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A newbie (also spelled noob, newb, or n00b in the leetspeak of internet culture) is a wiktionary:newcomer to a particular field, the term being commonly used on the internet, where it might refer to new users of a game, a newsgroup, the World Wide Web itself, or an operating system. It can be both a disparaging and friendly term, always referring to a neophyte, or someone who behaves as such. The word itself is likely a corruption of ''new boy''; a new arrival in a school and who is, therefore, vulnerable to bullying of various kinds. On Google's Usenet archive, the word first appears in 1988 [http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.sys.mac/browse_thread/thread/f94c1a437ac39f3d/68659de9d2d8e42d?q=newbie&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fhl%3Den%26ie%3DUTF-8%26safe%3Doff%26num%3D10%26q%3Dnewbie%26qt_s%3DSearch+Groups%26as_drrb%3Db%26as_mind%3D1%26as_minm%3D1%26as_miny%3D1987%26as_maxd%3D4%26as_maxm%3D1%26as_maxy%3D1989%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#68659de9d2d8e42d]. The term was used prior to this as slang in the U.S. Military to denote men who had finished technical school and were just arriving to their first permanent assignment. The words ''newbie'' and ''n00b'' are sometimes differentiated. If they are, a newbie is someone who follows all protocols and essentially acts like an established user but still in the process of learning, while a n00b is an obnoxious person who has not even considered that they might be irritating others. A stereotype is that they all type in Internet shorthand, which is sometimes known as "AOLer" or "AOL-speak." There are numerous spelling variations, usually substituting different letters for the vowel sounds and dropping the second syllable (''newb'', ''noob'', ''nub''). Different spellings may carry different connotations within a particular community, but in general the spelling does not affect the meaning. In practice, differences in interpretation tend to depend more on context than on spelling. == Negative connotations== In a group, the term newbie is often used for a new user who asks allegedly dumb questions (typically questions which are clearly answered in a list of rules or FAQ) and whose behavior does not conform to the accepted standards of the community (often to the point of rudeness), to the consternation or amusement of the old hands. Due to their inexperience, these newcomers are sometimes picked on and may not feel welcome. If they are friendly, they tend to learn more and stay; if not friendly, they tend to be "kicked out" or ostracized. In some groups, the term is used by the regulars (sometimes called "regs") against any newcomer, whether the newcomer acts ignorantly or not. In this case, the regulars assert their position using what basically amounts to the Internet equivalent of hazing. Referring to regular members as newbies is often considered to be highly insulting. The implication is that they are behaving as if they do not know the rules when in fact they have had more than sufficient opportunity to learn them. In some Computer_role-playing_games a newbie is anyone who is lower-leveled than the person making the remark, regardless of actual time spent playing the game. (for example, a level 60 player in World of Warcraft may consider a level 30 player a newbie). Some forums and Computer_role-playing_games have banned some of the more common variations ("newb," "noob", "n00b") in an attempt to reduce flame wars. This has led, of course, to more variations. ==Positive connotations == In other communities, newbies are received with extra attention. Some chat rooms, for example, have established rules to ask "oldies" to first answer the newbies' questions or concerns before resuming their ongoing discussions. Other communities do not treat newbies with a significantly elevated status, but do greet most of the friendly newbies with welcomes informing them the methods to get help. In these situations, the term is basically synonymous with ''newcomer'' and is meant with or without affection. The positive interpretation is probably the more recent but has become quite common. The only way to determine the intended connotation is to examine the context. Individuals may refer to themselves as newbies in a self-deprecating manner or in acknowledgment of their newcomer status, which may (or may not) lessen the amount of harassment they receive. This may have negative or a positive connotations, depending on the standards of the community. ==Noob or n00b== A noob, n00b, nub, or über is a newbie who claims to know a lot about a subject, but really does not. They often show off their false skills to gain a reputation. The term is usually meant to be offensive. It was first used in hacker groups on the Bulletin board system chat systems in the 1970s. It is important to note that noob and newb are not necessarily interchangeable. The spelling ''noob'' or ''n00b'', while originally having a specific meaning, is now generally used to refer to all forms of newbies, usually in a joking manner. In a context where ''newbie'' means simply ''new'', ''n00b'' may sometimes be used as the derogatory equivalent. In online gaming, the term is also often used as a general insult. Frustrated players on the losing team may refer to the winning team as noobs. In this case, there is no actual connotation of newness meant, the word is simply being used as an insult. ==Noob Play== Someone who calls others a noob. ==Noob Talk== An underground joke is "Noob talk" or "NOB TAKL". Noob talk is when an individual uses harsh spelling errors and terrible punctuation to insult noobs. A lot of "real" noob talk is found on games such as ''Gunbound'' or ''Ragnarok Online''. An example of this dialect is "ITAM PLEX" (translated into "Items Please"). Noob talk is fairly simple to grasp: one makes numerous spelling mistakes and overuses common Internet abbreviations. It is easy to discern when somebody is jocularly using noob talk if they do things such as add words like ''BBQ'' after ''LOL'' and add ''1111oneone'' after an exclamation mark. Newblicon, nooblicon, and newbsicle are also variations. An example would be: omfgwtfbbq noob! Or a more extended example: ! r0Xx0rz l!k3 4 1337 h4xX0r5 4nd FU n00b ch33k 0u7 /\/\y VV3b 5!t3 l1k3 n0VV 1337133713371337 n00b!! i ! 