
Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, Order of Merit Order of Canada, (born July 18, 1918) before becoming President of South Africa, was one of its chief anti-apartheid activists, and was also an anti-apartheid saboteur. He is now almost universally considered to be a heroic freedom fighter. He spent his childhood in the Thembu chiefdom before embarking on a career in law. The name Madiba is an honorary title adopted by older male members of Mandela's clan; however, in South Africa the title is synonymous with Nelson Mandela. ==Early life== Nelson Mandela was born in Tembu in the Transkei on 18 July 1918. He then moved to Qunu where he lived until he was 9 years old. His father was Hendry Mphakanyiswa Gadla, chief of Tembu, a tiny village on the banks of the Mbashe River. At the age of seven, Rolihlahla Mandela became the first member of his family to attend school, where he was given the English name "Nelson" by a Methodist teacher. His father died when he was 10, and Nelson attended a Wesleyan mission school next door to the palace of the Regent. Following Xhosa custom he was initiation at age 16, and attended Clarkebury Boarding Institute, learning about Western culture. He completed his Junior Certificate in two years, instead of the usual three. At age 16, in 1934, Mandela moved to the Wesleyan College in Fort Beaufort, which most Thembu royalty attended, and took an interest in boxing and running. After matriculating, he began a Bachelor of Arts at the Fort Hare University, where he met Oliver Tambo, who became a lifelong friend and colleague. At the end of his first year he became involved in a boycott of the Students' Representative Council against the university policies, and was asked to leave Fort Hare. He left for Johannesburg, where he completed his degree at the University of South Africa (UNISA) via correspondence, after which he started with his law studies at Wits University. == Political activity == As a young student, Mandela became involved in political opposition to the white minority government's denial of political, social, and economic rights to South Africa's black majority. Joining the African National Congress in 1942, he founded its more dynamic Youth League two years later together with Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo and others. After the 1948 election victory of the Afrikaner-dominated National Party (South Africa) with its apartheid policy of racial segregation, Mandela was prominent in the ANC's 1952 Defiance Campaign and the 1955 Congress of the People, whose adoption of the Freedom Charter provided the fundamental program of the anti-apartheid cause. During this time Mandela and fellow lawyer Oliver Tambo operated the law firm of Mandela and Tambo, providing free or low-cost legal counsel to many blacks who would have been otherwise entirely without legal representation. Initially committed to non-violent mass struggle he and 150 others were arrested on 5 December 1956 and charged with treason. The marathon Treason Trial of 1956-1961 followed, and all were acquitted. Mandela and his colleagues accepted the case for armed action after the Sharpeville Massacre in March 1960 and the subsequent banning of the ANC and other anti-apartheid groups. == Arrest and imprisonment == In 1961 he became the leader of the ANC's armed wing ''Umkhonto we Sizwe'' ("Spear of the Nation", or MK), which he co-founded. He coordinated a sabotage campaign against military, government and civilian targets and made plans for possible guerrilla war if sabotage failed to end apartheid. He also fundraised for Umkhonto we Sizwe abroad, and arranged for paramilitary training, visiting various Africa governments. On August 5, 1962 he was arrested (possibly after the CIA tipped off the police), after living on the run for seventeen months and was imprisoned in the Johannesburg Fort. Three days later the charges of leading workers to strike in 1961 and leaving the country illegally were read to him during a court appearance. On October 25, 1962, Mandela was sentenced to five years in prison. Two years later on June 11, 1964 a verdict had been reached concerning his previous engagement in the African National Congress. While Mandela was in prison, police arrested prominent ANC leaders on 11 July 1963 at Liliesleaf Farm, Rivonia. Mandela was brought in, and at the Rivonia Trial, Mandela, Ahmed Kathrada, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Andrew Mlangeni, Raymond Mhlaba, Elias Motsoaledi, Walter Mkwayi (escaped during trial), Arthur Goldreich (escaped from prison before trial), Dennis Goldberg and Lionel Bernstein were charged with sabotage and crimes equivalent to treason (but which were easier for the government to prove). Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson and George Bizos were part of the defense team that represented the accused. All except Rusty Bernstein were found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment on 12 June, 1964. Charges included involvement in planning armed action, in particular sabotage (which Mandela admits to) and a conspiracy to help other countries invade South Africa (which Mandela denies). Over the course of the next twenty-six years, Mandela became increasingly associated with opposition to apartheid to the point where the slogan "Free Nelson Mandela" became the rallying cry for all anti-apartheid campaigners around the world. While in prison, Mandela was able to send a statement to the ANC who in turn published it on 10 June, 1980 which said in part:
