Nazi Germany

[[Image:Flag_Germany_1933.png|thumb|Flag of Nazi Germany—the swastika symbol is dominant]] Nazi Germany, or the Third Reich, commonly refers to Germany in the years 1933–1945, when it was under the firm control of the Totalitarianism ideology of the Nazi Party, with the ''F�hrer'' Adolf Hitler as dictatorship. The ''Third Reich'' is an Anglicize of the German language expression ''Drittes Reich,'' and is used as a near-synonym for Nazi Germany, that refers to the government and its agencies rather than the land and its people. The term was first used in 1922, as the title of a book, by conservative writer Arthur Moeller van den Bruck. It was adopted by Nazi propaganda, which counted the Holy Roman Empire as the first ''Reich,'' the 1871–1918 German Empire the second, and its own regime as the third. This was done in order to suggest a return to alleged former German glory after the perceived failure of the 1919 Weimar Republic. The disorder and poverty caused by the Great Depression and fear of Communism allowed the Nazis to gain power. The Third Reich was sometimes also referred to as the "Thousand Year Reich," as it was intended by its founder to stand for one thousand years — similar to the Holy Roman Empire. The Nazi Party attempted to combine traditional symbols of Germany with Nazi Party symbols in an effort to reinforce the perception of them as being one and the same. Thus the Nazi Party used the terms "Third Reich" and "Thousand Year Reich" to connect the allegedly glorious past to its supposedly glorious future. Initially Hitler's plans seemed to be well on their way to fruition. At its height, the Third Reich controlled the greater part of Europe. However, due to the defeat by the Allied powers in World War II, the Thousand Year Reich in fact lasted only 12 years (from 1933 through to 1945). There is evidence that Hitler himself disliked the term "Drittes Reich", because of its suggestion that his new order stood in a subordinate position to its predecessors, but a copy of Moeller's book was found in the Berlin bunker where both Hitler and his Reich came to their violent end. During their 12-year rule, the Nazis sent massive armies throughout almost all of continental Europe (with the exception of Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Sweden, Portugal, Andorra and the land near the Ural Mountains). As part of this, the Nazis endorsed the idea of a Greater Germany with Berlin renamed Welthauptstadt Germania as its capital, and integration of all people of supposed herrenrasse. This policy manifested itself in the systematic extermination of 11 million people of racial minority (Jews, Gypsies) and other social outcasts (communists, homosexuals), as well as tens of millions of others as a direct or indirect result of combat. == Chronology of events == * Weimar Republic (includes the events leading to Hitler's appointment as Chancellor of Germany in 1933) * Gleichschaltung (for the legal measures taken by the Nazis to establish their dictatorship) * World War II (with a focus on military events) * Axis Powers ==Pre-War Politics 1933-1939== [[Image:BerlinNaziEra.jpg|thumb|250px|Berlin during the Nazi era.]] On January 30, 1933, Hitler was appointed chancellor by President Paul von Hindenburg after attempts by General Kurt von Schleicher to form a viable government failed and under heavy pressure from former Chancellor Franz von Papen. Even though the Nazi Party had gained the largest share of the popular vote in the two Reichstag (institution) general elections of 1932, they had no majority in parliament. ===Consolidation of power=== The new government installed dictatorship in a series of measures in quick succession (''Gleichschaltung'' for details). On February 27, 1933 Hermann G�ring orchestrated the Reichstag fire, which was followed immediately with the Reichstag Fire Decree, which rescinded Habeas corpus, and other protective laws. Further consolidation of power was achieved on January 30, 1934, with the ''Gesetz �ber den Neuaufbau des Reichs'' (act to rebuild the Reich). The act changed the highly decentralized federal Germany of the Weimar era into a centralized state. It disbanded state parliaments, transferred sovereign rights of the states to the Reich central government and put the state administrations under the control of the Reich administration. At the death of president Hindenburg on August 2, 1934, the Nazi controlled Reichstag merged the offices of ''Reichspr�sident'' and ''Reichskanzler'' and reinstalled Hitler with the new title ''F�hrer und Reichskanzler''. Only the army remained independent from Nazi control, and the quasi-militant Nazi military organisation Sturmabteilung expected top positions in the new power structure. Wanting to preserve good relations with the army Hitler, on the night of June 30, 1934, initiated what is known as the Night of the Long Knives, which was a purge of the leadership ranks of the SA as well as other political enemies, carried out by another, more elitist, Nazi organisation, the SS. Shortly thereafter the army leaders swore their obedience to Hitler. The institution of the Gestapo, police to act outside of any civil authority, highlighted the Nazi's intention to hold powerful means of directly controlling German society. Soon, mirroring Stalin's terror in the Soviet Union, an estimated army of about 100,000 spies and infiltrants operated throughout Germany, reporting to Nazi officials the activities of any critics or dissenters. Most ordinary Germans, happy with the improving economy and better standard of living remained obedient and quiet, but many political opponents, especially communists and socialists, were reported by omnipresent eavesdropping spies, and put in prison camps where they were severely mistreated, and many tortured and killed. Estimates of political victims range in dozens of thousands dead and disappeared in the first few years of Nazi rule. :''For political opposition during this period, see German resistance movement.'' ===Social policy=== The Nazi regime was characterized by political control of every aspect of society in a quest for racial (Aryan, Nordic), social and cultural purity. Modern abstract art and avant-garde was thrown out of museums, and put on special displays of ''"Degenerate art"'' where it was ridiculed. However, the crowds attending these displays of "decadent art" frequently eclipsed those attending officially sanctioned displays. In one notable example on March 31, 1937, huge crowds stood in line to view a special display of "degenerate art" in Munich while a concurrently running exhibition of 900 works personally approved by Adolf Hitler attracted a tiny, unenthusiastic gathering. The Nazi Party pursued its aims through persecution and killing of those considered impure, especially against targeted minority groups such as Jews, Roma (people), Jehovah's Witnesses and the Holocaust, and homosexuals. By the Nuremberg Laws passed in 1935, Jews were stripped of their German citizenship and denied government employment. Most Jews employed by Germans lost their jobs at this time, their jobs being taken by unemployed Germans. On November 9, 1938, the Nazi party incited a pogrom against Jewish businesses called the ''Kristallnacht'' ("Crystal Night" = Night of Broken Glass); the euphemism was used because the numerous broken windows made the streets look as if covered with crystal. By September 1939, more than 200,000 Jews had left Germany, with the Nazi government seizing any property they left behind. The Nazis also undertook programs targeting "weak" or "unfit" members of their own population as well, such as the T-4 Euthanasia Program which killed off tens of thousands of disabled and sickly Germans in an effort to "maintain the purity of the German Master race" (German: ''Herrenvolk'') as described by Nazi propaganda. The techniques of mass-killing developed in these efforts would later be used in the Holocaust. Under a law passed in 1933, the Nazi regime carried out the compulsory sterilization of over 400,000 individuals labeled as having hereditary defects, ranging from mental illness to alcoholism. :''See Racial policy of Nazi Germany (history of discrimination policies)'' ===Economic Policy=== [[Image:20 Deutschmark note 3rd Reich.jpg|right|thumb|250px|The