
:''This article is about the city in England. For alternative meanings, see Manchester (disambiguation).'' Manchester is a city in the North West England of England. The metropolitan borough of Manchester, with a population of 422,302, lies at the heart of a large conurbation called Greater Manchester, with a population of 2,513,468. The term "Manchester" is often used to refer to the entire conurbation, much as "London" is usually used to mean Greater London, but many of the constituent parts of Greater Manchester, such as Salford, Wigan and Bolton, also have separate identities. People from Manchester are called Mancunians. Manchester is perhaps best known for its nightlife and its music scene. In recent years many have come to regard it as England's second city, a claim traditionally made by Birmingham. This is backed by a MORI poll of the British people which identified Manchester as "England's Second City". It is also backed by statements by both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, who both stated in public that they regard Manchester as the UK's second city. [[Image:ManchesterTownHall_OwlofDoom.jpg|thumbnail|right|290px|Manchester Town Hall is an example of the Victorian architecture found in Manchester and is the home of [http://www.manchester.gov.uk/ Manchester City Council] ]] ==History== ''Main article History of Manchester'' The Manchester area was settled in Roman Empire times: general Gnaeus Julius Agricola called a fort he set up there ''Mamucium'', meaning "breast shaped hill". A facsimile of a Roman fort exists in Castlefield. {| border=1 cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" align="right" width=230 |- !colspan=2 align=center bgcolor="#ff9999"|City of Manchester |- |colspan=2 align=center| |- !colspan=2 bgcolor="#ff9999"|Geography |- |width="45%"|Status:||Metropolitan borough, City (1853) |- |Regions of England:||North West England |- |Ceremonial County:||Greater Manchester |- |Surface area:
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Manchester City Council
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/ |- |Local_government_in_England#Councils_and_councillors:||Leader & Cabinet |- |Executive:||Labour Party (UK) |- |MPs elected in the UK general election, 2005:||Paul Goggins, Gerald Kaufman, John Leech (politician), Tony Lloyd, Graham Stringer |} In the 14th Century Manchester became home to a community of Flemish weavers, who settled in the town to produce wool and linen, thus beginning the tradition of cloth manufacture. Manchester remained a small market town until the Industrial Revolution, beginning in the 18th century. Its damp climate made it and the surrounding area ideal for cotton processing, and, with the development of steam-powered engines for spinning and weaving, the cotton industry quickly developed throughout the region (eg Quarry Bank Mill in Styal, Cheshire). Manchester quickly grew into the most important industrial centre in the world. Trafford Park, south west of Manchester, became the first industrial estate in the world, feeding Manchester's industrial growth, and is still the biggest in Europe. Trafford Park contains, among others, the Kellogg Company Europe, Rolls Royce, Manchester United Football Club and the Trafford Centre. Trafford Park was also the first place outside North America that the Ford Motor Company produced the Model T car, in 1911. The Midland Hotel in Manchester, originally built by the Midland Railway company, which owned the adjacent Central Station (now the G-Mex) to attract businessmen to the area, was the building in which Rolls met Royce in 1904, leading to the incorporation of Rolls Royce. The Midland Hotel was also coveted by Hitler as a possible Nazi headquarters in Britain. Manchester's population exploded as people moved away from the surrounding countryside and into the city seeking new opportunities. Its growth was also aided by its proximity to Liverpool's ports and the emerging canal and rail networks. Manchester became the world's first industrial city, and the model for industrial development throughout the western world. The proximity of Liverpool and the similarity in size of the two centres has led to a rivalry between the two cities that has not always been amicable. At 11.20 am on Saturday 15 June 1996 the Provisional Irish Republican Army detonated a large 1996 Manchester City Centre bombing. The consequent reconstruction has spurred a massive regeneration of the city centre, with complexes such as the Printworks and the Triangle creating new city focal points for both shopping and entertainment. In 2002, the city hosted the 2002_Commonwealth_Games very successfully, earning praise from many previously sceptical sources. The city has twice failed in its bid to host the Olympic Games, losing to Atlanta, Georgia in 1996 and Sydney in 2000. Rapidly developing institutions always attract crime and disorder, and Manchester is no exception. (see main article ''crime and policing in Manchester''.) ==Culture== ===Art galleries=== There are many art gallery in Manchester, notably: * Lowry Centre in Salford Quays, which houses works by the Salford painter L. S. Lowry * The Athenaeum * Salford Museum and Art Gallery * Manchester Art Gallery * The Whitworth Art Gallery * The Chinese Arts Centre * Cornerhouse * The Castlefield Gallery * Cube Gallery * Comme Ca Art Gallery * The Barn Gallery ===Museums=== Museums in Manchester include: * Greater Manchester Police Museum * Imperial War Museum North * Manchester Jewish Museum * Manchester Museum * Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester * Pankhurst Centre * People's History Museum * Urbis centre, Manchester, a museum of city life ===Classical music=== Manchester is home to two symphony orchestras, the Hallé Orchestra and the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra. There is also a chamber orchestra, the Manchester Camerata. For many years the city's main classical venue was the Free Trade Hall on Peter Street. Since 1996, however, Manchester has had a modern 2,500 seat concert venue called the Bridgewater Hall, which is also home to the Hallé Orchestra. The hall is one of the country's most technically advanced classical music and lecture venues, with an acoustically designed interior and suspended foundations for an optimum sound. Other venues for classical concerts include the Royal Northern College of Music, the Royal Exchange Theatre, Manchester and Manchester Cathedral. Manchester is a centre for musical education, being home to the Royal Northern College of Music and Chetham's School of Music. In the 1950s the city was home to the so-called "Manchester School" of classical composers, which comprised Harrison Birtwistle, Peter Maxwell Davies and Alexander Goehr. ===Popular music === For Mancunians, the History of popular music in Manchester of the city has always been a source of great pride. The city's eclectic mix of music has created the sense among its inhabitants that Manchester is the most important city in world music. Although Manchester had an impressive music scene before 1976 (with groups like The Hollies, The Bee Gees and 10cc, and with Top of the Pops being recorded by the BBC in the city), undoubtedly the key moment in Manchester’s musical history occurred on 4 June 1976, when the Sex Pistols, at the invitation of Howard Devoto & Pete Shelley (of the Buzzcocks), arrived at the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall in Castlefield to play a legendary gig—legendary, because in spite of an audience of fewer than 42 people, several key members of Manchester’s future music scene were present: Tony Wilson Granada TV presenter and creator of Factory Records, Ian Curtis, Peter Hook, Bernard Sumner (of Joy Division (band) & New Order), Morrissey—later to form The Smiths with Johnny Marr—producer Martin Hannett, and Mick Hucknall of Simply Red. Soon after this gig, Tony Wilson created Factory Records and signed Joy Division. With the industrial revolution as its model, Factory Records played upon Manchester's traditions, invoking at once the apparently incongruous images of the industrial north and the glamorous pop art world of Andy Warhol. It was Factory's Joy Division who somehow managed to grimly define what exactly it was to be a Mancunian as the 1970s drew to an end. At the same time, and out of the same post punk energy, emerged Mark_e_smith’s ground breaking group The Fall (band), who would become one of the most inventive, original and prolific groups of the next three decades. The group that would ultimately become the definitive Manchester group of the 1980s was The Smiths, lead by Morrissey and Johnny Marr. With songs like 'Rusholme Ruffians' and 'Suffer Little Children', Morrissey sang explicitly about Manchester, creating images that are as iconic of Manchester as the paintings of L. S. Lowry. As the 1980s drew to a close, a new energy arrived in Manchester, fuelled by the drug ecstasy. A new scene developed around The Haçienda night club (again part of the Factory Records ‘empire’), creating what would become known as the Madchester scene, – the main proponents being the Happy Mondays, The Inspiral Carpets, and The Stone Roses. The history of the Manchester music scene over this period was loosely dramatised in Michael Winterbottom's 2002 film ''24 Hour Party People''. After the "Madchester" period, Manchester music lost much of its provincial energy, though many successful and interesting acts were still to emerge. Other notable musical acts in Manchester have been Take That, 808 State, M People, Oasis (band), James_(band), Badly Drawn Boy, Michael McGoldrick, Elbow (band), Mr Scruff, Lamb (band) and Doves (band). Morrissey and The Fall (band) along with Gold Blade still continue to produce original ground breaking music. Manchester's main popular music venue is the Manchester Evening News Arena, which seats over 20,000, and is the largest arena of its type in Europe. Other venues major include the Manchester Apollo and the Manchester Academy. The many smaller venues throughout the city, such as the Roadhouse and Night and Day Cafe, ensure that Manchester’s music scene is always vibrant and interesting. ''See list of Manchester List of bands from Manchester ===Gay and Lesbian=== Manchester has the UK's largest gay population outside of London, and is renowned for its gay village; centred around the Canal Street, Manchester area the gay village is home to various gay shops, restaurants, numerous bars and clubs, and each August bank holiday hosts the Manchester Pride Festival (previously known as Mardi Gras and Gayfest). Manchester's gay culture was brought to mainstream attention in 1999 by the acclaimed and controversial Channel 4 drama series Queer as Folk (UK) , which portrayed life in the village. The year round [http://www.manchesterpride.com/whatson.asp?ID=96 gay and lesbian heritage trail] exhibits Manchester's colourful and often dark gay history. Manchester's status as gay capital of the UK was affirmed in 2003 when it played host city to the annual Europride festival. ===Literature=== [[Image:Manchester Central Library.jpg|thumb|Manchester Central Library]] Famous writers to come from the Manchester area