* Talk:Nelson Mandela/Archive 01 == CIA turned him in == What is the evidence that the CIA turned Mandela in to the South African police in 1962? He doesn't say this in his autobiography. I have seen a source somewhere - will try and find it again. Seem to remember it was a fairly recent discovery, so Mandela wouldn't have known who turned him in when he worked on his autobiography. User:Greenman - May 4, 2005 The source I'm thinking of was in print, but here's an online source:: [http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/cia_tip.html]. User:Greenman - May 4, 2005 -Thanks Greenman - I did actually see that on-line reference but note that the report is dated June 10, 1990 - ie two years BEFORE Mandela wrote The Long Walk To Freedom. Surely if he thought it was correct he'd have mentioned it in his book? Also note that the website you cite is a "political conspiracy research bin" by an author who writes about the "secret world of American Fascisti" and about "CIA mind control operations" - hardly a credible source! That's why I amended the reference to this with the "possibly" but perhaps it should be removed entirely? : I think the 'possibly' qualifies it well enough so that readers will realise it is disputed. I don't think it should be removed entirely. User:Dewet 09:42, 5 May 2005 (UTC) You cannot label person a terrorist only because the CIA and an American vice-president regarded him as one. Who says America sets the standard? As a South African citizen who was oppressed in apartheid South Africa, Nelson Mandela as my hero, a freedom fighter and a revolutionist.User:FediM 14:24, 5 May 2005 (UTC) : Yes, he is all that, I wholeheartedly agree. But he was also part of the terror tactics the ANC did perform. Today, the word terrorist is a loaded term, but essentially it is an applicable label. User:Dewet 16:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC) ::Yes I agree with both FediM and Dewet. It all depends on which side you're on. A freedom fighter to one person is a terrorist to another. I think there should be mention to the fact that Mandela was considered as a terrorist (and still is to the Bush administration) as well as a freedom fighter who trained in terror activities in the Umkhonto we Sizwe training camps --User:Jcw69 17:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :::I don't think the question of NM being a terrorist depends which side you're on. He committed terrorism by objective terms(planting bombs etc). The real (moral) question is if those acts were good or bad. Most of us would say it's good because ostensibly it won freedom for the people of south africa but of course the families of the people killed by Mandelas bombs probably don't agree. As a society and in particularly in the wake of 9/11 we see terrorism in a pejoritive context while simultaneously viewing certain people who have perpetuated it as heros (ex. Mandela, members of the boston tea party). I added NM to the terrorist category and someone has already rm'd it. Whether intentional or not, I think this is an attempt to clean the conscience of history. User:TitaniumDreads 18:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC) *"...it's a very serious analytic error to say, as is commonly done, that terrorism is the weapon of the weak. Like other means of violence, it's primarily a weapon of the strong, overwhelmingly, in fact. It is held to be a weapon of the weak because the strong also control the doctrinal systems and their terror doesn't count as terror". — Noam Chomsky. It is always "them" and not "us" performing the acts of terror. Why? Because "we" feel "our" acts are justified.--User:Silversmith 17:57, 5 May 2005 (UTC) When people say terrorist who comes to mind? For a lot of people it's folks like Osama bin Laden, the Red Army Faction, Yousef Ramzi, Timothy McVeigh and perhaps Black September, but I have never in my entire life been casually talking about terrorism and heard Mandela's name come up. This seems to be a very selective and very arguably inaccurate description of Mandela. I'm not certain of the agenda behind the use of this word, but in teh current atmosphere it seems to me that it does absolutely nothing to clarify his legacy or to illustrate what he stands for. I think it is appropriate to mention that some such as the Bush administration have chosen to make his twilight years as difficult as they can by bringing this label up, but I have trouble imagining that this is not connected with his outspoken opposition to thier policy. Pervez Musharaff in an ally of democracy and Mandela is a terrorist? Mention the controversy but don't use terrorist as an adjective to describe him. User:Gabriel 01:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) == NPOV again == '' \"I am a freedom fighter; you are a guerrilla; he is a terrorist.