Nile:''For alternative meanings of "Nile", see Nile (disambiguation)'' The Nile (Arabic language: النيل ''an-nīl''), in Africa, is one of the two longest river on Earth. ==Terminology== The word "Nile" comes from the word ''Neilos'' (Νειλος), a Greek name for the Nile. Another Greek name for the Nile was ''Aigyptos'' (Αιγυπτος), which itself is the source of the name "Egypt". ==Longest river== The Nile is usually considered the longest river in the world, but whether the Nile is actually longer than South America's Amazon River still remains the subject of much debate. This is, for the most part, due to two reasons: first, the lengths of rivers vary over time (especially in plains, where rivers often change course), and, second, the point from which the length of a river is measured is not always agreed upon. The Nile carries far less water than the mighty Amazon, partly because it receives not a single tributary from its halfway mark at the Atbara River in Sudan all the way to the Mediterranean Sea. If the remote headstream — the Ruvyironza — is taken as the beginning and followed to the Mediterranean, the Nile is approximately 6695 km (4160 miles) long. Measuring instead from Lake Victoria gives a length of approximately 5584 km (3470 miles). It drains approximately 2.8 million to 3.4 million km² (1.1 million to 1.3 million mile²). ==Branches== There are two great branches of the Nile: the White Nile, from equatorial East Africa, and the Blue Nile, from Ethiopia. Both branches formed on the western flanks of the East African Rift, which is the southern African part of the Great Rift Valley. ===White Nile=== Lake Victoria, which lies between Uganda, Kenya and Tanzania is considered to be the source of the Nile, although the lake itself has feeder rivers of considerable size from the other Great Lakes (Africa) of Africa. In particular, the farthest headstream of the Nile is the Ruvyironza River in Burundi, which is an upper branch of the Kagera River. The Kagera flows for 690 km (429 miles) before reaching Lake Victoria. Leaving Lake Victoria, the river is known as the Victoria Nile. It flows further for approximately 500 km (300 miles), through Lake Kyoga, until it reaches Lake Albert. After leaving Lake Albert, the river is known as the Albert Nile. It then flows into Sudan, where it becomes known as the Bahr al Jabal. At the confluence of the Bahr al Jabal with the Bahr el Ghazal, itself 720 km (445 miles) long, the river beomes known as the Bahr al Abyad, or the White Nile, from the clay suspended in its waters. From there, the river flows to Khartoum. ===Blue Nile=== Meanwhile, the Blue Nile (or Bahr al Azraq to Sudanese; Abbai to Ethiopians) springs from Lake Tana in the Ethiopian Highlands. The Blue Nile flows about 1,400 km (850 miles) to Khartoum, where the Blue Nile and White Nile join to form "the Nile." Most of the water carried by the Nile originates from Ethiopia, but this runoff only happens in summer, when the great rains fall on the Ethiopian Plateau; the rest of the year the great rivers draining Ethiopia to the Nile (Sobat, Blue Nile, and Atbara) flow weakly or are dry. Composite_image_satellite_image_of_the_Nile_(see_also_the_ NileAs requested, I am discussing my changes here. My changes are limited to the opening paragraph of the page. First, I am changing "The Nile, in Africa, is generally accepted to be the longest rivers on Earth." I am changing this because (clearly) it is not generally accepted to be the longest, otherwise there wouldn't have been this edit war in the first place. I am changing it to "The Nile, in Africa, is one of the two longest rivers on Earth, with the Amazon River of South America being the other." I believe that this is a factual statement and NPOV. Second, I am changing "The length of Amazon and Nile have been reason of much debate." I am changing this mostly for grammatical reasons. I am changing it to "Which is longer has long been the subject of much debate." Third, I am removing the sentence "The Amazon River, in South America, is the greatest river in the world." I am removing this for several reasons. First, no mention is made of what "greatest" means. Second, a claim that the Amazon River is "the greatest" river, in some unspecified way, has no place in an article on the Nile River. Third, it certainly has no place in the middle of a paragraph about the length of the Nile. If someone wants to put such a statement back in, I strongly suggest being specific about what you mean instead of relying on the subjective term "greatest", and mentioning it in a subordinate fashion (for example, "Which is longer has been the subject of much debate (although the Amazon unquestionably has a greater volume of flow)."). Fourth, I am changing the sentence "Length of rivers vary over time especially in the plains (where rivers change course) besides the point from which river length is measured is not always agreed upon, hence most sources disagree on the length of the rivers." I am changing this mostly for grammatical purposes and purposes of clarification. I am changing it to "This is, for the most part, due to two reasons: First, the lengths of rivers vary over time (especially in plains, where rivers often change course). Second, the point from which the length of a river is measured is