include Elizabeth Gaskell, and Anthony Burgess who wrote 'A Clockwork Orange', later adapted into a film by Stanley Kubrick. W. G. Sebald lived in Manchester when he first came to England, and it features prominently in his novel ''The Emigrants.'' Jeff Noon, the author of Vurt, writes novels which take place in Manchester. The Writer's Bureau also runs its offices from the city. Manchester is home to the Manchester Metropolitan University Writers School, one of the top creative writing schools in the country. ===Theatre=== Manchester is noted for its excellent theatres, among them: * Contact Theatre, a theatre for young people with a bold contemporary design * The Green Room (Manchester), a small fringe venue * The Library Theatre, a small producing theatre situated in the basement of the city's central library * The Lowry Centre, a large touring venue in Salford * The Manchester Opera House, a commercial theatre promoting large scale touring shows which regularly plays host to touring West End shows * The Palace Theatre, another large scale commercial theatre * The Royal Exchange Theatre, Manchester, a large producing theatre located in Manchester's former cotton exchange The city is also home to two highly-regarded drama schools; The Manchester Metropolitan University School of Theatre and the Arden School of Theatre. ===Architecture=== Manchester has a wide variety of buildings from Victorian architecture through to modern. Much of the architecture in the city harks back to its former days as a global centre for the cotton trade. Many warehouses have now been converted for other uses but the external appearance remains mostly unchanged so the city maintains much of its original character. Structures of interest in Manchester include: * The Corn Exchange, Manchester (now the Triangle shopping centre) * The G-Mex Centre * Imperial War Museum North by Daniel Libeskind and Lowry Footbridge * Beetham Tower, due for completion in 2006 * John Rylands Library, Deansgate * London Road Fire Station (Manchester) * Manchester Central Library, St Peter's Square, by E. Vincent Harris * Manchester Town Hall by Alfred Waterhouse, extended by E. Vincent Harris * Midland Bank building, King Street, Manchester (now HSBC), King Street by Sir Edwin Lutyens * The Midland Hotel (Manchester) * Piccadilly Gardens by Tadao Ando * The Portico Library * The Royal Exchange, Manchester * South Manchester Synagogue * Strangeways Prison by Waterhouse * Sunlight House * Trinity Bridge over River Irwell by Santiago Calatrava * Manchester Victoria station * The Victoria Baths (Manchester) ===Public monuments=== * The Alan Turing Memorial * The Albert Square, Manchester, by Thomas Worthington (architect) * B of the Bang, Britain's tallest sculpture * The Queen Victoria statue (Manchester) statue, Piccadilly Gardens by Edward Onslow Ford * Monument to Abraham Lincoln in Lincoln Square, marking the cotton famine of 1861-5 ===Media=== The BBC has its north-west headquarters in New Broadcasting House on Manchester's Oxford Road, while Granada Television also has its original headquarters in the Castlefield area of the city. The city is the main television broadcasting centre outside London. The BBC will soon move its sport, BBC Radio Five Live, new media, children's television and other departments to the city. The city's main newspaper is the Manchester Evening News and the city is home to local radio stations such as BBC GMR, Key 103, Galaxy Manchester, Piccadilly Magic 1152, 105.4 Century FM and Smooth FM 100.4, Capital Gold 1458, as well as some smaller stations. Xfm Manchester is to begin broadcasting later in 2005. The Guardian newspaper was founded in Manchester in 1821 as ''The Manchester Guardian''. Its head office is in Manchester, though many of its management functions were moved to London in 1964. It still shares a Manchester office on Deansgate with its sister publication, the Manchester Evening News. ===Universities=== Manchester is home to two University: The University of Manchester and Manchester Metropolitan University. The former is the largest full-time non-collegiate university in Britain, and was created in autumn 2004 by the merger of the former Victoria University of Manchester with UMIST. Together with nearby Salford University, and the Royal Northern College of Music, these give the area a student population in excess of 65,000. This is one of the biggest student populations in Europe. ===Sport=== Sport and especially football are an important part of Manchester culture. Two major football (soccer) clubs, Manchester United F.C. and Manchester City F.C, bear the city's name. Manchester United's Old Trafford (football) ground, the largest club football ground in England, is just outside the city proper, in the borough of Trafford. These football teams are just two examples: according to the Urbis centre, Manchester Manchester has the highest concentration of football clubs per capita of anywhere in the world. Other football teams in Greater Manchester include Oldham Athletic A.F.C., Stockport County F.C., Bury F.C., Wigan Athletic F.C., Rochdale F.C. and Bolton Wanderers F.C.. The legacy of the Commonwealth Games includes many first class sporting facilities such as the Manchester velodrome, the City of Manchester Stadium, the National Squash Centre and the Manchester Aquatics Centre. Old Trafford (cricket) cricket ground, home of Lancashire County Cricket Club, hosts many first-class cricket matches including Test Matches. Manchester is also represented in Rugby Union by Sale Sharks and Manchester RU, who currently play their home games at Edgeley Park in Stockport; and in Rugby League by Wigan Warriors, who share the JJB Stadium with Wigan Athletic, and Salford City Reds, who are currently in the process of constructing a new state-of-the-art stadium. ==Transport== ===Air=== Manchester International Airport is the third-largest airport in the UK (after London Heathrow Airport and London Gatwick Airport). In 2003 it handled 20 million passengers and provided direct flights to over 180 destinations worldwide by over 90 airlines. ===Road=== The main roads serving Manchester are the M56 motorway, M6 motorway, M60 motorway, M61 motorway, M62 motorway and M66 motorway motorways. This accounts for a large percentage of the UK's motorway network and is the best network provided for any city in the UK outside of London. Manchester and the surrounding area have a good bus network, with regular services in and out of the city connecting to all the satellite towns and villages. Maps of bus routes and a public transport journey planner for the Greater Manchester can be found on the [http://www.gmpte.com GMPTE website] ===Rail=== The city has two major stations, Manchester Victoria and Manchester Piccadilly, linking Manchester to the rest of the United Kingdom. There are also many smaller local stations, such as Manchester Oxford Road station. ===Metrolink=== Despite Manchester's size, it does not have an underground train system, such as the famous London Underground or the Glasgow Subway. Instead, the city has a light rail system called the Manchester Metrolink. Operated by Serco, Metrolink links the city centre to Altrincham, Eccles, Greater Manchester and Bury. Plans to extend Manchester Metrolink into the surrounding towns and boroughs that form Greater Manchester have recently been resurrected. Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive (the Passenger Transport Executive responsible for the Greater Manchester area) is leading the fight to ensure that the extensions are built, with significant support from local councils and community. ===Buses=== The city's buses are operated by a range of companies including First Bus, Stagecoach (incorporating the lower-cost Magic Bus), Finglands, UK North and R. Bullock. Most major routes are well provided for, including Oxford Road/Wilmslow Road, one of the busiest routes in Europe, bringing large numbers of students from Fallowfield and Withington into the city centre. ===Water=== One legacy of the industrial revolution is an extensive network of Canal: the Manchester, Bolton & Bury Canal, Rochdale Canal, Manchester Ship Canal which provides access to the sea, Bridgewater Canal, Ashton Canal and the Leigh Branch of the Leeds & Liverpool Canal. Today, most of these canals are used for recreation. ==Shopping== Manchester is the only urban area in the country to be able to boast two indoor shopping centres, each with over 280 stores. The first is the Arndale Centre in the middle of the city, the largest city-centre shopping centre in Europe. The second is the out-of-town Trafford Centre which boasts a massive food hall, multi-screen cinema and Namco games centre. Other shopping centres are provided, including The Triangle which caters for a more youthful clientele. The city also provides two Selfridges department stores, a Harvey Nichols store, the largest Next store in the UK and a large John Lewis Partnership department store. There is also a range of designer clothing stores including Tommy Hilfiger, DKNY, and Louis Vuitton. Alternative tastes are catered for by Affleck's Palace on Oldham Street, a building which provides low-cost stalls for independent start-up traders and creatives, and has become popular among students and younger Mancunians. ==Places== ===Manchester urban area=== Towns in the Manchester urban area include Salford, Sale, Greater Manchester, Altrincham, Cheadle, Stockport, Ashton-under-Lyne, and Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport and Stretford. Places like Trafford and Salford can be considered part of the Manchester urban area in a way that Wigan (borough) or Bolton (borough) are not. ===Borough of Manchester=== Places in the City of Manchester include: *Ardwick *Baguley *Barlow Moor *Benchill *Blackley *Bramhall *Burnage *Cheetham Hill *Clayton, Greater Manchester *Chorlton-cum-Hardy *Crumpsall *Didsbury *Fallowfield *Gorton *Harpurhey *Hulme *Levenshulme *Longsight *Miles Platting *Moss Side *Moston, Greater Manchester *Newton Heath *Northenden *Rusholme *Sharston *Withington *Whalley Range *Wythenshawe ===Streets and plazas in Manchester=== *Albert Square, Manchester *Canal Street, Manchester *Deansgate, Manchester *King Street, Manchester *Piccadilly Gardens *Wilmslow Road ==See also== *Manchester City Centre *Manchester air disaster (1985) *Royal Manchester Children's Hospital *List of bands from Manchester ==Bibliography== *Manchester architecture **''Manchester''. Clare Hartwell. Pevsner Architectural Guides ISBN 0300096666 **''Manchester: A guide to recent architecture''. David Hands and Sarah Parker. Ellipsis. ISBN 1899858776 **''Manchester - an Architectural History'' John Parkinson Bailey. Manchester University Press. ISBN 0719056063 *General **''The City Life Guide to Manchester: 6th edition''. ISBN 0954446070 **''The Mancunian Way'' Published by Clinamen Press ISBN 1903083818 **''Manchester - a Celebration''. Brian Redhead. André Deutsch Limited, London. ISBN 0233988165 **''Victorian Manchester & Salford''. Published in 1988 by Ryburn Publishing Limited. ISBN 1853310069 *Manchester culture **''Morrissey's Manchester: The Essential Smiths Tour'' Phil Gatenby ISBN 