4M JW 4k4 H0b4r7 t3h 1337 haxX0rz u n00b == Noob as a verb == The verb "noob" means "to own (pwn in some cases) someone like a noob." Noob is not necessarily a derogatory verb, but can be depending on the context. For instance: if person A beats person B to the point where person B looked like a newbie in comparison, person A noobed person B. Anywhere person A could say they owned or beat person B like person B was a noob or newbie, person A noobed person B. It is also possible to hear the verb used in the opposite context. If person A is new to the game or does not play well and beats person B on a lucky chance, then person B may say that they "got noobed", especially if he or she is an excellent player. Noob as a derogatory verb is therefore not be hard to achieve, as it is merely an extension of its noun and adjective counterparts. == See also == *AOL *Chainik *Choob *Luser *Wannabee Internet slang Beginners and newcomers Computer and video game terminology

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Re recent change: ''n00b'' or ''noob'' in leet (1337) -speak, is not the same. I've probably been on the internet longer than you. I say they mean they same but the term was created to be rude towards newcomers either way you look at it or to show your judgement towards a person by referring to them as a newcomer into the internet world (most of this happened in 94 when AOL was supposedly hip and new). Newbie is just more formal and properly spelled. n00b came about mainly because everyone liked leet talk. If you're like me you'll remember that there were progs and bots people could use to transform regular ascii alphabet into the other ascii that looked totally weird. Many progs created leet talk and replaced Os with 0s. N00b is just a fun way of saying noob in leet. Noob was created just like newb but people wanted to branch of and make it more cool. So people split between newb and noob and chose noob mainly because newb related to the formal term newbie. Thus noob came about. However, as the internet changed more and more people found ways to apply these new terms. When someone was a polite newbie people referred to them as a newbie. When someone asked the same question over and over they called them a noob. When someone became annoying and someone felt like acting stupid with leet in reply to them they may have used n00b. By the way if you're not a noob go do stuff in the request section in wikipedia for computer science. Also, noob was created as a shortcut way of newbie. However it's used on the internet in many different ways and the viewpoint towards it changes with each person.--User:Cyberman 05:24, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC) So, how do they differ? --User:Menchi 04:53, Aug 13, 2003 (UTC) : "n00b" for someone who acts experieced in areas dispite little knowledge in those areas, also occasionally "pr013", short for "proletariat". (Various other adjectives abound, these being the most civil of them.) (from Leet). User:Gaurav 13:29, 16 Dec 2003 (UTC) Should this page be put in [http://wiktionary.org/ Wikitionary]?--User:Alsocal Newbie = new bee? Really? A [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&q=newbie+%22new+bee%22&btnG=Search Google search for newbie "new bee"] turns up this page as its first reference. According to the [http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/N/newbie.html the Jargon File], the term originated in talk.bizarre, but no further information is given. Can anyone find a cite for this? --User:Ardonik 10:14, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC) :I came to this article specifically to see the etymology and I have to say it seems extremely strained to me. My guess would have been a corruption of "new boy", but I'm certainly not going to suggest I'm right. Or, ooh! Perhaps I should! [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:5CfUv9pq5NUJ:dictionary.reference.com/search%3Fq%3Dnewbie+newbie+%22new+boy%22&hl=en] [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:kNH9KWwR-i4J:iroi.seu.edu.cn/books/ee_dic/whatis/newbie.htm+newbie+%22new+boy%22&hl=en] [http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cache:JX-x4UjD2OwJ:catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/N/newbie.html+newbie+%22new+boy%22&hl=en] - right, I'm making a change based on those. --User:Bodnotbod 01:56, Jul 27, 2004 (UTC) My understanding has long been that negative uses of the term predate the currently popular warm-and-fuzzy version. I've found some older references to "newbie" in a negative since but the only positive references I've found are fairly recent. I would appreciate any other input on this issue. User:Aranel 21:45, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) This was just added: "A new usage of ''noob'' is appearing in computer games (mostly in First Person Shooters), generally to describe a cheater, a jerk, and quite possibly a person who constantly use one type of weapon (i.e, shotgun n00b)." I removed it, because I'm not sure it's actually ''new'' (actually, I know it's not new). It's