Melbourne

:''Alternate meanings: Melbourne (disambiguation)'' Melbourne is the capital and largest city of the state of Victoria (Australia), and the second largest city in Australia, with a population of 3,488,750 in the Melbourne metropolitan area (census 2001 ^{[http://www.melbourne.vic.gov.au/info.cfm?top=91&pg=862]}) and 52,117 in the City of Melbourne (which covers only the central city area). The city's name is pronounced "MEL-buhn", International Phonetic Alphabet for English: . The city's motto is "''Vires acquirit eundo''" which means "we gather strength as we go". Melbourne was the capital city of Australia from 1901 until 1927. Melbourne has twice ranked first in a survey by ''The Economist'' of ''The World's Most Livable Cities'' on the basis of its cultural attributes, climate, cost of living, and social conditions, once in 2002 ^{[http://www.investincostarica.com/news/economist.htm]}, and again in 2004. The US's Utne Reader puts it thus: "Add a long tradition of civic pride, communities of new immigrants from around the world, and the best food in Australia, and you have a recipe for what many claim is the hippest city in the Southern Hemisphere" (Nov/Dec 2001). Melbourne has undergone a major urban 'revival', such that it is sometimes classed as being in a second tier of "world city"; the World city#GaWC Inventory of World Cities in the UK ranks Melbourne, on the basis of relative availability of specialised "advanced services" as a "minor world city" comparable to cities such as Vancouver, Osaka, and Prague. It has one of the highest numbers of international students studying in its universities, after London, New York, and Paris. Heraldry">Image:MelbourneCoatOfArms.jpg|thumb|right|The City of Melbourne's Heraldry ==Geography== Melbourne is located in the south-eastern corner of mainland Australia, and is the southernmost mainland capital city. It looks out on to Port Phillip, its suburbs sprawling to the east, following the Yarra River out to the Yarra Ranges and Dandenong Ranges, south-east to the mouth of the bay, and following the Maribyrnong River and its tributaries west and north to flat farming country. The central business district (the original city) is laid out in the famous mile-by-half-a-mile Melbourne central business district, its southern edge fronting on to the Yarra. Melbourne is a large Commerce and Industry centre, with many of Australia's largest companies, and many multinational corporations (approximately one-third of the 100 largest multinationals operating in Australia as of 2002) headquartered there. It is home to Australia's largest seaport, seven University (the University of Melbourne, Monash University, Deakin University, Victoria University of Technology, La Trobe University, RMIT University, and Swinburne University of Technology), and much of Australia's Automaker (including the engine manufacturing facility of Holden, and the Ford Motor Company and Toyota manufacturing facilities) amongst many other manufacturing industries. ==Government== There is no overall governing body for the Melbourne metropolitan area. There is a directly elected Lord Mayor of Melbourne and an elected Melbourne City Council, but these are responsible only for the City of Melbourne, which takes in the central business area and a few adjoining inner suburbs. The Lord Mayor, however, is frequently treated as a representative of the whole city. The rest of the metropolitan area is divided into 30 municipalities, all of which are styled as cities except for five on the city's outer fringes which are styled as shires (see a list of these at Local Government Areas of Victoria). These municipalities all have elected councils and are responsible for a range of functions delegated to them by the Victorian state government. These include planning, rubbish collection, beaches, parks and gardens, child-care and preschool facilities, local festivals and cultural activities, services to the elderly, supervision of public health, sanitation and similar matters. Councils levy rates from their residents to pay for these services. The councils are collectively represented by the Local Government Association of Victoria. Most citywide government activities are controlled by the state government. These include public transport, main roads, traffic control, policing, education above preschool level, and planning of major infrastructure projects. Because three quarters of Victoria's population lives in Melbourne, state governments have traditionally been reluctant to allow the development of citywide governmental bodies, which would tend to rival the state government. For this reason the Melbourne and Metropolitan Board of Works, which had become a powerful semi-autonomous authority, was abolished in 1992. ==History== ''Main article:'' History of Melbourne Melbourne was founded on 10 May 1835 by a group of free settlers led by John Batman and John Pascoe Fawkner, unlike some of Australia's capital cities which were founded as Penal colony (Adelaide and Perth, Western Australia are other notable exceptions). With the discovery of gold in central Victoria in the 1850s, leading to the Victorian gold rush, Melbourne quickly grew as a port to service the necessary trade. During the 1880s, Melbourne was the second largest city in the British Empire, and came to be known as "Marvellous Melbourne". Melbourne today is home to the largest number of surviving Victorian Era buildings of any city in the world other than London. Melbourne became Australia's List of historical national capitals at Federation of Australia on 1 January 1901. The first Federal Australian Parliament was opened on 9 May 1901 in the Royal Exhibition Building. The seat of government and the national capital remained in Melbourne until 9 May 1927 when the provisional Old Parliament House was opened in the new capital city of Canberra. Melbourne continued to expand steadily throughout the first half of the 20th century, particularly with the post-World War II influx of Immigration and the prestige of hosting the 1956 Summer Olympics in 1956. This was the first time the Olympic Games had ever been held in the Southern Hemisphere (the only other time was when Sydney hosted the Games in 2000). Throughout the 1990s, the Victorian state government of Premiers of Victoria Jeff Kennett (Liberal Party of Australia) began a campaign with aggressive development of new public buildings (such as the Crown Casino, the Melbourne Museum, and the Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre) and publicising Melbourne's merits both to outsiders and Melburnians. This has continued under the government of current Premier Steve Bracks (Australian Labor Party). Melbourne is split into various Local Government Areas each with their own Councils. One of these is the City of Melbourne - covering the central business district. The City's current List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Melbourne is John So, who was inaugurated in 2001, after the first direct election of a Lord Mayor for the city. Melbourne is built on the land of the Kulin nation, the original Australian Aborigines inhabitants of the area. ''See also: Timeline of Melbourne history.''