Reichsmark gained significant value under the Third Reich]] The economic management of the state was first given to respected banker Hjalmar Schacht. Under his guidance, a new economic policy to elevate the nation was drafted, limiting imports of consumer goods and focusing on producing exports. Massive loans and credits were issued by the Reichsbank to industries and the individuals who ran them. The German economy was later transferred to the leadership of Hermann G�ring when, on October 18, 1936, the German Reichstag announced the formation of a Four year plan to shift the German economy towards a war production base. The four year plan technically expired in 1940, but by this time Hermann G�ring had built up a power base in the "Office of the Four Year Plan" which effectively controlled all German economic and production matters. Under the leadership of Fritz Todt a massive public works project was started, rivaling the New Deal in both size and scope; its most notable achievement was the Autobahn. Once the war started, the massive organization that Todt founded was used in building bunkers, underground facilities and entrenchments all over Europe. Another part of the new German economy was massive rearmament with the goal being to expand the 100,000-strong German Army into a force of millions. == World War II == :''See: Military history of Germany during World War II'' In 1939 Germany's actions led to the outbreak of World War II in Europe. Poland, France, Denmark, Norway, Belgium and the Netherlands were invaded. Initially, the United Kingdom could do little to come to the rescue of its European allies and Germany subjected Britain to heavy bombing during the Battle of Britain. After invading Greece and North Africa, Germany invaded the Soviet Union in 1941. It declared war on the United States in December of 1941 after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. The persecution of minorities continued both in Germany and the occupied areas. From 1941 Jews were required to wear a yellow star in public, and most were transferred to Ghettos, where they remained isolated from the rest of the population. In January 1942, at the Wannsee conference under the supervision of Reinhard Heydrich, a plan for the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question" (''Endl�sung der Judenfrage'') in Europe was hatched. From then until the end of the war some 6 million Jews and many others, including homosexuals, Slavs and political prisoners, were systematically killed and more than 10 million people were put into slavery. This genocide is called the Holocaust in English language and the ''Shoah'' in Hebrew language. (The Nazis used the euphemism German language term ''Endl�sung''—"final solution".) Thousands were shipped daily to extermination camps (''Vernichtungslager'', sometimes called "death factories") and concentration camps (''Konzentrationslager'', abbrev. ''KZ''), some of which were originally detention centers but later converted into mass-murder factories, or had death camps added to their facilities, for the purpose of killing of their inmates. Parallel to the Holocaust the Nazis conducted a ruthless program of conquest, colonization and exploitation over the captured Soviet Union and Polish territories and their Slavs populations as part of their ''Generalplan Ost''. According to estimates, 20 million Soviet civilians, 3 million non-Jewish Poles, and 7 million Red Army soldiers died under the Nazi maltreatment in what the Russians call the Great Patriotic War. The Nazis' plan was to extend German ''lebensraum'' ("living space") eastward, but their public pretext for launching the war in Eastern Europe was "to defend Western Civilization against Bolshevism". After losing the Battle of Stalingrad in 1943 and the Battle of Normandy in 1944, the regime started to disintegrate quickly, losing ground to the Western Allies in the west and south and the Red Army in the east. By spring 1945 the Allies had invaded Germany proper. On April 30, 1945, as Berlin was being taken by Soviet forces, Hitler committed suicide. On May 4–May 8, 1945, the German armed forces surrendered unconditionally. This was the end of World War II in Europe and, with the creation of the Allied Control Council on June 5, 1945, the four Allied powers "assume[d] supreme authority with respect to Germany" (Declaration Regarding the Defeat of Germany, US Department of State, Treaties and Other International Acts Series, No. 1520). == Aftermath == The winning allies first split Germany into occupation zones. At the Potsdam Conference German borders within the Soviet occupation zone were moved westward, with most territory given to Poland while about half of East Prussia was annexed by the Soviet Union. The German exodus from Eastern Europe, which was initiated by the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, was after the war completed when virtually all German people in Central Europe had been "resettled" to west of the Oder-Neisse line, with up to about 10 million ethnic Germans affected. The French, US and British occupation zones later became West Germany, while the Soviet zone became the Communism East Germany. West Germany recovered economically by the 1960s being called the economic miracle (German term ''Wirtschaftswunder'') due to economic aid by the United States of America (Marshall Plan), while the East recovered at a slower pace under Communism until 1990 due to reparation paid to the Soviet Union and the effects of the centrally planned economy. After the war, surviving Nazi leaders were put on trial by the Allied tribunal at Nuremberg Trials for crimes against humanity. Although a minority were sentenced to death and executed, most were released by the mid-1950s on account of health and old age. Many continued to live well into the 1970s and 1980s. In all non-fascist European countries legal purges were established to punish the members of the former Nazi and Fascist parties. An uncontrolled punishment hit the Nazi children and those fathered by German soldiers in occupied territories, including the "Lebensborn" children. :''See Nuremberg Trials'' == Organization of the Third Reich == The leaders of Nazi Germany created a large number of different organizations for the purpose of helping them in staying in power. They rearmed and strengthened the military, set up an extensive state security apparatus and created their own personal party army, the ''Waffen SS''. Through a bureaucratic staffing of most government positions with Nazi Party members, by 1935 the German federal government and the Nazi Party had become virtually one and the same. By 1938, through the policy of ''Gleichschaltung'', local and state governments lost all legislative power and answered administratively to Nazi party leaders, known as Gauleiters. The organization of the Nazi state, as of 1944, was as follows: ===Head of State and Chief Executive === * F�hrer und Reichskanzler (Adolf Hitler) === Cabinet and Federal authorities === * Office of the Reich Chancellery (Hans Lammers) * Office of the Party Chancellery (Martin Bormann) * Office of the Presidial Chancellery (Otto Meissner) * Privy Cabinet Council (Konstantin von Neurath) === Reich Offices === * Office of the Four Year Plan (Hermann G�ring) * Office of the Reich Master Forester (Hermann G�ring) * Office of the Inspector for Highways * Office of the President of the Reich Bank * Reich Youth Office * Reich Treasury Office * General Inspector of the Reich Capitol * Office of the Councillor for the Capitol of the Movement (Munich, Bavaria) === Reich Ministries === * Reich Foreign Ministry (Joachim von Ribbentrop) * Reich Interior Ministry (Wilhelm Frick, Heinrich Himmler) * Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda (Joseph Goebbels) * Reich Ministry of Aviation (Hermann G�ring) * Reich Ministry of Finance (Lutz Schwerin von Krosigk) * Reich Ministry of Justice (Franz Schlegelberger) * Reich Economics Ministry (Walther Funk) * Reich Ministry for Nutrition and Agriculture (Walther Darre) * Reich Labor Ministry (Franz Seldte) * Reich Ministry for Science, Education, and Public Instruction (Bernhard Rust) * Reich Ministry for Ecclesiastical Affairs (Hanns Kerrl) * Reich Transportation Ministry (Julius Dorpm�ller) * Reich