\" '' Depends upon the viewpoint. Which is the neutral point of view? How do we describe a man such as Nelson Mandela? He fits the definition of each such term, as they have usually been defined. Is a NPOV always possible? User:Too Old 05:22, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC) anyone who would refer to NM as a terrorist in today's loaded use of the term, with its connotations and everything it implies today is clearly an idiot. the bombing of Fallujah was a terrorist act, and the ones that ordered its destruction are terrorists, the ones that rammed two planes into the twin towers are terrorists. the term changes from generation to generation with one spectacular attack that changes the entire meaning of the word. in the 1830s up to the 1860s in the brit empire, the term 'democracy' was hardly used by the establishment, it was a term they abhorred because it implied worker and urban class enfranchizement. two decades later the term becomes widely used by the politikos in the UK and elsewhere. in the 80s, the term 'terrorist' had a different meaning than it does today, the same with the 60s and 70s. it was actually a chic term in most of europe in the 60s and 70s with che's adventures in latin america and africa, as well as the red army fraction and similar groups in europe. NM would love to be included as a fighter alongside che, but hardly with the real terrorists of today osama, cheney and bush. [f. fanon] :The annonymous [f. fanon] seems to have made my point even more forcefully than I did myself. I have done a brief scan of his contributions, (which I assume to be those from IP 65.49.129.68) which are often are involved with the attribution of one person or another as a terrorist. :I especially note the skirmishing regarding Baruch Goldstein. ''fanon'' characterises Goldstein as a terrorist, changing a reference to Jewish Fundamentalism to Jewish terrorism. The Israelis often speak of Palesitian terrorism; the Palestinians often talk of Israeli terrorism. To my mind, both often use tactics designed to create terror, in pursuit of political aims. It is obvious to me that both are terrorized and, in retaliation, use more terrorism. We may see the last Palestinian and the last Israeli die with their hands on each others' throats. :I encourage ''f.fanon'' to come out of the closet. His/her contributions seem valuable to me. User:Too Old 17:13, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC) Too Old: I doubt there will be a single definition satisfying everyone. What ''may'' be the solution is to not use loaded terms such as terrorist or freedom fighter, but instead contextualise it by explaining clearly: "...involved in acts to spread terror..." as an example. User:Dewet 21:38, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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Nelson Rolihlahla Mandela, Order of Merit Order of Canada, (born July 18, 1918) before becoming President of South Africa, was one of its chief anti-apartheid activists, and was also an anti-apartheid saboteur. He is now almost universally considered to be a heroic freedom fighter. He spent his childhood in the Thembu chiefdom before embarking on a career in law. The name Madiba is an honorary title adopted by older male members of Mandela's clan; however, in South Africa the title is synonymous with Nelson Mandela. ==Early life== Nelson Mandela was born in Tembu in the Transkei on 18 July 1918. He then moved to Qunu where he lived until he was 9 years old. His father was Hendry Mphakanyiswa Gadla, chief of Tembu, a tiny village on the banks of the Mbashe River. At the age of seven, Rolihlahla Mandela became the first member of his family to attend school, where he was given the English name "Nelson" by a Methodist teacher. His father died when he was 10, and Nelson attended a Wesleyan mission school next door to the palace of the Regent. Following Xhosa custom he was initiation at age 16, and attended Clarkebury Boarding Institute, learning about Western culture. He completed his Junior Certificate in two years, instead of the usual three. At age 16, in 1934, Mandela moved to the Wesleyan College in Fort Beaufort, which most Thembu royalty attended, and took an interest in boxing and running. After matriculating, he began a Bachelor of Arts at the Fort Hare University, where he met Oliver Tambo, who became