==Culture and sport== While having a large and vibrant arts and Culture life (notably including the yearly Melbourne International Comedy Festival and Melbourne International Film Festival), Melbourne is perhaps best known as one of the most sports-obsessed cities in the world. Melbourne is home to nine of the sixteen teams in the Australian Football League, whose five Melbourne games per week attract an average 35,000 people per game. Melbourne hosts the Australian Open tennis, one of the four Grand Slam in tennis tournaments; the Melbourne Cup - the most prestigious handicap Horse-racing in the world; the hugely popular 'Boxing Day' cricket Test cricket held each year from 26-30 December at the Melbourne Cricket Ground (a massive arena that can hold up to 100,000 spectators); the Australian Grand Prix Formula One championship. Melbourne Storm, who play in the National Rugby League are based at Olympic Park. In 2003 it also co-hosted the Rugby Union World Cup, including many pool matches as well as a quarter final - all of which were played at the Telstra Dome. Melbourne has also broken new ground in the major events industry being the first city outside the United States to host the World Police and Fire Games 1995), and the President's Cup golf tournament (1999); and the first city in the Southern Hemisphere to host the World Cup Polo Championship (2001). The newest major sporting event to be brought to the city will be the 2006 Commonwealth Games. Melbourne is the home of Australian Ballet Company, and the second home of Opera Australia. The Melbourne Symphony Orchestra is well-regarded. It was also (arguably) birthplace of Western art in Australia through the Heidelberg School; the National Gallery of Victoria has Australia's best collection of visual art, particularly early Australian western-tradition art. Several professional theatre companies operate in Melbourne, of which the Melbourne Theatre Company is the best institutionally-supported, and there is a wide range of smaller companies (though the scene is smaller than Sydney's). Melbourne's rock and pop music scene is regarded (particularly by Melburnians) as the liveliest in the country, and has fostered many internationally renowned artists and musicians, with links to AC/DC, Nick Cave, Crowded House, John Farnham, Graeme Bell and Kylie Minogue. ==Transport== [[Image:hitxtrapfss.jpg|thumb|300px|Trains awaiting departure at Flinders Street Station, taken from Mark Bau's [http://www.victorianrailways.net/ Victorian Railways] site.]] Melbourne's public transportation network was government-run until the late 1990s. Today, the city's tram and train networks are run by two private operators—Yarra Trams and Connex—along with many dozens of bus companies under a Franchise agreement from the State Government. The system as a whole is currently being rebranded as 'Metlink'. The outer north-western suburb of Tullamarine hosts Melbourne's Melbourne Airport, from which most commercial flights into and out of Melbourne operate. A secondary airport is located at Avalon Airport, to the south-west between Melbourne and Geelong, Victoria. A cut-price airline, Qantas subsidiary Jetstar, has recently commenced using Avalon for its flights to Sydney and Brisbane. Melbourne's first major airport, Essendon Airport, is no longer used for scheduled international or domestic flights. Airbase RAAF Point Cook, where the Australian Air Force originated, is located near the city's southwestern limits. The Port of Melbourne is Australia's largest container and general cargo port. Regular shipping lines operate to around 300 cities around the world and 3200 ships visit the port each year. The Port of Melbourne is located in the inner west of Melbourne, near the junction of the Maribyrnong River and Yarra River rivers. ===Main articles=== *Railways in Melbourne, List of Melbourne railway stations *Trams in Melbourne, List of Melbourne tram routes *List of Melbourne bus routes *List of Melbourne highways *List of Melbourne freeways == Landmarks and tourist information == Melbourne attracts large numbers of Tourism, particularly young backpacking (urban). It also hosts a disproportionately large number of spectator sports. Popular sites and events include: * The Melbourne Cricket Ground, known as "the MCG" or simply "the G". From April to September, there are typically one or two Australian rules football matches there per week; the game can be spectacular, it is unique to Australia, relatively inexpensive to attend, and is safe and enjoyable for all, including children. It has also hosted two Bledisloe Cup rugby matches. During the summer, cricket matches are played there - the most important being the Boxing Day test match between Christmas and New Year's Eve, and several one-day international games in January and February which are perhaps more enjoyable for the casual spectator. The MCG is currently being renovated in preparation for the 2006 Commonwealth Games and will have a maximum capacity of 103,000. * The Melbourne Observation Deck located in the Rialto Towers, some 237 metres above the city streets, offers spectacular views of the CBD and beyond. * Melbourne Park, home of the Australian Open tennis tournament, one of the four Grand Slam in tennis tournaments (held in January each year). * The Melbourne Exhibition and Convention Centre is located in Southbank and was built in the 1990s as a replacement for the Royal Exhibition Building. It has hosted thousands of conventions and exhibitions since its opening. * The Melbourne Museum is located on the north-eastern fringe of the CBD, next to the Royal Exhibition Building. To many Melburnians, the most significant exhibit is the preserved body of Phar Lap, the famous racehorse of the Depression era. For those who cannot visit the nearby forested ranges, the Forest Gallery is a living internal facsimile. Technically-inclined visitors may be more interested in CSIRAC, the fifth electronic computer built and the only one of its generation to survive intact. The Museum complex is also home to Melbourne's IMAX cinema. * The Royal Exhibition Building located in the Carlton Gardens was built in the 1880s for the World's Fair and is only one of a few such buildings that still exist. The building and gardens was granted World Heritage Site listing on 2 July 2004. It is the first building in Australia to be granted this status. The building also held the first sitting of the Australian Parliament on 9 May 1901. Subsequent federal parliamentary sittings were then moved to the Parliament House, Melbourne located in Spring Street and the Victorian government moved to the Exhibition Building. It also was used as the set of Gringotts bank for the Harry Potter movies. * The State Library of Victoria on Swanston Street, Melbourne, with its massive Domed Reading Room and statue-filled front lawn. * The curiously-named National Gallery of Victoria (not to be confused with the National Gallery of Australia in Canberra), has recently been renovated, and is the largest art collection in Australia. The gallery is split over two sites, the Australian collection at the Ian Potter Centre: NGV Australia at Federation Square (notably featuring key works from the Heidelberg School), and the NGV International collection housed in the recently renovated St. Kilda Road building. * Rialto Towers, the tallest reinforced concrete structure in the Southern Hemisphere, gives an excellent view of the city from the observation deck on the 55th floor. * The Victorian Arts Centre at Southgate (on the southern banks of the Yarra River is a Melbourne landmark with its enormous skyward spire. It hosts Opera Australia's Melbourne