Postal Ministry (Wilhelm Ohnesorge) * Reich Ministry for Weapons, Munitions, and Armament (Fritz Todt, Albert Speer) * Reich Ministers without Portfolio (Konstantin von Neurath, Hans Frank, Hjalmar Schacht, Artur Seyss-Inquart) === Occupation authorities === * Reich Ministry for the Occupied Eastern Territories (Alfred Rosenberg) * General Government of Poland (Hans Frank) * Reich Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (Konstantin von Neurath) ** Deputy Reich Protector of Bohemia and Moravia (Reinhard Heydrich) * Office of the Military Governor of France === Legislative Branch === * Reichstag ** Speaker of the Reichstag (Hermann G�ring) * Reichsrat (disbanded February 14, 1934) === Military === (''Wehrmacht'' — Armed Forces) * ''Oberkommando der Wehrmacht'' (OKW) — Armed Forces High Command * ''Oberkommando des Heeres'' (OKH) — Army High Command * ''Oberkommando der Marine'' (OKM) — Navy High Command * ''Oberkommando der Luftwaffe'' (OKL) — Airforce High Command * ''Heer'' — Army * ''Luftwaffe'' — Airforce ** ''Reichsluftschutzbund'' — Nazi Party Airforce Auxiliary Reserve * ''Kriegsmarine'' — Navy * ''Abwehr'' — Military Intelligence === Nazi party paramilitary ranks === * ''Sturmabteilung'' (SA) * ''Schutzstaffel'' (SS) ** ''Allgemeine SS'' ** ''Waffen SS'' ** ''Germanic SS * ''Deutscher Volkssturm'' * ''National Socialist Motor Corps'' (NSKK) * ''National Socialist Flyers Corps'' (NSFK) === State police === Reich Central Security Office (''RSHA — Reichssicherheitshauptamt'') * Regular Police (''Ordnungspolizei'' (''Orpo'')) ** ''Schutzpolizei'' (Safety Police) ** ''Gendarmerie'' (Rural Police) ** ''Gemeindepolizei'' (Local Police) * Security Police (''Sicherheitspolizei'' (''Sipo'')) ** ''Geheime Staatspolizei'' (''Gestapo'') ** ''Kriminalpolizei'' (''Kripo'') ** ''Sicherheitsdienst'' (SD) === Political organizations === * Nazi Party — Nazism German Workers Party (abbreviated NSDAP) * Youth organisations ** Hitler Youth — Hitler-youth (for boys and young men) ** ''Bund Deutscher M�del'' (for girls and young women) ** ''Deutsches Jungvolk'' (for very young boys and girls ages 6-8) === Labour organizations === * ''German Labour Front'' ** ''Reichsarbeitsdienst'' ** ''Kraft durch Freude'' * ''Organisation Todt'' ** ''Transport Korps Speer'' === Service organizations === * ''Deutsche Reichsbahn'' (State Railway) * ''Reichspost'' (State Postal Service) * ''Deutsches Rotes Kreuz'' (German Red Cross) === Religious organisations === * German Christians * Protestant Reich Church === Academic organizations === * National Socialist German University Teachers League * National Socialist German Students League == Prominent persons in Nazi Germany == For a listing of Hitlers cabinet see : Members_of_Hitler%27s_cabinet === Nazi Party and List of Nazi Party leaders and officials === * Adolf Hitler — ''F�hrer'' * Hermann G�ring — ''Reichsmarshall'' and Minister-President of Prussia. Air Minister. * Rudolf Hess — the ''F�hrer's'' Deputy. * Joseph Goebbels — Minister of Propaganda * Heinrich Himmler — Head of the SS * Albert Speer — First Architect, Minister for Armament from 1942 * Martin Bormann — Head of the Nazi Party * Joachim von Ribbentrop — Foreign Minister * Alfred Rosenberg — ''Reichsleiter'' * Walter Funk — Minister of Industries * Wilhelm Frick — Minister of the Interior * Hans Lammers — Head of the Reich Chancellery * Otto Meissner — Head of the Chancellery * Hjalmar Schacht — Minister, President of the ''Reichsbank'' * Konstantin von Neurath — Head of the Secret Cabinet. * Fritz Todt — Inspector-General for Roads * Hans Frank — Minister, Head of the German Law Academy * Robert Ley — Leader of the German Labor Front * Baldur von Schirach — Leader of Nazi Youth Organisations * Arthur Sey�-Inquart — ''Reichsstatthalter'' in Austria, Commissioner for the Occupied Netherlands * Franz Guertner — Minister of Justice * Karl Brandt * Alois Brunner * Hanns Kerrl — Minister for Ecclesiastical * Otto Dietrich — Secretary of State, Reich Chief of the Press * Karl Hanke — Secretary of State, Propaganda Ministry * Bernhard Rust — Minister of Education * Franz Seldte — Minister of Labor * Konstantin Hierl — Head of the Labour Service * Hans von Tschammer und Osten — Secretary of State and Reich Sports Leader * Gertrud Scholtz-Klink — Reich Leader of Women * Ernst Wilhelm Bohle — Secretary of State, Head of the Foreign Organization * Viktor Lutze Chief of Staff of the SA * Roland Freisler * Hans Fritzsche * Ernst R�hm * Karl Otto Koch * Herbert Lange * Arthur Axmann * Alfred Meyer * Erich Priebke * Fritz Sauckel * Carl Schmitt * Julius Streicher * Josef Terboven === SS personnel === * See: List of SS Personnel === Military === * Karl D�nitz-Commander of the German U-Boat force, later the German Navy * Erwin Rommel * Wilhelm Keitel * Claus von Stauffenberg * Wilhelm Canaris * Alfred Jodl * Erich Raeder * Robert Ritter von Greim === Other === * Gottfried Benn * Eva Braun * Wernher von Braun * Houston Stewart Chamberlain * Anton Drexler * Gottfried Feder * Friedrich Flick * Theodor Fritsch * Arthur de Gobineau * Hans Friedrich Karl G�nther (not to be confused with Hans G�nther) * Karl Harrer * Willibald Hentschel * Alfred Hoche * Armin D. Lehmann * Lanz von Liebenfels * Guido von List * Karl Lueger * Alfred Ploetz * Ferdinand Porsche * John Rabe * Geli Raubal * Leni Riefenstahl * Johannes Stark * Rudolf von Sebottendorf * Richard Sorge * Walter Thiel * Richard Wagner * Winifred Wagner * Konrad Zuse === Noted victims === * Bruno Bettelheim * Dietrich Bonhoeffer * Georg Elser * Anne Frank * Primo Levi * Janusz Korczak * Erich M�hsam * Carl von Ossietzky * White Rose (Sophie and Hans Scholl and others) * Bruno Schulz * Ernst Th�lmann === Noted refugees === * Albert Bassermann * Johannes R. Becher * Rudolf Belling * Walter Benjamin * Bertolt Brecht * Marlene Dietrich * Albert Einstein * Lion Feuchtwanger * Sigmund Freud * Kurt G�del * Walter Gropius * Friedrich Hayek * Heinrich Eduard Jacob * Theodor Kramer * Fritz Lang * Thomas Mann * Ludwig von Mises * Anna Seghers === Noted survivors === * Eugen Kogon * Martin Niem�ller * Kurt Schumacher * Franz von Papen * Roman Polanski * Elie Wiesel * Arnulf �verland == Related Articles == * History of Germany * Weimar Republic * Glossary of the Third Reich * Songs of the Third Reich * Awards and Decorations of Nazi Germany * Nazism * Consequences of German Nazism * Nazi architecture * Anschluss * Union of Poles in Germany == External links == * [http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=31 Axis History Factbook — Third Reich] * [http://www.third-reich-books.com/x-568-the-reich-government.htm The Reich Government] * [http://g0lem.net/PhpWiki/index.php/HitlersObsession Hitler's Obsession to Expel the Jews] == Reference== # ''The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich'' by William L. Shirer. ISBN 0671728687 # ''The Encyclopedia of the Third Reich'' by Christian Zenter and Friedemann Bedurftig. (1985 by Sudwest Verlag GmbH & co. KG, Munich) # ''The Coming of the Third Reich'' by Richard J. Evans. ISBN 0141009756 # ''A Social History of the Third Reich'' by Richard Grunberger. ISBN 0140136754 German history Anti-Semitism Nazi Germany Holocaust fa:آلمان نازی vi:Đức Quốc X�

Nazi Germany