1901746283 **''Manchester, England. The story of the pop cult city''. Dave Haslam ISBN 1841151467 **''And God Created Manchester''. Sarah Champion. Wordsmith. ISBN 1873205015 **''The Hacienda Must be Built''. Edited by Jon Savage. International Music Publications ISBN 0863598579 ==External links== *[http://www.visitmanchester.com Visit Manchester] Official tourist board for Greater Manchester *[http://www.agma.gov.uk AGMA] The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities *[http://www.manchester.gov.uk Manchester City Council] *[http://manchester.eb.cx Manchester @ eb.cx] A web site dedicated to the city of Manchester (under construction) *[http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk Manchester Online] Manchester Online by the Manchester Evening News: cinema, travel, tourist information and accommodation guide. *[http://www.manchesterguide.com Manchester Guide] Manchester Guide, for everything that's going on in Manchester *[http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/ Welcome to Manchester, England] Manchester the City and Metropolitan County of Greater Manchester *[http://www.imagesofcities.com/photos1-.php Photos of Manchester, Salford & conurbation] *[http://www.manchester.com/ Virtual Manchester] club, pub, restaurant, cinema guides, news and features about Manchester *[http://www.manchestercivic.org.uk/ Manchester Civic Society] a charitable civic society "fostering a sense of pride in Manchester" *[http://www.manchester-eating.com/ Manchester Restaurant Guide] *[http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/CityProfiles/Manchester/index.htm LoveMyTown - City of Manchester] civic pride facts and organisations in Manchester *[http://www.manchesterwiki.co.uk/ Manchester Wiki] *[http://manchester.openguides.org Open Guide to Manchester] another wiki guide to Manchester *[http://www.itchymanchester.co.uk Itchy Manchester] Tourist guide catering for younger visitors Cities in England Greater Manchester la:Mamucium
==''Second largest conurbation in the UK''== I have this source: http://www.cec.org.uk/info/pubs/regional/nw/chap1p4.htm :The Greater Manchester conurbation has a population of 2.5 million, which :represents almost two-fifths of the North West’s total population; it is :the second largest conurbation in the UK. Do you have anything more authoritative? - User:Khendon 08:25 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :How about wikipedia! Birmingham... this would need to be corrected too if its wrong. "Greater Manchester" is a bit misleading, as there are several large cities in the Greater Manchester area that are technically seperate authorities. However the same applies to London in this sense, and getting a firm grip on population could be difficult. User:Greg Godwin 08:51 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) That's why it specifically talks about the "conurbation". The Birmingham article isn't wrong either, AFAIK - it talks about the city of Birmingham, rather than the conurbation around it. Greater Manchester is made up of two cities and a collection of towns that are *administratively* separate, but it's all part of one cohesive urban "sprawl". Talking about the population of just the city of Manchester would be (as you note) as misleading as talking about just the city of London. - User:Khendon 09:19 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) conurbation :But the Birmingham page says it it forms part of a large conurbation of over four million. This would easily exceed the 2.5 million quoted for Manchester. One of these pages must be wrong. -- User:Chris Q 09:33 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) : OK I am sure it is the third largest so I've decided to "be bold" "Although the population of Manchester City is only 400,000 and of Greater Manchester, 2.5 million" from http://www.commonwealthgames.ca/eng/publication/cdm/cdm0400.htm. "Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK and has a population of over 1 million" from http://www.locatebirmingham.org.uk/pages/images/pdf_files/Key_Fact_Pack_1_in_full_colour.pdf Why not forget the whole "conurbation" thing altogether, and just state the facts. Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK. User:Greg Godwin 12:40 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :Its OK with me if you want to do that ! -- User:Chris Q 12:44 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) The problem with removing the "conurbation" idea and just talking about the city of Manchester is it would give a misleading impression. - User:Khendon 12:53 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :I cant see an issue though. The City of Manchester has a population of 400,000 - Greater Manchester has a population of 2.5 million, why don't we just put the 400,000 in Manchester and the conurbation size in Greater Manchester, it makes perfect sense - User:Greg Godwin And would you support the same criteria being applied to London? - User:Khendon 12:59 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :As a compromise, why not state the population of Manchester as 400,000 but in parathesis note that the conurbation is upwards of 2.5 million. As we have a page on Greater Manchester it shouldn't be a problem. I'm not sure on population of the City of London, but I suspect it is greater than Birmingham and certainly larger than Manchester. Population of the City of London was 5200 in 1998, according to City of London - User:Khendon 13:06 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :he-he I was a little bit off then! Birmingham is commonly recognised as the second largest city in the UK, at least from everything I've read. Although I think everybody is arguing the same point here, as we have two different definations (city/conurbation) and two matching results (400,000/2.5 million). Lets just mention both figures, I can't see why not. User:Greg Godwin 13:21 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Let me throw a cat amoung the pigeons, Manchester is the ''sixth'' largets city! From [http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/sc0010.pdf] National Statistics: *Birmingham (1,013,431) *Leeds (727,389) *Sheffield (531,141) *Bradford (483,285) *Liverpool (461,481) *Manchester (429,812) *Bristol (402,310) *Croydon (338,217) *Cardiff (320,940) *Wakefield (318,804) *Dudley (311,468) *Wigan (310,491) *Coventry (304,334) So by city size Machester is sixth in England and Wales! :Yes, but that's divided along arbitrary administrative divisions. Imagine :you had a map of the country, colour-coded by urbanisation. There would :be a distinct cohesive urban area around each "city proper". That's the :most useful size to use when comparing cities. Anyway, I think the :article is now clear and accurate enough for everyone, isn't it? - User:Khendon 14:01 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Making claims on city size/comparisons is always going to be controversial. To think that there are only 5200 people in London!... User:Greg Godwin :Controversial, but too important to skip over, I think. - User:Khendon 15:27 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Today's scores (from the 4 Wikipedia articles) *Manchester 391,000 *Birmingham 1,013,431 *Birmingham conurbation "around 2.2 million" *Manchester conurbation 2,438,000 *Greater Manchester "about 2.5 million" *West Midlands 2,552,000 User:Andy G 23:29 13 Jul 2003 (UTC) :Census of 29 April 2001: :*Manchester 392,819; Greater Manchester 2,482,352 :*Birmingham 977,091; West Midlands (county) 2,555,596. :That isn't really the point, though: for one thing, the counties in neither case represent the city even at its widest extent (Bolton and Wigan aren't in Manchester any more than Coventry or Wolverhampton are in Bormingham, though they're all in the respective metropolitan counties). The real issue is that Manchester is ludicrously underbounded in comparison with say Leeds, while Birmingham is ''about'' right. If Manchester had enjoyed the same kind of boundary extension that Birmingham experienced in 1891-1931 it would be approaching a similar size - and I'm not talking here about conurbations, which can often lump together independent urban areas of similar rank. :I still think that leaves Birmingham securely Britain's second city, but it shows that we have to be careful in throwing out rankings - I'd put Liverpool and Manchester ahead of Leeds, Sheffield and Bradford in "real" terms, ie disregarding purely administrative boundaries: as for Wakefield, Dudley and Wigan (about 310,000 apiece for the administrative area, which in each case includes neighbouring towns), I doubt any would come close to 100,000 on a similar definition. Oh, and Newcastle should be up there too with about 450,000 once Gateshead is included. :User:Graculus (how do you do that time thing?) ------ The Office for National Statistics publish official figures for conurbations from the 2001 census. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Expodata/Spreadsheets/D8271.xls Greater Manchester Urban Area - 2,244,931 West Midlands Urban Area - 2,284,093 So whether you measure it by city, conurbation or metropolitan county, Manchester is still smaller than Birmingham. Billy. ---- re the number of universities: it was announced last week that the University of Manchester and UMIST are to merge, so someone should be ready to make the appropriate changes when it actually happens! User:Arwel Parry 15:16 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC) ===population=== I have adjusted the population statistics upwards because the original cesus figures have been shown to be incorrect and have been revised upwards: ''see here'' [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3240307.stm] just in case anyone was wondering User:G-Man 19:09, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC) ===Tiresome=== Am I alone in finding this Second City stuff tiresome? Do we think that the user will come to this article to learn about Manchester is interested either? In any case, surely Glasgow is the Second city of the UK. It used to be the ''Second City of the Empire''! I suggest a separate article Second city of England where the debate can continue for those who care.User:Cutler 10:04, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) *Rest assured, you're not alone. But before anyone decides to fill in those red links, there is already a second city article with a UK section, where the whole issue has been played out in the past, and continues to linger on.We had it down to the bare bones before xmas, and that looked pretty good, but I think it's got flabby again since. I've been embroiled in second city arguments before and can see with confidence that all it does in the end is mess up decent articles. It's wreaking havoc with this one. User:Mattley 10:17, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==ManU== The recent addition that ''Old Trafford'' (ManU's ground) is in Trafford, is of course right. However, to someone not familiar with M'cr this sounds as if it was out somewhere... how can we bring in that Trafford is part of Greater Manchester? User:Kokiri 09:35, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==Grauniad== The