season, the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra, the Melbourne Theatre Company, the Australian Ballet Company, Chunky Move (one of Australia's best-known contemporary dance companies), and other touring productions. The centre consists of two separate buildings: the State Theatre; and Hamer Hall (this was recently re-named in honour of the late former premier Sir Rupert Hamer; it was previously known as the Melbourne Concert Hall). The acoustics of the Centre are often favourably compared with those of its interstate rival, the opera theatre in the Sydney Opera House. There are also typically several musicals playing in theatres around the CBD, mostly several years after their production on Broadway or the West End, but usually of good quality and at quite reasonable cost. * Crown Casino, a short walk along the Yarra River from the Arts Centre, is a truly gargantuan gambling palace, also containing restaurants, upmarket boutiques, several nightclubs, two hotel towers, a cinema complex, and regular floorshows. Very much Las Vegas in miniature, it is either loved or hated by residents and tourists. * Docklands, Melbourne's newest precinct and largest infrastructure development to date, is also becoming a major attraction, with many restaurants there having won awards and recognition, even though they have only been open since January 2003. The Docklands area opens up the waterfront to the CBD (also nearly doubling its size) and will attract millions of visitors every year. ''See also: Tall buildings in Melbourne.'' ===Restaurants=== Melbourne's restaurants are numerous, and are generally of reasonable quality and good value. Below are some of the major restaurant strips, however there are many other restaurants not in these locations which offer similar or better-quality food and usually at lower cost. ''The Age'' newspaper produces two "Good Restaurant" guides - one for low-cost eating and another for more elaborate restaurants. * Chinatown#Chinatowns in Australasia, on Little Bourke Street and now spreading out onto Russell Street, Melbourne in the CBD, offers numerous restaurants, mainly but not exclusively offering Cantonese cuisine, at the lower end offering Hong Kong-style noodle restaurants up to the Flower Drum, renowned for its Peking Duck and generally regarded as Melbourne's best restaurant. It was recently rated the 33rd best restaurant in the world by Restuarant Magazine. There are many other good restaurants throughout the CBD. * Lygon Street, Melbourne, in the inner-northern suburb of Carlton, Victoria, offers a selection of mainly Italy-influenced food. To some extent a tourist strip, the quality is variable with some restaurants with decent reputations and others avoided by locals. Students from the nearby University of Melbourne know the better-value places; tourists may consider following their lead. Accessible from Bus Routes 20x (201, 203 and 207), which leave the City via Lonsdale and Russell Streets. Alternately, take any Swanston Street tram and walk one block east from the University. * Brunswick Street, Melbourne in inner-suburban Fitzroy, Victoria used to be a grungy hotbed of students, musicians, actors and the like, and still retains some remnant of that edginess with the presence of several live music venues, all manner of eclectic stores, accompanied by restaurants and cafes, many of which serve varied and contemporary menus (though prices have crept up with the growing gentrification of the area). Brunswick Street went through a growth phase and rapidly became a casual place to eat. The rise in number and income level of people living within walking and hearing distance are changing the feel somewhat. * Chapel Street, Melbourne, south of the city is a popular destination for fashionable clothes shopping, eating and entertainment. The long street contains commercial areas providing goods and services for local residents. This variety makes the street arguably more interesting than Lygon and Brunswick Streets which have a higher proportion of eating establishments. Accessible from Tram Routes 78 and 79, which do not enter the CBD, but can be accessed from the rail network at East Richmond, South Yarra and Windsor, and many intersecting Tram routes. Chapel Street intersects with Toorak Road, Melbourne, itself offering entertainment, food and shops. Toorak Road is served by Tram Route 8, which leaves the city via Swanston Street. * Glenferrie Road, Melbourne, east of the city in inner suburban Malvern has a wide mix of different cuisines including Indian, Malaysian, Thai and Japanese. The street interects with High Street, Melbourne in Armadale, which also has a mix of antique shops, cafes and restaurants. * Glenhuntly Road, Melbourne, south east of the city in inner suburban Elsternwick is a busy strip that offers a wide range of different restaurant cuisines including Chinese, Malaysian Indian, Thai, and some Middle Eastern cuisines as well. * Nelson Place, Melbourne faces the water in Williamstown, Victoria, and is especially popular for lazy weekend breakfasts and lunches. There are restaurants and cafes featuring the usual range of cuisines, and footpath tables outside many of the establishments. ===Cafes and nightlife=== As one would expect from a city its size, Melbourne contains all manner of pubs, bars, and nightclubs. The CBD contains a wide variety of venues, from the ubiquitous faux-Ireland pubs and more traditional Aussie hotels, through some very upmarket wine bars, serious jazz venues on Bennetts Lane, fashionable nightclubs and dance venues, often hidden away down obscure grungy alleys, and massive pickup joints (of which The Metro on Bourke Street is perhaps the biggest). The restaurant strips, particularly Brunswick Street have their own bar (establishment)s, some of which are the best rock venues in Melbourne. King Street, Melbourne, on the southern side of the CBD, was traditionally a nightclub strip and still hosts several, but many are now exotic dancing venues (a final note on this topic, small prostitution are legal in Victoria and are found discreetly dotted throughout the suburbs). Chapel Street, Prahran, is perhaps the trendiest, most upmarket (and most expensive) nightlife strip. Another area of note is St. Kilda, Victoria, background for the Television show ''The Secret Life Of Us'', which is the home of several huge music venues including the famous Esplanade Hotel (known as 'the Espy'), the Prince of Wales, and The Palace. On its beachside setting, it also combines the upmarket with the grungy. The recent influx of city-dwellers have given rise to the numerous underground bars and sidewalk cafes in the alleys between Flinders Street - Flinders Lane and Bourke Street - Lonsdale Street Notable alleys include Block Arcade/Block Place (off Little Collins Street), Degraves Street (off Flinders Lane), and Hardware Lane (between Bourke and Lonsdale Streets). Melbourne is a reasonably cheap and easy place to shop. There are innumerable clothing shops for every budget, though bargain hunters may wish to try the outlet stores in Bridge Road, Richmond and Smith Street, Fitzroy. ===Close to Melbourne=== There are a variety of interesting things to see outside Melbourne proper but still within a day trip of Melbourne: * The Yarra valley region, producer of high-quality wine and with beautiful rainforest scenery nearby. * The Surf Coast near Geelong, Victoria, with excellent surf beaches and the spectacular views of the Great Ocean Road (Voted the world's best road trip in 2003). * Ballarat, a small city once the centre of the gold rush and site of the Eureka Stockade. A requisite for any history buff's itinerary. * Bendigo, Victoria. * Phillip