not always agreed upon." -User:Rwv37 01:27, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC) :All seems generally uncontroversial. Do we have a scientific citation or two that addresses the competing claims? Presumably this issue is not something made up by amateurs... User:Stan Shebs 05:05, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::Thanks for your effort to clearly specify why and what changes you made. Please now, can you point to a resource which says that Nile is not generally accepted to be longer than Amazon. From all the google searches I could carry out, I could not find a single resource that said the Nile was not the longest. ::Try these if you may ::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=longest+river longest river] ::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=Amazon+longest+river Amazon longest river] (ofcoz - google does a keyword search not a logic search) ::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=nile+second+longest+river nile second longest river] ::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Amazon+is+the+longest+river%22 "Amazon is the longest river"] 28 Results and not all of them talk about Amazon being the longest. ::*[http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Nile+is+the+longest+river%22 "Nile is the longest river"] 589 Results and most of them talk about Nile being longest. ::*[http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=114472&tocid=0&query=nile&ct= Encyclopædia Britannica Article Nile] ::*[http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=117568&tocid=0&query=amazon&ct= Encyclopædia Britannica Article on Amazon] ::*[http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761558310/Nile.html Article from Encarta - Nile] ::*[http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761571466/Amazon_(river).html#s1 Article from Encarta - Amazon] ::If the links do not work please do a search yourself. ::Well if this does not define ''generally accepted'' what does? I must correct myself now -- I am not saying (anymore) that I could not find a single webpage that claimed Amazon is the longest river but none of them were credible enough - in fact quite a few were wikipedia articles. I even did a Google news search to see if there was something new - well I could not find anything. Still, if there is some new discovery that I do not know about - sorry to waste your time. :: ''most sources disagree on the length of the rivers'' should be added. Finally, the problem in the case of Nile (I think) has more to do with the point to which the length is measured rather than from. Not sure tho. -User:Ankur 09:32, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::: Regarding ''"Please now, can you point to a resource which says that Nile is not generally accepted to be longer than Amazon."'': Sure. Try [http://ceos.cnes.fr:8100/cdrom/ceos1/casestud/brasil/brasil3.htm]], from which I quote: :::"The Amazon is known everywhere as the largest (volume and area) basin of fresh water on Earth. Ongoing research undertaken at the Brazilian National Institute of Space Research (INPE) indicates that the Amazon is also proving to be the longest river. Brand new features extracted from LANDSAT temporal data are showing new routes for the Amazon main stream, mostly in the flooding season. ''(...)''" ::: "Besides those longer meanders and channels a new birthsite of the Amazon headwaters was mapped following the Ucayalli and the Apurimac waters. The new site liess deep in the snowed cliffs (nevados) of the Chila Mountains part of the Andean Range in the vicinity of Arequipa, south of Peru. The new first slope of the Amazon was depicted through LANDSAT images. ''(...)''" ::: "Following just the longer channels/meanders and measuring the new segment in the Chila Mountains the standing length of the Amazon (6,550km) is increased by more than 300 kilometres. The figures are still partial because the whole River is being geo-referenced in order to have a GIS support to proceed with the measurements. The current length of the Amazon (6,850km) is slightly longer than the Nile (6,670km) ''(...)''" ::: Would you like more than one resource? I'll find them if you want. Right now, though, I have to go to work. -User:Rwv37 12:35, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC) ::::Interesting - I think this and the Amazon page should reference the issue, and it would be good to have a two-paragraph section in River talking about this in some more depth - first para to explain concept of length measurement and touch on the complexities, and second summarizing the question of longest. Readers interested solely in the Nile just want to know that "longest" is unsettled, if the unsettledness piques interest, they'll click on the link. User:Stan Shebs 16:17, 28 Apr 2004 (UTC) :::::That sounds like a good plan to me. -User:Rwv37 22:13, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC) :::Since I'm back from work now, I figured I would give a few more sources: :::# http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761569915/River.html Encarta's \"River\" entry says, in the "Measuring Rivers" section: "Scientists have traditionally considered the Nile River to be the longest river in the world, although in the 1990s some debate