article should probably make some mention of The Guardian, altho I am unsure where and how... -- User:Cimon avaro 13:42, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC) :The 'media' section seems the best place, as it already mentions the Guardian's sister publication, the Manchester Evening News. I added a sentence and link. --User:David Edgar 15:43, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Merge with City Centre article== Since the Manchester page is really about the City of Manchester, I think it should be merged with Manchester City Centre. What do people think? User:Bornslippy 12:55, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC) : I agree. I made a few comments on Talk:Manchester City Centre. --User:David Edgar 09:30, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==POV and Bomb== It it really POV to say that it's ''fortunate'' that civilians escaped injury from a bomb? No matter who placed it. User:Cutler 13:57, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC) == Popular Music == I've completey rewritten the popular music section - I have a feeling that this may be too long for this kind of article. :Maybe you should create a separate article - something like History of popular music in Manchester? User:Nick Smale ==TV, music, Sex Pistols etc== "Although Manchester had an impressive music scene before 1976 ( with groups like The Hollies, The Bee Gees and 10cc, and with Top of the Pops being recorded at Granada TV studios), undoubtedly the key moment in Manchester’s musical history occurred on June 4th 1976 when the Sex Pistols at the invitation of Howard Devoto & Pete Shelley (of the Buzzcocks) arrived at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester City Centre to play a legendary gig..." I have two problems with the above section. * Firstly, the BBC has its own studios in Manchester. Why would it have recorded Top of the Pops at the studio of its main northern rival? * Secondly, the original text has a wikilink to "Free Trade Hall" from the text "Lesser Free Trade Hall". I never attended any gig at the Lesser Free Trade Hall, but it's my understanding that the venue was not directly related to the Free Trade Hall, that it was just an ironic name chosen by a club, in reference to the latter's reputation as a high culture classical music venue. Can anyone comment on this? Sometimes I think I must be one of the few people who were in Manchester in 1976 who have never claimed to have been in the tiny audience at the legendary Sex Pistols gigs at the Lesser FTH in 1976. I ''did'' see Rik Mayall and, I think, Ade Edmondson perform in some grotty student revue in 1977, though. They were shite. --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 10:41, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
: Yeah, it should be BBC studios of course, but it feels like it should be Granada.
: As far as I am aware the Lesser Free Trade hall is in the Free Trade Hall Complex - [http://www.radissonedwardian.com/news/category.jsp?category=openings&releaseid=HistoryOfFreeTradeHall see here]
:--User:DanCupid 19:02, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:: Thanks. I googled and eventually found an article about the Lesser Free Trade Hall. Would you believe, it was on Wikipedia all along?
*:: Manchester_Lesser_Free_Trade_Hall
:: I'll update the article. The BBC Manchester studios for TOTP (Oxford Road, I expect) and the Wikilink to the Lesser FTH. --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 19:41, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)
:::I don't think they did TOTP at Oxford Road -- as far as I recall the BBC studios there weren't built until the early/mid 80s -- the BBC used to have a small building at the corner of Piccadilly Gardens, but for some reason I have a recollection that TOTP may have been recorded in an old church in Wythenshawe... -- User:Arwel Parry 23:57, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==The Charlatans==
Manchester has a great music history but The Charlatans are not a Manchester band, they were formed in Brum by a Brummie, and the band have consisted mainly of West Midlands musicians throughout their history, Mark is the only member from Manchester, Tim is from Chester area and he is quoted as distancing himself from the Manchester Scene (otherwise known as the baggy or indie scene to many) sorry to be pedantic but this place has made me this way :)
: The item which has been removed did not describe The Charlatans as a Manchester band--indeed I specifically changed the text to state that they were from Birmingham. They ''were'' associated with the Madchester phenomenon, so it's wrong to remove them on the grounds that they were actually from Birmingham. --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 23:53, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Sorry Tony,
I am not trying to be awkward but the Charlatans were assosiated with the "Indie" or "Baggy" scene, the press may have asumed the band were from Manchester as the usual NME press reports likened them to a poor relation of the Roses, in actual fact Tim Burgess (Cheshire raised singer of the band) stated at the time that he wished NOT to be associated with the Madchester scene because the band were Not from Manchester, only ONE member of the band are from Manchester and that is Mark Collins who joined for the second album 'In between tenth and eleventh' it would be like saying Pink Floyd are a Birmingham band just because Nick Mason (the longest serving member) was born in the city. I am sure that Manchester does not need the Charlatans on their their page due to one member, it gets confusing as the band are already listed as being from Birmingham. Even Tony the replacemnet keyboardist is from the city limits.
Anyway i've amended the article to include Mark Collins who is a mancunian and the band name.
User:Nick Boulevard 22:28, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==Poll==
On Nick Boulevard's additions, I think they're vague. It isn't enough to say that "although some say it is a missleading poll", you have to be more specific. I'm removing this until someone can come up with a specific, significant reference (not "the bloke I met down the pub says it's misleading.") --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 23:53, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)
What do you mean by a "specific, significant reference"? It is very unlikely that some outside agency has done a point-by-point analysis of the methodology used by MORI for carrying out this poll. On the other hand, the bloke in the pub might reasonably point out that this is a poll of only 1,087 people, commissioned by Marketing Manchester in the immediate aftermath of the Commonwealth Games, in which Manchester was placed ahead of Birmingham by a mere 5 percentage points. All true - all taken from the link itself -and all evidence of its potential to mislead.
I am not in favour of rehashing all of these criticisms on the article page, nor do I think that we should remove the reference (and link) to the poll. However, I do think we should be careful about how we word our reference to it. We might say that it bolsters, or can be seen as bolstering Manchester's claim. But to assert that it demonstrates the prevalence of a Manchester as second city point of view or similar is too much. It is suggestive, but it proves nothing. User:Mattley 00:18, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
To be honest guys, i wouldn't at all be bothered if the reference to second city was removed from Birmingham... but also Manchester pages, it's a crap term in many, many ways and readers can make up their own minds. Charlatans though, they are a west midland band through and through and as Tim Burgess the bands lead singer said himself that he wanted to distance the band from the madchester scene, it would be like saying that Pink Floyd were from Birmingham just because Nick Mason was in the band. Can we do that? :) User:Nick Boulevard 00:33, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
and Tony, i was being stupidly sarcastic with my comments on second city Manc etc, the whole point is that i have met loads of people from down the pub, in work, on the net and so on that rightly or wrongly consider Birmingham as England second city, this may only amount to dozens of people in my entire life time but then surely that could be classed as a poll, i have never been in a discusion with smeone about England second city and then hear them correct me and say... "actually mate i think you mean Manchester" it doesn't really matter but i am just a little wary of the presses baiting of Brum lately and this second city thing seems to have been stirred up by people that have no vested interest in either city ;)
i would rather the manc title be removed re: second city or toned down before an edit war ensues and as a victim of a wiki edit war it really is a pain in the ace of spades.
User:Nick Boulevard 00:42, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
'We might say that it bolsters, or can be seen as bolstering Manchester's claim. But to assert that it demonstrates the prevalence of a Manchester as second city point of view or similar is too much. It is suggestive, but it proves nothing.'
Actually if you look at the wording I have chosen it says this:
: ''Manchester is more recently regarded as England's second city after London by many; a 2002 opinion poll [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2253035.stm] illustrates the prevalence of this impression; although Birmingham has a much larger population and has also claimed this title for many decades, fewer people described Birmingham as England's second city than Manchester.''
So although we note that despite the fact that Manchester doesn't have the population to challenge Birmingham (which in my mind is easily the winner in the Second City stakes, for what it's worth), ''nevertheless'' in a fairly recent poll (yes, probably affected by recent high profile events in Manchester) significantly more people think Manchester is the second city (utter nonsense in my mind, but that makes the prevalence of the impression all the more significant).
To summarise:
* I don't think Manchester has a ghost of a chance of challenging Birmingham as England's second city.
* I do think the fact that so many people regard it as the second most important city is worth mentioning.
And 5% in a poll size of around 1000 is usually regarded as significant in opinion polling. The surprising thing is that the number who think of Manchester as England's second most important city is ''anywhere near'' those who think Birmingham is. --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 01:13, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Hi Tony,
how about:
''Manchester is considered by some as England's second city after London; a 2002 opinion poll [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2253035.stm] illustrates the prevalence of this impression; although Birmingham has a much larger population and has also claimed this title for many decades, the title is infact irrelevant to either city.''