==focus== This article should focus more on the 1930’s and Nazi domestic policy during the WWII. --User:GeneralPatton 21:48, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC) :I strongly agree User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 22:15, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC) ::I suggest starting with the chapters on the end of the Weinmar Republic and Gleichschaltung. The previous form of the article was plainly wrong, it focused 80% on world war II military history, and the rest where just links, but the links ought to be integrated with the text and chapters expanded with “see alsos” linking to articles that further elaborate on the topics. --User:GeneralPatton 23:05, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC) :::This article should primarily deal with the political history of the Nazi regime, the German military history of WWII being dealt on a page of its own. Most of the Gleichschaltung article should also be moved here.--User:GeneralPatton 08:53, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC) And here's something for understanding the economy, another important chapter left out. [http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazis_and_the_german_economy.htm] [http://www2.sjsu.edu/faculty/watkins/german1.htm] --User:GeneralPatton 12:00, 12 Jun 2004 (UTC) ==civilian deaths== 2004-01-09: "This persecution reached a peak in the last years of the regime, in which some 6 million Jews, *10 million Slavs*, and sundry others, were systematically killed. This genocide is referred to as the Holocaust..." The article about the holocaust talks about "3.5–6 million Slavic civilians". Quite a difference. Someone with more expertise should try to clarify this... ---- There where far more than 10 million civilian casualties in the former Soviet Union (Slavs), the number is actually around 20 million, that died from starvation, disease, and maltreatment. Combine that with about 10 million deaths in the Red Army, and you get to the staggering number of about 30 million dead, the reason why the WW2 is still quite remembered there. --User:GeneralPatton 05:31, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC) there is however no full documented proof that " 6 milion Jews" were killed. It is purely a propganda tool to shock the public & breed sympathy for the eternal whinging wandering Jew/Zionist movement, and it has been successful for 60 years. :Now ''that'' is holocaust denial. Contrast the above w what I said down @ Talk:Nazi_Germany#National_Socialism ;) 08:39, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==linguistics== Notes by LA2: While holocaust as a phenomenon is certainly associated with Nazi Germany, this particular term is not a German word. On the other hand, there are other German non-Nazi words that are used in English language, and it could be worth while to explain them. Should this be done from a separate page? I'm thinking of :angst (anxiety, feeling of despair) and :schadenfreude (the joy over the failure of others). Then we have classes of :loan words from other languages like :ombudsman (a proxy official, from Swedish), and :smorgasbord (an all-you-can-eat buffet of mostly cold dishes, also from Swedish). By SoniC: I don't know if it makes sense to try and tell where all those different words came from. I mean, half of all English words are derived from Latin, French, even from Chinese (ketchup, for example) or Indian (shampoo, AFAIK). This is a science in and by itself. Maybe someone with far to much time on their hands can do such a page in the Linguistics section, but if you start something like that, you will end up having a complete dictionnary. I propose to use this particular page for terms that are really related to Nazi Germany, i.e. terms you will find when reading reports, literature or whatever about the Third Reich. These can be German terms now also used in English or other terms used in the Nazi context. ---- But :Wikipedia is not a dictionary. It isn't a style guide, it isn't a collection of foreign borrowings, etc., etc. It is an ''encyclopedia.'' Of course, very many words borrowed from foreign languages are also names of topics about which enyclopedias might well want to have articles--e.g., :schadenfreude might include not just a definition of the term but what some psychologists have to say about it (I don't know what psychologists do have to say about it, if anything, though). --:LMS ---- 2002-04-29: For the record, that page exists: List of German expressions in common English. I have added a link. I have also taken out * U-Boot -- (Unterseeboot) the infamous German submarines (Note that this word has been used since before World War I to the present day to refer to all submarines -- it has no unique connection to the Nazis. It is also unclear why German submarines are more "infamous" than the American submarines that were far more successful -- ie, deadly) -- User:Djmutex ==england declared war? eastern armies?== Note two things: In the East there are mentioned Red army and Polish army, which, because i am Pole, suits me well, but there wer also other armies in the east, although much much smaller. Second, i thought that it was England who declared war on Germany, not the opposite? user:szopen :Currently it sounds like Germany suddenly attacked a range of countries including France and Britain. In reality Germany attacked only Poland, which then led to war declarations by Britain and France towards Germany (and interestingly enough NOT towards the Soviet Union though it also violated the Polish independence guarantee). Especially in case of Britain it is very doubtful that Hitler had ever originally planed to attack it, so the Battle of Britain was most probably triggered by the British war declaration itself. One can also argue that The French and British war declaration was the most important step to move a regionally confined conflict towards a world war. : user:217.255.124.138, 09:36, 2004 Dec 28 ::It's self-evident that non-involvement, non-commitment, or indirect support in the form of appeasement from Chamberlain would have been to prefer for the Third Reich. That doesn't change the facts that their policy aimed at a radical revision of the Versailles peace; a policy that already at the time of the declarations of War had put an end to the independence of Austria and Czechoslovakia, and through the Molotow-Ribbentrop Pact was about to make all of the six remaining border states either German or Soviet acquisitions. The power balance shifting thusly could not be expected to be passively noted by the Western Powers. Ultimately, it threatened them. --User:Ruhrjung 08:53, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC) ==english spelling== Note to whomever corrected the spelling of "organisation" to "organization", both British and American spellings are acceptable on Wikipedia. Gratutitous edits to change from one to the other are unnecessary, unless the spelling changes in an annoying manner within the one article --user:Robert Merkel ==wwII history== This should be an important article, but it has ended up being a brief history of World War 2, much of it not even about German involvement (e.g. North Africa). Shouldn't the pre-war years get at least as much space? User:DJ Clayworth 14:16, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC) :Sure why not write it up? I just saw ''Germany declared war on the United Kingdom'' and thought I must correct it aspart of a consise history of the War without missing anything important. It ended up being longer than I expected and I know it unbalances the article. With regard to North Africa, I thought it important to explain what the Germans were doing there in the first place. It is important because North Africa and Greece ended up taking resources and time from the invasion of the USSR and also allowed for the Invasion of Sicily and Italy. BTW I think there should be a merge between this article and Third Reich User:Mintguy 14:26, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC) : Love to, but it will have to wait behind the dozens of other things I'd like to do. Maybe sometime. User:DJ Clayworth 14:31, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC) ==Panzer tanks== Panzer is just the German work for tank (armour) and is still used today. I don't think it is particularly associated with Nazis. User:DJ Clayworth 14:23, 5 Sep 2003 (UTC) ==Book of Odin== Removed Book of Odin reference and Norway Adam and Eve. Did Google search on "Book of Odin" AND "Nazi" and got nothing. Need references.User:Ark30inf 04:53, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC) ==Pre-WWII history== Dear ohh dear. This article needs some serious work on pre-WWII. I've just remove a couple of recently contributed paragraphs that contained some classic ill-informed nonsense that Duffy would have blown his top at. I'm going to put this in Bad Jokes etc.. e.g. :''Hitler "reannexxed" Austria in ?1938? in a military action he called "Liberstruam"(Living Room in german).Although it was essentially without any fatalities, it was in clear violation of the Versialle Treaty and Austrian right to self determination. England and the U.S.A. decided to negotiate with and finally appease Hitler through a English diplomat named Neville Chamberland.'' :: Unfortunately