arose as to whether the Amazon River is longer, as new satellite maps revealed a small tributary in the Andes Mountains." Note two things about this: (1) "have traditionally", past tense, and not "do generally"; (2) No refutation of the claim is given. :::#http://www.ecoworld.org/water/ecoworld_Water_Home.cfm EcoWorld says, "the Nile and the Amazon can both be called the longest river in the world depending on how you define longest. With several mouths, the exact point at which the Amazon ends continues to be uncertain. Counting the Para? estuary (the most distant mouth), the Amazon?s length is approximately 4,190 miles. Once officially recorded as having a length of 4,145 miles, the Nile has since lost a few miles due to the formation of Lake Nasser behind the Aswan High Dam." :::#http://archiv.radio.cz/news/EN/2000/19.07.html RadioPrague says, "A joint Czech-Peruvian expedition has confirmed that the Amazon is the longest river in the world, ending years of dispute on the subject. Scientists from Lima's San Carlos University and Prague's Charles University announced after months of research in South America that the remotest source of the Amazon river was a stream in the Peruvian region of Arequipa. Quoted by Russia's Itar-Tass news agency, they said the Amazon was 7,062 kilometres in length, 500 kilometres longer than its nearest rival, the Nile. Their findings now have to be confirmed by satellite." :::#http://www.amazonia.net/Topics/The_Amazon_Basin-25/ The European Working Group on Amazonia says, "The main axis, along the Amazonas, Solimões, and Ucayali Rivers, is 6,672 kilometres in length, longer, in fact, than the Nile (6,671 kilometres)." :::If you would like more than the four I've listed here plus the one I listed this morning, please let me know and I'll post more. -User:Rwv37 22:13, Apr 28, 2004 (UTC) ::Sorry for the late reply I was away. I am happy with whatever links you have listed, thanks. Again, sorry to waste your time. User:Ankur 13:22, 4 May 2004 (UTC) :::No need to apologize. It wasn't a waste of time. On the contrary, it was interesting, and I learned a bunch of stuff that I wouldn't have otherwise. -User:Rwv37 22:21, May 4, 2004 (UTC) == "Nelios"? == Contributed by the august [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Contributions&target=209.233.19.9 209.233.19.9], the claim is made that "The word Nile comes from the word Nelios, which is Greek for river valley." I have some doubts on this and would like to see a source, as as far as I can tell: * The word Nile comes to us by way of Latin from Greek "Neilos" (Νειλος), not "Nelios" * (This may be an ordinary typo, as there doesn't seem to be a Greek word "nelios", either with epsilon or eta.) * This word only appears to mean "Nile", not "river valley". (Perhaps it meant "river valley" in the language the Greeks borrowed it from?) Can anyone shed some light on this? If not, "Nelios" should be respelled and the information on meaning removed. —User:Muke 23:21, 10 Aug 2004 (UTC) At some point, I'd like to see added the fact that the source of the Nile was a mystery to which explorers as ancient as Heroditus and as modern as David Livingstone devoted a good portion of their lives to no avail. I don't know when the real source was discovered, but suffice it to say that the debate still caused quite a row even up to the 1880s, especially in places like the Royal Geographical Society. Debates on the subject attracted crowds of Londoners and incited other explorations. DAS == Explorations == Its very odd to me that the article makes no mention of the 19th century (and earlier) explorations of the nile. User:Fawcett5 15:13, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I know, it's been on my to-do list forever... User:Stan Shebs 16:53, 20 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::There's a lot of stuff like this that needs to be added: how the ancients confused the Niger River with the Nile, adding the Mountains of the Moon, the ancient Greek's fascination not only with the fact this river flowed from the south to the north (the only such river they knew of), but that it flooded in ''summer'', not winter, as did other rivers. I'd happily add these items, but I'm not quite sure how people would react to the resorting of this article these additions would require. -- User:Llywrch 22:15, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::Go for it - sounds like a "The Nile in history" section to me. User:Stan Shebs 06:21, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC) NileRivers of Africa NileUser:ClockworkTroll 05:34, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC) == Ta bu shi da yu == Hi Nile, sorry that I didn't see your comment on my talk page until I ran through it and archived stuff! Yeah, my username does mean "He/She is not a big fish", though it doesn't actually mean anything :-) - User:Ta bu shi da yu 10:05, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) Cool, good to know my Mandarin hasn't fallen apart completely. See you around :-) User:Nile 22:54, 2004 Oct 12 (UTC) NileJe suis le Nile. And I don't really speak French either. And Esperanto tempts me at night, but I have issues with large learning projects. But I'm working with Lernu!. G'night. 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