??? Cheers
User:Nick Boulevard 20:23, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)
: Ok well i've edited the second city title to try and please both sides, you cannot simply deny the fact that for many, many decades the second city has been Birmingham, it's a massive cultural place that gets grosely overlooked mainly by the press. Imagine if Manchester had been known as the second city for decades with hundreds of well established business's with 'second city' in their title (heaven forbid they ever read this page) and then one day the press decided they would pass the crown to Birmingham??? you'd be well pissed off and i don't think you would let it pass you by! Manchester is a magnificent vibrant city like Birmingham but it is not second to London in many ways, (in some ways Manc might be first?) i prefer to think of Manchester as the main city of the north west but even that may be contested by Liverpool and that is something i wish NOT to get emroiled in.
User:Nick Boulevard 22:52, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Nick, I made it plain above that I think Birmingham's claim to Second City status is far, far stronger than Manchester's. Now I have no problem with your alternative wording ''except'' the last part of that last sentence.
It says: ''the title is infact irrelevant to either city.''
That is a POV statement. Every other statement in my version and yours is NPOV. I'm replacing that by my own wording. --User:Tony_Sidaway|User_talk:Tony_Sidaway#Page_Footer">User:Tony Sidaway|User:Tony Sidaway|User talk:Tony Sidaway#Page_Footer 01:06, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Ok, that sounds fair... i still think that maybe we should remove the reference to 'second city' and just have 'second largest city' on the Birmingham page, i have a feeling it would save a lot of arguments for the future?
User:Nick Boulevard 18:47, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)
==Vandalism==
Just a warning to the anonymous user who keeps blanking this page, if you do it again you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. User:DJ Clayworth 13:58, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And now you've been blocked. You will be welcome back afterwards if you don't vandalize pages. User:DJ Clayworth 15:36, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Looks like we have an IP switching vandal. If this continues I'll protect the page for 24hrs or so. User:DJ Clayworth 15:48, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Page has been protected. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 15:51, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
* I have to say I think it's utterly disgusting that people abuse this free resource and waste editors' time with this kind of blanking, vandalism, pissing about, to the extent that the page has to be protected from everything, even legitimate edits. User:Smileyrepublic 22:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)RESPONCE-birmingham_free_state@gawab.com
oh realy well, so you think its utterly disgusting do you. Well let me tell you some thing. I find it equally disgusting that this site lets such crap writting to be displayed,and Im talking here about the manchester page,I have never, ever,ever read such a biased view of Manchester.Birmingham is the second city never mind what some one like FAT BOY john prescot says.Heres somthing else for you to chew over as well, Im part of a large community of people in Birmingham that has had enough of this type thing being written.eg lies, bull, untrues, misleading information,spin and so on. unless the Manchester page is edited in a fair and unbiasd way in regard of its status eg "it is not regarded as the second city" ,continued editing and or deleting will carry on. No one minds the truth being told but bull shit is not exceptable.Oh yes in regard to the above statement "pissing out" it is no such thing we are deadly serious about this. so cut the crap, shit for brains. unsigned by vandal It was signed someone moved it.It is now at the beginning. birmingham_free_state@gawab.com
*Well, friend, guess what? Looks like you earned yourself a block. Hmm, seeing that you're allowed to make edits, you could have just fixed these supposed irregularities. Well, instead, you were inflamatory, violated Wikipedia policy, and just BLANKED the articles. Now guess what? You're no longer allowed to make ANY edits. Congrats! User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 19:36, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
Page has been unprotected. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 19:41, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
== Second city ==
Difficult one, this, as the term is so vague. Obviously Birmingham has a higher population but in terms of influence (and football trophies :-P) Manchester does pretty well. I suggest trying to resolve this by citing sources - can we get references for people whose opinions are considered important (Blair would be a good example but can't find anything on google) saying which they consider to be the second city? It's perfectly reasonable to say that many consider Manchester to be Britain's second city - they do - but as with anything contentious it would be helpful to have a source.
Of course, I'm biased as hell and think Birmingham is Britain's second city - after Manchester. User:Cantthinkofagoodname 16:24, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Crime and policing in Manchester ==
I have had it in my mind for a while to start an article Crime and policing in Manchester. This would serve as an informal portal for such much needed and overdue articles as:
*Quality Street gang
*James Anderton
*John Stalker
*Anatasios Arnaouti (well, not so overdue)
*...
- in addition to providing a home for all the stuff on gun-related crime which does seem to take up a disproportionate amount of space in the main articles. Any thoughts on this idea? User:Cutler 20:45, Jun 13, 2005 (UTC)
**Good idea. There's so much more to Manchester and this stuff in the main article could have made people look at the city in a bad light - it's in the past now. User:Smileyrepublic 11:34, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== Talk page vandalism ==
Sorry guys, I had to do a really messy revert. Looks like our article-blanking friend got by. You may find the previous discussions in the page history. Again, I apologize. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 19:33, Jun 14, 2005 (UTC)
== 212.100.150.x ==
This IP range seems to do little other than vandalise the Manchester article. Where would be the best place to request a block be put on it? User:Smileyrepublic 10:49, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:As an admin, I will deal with him as soon as I get back from work. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 11:01, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
So you are going to deal with me are you. We are so scared!!. No really we are terrified. I just took at look at your info page. I presume you do not have a girl friend?. Maybe you should get out of the house a little more and find a girl friend I am sure it would do you the power of good!. As soon as the offending material on Manchester ( items suggesting it is the second city ) are removed, then we can move on. It realy is not our intention to annoy but we are also annoyed with such articals. birmingham_free_state@gawab.com
:Try signing your posts with ~~~~ instead of your email address. Nope, don't have a girlfriend, but why does that even matter? Now give me proof that Manchester isn't the second city. Otherwise, go away. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 01:20, Jun 19, 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks. There are actually some decent constructive edits being done by a BBC anon now. User:Smileyrepublic
== Page protection ==
Just a heads up: In a few hours, the article page will be protected until futher notice while we figure out an appropriate way to deal with the vandalism. If you want to make an edit during the protection period, PM me and I will allow you to edit it. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 15:25, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC)
I am unprotecting the page again. If there is another blanking incident concerning the status as "second city", it will be dealt with swiftly. Remember to Wikipedia:Be bold, but you better cite your sources. User:Linuxbeak | User_talk:Linuxbeak | User:Linuxbeak/Desk 14:56, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)
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Manchester
:''This article is about the city in England. For alternative meanings, see Manchester (disambiguation).'' Manchester is a city in the North West England of England. The metropolitan borough of Manchester, with a population of 422,302, lies at the heart of a large conurbation called Greater Manchester, with a population of 2,513,468. The term "Manchester" is often used to refer to the entire conurbation, much as "London" is usually used to mean Greater London, but many of the constituent parts of Greater Manchester, such as Salford, Wigan and Bolton, also have separate identities. People from Manchester are called Mancunians. Manchester is perhaps best known for its nightlife and its music scene. In recent years many have come to regard it as England's second city, a claim traditionally made by Birmingham. This is backed by a MORI poll of the British people which identified Manchester as "England's Second City". It is also backed by statements by both the Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Minister, who both stated in public that they regard Manchester as the UK's second city. [[Image:ManchesterTownHall_OwlofDoom.jpg|thumbnail|right|290px|Manchester Town Hall is an example of the Victorian architecture found in Manchester and is the home of [http://www.manchester.gov.uk/ Manchester City Council] ]] ==History== ''Main article History of Manchester'' The Manchester area was settled in Roman Empire times: general Gnaeus Julius Agricola called a fort he set up there ''Mamucium'', meaning "breast shaped hill". A facsimile of a Roman fort exists in Castlefield. {| border=1 cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0" align="right" width=230 |- !colspan=2 align=center bgcolor="#ff9999"|City of Manchester |- |colspan=2 align=center| |- !colspan=2 bgcolor="#ff9999"|Geography |- |width="45%"|Status:||Metropolitan borough, City (1853) |- |Regions of England:||North West England |- |Ceremonial County:||Greater Manchester |- |Surface area:
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Manchester City Council