I don't have time to sort this out myself right now.User:Mintguy 09:16, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC) ==Wilhelm Grimm== Wilhelm Grimm must be a mistake of some sort, as he died well before the NSDAP even existed. User:Kent Wang 11:05, 5 Mar 2004 (UTC) ==OLD TALK From Third Reich== ---- "Third empire"?? Shouldn't we delete this? F�hrer, dictator, Reichskanzler yes, but Emperor? --User:KF 23:40 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC) "Third Reich" is the usual way of referring to it in English, and yes, ''Reich'' does mean ''empire'' in one sense, but the article isn't referring to Hitler as an emperor. The word has some implications about referring to "the state", anyway -- even the communists called the East German Railways the ''Deutsche Reichsbahn''. -- User:Arwel Parry 23:47 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC) :I'm not quite sure I understand what you're getting at. ''Empire'' is ''Kaiserreich'', not just any ''Reich''. --User:KF 23:56 Apr 30, 2003 (UTC) :: In German, ''Reich'' has more connotations than a territory being ruled by an Emperor. It has a strong mythological background and is really not translatable to English; the Reich page therefore correctly mentions that the term is used in the German Lord's prayer (and throughout the Bible also) in a very transcendental meaning. See my new entry on Holy Roman Empire also. It is exactly this fuzzy warm feeling that the Nazis exploited with the creation of the expression ''Drittes Reich''. -- User:Djmutex 2003-04-30 :::What are you both talking about here? I've never doubted any of it (except maybe the statement that it was the Nazis who created the term ''Third Reich''). All I'm wondering about is why anyone would want to translate ''Third Reich'' with "third empire". I'd just delete the latter -- ''ersatzlos''. --User:KF 00:12 May 1, 2003 (UTC) ::::Done. :-) I wasn't quite aware that we agreed. User:Djmutex 2003-05-01 Is the German Eagle useful ? User:Ericd 18:32, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC) :I think it would be useful with a caption indicating that it was an attempt to symbolize unification of Germany and Nazi Party. Just sitting there by itself it looks a little propaganda-ish. User:Ark30inf 18:38, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC) :::This is propaganda-ish. Have a look at Wolfram's contributions. User:Ericd 18:43, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC) ::::Yuk. I see what you mean. I think the image can be saved if it is put in the proper context of a propagandistic image by associated text. Its an attempt to merge traditional German concepts together with Nazi Party concepts and to associate the two, which is a concept touched on briefly in the article. It might also be moved farther down in the text to de-emphasize it if this is done.User:Ark30inf 18:52, 28 Sep 2003 (UTC) ---- ''Sources made available after the collapse of the Soviet Union reveals the Kremlin strategy to provoke Europe's capitalist powers into war against each other to facilitate Communist revolutions by their war-ravaged proletarians. '' :I'd like to see sources for this statement and exactly how the Soviet Union provoked (or planned to provoke) the western powers into going into war. If nothing is forthcoming I'll remove it. User:Mintguy User talk: Mintguy 10:15, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC) == Term "Third Reich" == There was no "Third Reich" de jure, the Weimar Republic's constitution from 1919 was valid until end of war 1945 (Well, mostly.) But the official name of the state was always "Deutsches Reich". "Third Reich" was invented by author Arthur Moeller van der Bruck in his book "Das Dritte Reich" in 1923. However, the term was officially banned since 1939. Third paragraph should make clear "Third Reich" was just a nickname. :: Some references: :: Name of Reich: Wilhelm I of Germany: ...the North German Confederation (1867-1871) was transformed into the German Empire ("Deutsches Reich", 1871-1945)... ::Reich: ...Later, Deutsches Reich was the official name of Germany from 1871 to 1945... :: About van der Bruck, there are many references: Encyclop�dia britannica: German cultural critic whose book Das Dritte Reich (1923; “The Third Empire,” or “Reich”) provided Nazi Germany with its dramatic name. [http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=54500&hook=225031#225031.hook], [http://www.dhm.de/lemo/html/biografien/MoellerBruckArthur/], [http://www.yhteishyva.net/index.cfm?doc=1489] :: Term "Das Dritte Reich" was banned "Im Juli1939 verbot das Propagandaministerium die weitere Verwendung des Begriffes "Drittes Reich" [http://www.shoa.de/das_dritte_reich.html] also [http://www.flaggenlexikon.de/fdtlhi3r.htm] :: User:Mikko Paananen 17:23, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC) === Third Reich translated as Third Empire === Although the German word Reich definitely can be translated as empire, in ''some'' contexts that is, in this case it is outright wrong. Hitler's Thousand Years Reich may well have become an empire, if the Anglo-Saxons had continued their passivity, but it seems as Churchill and Pearl Harbor put an end to that prospect. In this context, the word ''Reich'' is rather the antonym of ''republic'' in ''Weimar Republic.'' User:Sam Spade's revert of my correction on this point seems highly surprising, unless it reveals an innsufficient grasp of the German language — although it may of course be me, who is lacking in my English. The removal, at the same time, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nazi_Germany&diff=8888776&oldid=8886596] of the qualification ''[...] the National Socialist German Workers' Party, [...] that however by most Europeans is held to have been ''Socialist'' by name only.'' May be accidental, or not, but the issue is sufficiently explained at the Socialism page. --User:Ruhrjung 15:21, 2004 Dec 28 (UTC) :See Talk:Nazi Germany#Socialist in name only. The socialism in name only bit is unacceptable. As far as the empire distinction, I find it questionable, but will trust your judgement if you insist, and no one else steps in. 15:37, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::Fun that you trust me! I think you can do that quite confidentially also with respect to how Europeans view the degree of Socialism within NSDAP. Please note that I did word it carefully, considering both Talk:Nazi Germany#Socialist in name only and Nazism#Nazism and socialism. --User:Ruhrjung 19:56, Jan 8, 2005 (UTC) I have read that academics view 'reich' usage nearly approximates that of realm in english. However I think it is a specific german word without an exact equivalent - user:max rspct 01.39 2nd Jan 2004 (UTC) == Socialist in name only == This is POV. The reader can decide for themselves what they want to define as socialism, its a subjective term with a flexable definition. The Nazi's called themselves socialist, and thats a counter opinion, enough to give it a neutral stance in this article. Please keep your opinions in thye talk pages, and out of the article name space. User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 02:50, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC) :No, no, the Nazi most definitely didn't call themselves Socialists but ''National Socialists,'' which they considered to be quite something else than Communism and Social Democracy (which is what generally is understood by the term ''Socialism).'' The idea that the Nazis were or are somehow Socialist is a misunderstanding. There must be limits to Wikipedia's reluctance to differentiate truths and facts from misconceptions and propaganda. --User:Johan Magnus 10:55, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Your 1/2 right (almost exactly ;) :::''No, no, the Nazi most definitely didn't call themselves Socialists but ''National Socialists,'' which they considered to be quite something else than Communism and Social Democracy'' ::That is correct. :::''(which is what generally is understood by the term ''Socialism).'' The idea that the Nazis were or are somehow Socialist is a misunderstanding. There must be limits to Wikipedia's reluctance to differentiate truths and facts from misconceptions and propaganda.'' ::That is not correct. The limits are based on ''facts'', cite's, and verifiable expert sources, not editorial POV. User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 15:49, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::There has been rather extensive debates on other talk pages on this issue. I wonder if maybe Sam Spade was a participant also of this debates, and if he could sumarize those?