a lifelong friend and colleague. At the end of his first year he became involved in a boycott of the Students' Representative Council against the university policies, and was asked to leave Fort Hare. He left for Johannesburg, where he completed his degree at the University of South Africa (UNISA) via correspondence, after which he started with his law studies at Wits University. == Political activity == As a young student, Mandela became involved in political opposition to the white minority government's denial of political, social, and economic rights to South Africa's black majority. Joining the African National Congress in 1942, he founded its more dynamic Youth League two years later together with Walter Sisulu, Oliver Tambo and others. After the 1948 election victory of the Afrikaner-dominated National Party (South Africa) with its apartheid policy of racial segregation, Mandela was prominent in the ANC's 1952 Defiance Campaign and the 1955 Congress of the People, whose adoption of the Freedom Charter provided the fundamental program of the anti-apartheid cause. During this time Mandela and fellow lawyer Oliver Tambo operated the law firm of Mandela and Tambo, providing free or low-cost legal counsel to many blacks who would have been otherwise entirely without legal representation. Initially committed to non-violent mass struggle he and 150 others were arrested on 5 December 1956 and charged with treason. The marathon Treason Trial of 1956-1961 followed, and all were acquitted. Mandela and his colleagues accepted the case for armed action after the Sharpeville Massacre in March 1960 and the subsequent banning of the ANC and other anti-apartheid groups. == Arrest and imprisonment == In 1961 he became the leader of the ANC's armed wing ''Umkhonto we Sizwe'' ("Spear of the Nation", or MK), which he co-founded. He coordinated a sabotage campaign against military, government and civilian targets and made plans for possible guerrilla war if sabotage failed to end apartheid. He also fundraised for Umkhonto we Sizwe abroad, and arranged for paramilitary training, visiting various Africa governments. On August 5, 1962 he was arrested (possibly after the CIA tipped off the police), after living on the run for seventeen months and was imprisoned in the Johannesburg Fort. Three days later the charges of leading workers to strike in 1961 and leaving the country illegally were read to him during a court appearance. On October 25, 1962, Mandela was sentenced to five years in prison. Two years later on June 11, 1964 a verdict had been reached concerning his previous engagement in the African National Congress. While Mandela was in prison, police arrested prominent ANC leaders on 11 July 1963 at Liliesleaf Farm, Rivonia. Mandela was brought in, and at the Rivonia Trial, Mandela, Ahmed Kathrada, Walter Sisulu, Govan Mbeki, Andrew Mlangeni, Raymond Mhlaba, Elias Motsoaledi, Walter Mkwayi (escaped during trial), Arthur Goldreich (escaped from prison before trial), Dennis Goldberg and Lionel Bernstein were charged with sabotage and crimes equivalent to treason (but which were easier for the government to prove). Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson and George Bizos were part of the defense team that represented the accused. All except Rusty Bernstein were found guilty and sentenced to life imprisonment on 12 June, 1964. Charges included involvement in planning armed action, in particular sabotage (which Mandela admits to) and a conspiracy to help other countries invade South Africa (which Mandela denies). Over the course of the next twenty-six years, Mandela became increasingly associated with opposition to apartheid to the point where the slogan "Free Nelson Mandela" became the rallying cry for all anti-apartheid campaigners around the world. While in prison, Mandela was able to send a statement to the ANC who in turn published it on 10 June, 1980 which said in part:
'Unite! Mobilise! Fight on! Between the anvil of united mass action and the hammer of the armed struggle we shall crush apartheid!' [http://www.anc.org.za/ancdocs/history/mandela/64-90/anvil.html]Refusing an offer of conditional release in return for renouncing armed struggle (February 1985), Mandela remained in prison until February 1990, when sustained ANC campaigning and international pressure led to his release on 11 February, on the orders of state president Frederik Willem de Klerk and the ending of the ban on the ANC. He and De Klerk shared the Nobel Peace Prize in 1993. Mandela had already been awarded the Sakharov Prize for Freedom of Thought in 1988. == ANC presidency and presidency of South Africa == As president of the ANC (July 1991 - December 1997) he ran a largely ceremonial and uncompetitive campaign against De Klerk for the new office of President of South Africa. Mandela won, becoming the nation's first black Head of State. De Klerk was appointed deputy president