http://www.manchester.gov.uk/ |- |Local_government_in_England#Councils_and_councillors:||Leader & Cabinet |- |Executive:||Labour Party (UK) |- |MPs elected in the UK general election, 2005:||Paul Goggins, Gerald Kaufman, John Leech (politician), Tony Lloyd, Graham Stringer |} In the 14th Century Manchester became home to a community of Flemish weavers, who settled in the town to produce wool and linen, thus beginning the tradition of cloth manufacture. Manchester remained a small market town until the Industrial Revolution, beginning in the 18th century. Its damp climate made it and the surrounding area ideal for cotton processing, and, with the development of steam-powered engines for spinning and weaving, the cotton industry quickly developed throughout the region (eg Quarry Bank Mill in Styal, Cheshire). Manchester quickly grew into the most important industrial centre in the world. Trafford Park, south west of Manchester, became the first industrial estate in the world, feeding Manchester's industrial growth, and is still the biggest in Europe. Trafford Park contains, among others, the Kellogg Company Europe, Rolls Royce, Manchester United Football Club and the Trafford Centre. Trafford Park was also the first place outside North America that the Ford Motor Company produced the Model T car, in 1911. The Midland Hotel in Manchester, originally built by the Midland Railway company, which owned the adjacent Central Station (now the G-Mex) to attract businessmen to the area, was the building in which Rolls met Royce in 1904, leading to the incorporation of Rolls Royce. The Midland Hotel was also coveted by Hitler as a possible Nazi headquarters in Britain. Manchester's population exploded as people moved away from the surrounding countryside and into the city seeking new opportunities. Its growth was also aided by its proximity to Liverpool's ports and the emerging canal and rail networks. Manchester became the world's first industrial city, and the model for industrial development throughout the western world. The proximity of Liverpool and the similarity in size of the two centres has led to a rivalry between the two cities that has not always been amicable. At 11.20 am on Saturday 15 June 1996 the Provisional Irish Republican Army detonated a large 1996 Manchester City Centre bombing. The consequent reconstruction has spurred a massive regeneration of the city centre, with complexes such as the Printworks and the Triangle creating new city focal points for both shopping and entertainment. In 2002, the city hosted the 2002_Commonwealth_Games very successfully, earning praise from many previously sceptical sources. The city has twice failed in its bid to host the Olympic Games, losing to Atlanta, Georgia in 1996 and Sydney in 2000. Rapidly developing institutions always attract crime and disorder, and Manchester is no exception. (see main article ''crime and policing in Manchester''.) ==Culture== ===Art galleries=== There are many art gallery in Manchester, notably: * Lowry Centre in Salford Quays, which houses works by the Salford painter L. S. Lowry * The Athenaeum * Salford Museum and Art Gallery * Manchester Art Gallery * The Whitworth Art Gallery * The Chinese Arts Centre * Cornerhouse * The Castlefield Gallery * Cube Gallery * Comme Ca Art Gallery * The Barn Gallery ===Museums=== Museums in Manchester include: * Greater Manchester Police Museum * Imperial War Museum North * Manchester Jewish Museum * Manchester Museum * Museum of Science and Industry in Manchester * Pankhurst Centre * People's History Museum * Urbis centre, Manchester, a museum of city life ===Classical music=== Manchester is home to two symphony orchestras, the Hallé Orchestra and the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra. There is also a chamber orchestra, the Manchester Camerata. For many years the city's main classical venue was the Free Trade Hall on Peter Street. Since 1996, however, Manchester has had a modern 2,500 seat concert venue called the Bridgewater Hall, which is also home to the Hallé Orchestra. The hall is one of the country's most technically advanced classical music and lecture venues, with an acoustically designed interior and suspended foundations for an optimum sound. Other venues for classical concerts include the Royal Northern College of Music, the Royal Exchange Theatre, Manchester and Manchester Cathedral. Manchester is a centre for musical education, being home to the Royal Northern College of Music and Chetham's School of Music. In the 1950s the city was home to the so-called "Manchester School" of classical composers, which comprised Harrison Birtwistle, Peter Maxwell Davies and Alexander Goehr. ===Popular music === For Mancunians, the History of popular music in Manchester of the city has always been a source of great pride. The city's eclectic mix of music has created the sense among its inhabitants that Manchester is the most important city in world music. Although Manchester had an impressive music scene before 1976 (with groups like The Hollies, The Bee Gees and 10cc, and with Top of the Pops being recorded by the BBC in the city), undoubtedly the key moment in Manchester’s musical history occurred on 4 June 1976, when the Sex Pistols, at the invitation of Howard Devoto & Pete Shelley (of the Buzzcocks), arrived at the Manchester Lesser Free Trade Hall in Castlefield to play a legendary gig—legendary, because in spite of an audience of fewer than 42 people, several key members of Manchester’s future music scene were present: Tony Wilson Granada TV presenter and creator of Factory Records, Ian Curtis, Peter Hook, Bernard Sumner (of Joy Division (band) & New Order), Morrissey—later to form The Smiths with Johnny Marr—producer Martin Hannett, and Mick Hucknall of Simply Red. Soon after this gig, Tony Wilson created Factory Records and signed Joy Division. With the industrial revolution as its model, Factory Records played upon Manchester's traditions, invoking at once the apparently incongruous images of the industrial north and the glamorous pop art world of Andy Warhol. It was Factory's Joy Division who somehow managed to grimly define what exactly it was to be a Mancunian as the 1970s drew to an end. At the same time, and out of the same post punk energy, emerged Mark_e_smith’s ground breaking group The Fall (band), who would become one of the most inventive, original and prolific groups of the next three decades. The group that would ultimately become the definitive Manchester group of the 1980s was The Smiths, lead by Morrissey and Johnny Marr. With songs like 'Rusholme Ruffians' and 'Suffer Little Children', Morrissey sang explicitly about Manchester, creating images that are as iconic of Manchester as the paintings of L. S. Lowry. As the 1980s drew to a close, a new energy arrived in Manchester, fuelled by the drug ecstasy. A new scene developed around The Haçienda night club (again part of the Factory Records ‘empire’), creating what would become known as the Madchester scene, – the main proponents being the Happy Mondays, The Inspiral Carpets, and The Stone Roses. The history of the Manchester music scene over this period was loosely dramatised in Michael Winterbottom's 2002 film ''24 Hour Party People''. After the "Madchester" period, Manchester music lost much of its provincial energy, though many successful and interesting acts were still to emerge. Other notable musical acts in Manchester have been Take That, 808 State, M People, Oasis (band), James_(band), Badly Drawn Boy, Michael McGoldrick, Elbow (band), Mr Scruff, Lamb (band) and Doves (band). Morrissey and The Fall (band) along with Gold Blade still continue to produce original ground breaking music. Manchester's main popular music venue is the Manchester Evening News Arena, which seats over 20,000, and is the largest arena of its type in Europe. Other venues major include the Manchester Apollo and the Manchester Academy. The many smaller venues throughout the city, such as the Roadhouse and Night and Day Cafe, ensure that Manchester’s music scene is always vibrant and interesting. ''See list of Manchester List of bands from Manchester ===Gay and Lesbian=== Manchester has the UK's largest gay population outside of London, and is renowned for its gay village; centred around the Canal Street, Manchester area the gay village is home to various gay shops, restaurants, numerous bars and clubs, and each August bank holiday hosts the Manchester Pride Festival (previously known as Mardi Gras and Gayfest). Manchester's gay culture was brought to mainstream attention in 1999 by the acclaimed and controversial Channel 4 drama series Queer as Folk (UK) , which portrayed life in the village. The year round [http://www.manchesterpride.com/whatson.asp?ID=96 gay and lesbian heritage trail] exhibits Manchester's colourful and often dark gay history. Manchester's status as gay capital of the UK was affirmed in 2003 when it played host city to the annual Europride festival. ===Literature=== [[Image:Manchester Central Library.jpg|thumb|Manchester Central Library]] Famous writers to come from the Manchester area include Elizabeth Gaskell, and Anthony Burgess who wrote 'A Clockwork Orange', later adapted into a film by Stanley Kubrick. W. G. Sebald lived in Manchester when he first came to England, and it features prominently in his novel ''The Emigrants.'' Jeff Noon, the author of Vurt, writes novels which take place in Manchester. The Writer's Bureau also runs its offices from the city. Manchester is home to the Manchester Metropolitan University Writers School, one of the top creative writing schools in the country. ===Theatre=== Manchester is noted for its excellent theatres, among them: * Contact Theatre, a theatre for young people with a bold contemporary design * The Green Room (Manchester), a small fringe venue * The Library Theatre, a small producing theatre situated in the basement of the city's central library * The Lowry Centre, a large touring venue in Salford * The Manchester Opera House, a commercial theatre promoting large scale touring shows which regularly plays host to touring West End shows * The Palace Theatre, another large scale commercial theatre * The Royal Exchange Theatre, Manchester, a large producing theatre located in Manchester's former cotton exchange The city is also home to two highly-regarded drama schools; The Manchester Metropolitan University School of Theatre and the Arden School of Theatre. ===Architecture=== Manchester has a wide variety of buildings from Victorian architecture through to modern. Much of the architecture in the city harks back to its former days as a global centre for the cotton trade. Many warehouses have now been converted for other uses but the external appearance remains mostly unchanged so the city maintains much of its original character. Structures of interest in Manchester include: * The Corn Exchange, Manchester (now the Triangle shopping centre) * The G-Mex Centre * Imperial War Museum North by Daniel Libeskind and Lowry Footbridge * Beetham Tower, due for completion in 2006 * John Rylands Library, Deansgate * London Road Fire Station (Manchester) * Manchester Central Library, St Peter's Square, by E. Vincent Harris * Manchester Town Hall by Alfred Waterhouse, extended by E. Vincent Harris * Midland Bank building, King Street, Manchester (now HSBC), King Street by Sir Edwin Lutyens * The Midland Hotel (Manchester) * Piccadilly Gardens by Tadao Ando * The Portico Library * The Royal Exchange, Manchester * South Manchester Synagogue * Strangeways Prison by Waterhouse * Sunlight House * Trinity Bridge over River Irwell by Santiago Calatrava * Manchester Victoria station * The Victoria Baths (Manchester) ===Public monuments=== * The Alan Turing Memorial * The Albert Square, Manchester, by Thomas Worthington (architect) * B of the Bang, Britain's tallest sculpture * The Queen Victoria statue (Manchester) statue, Piccadilly Gardens by Edward Onslow Ford * Monument to Abraham Lincoln in Lincoln Square, marking the cotton famine of 1861-5 ===Media=== The BBC has its north-west headquarters in New Broadcasting House on Manchester's Oxford Road, while Granada Television also has its original headquarters in the Castlefield area of the city. The city is the main television broadcasting centre outside London. The BBC will soon move its sport, BBC Radio Five Live, new media, children's television and other departments to the city. The city's main newspaper is the Manchester Evening News and the city is home to local radio stations such as BBC GMR, Key 103, Galaxy Manchester, Piccadilly Magic 1152, 105.4 Century FM and Smooth FM 100.4, Capital Gold 1458, as well as some smaller stations. Xfm Manchester is to begin broadcasting later in 2005. The Guardian newspaper was founded in Manchester in 1821 as ''The Manchester Guardian''. Its head office is in Manchester, though many of its management functions were moved to London in 1964. It still shares a Manchester office on Deansgate with its sister publication, the Manchester Evening News. ===Universities=== Manchester is home to two University: The University of Manchester and Manchester Metropolitan University. The former is the largest full-time non-collegiate university in Britain, and was created in autumn 2004 by the merger of the former Victoria University of Manchester with UMIST. Together with nearby Salford University, and the Royal Northern College of Music, these give the area a student population in excess of 65,000. This is one of the biggest student populations in Europe. ===Sport=== Sport and especially football are an important part of Manchester culture. Two major football (soccer) clubs, Manchester United F.C. and Manchester City F.C, bear the city's name. Manchester United's Old Trafford (football) ground, the largest club football ground in England, is just outside the city proper, in the borough of Trafford. These football teams are just two examples: according to the Urbis centre, Manchester Manchester has the highest concentration of football clubs per capita of anywhere in the world. Other football teams in Greater Manchester include Oldham Athletic A.F.C., Stockport County F.C., Bury F.C., Wigan Athletic F.C., Rochdale F.C. and Bolton Wanderers F.C.. The legacy of the Commonwealth Games includes many first class sporting facilities such as the Manchester velodrome, the City of Manchester Stadium, the National Squash Centre and the Manchester Aquatics Centre. Old Trafford (cricket) cricket ground, home of Lancashire County Cricket Club, hosts many first-class cricket matches including Test Matches. Manchester is also represented in Rugby Union by Sale Sharks and Manchester RU, who currently play their home games at Edgeley Park in Stockport; and in Rugby League by Wigan Warriors, who share the JJB Stadium with Wigan Athletic, and Salford City Reds, who are currently in the process of constructing a new state-of-the-art stadium. ==Transport== ===Air=== Manchester International Airport is the third-largest airport in the UK (after London Heathrow Airport and London Gatwick Airport). In 2003 it handled 20 million passengers and provided direct flights to over 180 destinations worldwide by over 90 airlines. ===Road=== The main roads serving Manchester are the M56 motorway, M6 motorway, M60 motorway, M61 motorway, M62 motorway and M66 motorway motorways. This accounts for a large percentage of the UK's motorway network and is the best network provided for any city in the UK outside of London. Manchester and the surrounding area have a good bus network, with regular services in and out of the city connecting to all the satellite towns and villages. Maps of bus routes and a public transport journey planner for the Greater Manchester can be found on the [http://www.gmpte.com GMPTE website] ===Rail=== The city has two major stations, Manchester Victoria and Manchester Piccadilly, linking Manchester to the rest of the United Kingdom. There are also many smaller local stations, such as Manchester Oxford Road station. ===Metrolink=== Despite Manchester's size, it does not have an underground train system, such as the famous London Underground or the Glasgow Subway. Instead, the city has a light rail system called the Manchester Metrolink. Operated by Serco, Metrolink links the city centre to Altrincham, Eccles, Greater Manchester and Bury. Plans to extend Manchester Metrolink into the surrounding towns and boroughs that form Greater Manchester have recently been resurrected. Greater Manchester Passenger Transport Executive (the Passenger Transport Executive responsible for the Greater Manchester area) is leading the fight to ensure that the extensions are built, with significant support from local councils and community. ===Buses=== The city's buses are operated by a range of companies including First Bus, Stagecoach (incorporating the lower-cost Magic Bus), Finglands, UK North and R. Bullock. Most major routes are well provided for, including Oxford Road/Wilmslow Road, one of the busiest routes in Europe, bringing large numbers of students from Fallowfield and Withington into the city centre. ===Water=== One legacy of the industrial revolution is an extensive network of Canal: the Manchester, Bolton & Bury Canal, Rochdale Canal, Manchester Ship Canal which provides access to the sea, Bridgewater Canal, Ashton Canal and the Leigh Branch of the Leeds & Liverpool Canal. Today, most of these canals are used for recreation. ==Shopping== Manchester is the only urban area in the country to be able to boast two indoor shopping centres, each with over 280 stores. The first is the Arndale Centre in the middle of the city, the largest city-centre shopping centre in Europe. The second is the out-of-town Trafford Centre which boasts a massive food hall, multi-screen cinema and Namco games centre. Other shopping centres are provided, including The Triangle which caters for a more youthful clientele. The city also provides two Selfridges department stores, a Harvey Nichols store, the largest Next store in the UK and a large John Lewis Partnership department store. There is also a range of designer clothing stores including Tommy Hilfiger, DKNY, and Louis Vuitton. Alternative tastes are catered for by Affleck's Palace on Oldham Street, a building which provides low-cost stalls for independent start-up traders and creatives, and has become popular among students and younger Mancunians. ==Places== ===Manchester urban area=== Towns in the Manchester urban area include Salford, Sale, Greater Manchester, Altrincham, Cheadle, Stockport, Ashton-under-Lyne, and Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport and Stretford. Places like Trafford and Salford can be considered part of the Manchester urban area in a way that Wigan (borough) or Bolton (borough) are not. ===Borough of Manchester=== Places in the City of Manchester include: *Ardwick *Baguley *Barlow Moor *Benchill *Blackley *Bramhall *Burnage *Cheetham Hill *Clayton, Greater Manchester *Chorlton-cum-Hardy *Crumpsall *Didsbury *Fallowfield *Gorton *Harpurhey *Hulme *Levenshulme *Longsight *Miles Platting *Moss Side *Moston, Greater Manchester *Newton Heath *Northenden *Rusholme *Sharston *Withington *Whalley Range *Wythenshawe ===Streets and plazas in Manchester=== *Albert Square, Manchester *Canal Street, Manchester *Deansgate, Manchester *King Street, Manchester *Piccadilly Gardens *Wilmslow Road ==See also== *Manchester City Centre *Manchester air disaster (1985) *Royal Manchester Children's Hospital *List of bands from Manchester ==Bibliography== *Manchester architecture **''Manchester''. Clare Hartwell. Pevsner Architectural Guides ISBN 0300096666 **''Manchester: A guide to recent architecture''. David Hands and Sarah Parker. Ellipsis. ISBN 1899858776 **''Manchester - an Architectural History'' John Parkinson Bailey. Manchester University Press. ISBN 0719056063 *General **''The City Life Guide to Manchester: 6th edition''. ISBN 0954446070 **''The Mancunian Way'' Published by Clinamen Press ISBN 1903083818 **''Manchester - a Celebration''. Brian Redhead. André Deutsch Limited, London. ISBN 0233988165 **''Victorian Manchester & Salford''. Published in 1988 by Ryburn Publishing Limited. ISBN 1853310069 *Manchester culture **''Morrissey's Manchester: The Essential Smiths Tour'' Phil Gatenby ISBN 1901746283 **''Manchester, England. The story of the pop cult city''. Dave Haslam ISBN 1841151467 **''And God Created Manchester''. Sarah Champion. Wordsmith. ISBN 1873205015 **''The Hacienda Must be Built''. Edited by Jon Savage. International Music Publications ISBN 0863598579 ==External links== *[http://www.visitmanchester.com Visit Manchester] Official tourist board for Greater Manchester *[http://www.agma.gov.uk AGMA] The Association of Greater Manchester Authorities *[http://www.manchester.gov.uk Manchester City Council] *[http://manchester.eb.cx Manchester @ eb.cx] A web site dedicated to the city of Manchester (under construction) *[http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk Manchester Online] Manchester Online by the Manchester Evening News: cinema, travel, tourist information and accommodation guide. *[http://www.manchesterguide.com Manchester Guide] Manchester Guide, for everything that's going on in Manchester *[http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/ Welcome to Manchester, England] Manchester the City and Metropolitan County of Greater Manchester *[http://www.imagesofcities.com/photos1-.php Photos of Manchester, Salford & conurbation] *[http://www.manchester.com/ Virtual Manchester] club, pub, restaurant, cinema guides, news and features about Manchester *[http://www.manchestercivic.org.uk/ Manchester Civic Society] a charitable civic society "fostering a sense of pride in Manchester" *[http://www.manchester-eating.com/ Manchester Restaurant Guide] *[http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/CityProfiles/Manchester/index.htm LoveMyTown - City of Manchester] civic pride facts and organisations in Manchester *[http://www.manchesterwiki.co.uk/ Manchester Wiki] *[http://manchester.openguides.org Open Guide to Manchester] another wiki guide to Manchester *[http://www.itchymanchester.co.uk Itchy Manchester] Tourist guide catering for younger visitors Cities in England Greater Manchester la:Mamucium