--User:Ruhrjung 18:58, 2004 Nov 6 (UTC) ::::My summary is that commies are rude and sassy, and more interested in hearing their own rhetoric and high-fiving one another than intellegibly discussing the particulars. Oh, and communists/socialists think "communism" or "socialism" never happened, and yet we should keep trying, no matter how many people die (apparently all the dying and human rights abuses are due to capitalists). Anarchism somehow gets tied in as well, I'm not sure how or why, but maybe thats the cause of the police states communists are so fond of? As far as proof of Nazi's being socialist, I can provide a bit of that (I happen to like proof, myself). Chip chip cheerio, User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 20:35, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) BTW, I'm fine w pointing out that Hitler opposed Social democracy, which is completely different from totalitarianism. User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 20:37, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) Hitler didn't just oppose social democracy, he opposed socialism and supported capitalism. Sam, we've had this debate before and you always lose only to pop up a few months later in another article pushing the same ignorant POV. In future, please try to learn about the topic you are writing about. User:AndyL 22:16, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) The debate over whether National Socialism was really "socialism" is much ado about nothing. Basically, "socialism" has moved into the public domain (much like "shredded wheat[http://www.rinkworks.com/words/eponyms.shtml]" for example) and can be used by anyone to describe their product. The Socialist International doesn't hold a copyright on it, so it isn't a proprietary name that is strictly controlled in its use. The important fact is that Nazism was a form of collectivism (see my other posts) and is different from other collectivist ideologies only in superficial ways. User:PaulHanson 21:51, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC) "The important fact is that Nazism was a form of collectivism (see my other posts) and is different from other collectivist ideologies only in superficial ways" Except that Nazism WASN'T a form of collectivism. Not in the least. See AG Farben, the Fricks and other industrialists who made a killing (literally and figuratively)User:AndyL 16:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Except that it ''was'', see Talk:Nazi_Germany#National_Labour_Law_of_January_20.2C_1934. Cheers, 17:06, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) === facts === Dr. Goebbels said, "Germany is a republican Fuhrer-state". He also said, "Besides, I pay homage to the French Revolution for all the possiblities fo life and development that it brought the people. In that sense one could say, if you like, that I am a democrat." Nazism is called the "Brown Creed". (brown refering to the brownshirt SA, the working class) Hitler said, the Third Reich was a "people's republic"; (eine volkische Republik). :...which demonstrates a lack of understanding for the concept of ''V�lkisch movement.''
--User:Ruhrjung 08:39, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC) Hitler said, "I am not only the conqueror but also the executor of Marxism--of that part that is essential and justified, stripped of its Jewish Talmudic dogma.". He also said, "This revolution of ours is the exact counterpart of the French Revolution." ::And Dr. Goebbels was known for a) telling the truth? b) being a propagandist? User:AndyL 16:51, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::False dichotomy, Goebbels ''is'' known for producing Nazi ideology, and is arguably the best source of such. 17:12, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::::Not a "false dichotomy" at all. Goebbels is also "known" for being a professional liar, thus any claims he makes, particularly public cliams about the goals of Nazism, are unreliable. User:AndyL 17:14, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::::Care to cite that POV? Not that it matters, this whole Goebbels track is a red herring. 18:39, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::::Goebbels "producing" Nazi-''ideology'' — give us a break — what about Adolf Hitler and Alfred Rosenberg? In our days' language usage, Goebbels was a spin doctor rather than an ideologue.
--User:Ruhrjung 08:53, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC) ===National Labour Law of January 20, 1934=== [http://www.thecorner.org/hists/total/n-german.htm#econ-reorganize] "National Labour Law of January 20, 1934, the state would exert direct influence and control over all business employing more than twenty persons. In other words, both employers and employees were put under the control of the government." Large public works projects, 100% employment, these sorts of things are socialist. User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 20:57, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC) *I think the key thing to note is that the Nazis did not agree with the philosophy or political theory of Marx, or the German Democratic Socialist Workers Party. Defining "socialist" as "large public works projects" is not a useful definition (what country is NOT socialist, then?) and is not what people generally mean by socialist. I think a proper handling of this question would be to say that the name is a deliberate plagiarism of the Marxist party in Germany, and that the Nazis differed very greatly in their philosophy and political theory than the Marxists, ''even though'' many of their ultimate political outcomes look very similar to, say, the Leninists (anti-democratic state, state control of many resources of production, single-party rule, etc.). They are only "socialist" in the vaguest, most general sense, and it seems quite clear, Sam, that the main reason you are insisting on not providing any sort of distinction between them and Marxist versions of socialism is that you are fond of lumping "left-wing" socialism in the same category as fascism. Whether that is a valid judgment or not, it certainly would be more useful for the reader to note that there are some distinctions, and I think perhaps to give a little history of the name which indicates that it is not identical to Marxist socialism (which is what is generally meant by "socialism" in my familiarity with the term, not just a vague sense of state control, a usage only used by pundits), and is more in tune with the spirit of Wikipedia NPOV policies. --User:Fastfission 15:51, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Scroll up and see ::"''BTW, I'm fine w pointing out that Hitler opposed Social democracy, which is completely different from totalitarianism.''" :Alot of the rest of what you are saying is either wrong, or not relevant, but I would be ok with you presenting information on how Marxism or Social democracy were repugnant to Nazi's. User:Sam Spade http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Sam_Spade&action=edit§ion=new Spade 16:03, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Hmm. Your seemingly refusal to address his points is interesting, though largely irrelevant - We should at least put that some people believe that Hitler was not a socialist, perhaps without stating the view as fact until this dispute is sorted out? User:Comrade Tassadar 21:47, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::You can add that many contemporary socialists don't think he's a socialist w/o my objecting, anything more than that and you'll need a cite. As far as whatever else Fastfission alluded to, discuss it in my talk page or something, its off topic here. I'd say my summary was sufficient . User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004 23:25, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC) Corporativism is not the same as Socialism.