Island, home of the Australian Motorcycle Grand Prix, also has one of the few easily-accessible colonies of little penguins. * French Island National Park in Western Port Bay * Gippsland region, home of the Gourmet Deli Tours, the Gippsland Lakes, Wilsons Promontory (the most southerly point of the Australian mainland), and many picturesque towns such as Bairnsdale, Victoria, Lakes Entrance, and Warrigal - one of the richest dairy farming areas in Australia. The ghost town of Walhalla is filled with goldmining memorabilia and can easily fill a day with interesting walks and activities. ''See also: b:Transwiki:Urban walks in Melbourne.'' ==Melbourne in culture== Melbourne was strongly associated with the establishment of Australia's visual arts. The Heidelberg School, arguably the first distinctly Australian art movement (in the Western canon, at least), was largely the work of Melbourne-based artists, and many of its most significant works hang in the National Gallery of Victoria. Melbourne has been the setting for many novels, television dramas, and films. Perhaps the best-known internationally is Nevil Shute's novel On the Beach. In 1959, it was made into a film starring Gregory Peck, Ava Gardner and directed by Stanley Kramer. The film depicted the denizens of Melbourne quietly slipping off into eternity as the last victims of a global nuclear holocaust. Filmed on location in and around Melbourne (a huge novelty for Melbourne at the time), it is perhaps best remembered for a comment Ms Gardner never made - describing Melbourne as 'the perfect place to make a film about the end of the world', commenting on the dreary conservatism of Melbourne in the late 1950s. The purported quote was invented by journalist Neil Jillett. Similar filming was undertaken when a 2000 television movie remake was produced. In recent years, many more films have been made in Melbourne. Some of the more famous include ''Mad Max'', ''Romper Stomper'', featuring a young Russell Crowe as a terrifying Melburnian skinhead; Jackie Chan's ''Mr. Nice Guy'' and ''The Castle (movie)''. Perhaps better known to a contemporary audience is the daily soap opera ''Neighbours'', which presents a whitewashed microcosm of suburban Australian life. Other contemporary television shows set in Melbourne include ''Stingers'' (a police drama), ''The Secret Life Of Us'', and ''MDA (television)''. Singer Paul Kelly (musician) has written several well-known songs about aspects of the city close to the heart of many Melburnians, notably "Leaps And Bounds" and "From St. Kilda To King's Cross". Melbourne-born satirist Barry Humphries created his main character Dame Edna Everage as a comedic version of a suburban homemaker. Through her he has performed cutting odes to Melbourne mores and the middle class suburbs of Moonee Ponds, Victoria and Highett, Victoria, among others. Although not set in Melbourne, the film ''The Queen of the Damned'' was filmed in and around the city. Carols by Candlelight, first held in 1938, is a Christmas tradition held annually at the Sidney Myer Music Bowl. == Media == ===Newspapers=== Melbourne's daily newspapers include the "small-l liberal" broadsheet ''The Age'', the conservative Rupert Murdoch tabloid ''Herald Sun'', and the free afternoon tabloid ''MX (newspaper)''. ===Television=== The three commercial television channels and the Australian Broadcasting Corporation produce a nightly news bulletin in Melbourne, and the Seven network produces one edition of its current affairs show ''Today Tonight'' there. The ABC also produces a weekly state-based current affairs show, Stateline, in Melbourne. The Special Broadcasting Service provides world news coverage, as well as an assortment of foreign film and television. Channel 31 is a public access television television station which screens mostly foreign-language television for migrant communities, and amateur lifestyle programs. ''See also: List of Australian television channels.'' ===Radio=== Melbourne has a wide range of radio stations. In terms of current affairs radio, the most notable locally-produced stations are ABC Local Radio (774 3LO) and 1278 3AW, both featuring extensive local news coverage and talkback. Australia's most successful community radio station, 3RRR, is a Melbourne institution. SYN FM, at 90.7 FM is another community station, with its unique policy of having no person at the station older than 26; it is staffed entirely by youth and students, and the shows are presented by the same. Other community stations in Melbourne include 3PBS, which plays mostly specialist music programming, and 3CR, a AM radio station run by a broad coalition of left-wing activists. Melbourne is also home to Australia's first and only gay and lesbian community radio station, Joy Melbourne 94.9 FM. For years, JJJ, the ABC's national youth broadcaster, has been extremely popular with Melbourne's youth, featuring mostly alternative or experimental music, and local talent, though in the late 1990s, the distinctions between it and commercial radio (especially stations with a more 'alternative' image like Nova FM) have become somewhat blurred. ''See also: List of Australian radio stations.'' ==Sister cities== Melbourne has a number of sister city. They are: *Osaka, Osaka, Japan - 1978 *Tianjin, People's Republic of China - 1980 *Thessaloniki, Greece - 1984 *Boston, Massachusetts, United States - 1985 *Saint Petersburg, Russia - 1989 *Milan, Italy - 2004 *Galle, Sri Lanka - 2005 (after the 2004 tsunami disaster Melbourne adopted Galle in order to fund the reconstruction of its cricket ground) ==See also== * List of Mayors and Lord Mayors of Melbourne * List of Famous Melburnians * List of Town Halls in Melbourne * Crime in Melbourne * :Category:Melbourne streets * List of Melbourne suburbs, :Category:Melbourne suburbs * Local Government Areas of Victoria * Hook turn - driving manoeuvre that is common in the inner city area. ==External links== * [http://www.melbournephotos.net/ MelbournePhotos.net] * [http://brucema.95mb.com/melbourne/index.html Melbourne Photos by Bruce Ma] * [http://search.pbase.com/search?q=Melbourne Melbourne Photos at PBase.com] * [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-37.790222,144.933357&spn=0.169258,0.302124&z=5&t=k&hl=en Zoomable Satellite image]from maps.google.com * [http://www.iridis.com/glivar/Timeline_of_Melbourne_history Timeline of Melbourne] * [http://wikitravel.org/en/article/Melbourne Melbourne travel guide at Wikitravel] Australian capital cities Cities in Victoria Coastal cities Port cities Host cities of the Summer Olympic Games Melbourne Metropolitan areas simple:Melbourne