in the Government of National Unity (South Africa). As president, (May 1994 - June 1999), Mandela presided over the transition from minority rule and apartheid, winning international respect for his advocacy of national and international reconciliation. Some radicals were disappointed with the social achievements of his term of office, particularly the government's ineffectiveness in stemming the AIDS crisis. Indeed Mandela himself admitted after he retirement that he may have failed his country by not paying more attention to the AIDS epidemic. He has taken many opportunities since to highlight this South African tragedy. Mandela was also criticized for his close friendship with leaders such as Fidel Castro and Moammar Al Qadhafi, whom he called his "comrades in arms." His decision to South African Invasion of Lesotho (1998) South African troops to defeat the 1998 coup in Lesotho also remains a topic of some controversy. ==Marriages== Mandela has been married three times. His first marriage to Evelyn Ntoko Mase ended in divorce in 1957 after 13 years, and his 38-year marriage to Winnie Mandela ended in separation (April 1992) and divorce (March 1996) fueled by political estrangement. On his 80th birthday he married Graça Machel, widow of Samora Machel, the former Mozambican president and ANC ally killed in an air crash 15 years earlier. ==Retirement== [[Image:AlGoreVPMandla.jpg|frame|Former United States Vice President Al Gore meets with Mandela.]] After his retirement as President in 1999, Mandela went on to become an advocate for a variety of social and human rights organizations. He received many foreign honours, including the Order of St. John from Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom and the Presidential Medal of Freedom from George W. Bush. He became the third of only three persons of non-Indian origin (Mother Teresa in 1980, a naturalized Indian citizen, and Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan in 1987, a non-Indian, being the others) to be awarded the ''Bharat Ratna'', India's highest civilian award, in 1990. As an example of his popular acclaim, in his tour of Canada in 1998, he included a speaking engagement in the Skydome in the city of Toronto where he spoke to 45,000 school children who greeted him with intense adulation. In 2001, he was the first living foreigner to be made an honourary Canadian citizen (the first, Raoul Wallenberg, was posthumously made a Canadian citizen) as well as being one of the few foreign leaders to receive the Order of Canada. In 2003, Mandela attacked the foreign policy of the George W. Bush administration in a number of speeches, going so far as calling Bush a racist for not following the UN and its secretary-general Kofi Annan (who is African) on the issue of the War in Iraq. "Is it because the secretary-general of the United Nations is now a black man? They never did that when secretary-generals were white," Mandela said.[http://kdka.com/topstories/topstories_story_031073341.html] The comments caused a rare momemnt of controversy and criticism for Mandela, even among some supporters. Later that same year, he lent his support to the 46664 AIDS fundraising campaign, named after his prison number. In June 2004 at age 85, Mandela announced that he would be retiring from public life. His health has been declining in recent years and he wants to enjoy time with his family as long as his health allows it. He has made an exception, however, for his commitment to the fight against AIDS. In July 2004 he flew to Bangkok to speak at the XV International AIDS Conference, 2004. His eldest son, Makgatho Mandela, died of AIDS on January 6 2005 [http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/story.asp?section=Breaking&storyId=971337&tw=wn_wire_story] On 23 July, 2004 the city of Johannesburg bestowed its highest honour on Mandela by granting him the freedom of the city at a ceremony in Orlando, Soweto, Soweto. In 2005, Mandela became embroiled in a legal dispute with his former lawyer, Ismail Ayob (South Africa), and others, who were allegedly exploiting his name. Today, Mandela remains a key figure to strong educational organizations that hold his ideals strongly of international understanding and peace, like the United World Colleges and the Round Square. Mandela has also expressed his support for the ONE Campaign, which forms part of the international Make Poverty History movement. == Orders and decorations == * Order of Canada * Order of St. John * Presidential Medal of Freedom * Lenin Peace Prize (1962) * Freedom of the City of Aberdeen (1984) * Félix Houphouët-Boigny Peace Prize (1991) * Order of Merit (1995) * Freedom of the City of Johannesburg (2004) * Amherst College honorary degree (2005) ==Other== In 2003, Mandela's death was List of premature obituaries by CNN when his pre-written obituary (along with those of several other famous figures) was inadvertently published