--User:Ruhrjung 08:35, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC) === National Socialism === Nowhere at the beginning of the article does it mention that "National Socialism" wasn't really socialism ala Soviet Union or Utopian Communism, but something COMPLETLY different. It leaves the reader with the impression that Hitler was a socialist (or, Hitler was a communist!) when, in truth, he was not. Perhaps it should be clarified? User:Comrade Tassadar 22:49, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Perhaps not. See Talk:Nazi_Germany#facts. User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004 22:46, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Nazis not socialist? Well read this [http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/3/4/Degrelle441-468.html], sounds pretty socialist to me. User:GeneralPatton 16:37, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::What's the deal with posting a link to a Holocaust revisionism website? This is pretty inappropriate and in awful taste, much less casting a bit of doubt on your ability to be NPOV, in my opinion. --User:Fastfission 20:50, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::I just wanted to illustrate that Nazis DID in fact view themselves as socialists. User:GeneralPatton 03:27, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) Historical revisionism must be a part of any neutral discussion of past events. Your comments make it clear that NPOV has no place in your conception of a "tasteful" encyclopedia article. User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004 :I'm hoping you've just misinterpretted what has been said here and are not actually arguing that "evidence" from a Holocaust denial website to support the notion that the Nazis were "socialist" makes sense. The first thing a historian does is consult the reputation/veracity of their sources, you know. Why don't you spend a few minutes thinking about whether or not you agree with me on this one before replying with another smartass comment. --User:Fastfission 00:04, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::I believe in compiling information from a variety of sources, AND consulting the veracity of the sources. What I don't do is buy into the "everybody of POV X is evil, so we'll label them as revisionist and ignore them". Also, who better than a nazi to give info on Nazi economics? Have you seen my Talk:Nazi_Germany#facts I've already compiled? User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004 09:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::Did you ''look'' at the site in question? The main page of it says "Welcome to the World's largest website for Historical Revisionism!" The point about sources stands no matter what: if the source isn't trustworthy, ''find another''. If it is so clear that the Nazis thought of themselves as socialist then ''it should be present in mainstream historical literature''. There is no grand conspiracy here, Spade, except in the eyes of those with the worst of intentions. You are showing yourself to be a grade-A jackass. And yes, I've seen the "facts", i.e. that Hitler called himself Volkisch, as if that is a significant fact in this debate (if you'd like to get into the ramifications of National Socialist reactionary modernism, we could, but what we're really talking here are layman's understandings of typical economic terms). If those are your ideas of compelling historical facts, I'm going to have to say that, as a historian, I'm not impressed. --User:Fastfission 00:42, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::::Some extreme left-wing writers have worked tirelessly since 1945 to detach National Socialism from Socialism and instead, with ulterior political motives, attach it compleatley to the right-wing. These same left-wingers ignored Stalin’s Gulags and Mao’s death camps until the late 1970’s; again, because of politics. However, many historians have put the record straight and managed to show that National Socialism is in fact a sub branch of Totalitarian Socialism just like Stalinism or Maoism is. User:GeneralPatton 15:08, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Well, Degrelle, who always stayed a Nazi said here “It is a fact that the newly rich classes emerging from the industrial revolution had enormously abused their privileges and it was for this reason that the National Socialists were socialists.” So it shows Nazis did in fact view themselves as socialists. In fact, Nazis were populist socialists in their domestic politics, at least when it came to ethnic Germans. User:GeneralPatton 03:26, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::But the Nazis opposed socialism. How can you be a socialist if you are against socialism? :::They opposed communism, communism is not the same as socialism. Its just a sub branch. In the same way Soviet communists opposed the Western European Social Democrats, and the communist Chinese denounced the Soviet communists.User:GeneralPatton 16:04, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) No, they opposed any form of workers control of the economy whether democratic socialism, social democracy or Communism, they opposed trade union rights and all facets of socialism. They just misappropriated the term as a means of appealing to the working class but, in practice, the Nazis were entirely for capitalism and were bankrolled by industrialists and major capitalists as a bulwark against socialism. User:AndyL 22:33, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) ::"Historical revisionism must be a part of any neutral discussion of past events. Your comments make it clear that NPOV has no place in your conception of a "tasteful" encyclopedia article. User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004" Why do you keep using the euphemism "historical revisionism" instead of holocaust denial? And no, a neutral discussion would reject holocaust denial out of hand. Do you also believe that those who believe the universe revolves around the earth must be party of any neutral discussion on astronomy?User:AndyL 22:30, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) :Maybe because I'm not using a euphemism, and am actually talking about Historical revisionism? Holocaust denial would suggest denial of the holocaust, not an interpretation of nazi political practices as Totalitarian socialism. 17:00, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) === I'm just going to jump right into this... === ...and stick my nose where it may not belong. The following are my thoughts, which I offer with the hope that they can clear up the debate over "socialism." 1) Socialism generally defines a hodgepodge of ideologies that can seem to be radically different from one another, however 2) All forms of socialism are based on a collectivist ideology. 3) These ideologies can favor differing groups, such as "workers," a "master race," or whatever the stated purpose is. Economic planning, abrogation of private property, conscription, and quite a few other things are clear examples of subjecting the individual to the state or the "greater good." Whatever this state claims to advocate, and whose "greater good" is in question, are only cosmetic differences. Aside from the damage done by association with National Socialism, there is no reason why this brand of socialism should be set apart from any other. User:PaulHanson 16:52, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :I thank you for your wise and agreeable statements. While I understand the motivation of Socialists who wish to distance themselves from unpopular variations of their ideology, the category is incredibly broad and inclusive. IMO Nazism was significant among other totalitarian socialisms in its economic successes (until its impatience for territorial expansion undid it), and relative religious tolerance (compared to Communist states). Mass killings seem to be pretty standard in authoritarian states, and don't strike me as being so unique to Nazism as popular culture makes them out to be. People are often horrible, and I sympathize with Germans who feel they have been particularly maligned, while human rights abuses came long before Nazism, and continue to this day. In conclusion, we can learn from their mistakes without soiling the "good name" of socialism, and most importantly, while maintaining