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should the major media in Melbourne be mentioned - The Herald-Sun and The Age newspapers etc? :Will do. --User:Robert Merkel 12:59 7 Jun 2003 (UTC) ---- Just wondering why Melbourne is related to Sydney in terms of it's location. ("800kms Southwest of Sydney"). Sydney's page doesn't say 800kms NE of Melbourne, and surely Melbourne can stand on its own by being "in Port Phillip Bay" and surrounded by the Dandenong Ranges etc... as has been done with the Sydney article... Forgive me if I'm picking a bit, but I just dislike having Melbourne as a "poorer cousin" to Sydney, and to me it almost constitutes POV. If you were going to relate it to another city in Australia, relate it to Canberra. Just my two cents. User:Neolux 17:20, 1 Aug 2003 (UTC) :Fair enough. Nothing like a bit of Sydney-Melbourne rivalry :-) --User:Robert Merkel 23:46, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC) ------ Great article, but the information about Brunswick Street feels conversational, with a POV, rather than encycolpedic. While I'm sure the information is accurate, could it be reworded to sound more factual rather than impressionistic? --User:Moncrief 23:46, 31 Aug 2003 (UTC) ---- Nurg, (reffering to Rialto Towers), I think it is the tallest in the southern hemisphere, I'm not aware of it's being surpassed. What I'm referring to however, is the tallest ''skyscraper'', not including observation towers, such as Sydney Tower, which is taller. Prehaps what I had was ambiguous in that way, however, as far as I know, the Rialto is still the hemisphere's tallest skyscraper. User:Hypernovean 10:52, 27 Dec 2003 (UTC) ---- Okay, I've created a list of Melbourne suburbs at List of localities (Victoria), as well as stubs for all the city councils in the metro area. If anyone reading this has some spare time, please spend a minute or two writing some info about your suburb. Just basic things like major roads, train stations, schools, parks, shopping centres, etc. Help much appreciated :) User:AmishThrasher ---- To AmishThrasher, southernmost is what I meant to say! Thanks for correcting it. User:Hypernovean 05:56, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) ---- I have created the Timeline of Melbourne history page and linked it in, please add any events and dates you can. User:Hypernovean 07:31, 2 Mar 2004 (UTC) ---- I dispute that Chunky Move is "Australia's best known contemporary dance company". I've never heard of them. The Sydney Dance Company would be the first one I think of. Perhaps CM is Victoria's best known? User:Dmmaus 12:03, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC) ::''The Sydney Dance Company would be the first one I think of.'' Because I see you're from Sydney. No offence, but from a quick Googling, Chunky Move seem to be quite well known internationally. :::Okay, no problem. I just wanted some sort of confirmation. That's why I asked instead of editing. :-) User:Dmmaus 12:33, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC) ::How do we know what is Australia's best known contemporary dance company? It's unverifiable. I don't think it belongs at all. User:Ambivalenthysteria 13:59, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC) :::Of course we can't totally verifiably say that Chunky Move are "Australia's best known contemporary dance company" since no one's done teh survey, however with my somewhat limited knowledge of contemporary dance, they are quite well-known and quite prestigious, and I think they'd unarguably be the most prestigious Australian contemporary dance company. So leave it as it is. user:wilful ---- ==WikiProject Melbourne== I have created the preliminary page for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Melbourne. Please feel free to add something here, as the project is still in formulation. The primrary aim is to fill in the List of Melbourne railway stations and List of localities (Victoria). The scope could expand to other elements of the city in future. Those interested in working on the above topics, please add your names to the project and join in the discussion. (There are as yet no templates or guidelines for articles, this will be updated soon). User:Hypernovean 08:38, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC) ---- Why is the information under Snippets there? It seems detached from the rest of the article and better suited to an article somewhere else. User:Ambivalenthysteria 05:27, 17 Apr 2004 (UTC) == Public transport in Melbourne == the public transport section is too large. needs to be moved to Public transport in Melbourne. --User:Hemanshu 16:24, 30 Jun 2004 (UTC) :It might be better to go to Railways in Melbourne and Buses in Melbourne; as there are already Metcard and Trams in Melbourne, Australia pages, and there's a lot regarding history, privization, etc. etc. for each area. User:Hypernovean 11:15, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::I think there's room for both. What's there now would make a good Public transport in Melbourne, but there's also room for expanded articles on railways and buses. User:Ambivalenthysteria 11:46, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC) :::Agree with the above. Have just moved much of the Metcard/Ticketing text into Metcard. User:MrPC 02:09, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC) ==Pronunciation== Sorry to be blunt but could someone please get rid of the SAMPA stuff and revert to plain English description of the pronounciation. User:PMelvilleAustin 18:02, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC) :It's back again. I've told the anon user we've decided on "MEL-buhn", and asked he/she to discuss it if he/she thinks its absolutely neccessary. User:Hypernovean 02:31, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::Thanks! :) User:Ambivalenthysteria 02:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) :::The problem appears to be in making sure the pronunciation is Australian and not American; not just SAMPA-rising it. But I think MEL-buhn is how we would say it, Americans tend to pronounce it more like mel-BORN. But maybe it would be better with the 'h', i.e. MEL-bun? It ''is'' hard to get pronounciations right! User:Hypernovean 02:46, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::::Hm, you're right there. I don't know. They're both right, damnit. My only issue with with "MEL-bun" is that it's perhaps a slangish shortening. User:Ambivalenthysteria 02:51, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) :::::Does not hurt to have SAMPA. It just gives a better idea of pronunciation than just simple pronunciation, especially for the -uh- part, which is pronounced as a schwa. The simple pronunciation is still mentioned. --User:203.220.171.232 12:47, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC) I am getting sick and tired of revert wars about pronunciation keys. Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Isn't there something more productive these users could be doing? - User:Mark 08:18, 31 Jul 2004 (UTC) ==Public transport section== I removed the obvious vandalism from the leading section still in the article, but it seems to me that the rest of this has been NPOVed quite a bit. I'm leaving it here for now as it's planned to move all this to seperate pages anyway. ===Metcard ticketing=== All forms of public transport can be accessed by using a single Public transport#Ticket systems - the Metcard. Metcards come in a variety of forms, ranging from 2 hours to yearly, all using the same tickets by programming the Magnetism strip. Metcards are 'validated' when entering or exiting List of Melbourne railway stations, and getting on trams or buses. However, most suburban train stations are unstaffed and can easily be entered without a ticket, and trams no longer have conductors. Ticket inspectors randomly check trains and trams, but their sometimes heavy-handed tactics have resulted in public discontent and even court cases, with at least four successful assault convictions and numerous disciplinary sackings. It is important to know [http://www.ptua.org.au/rights.shtml Your Rights] and responsibilities when travelling on Melbourne's Public Transport. The public transport system is broken up into three ticketing Zones: Zone 1 (Yellow), Zone 2 (Blue), and Zone 3 (Red). Tickets are valid within the selected Zone or Zones only (however, tickets of weekly or longer duration may be used in any Zone on weekends). A tourist would be unlikely to need more than a Zone 1 ticket, which can purchased on board trams or buses, at train stations, at most newsagents or milk bars, and the transport shop within the Melbourne Town Hall on Swanston Street, Melbourne, and