on CNN's web site due to a lapse in password protection. == Courtroom quotes == :''"I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die."'' :''"Why is it that in this courtroom I am facing a white magistrate, confronted by a white prosecutor, escorted by white orderlies? Can anybody honestly and seriously suggest that in this type of atmosphere the scales of justice are evenly balanced? Why is it that no African in the history of this country has ever had the honor of being tried by his own kind, by his own flesh and blood?...I am a black man in a white man's court. This should not be."'' (Finlayson 84). :''"Out of the experience of an extraordinary human disaster that lasted too long, must be born a society of which all humanity will be proud... We have, at last, achieved our political emancipation. We pledge ourselves to liberate all our people from the continuing bondage of poverty, deprivation, suffering, gender, and other discrimination. Never, never, and never again shall it be that this beautiful land will again experience the oppression of one by another... The sun shall never set on so glorious a human achievement."'' == Further reading == * Anthony Sampson; Mandela: the authorized biography; ISBN 0-6797-8178-1 (1999) * Nelson Mandela; Long Walk to Freedom: The Autobiography of Nelson Mandela; Little Brown & Co; ISBN 0-3165-4818-9 (paperback, 1995) ==See also== *List of awards bestowed on Nelson Mandela *List of African writers *List of South Africans - Nelson Mandela voted number one in Top 100 South Africans == External links == * [http://www.anc.org.za/people/mandela.html ANC profile of Mandela] * [http://www.time.com/time/time100/leaders/profile/mandela.html Time 100 profile] * [http://www.dailypast.com/africa/mandela.shtml Nelson Mandela Defiant At Rivonia Trial] 1918 births Lawyers Nobel Peace Prize winners Political prisoners Bharat Ratna recipients Presidents of South Africa Social justice Revolutionaries Members of the Order of Canada South African writers Causes célèbres Civil rights activists Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients bs:Nelson Mandela hi:नेल्सन मंडेला ms:Nelson Mandela simple:Nelson Mandela tpi:Mandela
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* Talk:Nelson Mandela/Archive 01 == CIA turned him in == What is the evidence that the CIA turned Mandela in to the South African police in 1962? He doesn't say this in his autobiography. I have seen a source somewhere - will try and find it again. Seem to remember it was a fairly recent discovery, so Mandela wouldn't have known who turned him in when he worked on his autobiography. User:Greenman - May 4, 2005 The source I'm thinking of was in print, but here's an online source:: [http://alexconstantine.50megs.com/cia_tip.html]. User:Greenman - May 4, 2005 -Thanks Greenman - I did actually see that on-line reference but note that the report is dated June 10, 1990 - ie two years BEFORE Mandela wrote The Long Walk To Freedom. Surely if he thought it was correct he'd have mentioned it in his book? Also note that the website you cite is a "political conspiracy research bin" by an author who writes about the "secret world of American Fascisti" and about "CIA mind control operations" - hardly a credible source! That's why I amended the reference to this with the "possibly" but perhaps it should be removed entirely? : I think the 'possibly' qualifies it well enough so that readers will realise it is disputed. I don't think it should be removed entirely. User:Dewet 09:42, 5 May 2005 (UTC) You cannot label person a terrorist only because the CIA and an American vice-president regarded him as one. Who says America sets the standard? As a South African citizen who was oppressed in apartheid South Africa, Nelson Mandela as my hero, a freedom fighter and a revolutionist.User:FediM 14:24, 5 May 2005 (UTC) : Yes, he is all that, I wholeheartedly agree. But he was also part of the terror tactics the ANC did perform. Today, the word terrorist is a loaded term, but essentially it is an applicable label. User:Dewet 16:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC) ::Yes I agree with both FediM and Dewet. It all depends on which side you're on. A freedom fighter to one person is a terrorist to another. I think there should be mention to the fact that Mandela was considered as a terrorist (and still is to the Bush administration) as well as a freedom fighter who trained in terror activities in the Umkhonto we Sizwe training camps --User:Jcw69 17:11, 5 May 2005 (UTC) :::I don't think the question of NM being a terrorist depends which side you're on. He committed terrorism by objective terms(planting bombs etc). The real (moral) question is if those acts were good or bad. Most of us would say it's good because ostensibly it won freedom for the people of south africa but of course the families of the people killed by Mandelas bombs probably don't agree. As