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==''Second largest conurbation in the UK''== I have this source: http://www.cec.org.uk/info/pubs/regional/nw/chap1p4.htm :The Greater Manchester conurbation has a population of 2.5 million, which :represents almost two-fifths of the North West’s total population; it is :the second largest conurbation in the UK. Do you have anything more authoritative? - User:Khendon 08:25 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :How about wikipedia! Birmingham... this would need to be corrected too if its wrong. "Greater Manchester" is a bit misleading, as there are several large cities in the Greater Manchester area that are technically seperate authorities. However the same applies to London in this sense, and getting a firm grip on population could be difficult. User:Greg Godwin 08:51 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) That's why it specifically talks about the "conurbation". The Birmingham article isn't wrong either, AFAIK - it talks about the city of Birmingham, rather than the conurbation around it. Greater Manchester is made up of two cities and a collection of towns that are *administratively* separate, but it's all part of one cohesive urban "sprawl". Talking about the population of just the city of Manchester would be (as you note) as misleading as talking about just the city of London. - User:Khendon 09:19 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) conurbation :But the Birmingham page says it it forms part of a large conurbation of over four million. This would easily exceed the 2.5 million quoted for Manchester. One of these pages must be wrong. -- User:Chris Q 09:33 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) : OK I am sure it is the third largest so I've decided to "be bold" "Although the population of Manchester City is only 400,000 and of Greater Manchester, 2.5 million" from http://www.commonwealthgames.ca/eng/publication/cdm/cdm0400.htm. "Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK and has a population of over 1 million" from http://www.locatebirmingham.org.uk/pages/images/pdf_files/Key_Fact_Pack_1_in_full_colour.pdf Why not forget the whole "conurbation" thing altogether, and just state the facts. Birmingham is the second largest city in the UK. User:Greg Godwin 12:40 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :Its OK with me if you want to do that ! -- User:Chris Q 12:44 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) The problem with removing the "conurbation" idea and just talking about the city of Manchester is it would give a misleading impression. - User:Khendon 12:53 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :I cant see an issue though. The City of Manchester has a population of 400,000 - Greater Manchester has a population of 2.5 million, why don't we just put the 400,000 in Manchester and the conurbation size in Greater Manchester, it makes perfect sense - User:Greg Godwin And would you support the same criteria being applied to London? - User:Khendon 12:59 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :As a compromise, why not state the population of Manchester as 400,000 but in parathesis note that the conurbation is upwards of 2.5 million. As we have a page on Greater Manchester it shouldn't be a problem. I'm not sure on population of the City of London, but I suspect it is greater than Birmingham and certainly larger than Manchester. Population of the City of London was 5200 in 1998, according to City of London - User:Khendon 13:06 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) :he-he I was a little bit off then! Birmingham is commonly recognised as the second largest city in the UK, at least from everything I've read. Although I think everybody is arguing the same point here, as we have two different definations (city/conurbation) and two matching results (400,000/2.5 million). Lets just mention both figures, I can't see why not. User:Greg Godwin 13:21 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Let me throw a cat amoung the pigeons, Manchester is the ''sixth'' largets city! From [http://www.statistics.gov.uk/census2001/pdfs/sc0010.pdf] National Statistics: *Birmingham (1,013,431) *Leeds (727,389) *Sheffield (531,141) *Bradford (483,285) *Liverpool (461,481) *Manchester (429,812) *Bristol (402,310) *Croydon (338,217) *Cardiff (320,940) *Wakefield (318,804) *Dudley (311,468) *Wigan (310,491) *Coventry (304,334) So by city size Machester is sixth in England and Wales! :Yes, but that's divided along arbitrary administrative divisions. Imagine :you had a map of the country, colour-coded by urbanisation. There would :be a distinct cohesive urban area around each "city proper". That's the :most useful size to use when comparing cities. Anyway, I think the :article is now clear and accurate enough for everyone, isn't it? - User:Khendon 14:01 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Making claims on city size/comparisons is always going to be controversial. To think that there are only 5200 people in London!... User:Greg Godwin :Controversial, but too important to skip over, I think. - User:Khendon 15:27 Sep 26, 2002 (UTC) Today's scores (from the 4 Wikipedia articles) *Manchester 391,000 *Birmingham 1,013,431 *Birmingham conurbation "around 2.2 million" *Manchester conurbation 2,438,000 *Greater Manchester "about 2.5 million" *West Midlands 2,552,000 User:Andy G 23:29 13 Jul 2003 (UTC) :Census of 29 April 2001: :*Manchester 392,819; Greater Manchester 2,482,352 :*Birmingham 977,091; West Midlands (county) 2,555,596. :That isn't really the point, though: for one thing, the counties in neither case represent the city even at its widest extent (Bolton and Wigan aren't in Manchester any more than Coventry or Wolverhampton are in Bormingham, though they're all in the respective metropolitan counties). The real issue is that Manchester is ludicrously underbounded in comparison with say Leeds, while Birmingham is ''about'' right. If Manchester had enjoyed the same kind of boundary extension that Birmingham experienced in 1891-1931 it would be approaching a similar size - and I'm not talking here about conurbations, which can often lump together independent urban areas of similar rank. :I still think that leaves Birmingham securely Britain's second city, but it shows that we have to be careful in throwing out rankings - I'd put Liverpool and Manchester ahead of Leeds, Sheffield and Bradford in "real" terms, ie disregarding purely administrative boundaries: as for Wakefield, Dudley and Wigan (about 310,000 apiece for the administrative area, which in each case includes neighbouring towns), I doubt any would come close to 100,000 on a similar definition. Oh, and Newcastle should be up there too with about 450,000 once Gateshead is included. :User:Graculus (how do you do that time thing?) ------ The Office for National Statistics publish official figures for conurbations from the 2001 census. http://www.statistics.gov.uk/statbase/Expodata/Spreadsheets/D8271.xls Greater Manchester Urban Area - 2,244,931 West Midlands Urban Area - 2,284,093 So whether you measure it by city, conurbation or metropolitan county, Manchester is still smaller than Birmingham. Billy. ---- re the number of universities: it was announced last week that the University of Manchester and UMIST are to merge, so someone should be ready to make the appropriate changes when it actually happens! User:Arwel Parry 15:16 Mar 9, 2003 (UTC) ===population=== I have adjusted the population statistics upwards because the original cesus figures have been shown to be incorrect and have been revised upwards: ''see here'' [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/3240307.stm] just in case anyone was wondering User:G-Man 19:09, 10 Nov 2003 (UTC) ===Tiresome=== Am I alone in finding this Second City stuff tiresome? Do we think that the user will come to this article to learn about Manchester is interested either? In any case, surely Glasgow is the Second city of the UK. It used to be the ''Second City of the Empire''! I suggest a separate article Second city of England where the debate can continue for those who care.User:Cutler 10:04, Jan 11, 2005 (UTC) *Rest assured, you're not alone. But before anyone decides to fill in those red links, there is already a second city article with a UK section, where the whole issue has been played out in the past, and continues to linger on.We had it down to the bare bones before xmas, and that looked pretty good, but I think it's got flabby again since. I've been embroiled in second city arguments before and can see with confidence that all it does in the end is mess up decent articles. It's wreaking havoc with this one. User:Mattley 10:17, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==ManU== The recent addition that ''Old Trafford'' (ManU's ground) is in Trafford, is of course right. However, to someone not familiar with M'cr this sounds as if it was out somewhere... how can we bring in that Trafford is part of Greater Manchester? User:Kokiri 09:35, 10 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==Grauniad== The article should probably make some mention of The Guardian, altho I am unsure where and how... -- User:Cimon avaro 13:42, Feb 19, 2004 (UTC) :The 'media' section seems the best place, as it already mentions the Guardian's sister publication, the Manchester Evening News. I added a sentence and link. --User:David Edgar 15:43, 29 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Merge with City Centre article== Since the Manchester page is really about the City of Manchester, I think it should be merged with Manchester City Centre. What do people think? User:Bornslippy 12:55, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC) : I agree. I made a few comments on Talk:Manchester City Centre. --User:David Edgar 09:30, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==POV and Bomb== It it really POV to say that it's ''fortunate'' that civilians escaped injury from a bomb? No matter who placed it. User:Cutler 13:57, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC) == Popular Music == I've completey rewritten the popular music section - I have a feeling that this may be too long for this kind of article. :Maybe you should create a separate article - something like History of popular music in Manchester? User:Nick Smale ==TV, music, Sex Pistols etc== "Although Manchester had an impressive music scene before 1976 ( with groups like The Hollies, The Bee Gees and 10cc, and with Top of the Pops being recorded at Granada TV studios), undoubtedly the key moment in Manchester’s musical history occurred on June 4th 1976 when the Sex Pistols at the invitation of Howard Devoto & Pete Shelley (of the Buzzcocks) arrived at the Lesser Free Trade Hall in Manchester City Centre to play a legendary gig..." I have two problems with the above section. * Firstly, the BBC has its own studios in Manchester. Why would it have recorded Top of the Pops at the studio of its main northern rival? * Secondly, the original text has a wikilink to "Free Trade Hall" from the text "Lesser Free Trade Hall". I never attended any gig at the Lesser Free Trade Hall, but it's my understanding that the venue was not directly related to the Free Trade Hall, that it was just an ironic name chosen by a club, in reference to the latter's reputation as a high culture classical music venue. Can anyone comment on this? Sometimes I think I must be one of the few people who were in Manchester in 1976 who have never claimed to have been in the tiny audience at the legendary Sex Pistols gigs at the Lesser FTH in 1976. I ''did'' see Rik Mayall and, I think, Ade Edmondson perform in some grotty student revue in 1977, though. They were shite. --User:Tony_Sidaway|
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