just a logical continuation of the standard derogatory meaning of the term. ("Since you appear not to know how to play properly or to succeed without cheating, you must be new.") I was using "newbie" the same way in different contexts at least eight years ago. ("You're behaving like you don't know the rules/conventions - you're new, right?") User:Aranel_(\"User:Aranel/Sarah\")">User:Aranel|User:Aranel (\"User:Aranel/Sarah\") 00:56, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==Contradictions== We need to make it more clear the difference between a newbie/newb and a n00b/noob. The 'Negative connotations' section seems to describe a n00b rather than a newb, i.e., "a new user who asks allegedly "dumb" questions (typically questions which are clearly answered in a list of rules or frequent questions) and whose behavior does not conform to the accepted standards of the community (often to the point of rudeness)." :That's because a noob ''is'' a newbie. The term ''newbie'' originally (I think this is original, anyway) meant almost exactly the same thing that ''noob'' means today in some circles. In many places, a newbie is ''still'' someone who matches the above description, and a lot of folks who recall the older definition are still offended at being called ''newbie''. :Basically, we can't really make a more clear distinction because there ''isn't'' one. A ''noob'' is the same thing as the negative version of ''newbie''. User:Aranel_(\"User:Aranel/Sarah\")">User:Aranel|User:Aranel (\"User:Aranel/Sarah\") 16:47, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) == GAY == ok i got here because of a redirect fron n00b, to find that it explicitly states at the start of the article that this article does not deal with n00bs but rather newbies. GAY User:Wifki 00:10, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC) == Flaming == I'm a newbie myself, got to start by posting somewhere and this seemed like a sensible place. Anyway, you use the word hazing. I was going to suggest the addition of the word flaming as it is frequently used in this context and actually describes the activity you are referring to more accurately. == Removed insertion == This was added after the first paragraph under ''n00b'':
As time goes on, the term "n00b" is receiving a broader definition. It is now commonly used when referring to an especially stupid person regardless of how long they have actually interacted with the game, website, etc.
This is actually true, but it's redundant with information already in the article. (Also, it would be more accurate to say this of the word ''newbie'', as ''n00b'' is a derivative of the former, and the two words are now practically identical in meaning.) -User:Aranel ("Sarah") 22:58, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) == Spelling == I have removed a section claiming that ''newb'' has a specialized meaning. I'm sure that it does have that meaning in the community where the editor who inserted it learned it, but that's not a distinction that is generally made. As far as I have been able to determine (and I've been exposed to a ''lot'' of internet communities), the spelling does not generally make a big difference (or, rather, if you intend it to make a difference, that's fine, but outside of the community where you learned to make that distinction, you cannot it expect to be understood). In current usage, whether you spell it ''newbie'', ''newb'', ''n00b'', etc., it increasingly means about the same thing. (In a couple of years we'll probably have to invent a whole new word if we want to tell the various usages apart!) I do think that there are two broad trends: one meaning that is basically positive and one that is basically negative. However, which spelling is attached to which meaning (or whether both meanings exist in the same place at the same time) is increasingly arbitrary. Within a ''particular community'', ''noob'' might be used almost exclusively in a negative sense and ''newb'' might be self-deprecating, while ''newbie'' is a perfectly polite word for a newcomer. This is not standard. Within another community, all three might be consisted equally insulting, or equally inconsequential. Maybe I'm not articulating this very well. People keep adding sections to this article about how such-and-such variation has such-and-such specific meaning, but I really don't think that's how the word ''in general'' actually works. -User:Aranel ("Sarah") 04:43, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC) == How do people get this wrong == A n00b is a new person anywhere. On a network, chat room, game. It is somebody who asks either dumb questions or acts like they know the answer to one and don't. Being a n00b is a BAD thing. However a newb, or newbie is a new person on a network, chat room, game, etc. that does not ask dumb questions and does not act like they konw all. Being a newb or newbie is not bad. So to sum it up, n00b is derogatory, newbie is either neutral or has a positive connotation to it. Anybody who claims to be on the internet longer then another person goes under the n00b list. As long as one is not cocky and knows what they are talking about, a new person can go without ever being called a n00b or newbie. Time means very little. One can be on the internet for 20 years, as soon as they go into a new chat room, they are a newbie because they do not have name recognition. n00b == bad; newb && newbie == neutral || good; == Internet Slang sucks. == Internet slang sucks. It's another example of babies which need English on the internet. Look out, theres a new word, "STOOGE". Really, I'll kicks the first person that says stooge on the bet.

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