costs (as at January 2004) $5.80 Australian dollar for an daily ticket. Avoid using ticket machines where possible, but carry coins for the tram-based ticket machines, and always insert a low value coin first in case the machine is not working properly. ===Trams=== One notable feature of the Melbourne landscape is mobile - the omnipresent tram. Melbourne is the only Australian city to retain its tram network, which links the CBD with many inner suburbs. In fact, Melbourne's network is amongst the largest in the world, and is still slowly growing, though services between tram lines bypassing the CBD area are few and far between. The classic green-and-cream W-class trams were once marketed as a symbol of Melbourne, though Yarra Trams has recently stopped their promotion, to help convey the impression that the system is modern. These traditional wooden trams have been relegated to serve only a few inner-city routes. The best way to see them is by taking the free City Circle (tram route) tourist loop around the CBD. They also operate on Route 30 and are making a gradual comeback on Routes 78 and 79. Many trams today are covered in all-over advertising. In 2001, the first of 36 new C class Melbourne tram and 59 new D1 class Melbourne tram low-floor trams arrived in the city. These new trams were complemented by a massive upgrade of a few city tram stops beginning in 2002. These new "Super tram stops" significantly improve shelter, accessibility, information and safety for travellers, though much of the information conveyed is out of date and inaccurate, the shelter offered is minimal, and seating provision is often sparse at the newer super stops. Yarra Trams invariably tries to move the stops further away from the locations served, most notably moving the stop at Collins and Spencer Streets further away from Spencer Street Station, the city's main rail terminal, to a new location outside Transport House. During 2003, Yarra Trams began a program to remove over one-third of the seats from its B-class Melbourne tram trams, with 28 out of 74 seats removed from Tram 2015, still missing to this day. A community campaign began to fight this move, led by the Public Transport Users Association, which was threatened with legal action by Yarra Trams. The move was intended to create space for more standing passengers and alleviate the need to run more services, and provide space for wheelchairs (though with no apparent means of allowing wheelchairs to climb the three steps to board the tram). They attempted to scale down the seat removals when Tram 2018 was modified in the months following. Despite a few attempts to resurrect the program, including a very short lived trial on A-class Melbourne tram 259, Yarra Trams appears to have given up. ''See also: Trams in Melbourne, Australia, List of Melbourne tram routes.'' === Trains === The centre of Melbourne's extensive suburban Rail transport network is Flinders Street Station. There are 16 electrified routes, radiating out of the City Loop, Melbourne. The City Loop contains Melbourne's two central stations, Flinders Street and Spencer Street Station stations, as well as the Metro stations Parliament railway station, Melbourne, Melbourne Central (formerly Museum) and Flagstaff railway station, Melbourne. There are 4 separate tunnels connecting these three underground stations, and an elevated Bridge between the two surface stations. Melbourne's train fleet consists of the common Comeng trains, recently refurbished, and the older Hitachi (train) trains, which are not Air conditioning and, in the city's summer heat, despised by commuters. However, these trains will progressively be replaced by new X'Trapolis and Siemens train trains. Ironically, the Hitachi (train) trains are the only Melbourne trains that operate reliably in hot weather. Air conditioning in the newer trains is not designed for extreme conditions, and regularly fails to operate on hot days and at any time when the train passes through an area where overhead current is inadequate (such as Heidelberg to Rosanna). The inability of Comeng and other newer trains to function reliably on hot days has led people to unfairly deduce that the older Hitachi (train) trains are intentionally provided on the hottest days, and it is unknown whether those services could be delivered at all once they are withdrawn. The hub of the Victorian List of regional railway stations in Victoria, operated mostly by VLine, is Spencer Street Station. This may soon be renamed "Southern Cross Station", despite the objections of many locals. ''See also: List of Melbourne railway stations.'' === Buses === Melbourne is a sprawling metropolis, and many suburbs beyond the inner and middle metropolitan areas are not covered by its tram or train networks. In these areas, buses theoretically do the work of linking Commuting to the train network, large local Shopping malls, suburban commercial and industrial districts, and other suburban destinations. Their usefulness is negligible, save for a few routes that have maintained useful service levels since being run by the Melbourne & Metropolitan Tramways Board. These are Routes 20x, 21x, 246, 25x, 30x, 340 and 350. Some upgrades have recently taken place on Routes 571, 703, 888/889 and 896, and there is a plan to improve service on Route 700 during 2005. Most other routes may as well be discounted as nonexistent as the average service runs every 50 minutes, ceases at 6.30pm, and offers no service evenings, Saturday afternoons or Sundays. ''See also: List of Melbourne bus routes.'' ==Snippets== Why, oh why has this been in there so long? Someone please find a proper home for it. User:TPK 10:17, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) :An Arctic Tern was found in October 1982 on Melbourne's beach. Bird ringing as a young chick not yet able to fly on the Farne Islands, Northumberland, United Kingdom in late June 1982, it had completed the 22,000km (shortest sea route) journey in no more than 3 months. ::Thanks - I posted about this months ago, somewhere, but don't recall ever getting a response. I'd been meaning to remove it ever since. User:Ambi 11:59, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) :::This 'snippet' is already on the Arctic Tern page. - User:Mark 05:39, 4 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Verify edit == Could someone verify this edit? A quick google throws up random dates, 1834, and both May and August 1835 - [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Melbourne&diff=0&oldid=5687646] -- User:Chuq 07:05, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC) :I think we're opening a can of worms here. A quick google turns up about ten different dates. However, [http://www.museum.vic.gov.au/marvellous/early/index.asp the museum's site] seems to support the anon edit, so I could go with that. User:Ambi 08:41, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC) :: Yeah, this link proposes August 1835. http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=776 — User:SimonEast 03:32, 7 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Some suggested additions == Great article from an expat Melburnian's POV. However, I feel there are a few missing things. * Wouldn't a lat and long be useful in location? (37° 50' S 145° 0' E). * What about a map of Melbourne with a small inset of Australia to give it a better feel for the location for those overseas who really have no idea where it is. (I will have a go at doing this.) * What is the area covered by the city and suburbs? * Isn't Melbourne on an old basaltic lava plain? * The Heidelberg school of art - arguably the quintessential Australian art movement - doesn't crack