a society and in particularly in the wake of 9/11 we see terrorism in a pejoritive context while simultaneously viewing certain people who have perpetuated it as heros (ex. Mandela, members of the boston tea party). I added NM to the terrorist category and someone has already rm'd it. Whether intentional or not, I think this is an attempt to clean the conscience of history. User:TitaniumDreads 18:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC) *"...it's a very serious analytic error to say, as is commonly done, that terrorism is the weapon of the weak. Like other means of violence, it's primarily a weapon of the strong, overwhelmingly, in fact. It is held to be a weapon of the weak because the strong also control the doctrinal systems and their terror doesn't count as terror". — Noam Chomsky. It is always "them" and not "us" performing the acts of terror. Why? Because "we" feel "our" acts are justified.--User:Silversmith 17:57, 5 May 2005 (UTC) When people say terrorist who comes to mind? For a lot of people it's folks like Osama bin Laden, the Red Army Faction, Yousef Ramzi, Timothy McVeigh and perhaps Black September, but I have never in my entire life been casually talking about terrorism and heard Mandela's name come up. This seems to be a very selective and very arguably inaccurate description of Mandela. I'm not certain of the agenda behind the use of this word, but in teh current atmosphere it seems to me that it does absolutely nothing to clarify his legacy or to illustrate what he stands for. I think it is appropriate to mention that some such as the Bush administration have chosen to make his twilight years as difficult as they can by bringing this label up, but I have trouble imagining that this is not connected with his outspoken opposition to thier policy. Pervez Musharaff in an ally of democracy and Mandela is a terrorist? Mention the controversy but don't use terrorist as an adjective to describe him. User:Gabriel 01:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) == NPOV again == '' \"I am a freedom fighter; you are a guerrilla; he is a terrorist.\" '' Depends upon the viewpoint. Which is the neutral point of view? How do we describe a man such as Nelson Mandela? He fits the definition of each such term, as they have usually been defined. Is a NPOV always possible? User:Too Old 05:22, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC) anyone who would refer to NM as a terrorist in today's loaded use of the term, with its connotations and everything it implies today is clearly an idiot. the bombing of Fallujah was a terrorist act, and the ones that ordered its destruction are terrorists, the ones that rammed two planes into the twin towers are terrorists. the term changes from generation to generation with one spectacular attack that changes the entire meaning of the word. in the 1830s up to the 1860s in the brit empire, the term 'democracy' was hardly used by the establishment, it was a term they abhorred because it implied worker and urban class enfranchizement. two decades later the term becomes widely used by the politikos in the UK and elsewhere. in the 80s, the term 'terrorist' had a different meaning than it does today, the same with the 60s and 70s. it was actually a chic term in most of europe in the 60s and 70s with che's adventures in latin america and africa, as well as the red army fraction and similar groups in europe. NM would love to be included as a fighter alongside che, but hardly with the real terrorists of today osama, cheney and bush. [f. fanon] :The annonymous [f. fanon] seems to have made my point even more forcefully than I did myself. I have done a brief scan of his contributions, (which I assume to be those from IP 65.49.129.68) which are often are involved with the attribution of one person or another as a terrorist. :I especially note the skirmishing regarding Baruch Goldstein. ''fanon'' characterises Goldstein as a terrorist, changing a reference to Jewish Fundamentalism to Jewish terrorism. The Israelis often speak of Palesitian terrorism; the Palestinians often talk of Israeli terrorism. To my mind, both often use tactics designed to create terror, in pursuit of political aims. It is obvious to me that both are terrorized and, in retaliation, use more terrorism. We may see the last Palestinian and the last Israeli die with their hands on each others' throats. :I encourage ''f.fanon'' to come out of the closet. His/her contributions seem valuable to me. User:Too Old 17:13, 2005 Jun 12 (UTC) Too Old: I doubt there will be a single definition satisfying everyone. What ''may'' be the solution is to not use loaded terms such as terrorist or freedom fighter, but instead contextualise it by explaining clearly: "...involved in acts to spread terror..." as an example. User:Dewet 21:38, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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