perspective. User:Sam_Spade_User_talk:Sam_Spade_Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2004">User:Sam Spade|User:Sam Spade User talk:Sam Spade Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2004 17:37, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::Indeed, under Mao and Stalin, millions of people were either killed in Gulags/Camps off or deliberately starved into death. Even in smaller states like Cambodia, the Marxist Khmer Rouge deliberately killed a few million people, same thing went on in North Korea, communist Vietnam,... Just like the Jews, all these other people were also killed because they were called the "enemies of the people/revolution/ideology/proletariat,...". User:GeneralPatton 18:38, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Great points Paul, it’s a really precise assessment. User:GeneralPatton 18:34, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :An interesting assesment, though one I must disagree with. First off, you at first define "socialist" as a "collectivist ideololgy" favouring possibly different groups. However if we use this definition, every nation in the world is socialist for with nationalism comes a sort of collectivism that favours the people within the nation. You could go into any nation and find favoured groups, and thus we find this is a too broad definition of socialism. Next, you go on to define socialism as the state subjegating the individual. Again, with this definition many many nations in the world are socialist including the US. Your specific examples of "economic planning, abrogation of private property, conscription" have too occured in many nations around the world including the United States especially during wartime. I think you have the correct idea, but the specifics I believe are flawed. With this definition in hand, I could classify anyone and anything as socialist. User:Comrade Tassadar 19:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC) Comrade: Addressing the points you mentioned: 1) I agree 2) I agree 3) I almost agree. User:PaulHanson 05:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC) === Socialist in name only 2 === please read the talk page. This has been discussed ad infinitum. 15:40, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Yes, and is perfectly clear and correct with the current wording. Leaving that out, and Wikipedia propagates ''one'' political view that is neither mainstream nor considered correct. As far as I understand, this is ''exactly'' what Wikipedia should ''not'' do. --User:Johan Magnus 17:04, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) Failing to provide the reader w uncited nonsense does a disservice to no one, other than perhaps yourself. Cite your sources, buck-o. 17:16, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) :Any history book, any memoires, this is not in any way a contested issue — on this side of the Atlantic, at least. It's possible that you, if you search carefully, can find some dissertations covering even this axiomatic issue.
--User:Ruhrjung 08:22, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC) :You know, Nazis are commonly refered as socialists by many of people I know (and at least equal people refers to them as rightist, but that's not important). I am not sure if "most europeans" will correctly reflect the reality. User:Szopen 08:01, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::You traitor! ;-)) If the ignorance is harboured already on the other side of Oder, how can we expect the Americans to learn?
--User:Ruhrjung 08:24, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC) ==Communist East Germany== The article currently states: :West Germany recovered by the 1960s, but East was not so lucky; it had to endure communist oppression until 1990. The phrase "endure communist oppression" is rather editorial. Anyone got a good idea for replacing it with something more neutral and in keeping with an encyclopedia? User:MatthewWilcox 15:28, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) :They felt they were being oppressed. Is that not enough? User:N328KF User talk:N328KF 16:02, 2004 Nov 18 (UTC) ::No. If a person in the US feels as if they are being oppressed, does that give them permission to go around Wikipedia editing articles that make the US look like an evil totalitarian state? Wikipedia should strive to be neutral, and while it should offer viewpoints, it shouldn't push them. User:Comrade Tassadar 22:51, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::So according to you DDR communists were not oppressive? FBI is as oppressive as Stasi was? User:GeneralPatton 16:39, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::::Nice try, but no. My personal belief is that the DDR was an oppressive dictatorship. However, labelling a nation as an "oppressive dictatorship" doesn't quite fit in with the Wikipedia policy of NPOV, now does it? If we allow it for DDR, we must allow it for all nations (including the US), and I'm sure that many here would have difficulties with that. It is, in my opinion, NPOV to put that SOME think that the East was oppressive (which is true, without taking sides on the issue). User:Comrade Tassadar 02:33, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::::Well according to that reasoning, even Nazi Germany wasn't oppressive. So go ahead, change the article according to that. In fact DDR was based on Soviet style oppression that was as bad or even worse than the one in Nazi Germany. Millions died in gulags and because of Stalinist oppression. In Nazi German it was more of an ethnic thing, although also fueled by ideology. User:GeneralPatton 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::::::Yes, *I* don't dispute this either, however I just think we should refrain from emotionally charged comments presented as fact in an encyclopedia of any sort. Even "It is commonly accepted that X nation is totalitarian" is much better than "X nation is an evil dictatorship!", wouldn't you agree? User:Comrade Tassadar 18:02, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ==Most Political Scientists think JFK is a Jelly Donut...== Care to cite that? I'm done reverting for today, but tomorrow, tomorrow, is only... a d-a-y a-w-a-y... 18:03, 6 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Evil Web Vandal== A web vandal apparently got a hold of my password and posted some pretty nasty messages then proceeded to attack my user page. Looks like they were blocked. Anyone know how to change a Wikipedia password? In any event, the article was restored. -User:Husnock 05:47, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Reichstag Fire == Present discription should be rewritten. There's a distinct lack of evidence as too whether or not the Nazi's lit it. And there's no consensus among the historical community whether or not they're guilty of this crime or not. And I'm talking about serious Historians, not the idiot Holocaust deniers. --User:203.17.44.84 08:10, 1 May 2005 (UTC) : This is a common Wikipedia problem. A briefer text here must somehow summarize the more throughout and more npov-ish text of a more specific article. : I admit my relative ignorance, but I do so far interpret the text in the article specifically on the Reichstag fire to indicate Goering's involvement to be most likely. : I hope you can find a shorter wording! : --User:Johan Magnus 10:13, 1 May 2005 (UTC) :: I just had a read of the Reichstag fire page and it doesn't seem to pass judgement (it refers to Halder implicating Goering, but also to a historian who argued against it). :: How does, "It is unclear whether the Nazi party was involved in the fire, but they undoubtedly took advantage of it"? :: --User:210.8.216.82 01:33, 2 May 2005 (UTC) :::That has too much of a revisionist sound to it. I would suggest something like: ''It's commonly held...'' or ''Goering is reported to have...'' The Reichstag fire article then does the closer examination. :::--User:Ruhrjung 18:43, May 2, 2005 (UTC) == Nazi Germany#Other == User:Punkmorten, why did you remove Schindler and Wallenberg from the list?--User:AI 14:32, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Words begining with Nazi_Germany:

Nazi-Germany
Nazi_Germany
Nazi_Germany
Nazi_Germany
Nazi_germany
Nazi_Germany/Organisations
Nazi_Germany/Racial_Policy
Nazi_Germany/Related_Terms
Nazi_Germany_officials
Nazi_Germany_stub_articles