a mention. * One of Melbourne's assets in the days of sailing ships was that she was ideally located as the first major mainland port of call in Australia for ships following the "roaring 40s". * In the transport section there is no mention of the road system, bridges and freeways. Neither do taxis crack a mention other than in the picture. Disabled access taxis are worth mentioning. * Aren't Captain Cook's cottage and Healesville sanctuary worthy of a mention in landmarks and tourist information? * Is it worth mentioning that the various shopping strips in Melbourne developed along many of the old cable tram routes and this has led to many of the current "restaurant strips" and much of the "feel" of the city? * Are the avenues of Melbourne worth a mention? StKilda Rd, Royal Pde etc. And the fact that the outlying suburbs failed to comply with these wide roads which lead to the current "goat track" of Sydney road for instance. I have a vague recollection there is a whole history of this occuring during a depression when the outlying cities were strapped for cash. * The history of the Australian cinema revival in Melbourne with films like "Picnic at Hanging Rock" etc. is probably worth mentioning. I do not really know enough about most of these to consider adding them but all the best to the team working on this project. --User:CloudSurfer 20:38, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) :All excellent ideas for further improvement. --User:Robert Merkel 21:43, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::As per my promise, here is a map of Melbourne. If you want it changed in any way, let me know as I still have the orginal Adobe Illustrator file. ::--User:CloudSurfer 23:31, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) :::Excellent! Did you make it yourself? Because it looks really good. :) User:Ambi 00:12, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::::Sure did. Traced the outlines from another map and then did the legends etc. So, if you want anything added, deleted or altered then let me know. For instance, I did wonder if it should have a distance bar in miles. ::::By the way, the original map I uploaded is quite a bit larger so you can size it by changing the px value to your requirements. --User:CloudSurfer 00:18, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) :::::What's that dot north-west of the airport supposed to be? User:Ambi 00:20, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::::::Bacchus Marsh I think. I must have forgotten to label it or decided not to and then forgotten to take out the dot. Well spotted! I will change that soon but I suggest you look at the article and any plans for future elements of the article and then get back to me with any request. Of course it would be very difficult to add things like Brunswick street or Chapel Street as they are so central, but Heidelberg would be easy. Similarly, arrows to the Great Ocean Road and Gippsland would be easy. --User:CloudSurfer 00:30, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) Robert, you might be better off making the coat of arms "left" to reduce the blank space. --User:CloudSurfer 01:17, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) CloudSurfer, don't get me wrong, I think your map looks great, but it seems a little inaccurate, assuming that the brown area is urban land, compare it to [http://www.dse.vic.gov.au/melbourne2030online/content/popups/fig_ip02_01.html Melbourne 2030's metro map]. Not too serious, but just a mention, as I would put Werribee and Cranbourne e.g., well and truly in the metro area. I would also ask if it be possible to add the mainline railways as well as the freeways, and Avalon Airport, but it is pretty crowded as is. User talk:TPKUser:TPK 02:24, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Not a problem. I am working here in Apia, Samoa, thousands of miles from my old home town. The built up area did seem small but it is not at all difficult to alter that and I will do that if it is easy to trace the map you have suggested. I'll have a look at the railways, but I have to have a map that shows them. Avalon should be easy to add, again if I can find a map that has it marked. By the way, I have removed the map from this page to speed loading. It is now on the main page. --User:CloudSurfer 02:33, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::Sorry about this but the railways were just too hard. The map you mentioned seemed to be on a different projection and was hard to overlap. I have done the built up areas (approximately) as they sit at present but have not shaded the "growth areas" I have not shaded all the areas given and I think I have left Cranbourne out (sorry Cranbourne). I have added Avalon from memory so I hope it's close. Tracing the original map took about three hours so I am reluctant to start again from scratch. I seem to remember there was mention of an article on transport and perhaps that could link to a web railway map. Similarly a discussion on future growth could link to the 2030 site. When I drew this map it was really to help locate Melbourne for people who had no idea where it was. I then thought it would be useful if it mentioned some of the places mentioned in the article. The new map should load but you may still get the old one from your TMP directory. --User:CloudSurfer 03:33, 24 Sep 2004 (UTC) A bit nitpicky, but, you have a number of major roads marked on the map but no Western Ring Road. Personally I think it belongs, though it's not exactly essential. Just thought I'd mention it in case you had missed it. --User:Thedangerouskitchen 12:53, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC) :The map I traced didn't have the Western Ring Road. Sitting here in the middle of the South Pacific I have some limitations. I will try to find a map on the web that has it marked. --User:CloudSurfer 05:22, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) ::Here is an image of Capt. Cook's cottage. --User:CloudSurfer 19:50, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC) ==Sydney-Melbourne rivalry== I have made an entry in the Talk:Sydney page suggesting an article on this. I think it would fun to read for all Melburnians and Sydneysiders. --User:CloudSurfer 05:22, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) :Here is a fascinating link that would be worth using: [http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2000-01/01RN23.htm 1901: A socio-economic profile of Australia at Federation] I am guessing that in 1880 the Melbourne/Sydney population difference was even greater. I haven't been able to find evidence of that though. --User:CloudSurfer 07:08, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) ::A little more searching reveals [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0PCG/is_2002_Sept/ai_105657372/pg_6 Changing patterns of population distribution in Australia] which shows that in 1881 the total colony population percentages were NSW 33.3% Vic 38.3%, 1901 NSW 35.9% Vic 31.8%. Unfortunately, it doesn't give the city populations. --User:CloudSurfer 08:11, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC) == Origin of Melbourne name == I think the article needs to mention that Melbourne was named after the then British Prime Minister William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne - User:Grover9 19:12, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC) ==Images== It would be nice to have some photos which are ''not'' of the central city skyline. I may try and take some suburban photos. User:Adam Carr 06:37, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) maybe, stkilda rd, stkilda beach, vic market, williamstown, some tram line? User:Xtra 07:23, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) Well yes, but even they are mainly "Melbourne for tourists." How about Box Hill shopping centre? Bonbeach station? St Albans Catholic Church? A residential street in Endeavour Hills? User:Adam Carr 08:54, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Somehow, I think I prefer Xtra's idea. A photo of a shopping centre, railway station, Catholic church, or residential street could be taken in Toronto, London, Paris, or here, and most people probably wouldn't know the difference. User:Ambi 02:51, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) Whether Melbourne shopping centres do or don't look like Toronto ones isn't the point. The images I suggested show the reader what Melbourne looks like. This is an encyclopaedia not a tourist brochure. User:Adam Carr 03:00, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) :The images that Xtra suggested also show what Melbourne is like, as opposed to showing what practically any city in the entire Western world looks like. User:Ambi 03:26, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::still, those "tourist" things are still quite popular among melburnians, and make melbourne what it is. i think 5 photos of the CBD in the article is too much, and a variety would be nice, both touristy and non-touristy. User:Xtra 03:27, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) :I've added a photo of Mornington from Arthurs Seat. It's the only real non-CBD Melbourne photo I have that would suit WP. (I also have a few of the Searoad ferry, one of which is on the ferry article.) They don't need to be touristy photos, but they need to be something of significance to Melbourne. Crown Casino, Federation Square, Monash Freeway (the part within Melbourne), Melbourne Cricket Ground, and so on. But a train station is a good suggestion, as the Melbourne stations have a distinctive look and feel about them. -- User:Chuq 03:32, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::If someone's going to put a train station photo in there, then it may be wise to take a new one. The best one I've taken so far was at Willison, but the Alamein line ones are a bit different, so... User:Ambi 03:52, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) Someone care to explain why the map was removed for no good reason? User talk:TPKUser:TPK 12:20, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) I removed it because it looks like it was taken from a cheap tourist brochure. I don't know what its provenance is but it's really tacky. I'm sure we could find a better one. Also there are too many images. User:Adam Carr 13:38, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Perhaps you could try removing the copyright-violation images then, before getting rid of a perfectly useful map. User:Ambi 13:43, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::adam, why are you being so grumpy. if you want a less "tacky" map, then upload it. User:Xtra 13:46, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) You should see me when I'm grumpy :) All I said is that the map looks cheap and tacky, which it does. I am not obliged to find a better map before I can say that. User:Adam Carr 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::You must have a very broad definition of tackiness, then. User talk:TPKUser:TPK 20:38, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) I have high standards, yes. User:Adam Carr 22:51, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Adam, high standards are great, but for once I think you're being a little over the top. The map is clear and contains useful information. I think the article is better for its presence. In any case, the map was drawn specifically for Wikipedia, IIRC, and the user concerned modified it several times in response to comments by others. If you ask nicely they might just make more changes to deal with your concerns. :One problem that Wikipedia does have, of course, is that there isn't really an equivalent of the Wiki process for images, so we have to rely on the original image creator to do the improvements. Hopefully SVG will change that, someday. --User:Robert Merkel 00:12, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) Oh for f***s sake! All those photos, and not one has trams in it! - User:Shevek 14:24, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) == City population == I notice this article has adopted a US-style population of the actual City of Melbourne itself, as opposed to the style used everywhere else (including Australia) whereby city population is of the entire metropolitan area. This article states that Melbourne is the second largest city in Australia, then lists its City of Melbourne population and metro population. But if we're going to mention the central city population as a size of the city, then Brisbane is the Largest City in Australia. As far as I know, the entire metro area of Brissie is the one local government area, the City of Brisbane. So that means about 1.4 million people live in that (local government area) City and hence Brisbane is Australia's Largest City. Which of course is a load of piffle, but I still think it's screwed up mentioning the population of the City of Melbourne in this article as if it were being ranked according to that as well as the metro population. - User:Mark 03:32, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) I think the text makes it clear that the City of Melbourne is a local government area with the greater Melbourne metro area. It is not unreasonable to give both population figures. User:Adam Carr 04:06, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) this may be a silly point... but why is the pop mentioned here at 52,117 and on City of Melbourne at 46,000. one population figure on the actual page would remove this inconsistency. User:Xtra 04:29, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) The inner city areas have been gaining population over the past decade so the higher figure is probably correct. User:Adam Carr 04:45, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Advertising== The Supper Club? I'm not from Melbourne - is there something special about this Supper Club which makes it worthy of inclusion? It flagged a big red "advertising" warning in my brain when I read it. User:Ozzage 17:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Hmmm, maybe it should go; it's pretty well-known but perhaps not so significant it belongs in this article. --User:Robert Merkel 07:18, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) yes. Should go. User:Xtra 08:45, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Agreed. User:Ambi 08:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Photo sites == Whilst Melbourne is a beautiful and picturesque city, is it appropriate for 3 of the 5 external links to be to photo sites? User:Josh Parris User_talk:Josh Parris 08:01, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC) Depends on the individual content. But best not to duplicate if can avoid. User:Xtra 10:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Melbourne

Melbourne is the capital city of the Australian States and Territories of Victoria (Australia). Australian capital cities Cities in Victoria

Melbourne

Maybe this should be a child of :Category:Victoria? --User:Chuq 08:34, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC) :So it should, and now it is. It's just that :Category:Victoria was created later than :Category:Melbourne. User:Hypernovean 08:44, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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