User:Alai 00:35, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) Thank you! I've been here quite a while as an anonymous. --User:MWAK 05:38, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) == Hi. My watchlist shows that you were interested enough to work on a military-topic article, so I wanted to make sure you were aware of the new Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) project, in case you didn't see any of the announcements. — User:Bobby D. Bryant 22:32, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Thank you! I in fact wasn't aware of the project, but having read the guidelines I believe I've probably always applied them. I hope :o). --User:MWAK 06:04, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Limburgish language == You added to the article: "As Limburgish gradually fades into more eastern dialects, it's in Germany typically combined with these in a so-called ''Limburgisch-Bergisch'' group, from which then most often the dialects spoken in The Netherlands and Belgium are again excluded." I don't understand the second part of the sentence (''from which ... excluded''); it seems to say that Limburgisch-Bergisch contains only the dialects speaken in Germany, in which case it should be called Bergisch, shouldn't it? Or is there also a part of Germany called Limburg? Thanks, and sorry for my ignorance (I had to look up where das Bergisches Land is, even though I'm originally from quite nearby). User:Jitse Niesen 14:37, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Well I was ignorant too, for I said to user Sarcelles that the town of Limburg (the origin of the name for the region) was in Germany, while it's in fact located south of Dutch Limburg in Belgium. However, the original duchy of Limburg extended into present Germany. So, yes, there is a German Limburg. The deeper reason for the German usage is a lack of consistency though: they first construct a higher level group including the "Dutch" dialects and then limit their scope to the "German" part only, while keeping the more inclusive name, using history as a pretext to avoid difficult questions about the relationship between the two standard languages, like: ''Why are there two standard languages for the same dialect continuum in the first place?''; ''Are the Dutch really German?''; ''Are Germans really Dutch?'' and ''If I don't like the way German culture has developed in the past centuries, can I switch sides and become Dutch?'' (The Dutch in 1945 seriously proposed to the Allies to "dutchify" large parts of Germany this way!) etc. ;o)--User:MWAK 07:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Calais == I'm afraid I do not. In the common language, Calais is a Channel port. You note the Chunnel, but also the Channel Ferries use Calais. This is because the Strait of Dover is considered part of the Channel. Read English Channel, which correctly notes this. The Channel is the ''entire'' waterway that joins the North Sea to the Atlantic. Note if you will the list of ports we give in that article. User:Grace Note 02:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC) It is not a question of judgement whether the spider is an insect. The definition of insect precludes it. The definition of insect is also what is commonly used. When the two clash, one must prevail. It is still the common parlance that we use, not some particularly restricted or specialised idea of spider. However, it is a question of judgement whether Calais lies on the Channel or it does not. Why can the whole of the strait not be included in the Channel? Certainly that is what is commonly done. The Channel Tunnel goes under it; the Channel ferries cross it. They have never felt they must divert to the other side of Cap Gris Nez to avoid a solecism in their name. Do you have a source for your contention that the North Sea stretches to Cap Gris Nez? Do you have one for your belief that seaways must be one thing or another and cannot overlap? If you will provide good sources for your belief, I'll join you in correcting the articles for the English Channel, Strait of Dover and others. We'll need to correct the erroneous beliefs about Channel crossings (some firsts were made between Dover and Calais), the erroneous notion of the Channel ferries, the Channel Tunnel will need to mention that it doesn't go under the Channel at all and should be called the, erm, North Sea Tunnel because Sangatte is also east of Cap Gris Nez.User:Grace Note 08:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC) :Well, all North Sea Treaties since 1908 used the line Cape Gris-Nez - South Foreland as boundary. :o) But that's beside the point. It's a simple matter of conceptual coherency. Certainly seaways can overlap: and the Strait of Dover, being the connection between The Channel and the North Sea indeed overlaps both. The part south of the smallest point (i.e. south of Cape Gris-Nez) belongs to The Channel and the part north of it belongs to the North Sea. This is simply what it ''means'' to be a connection. And you wouldn't deny that the North Sea is connected to The Channel by the Strait of Dover, would you? But I have to admit topography is so conventional in nature these first principles might have to cede to common usage anyway, utterly silly as it might be. So it is my better judgement to cease defending the cause of conceptual clarity against the entrenched forces of ''British'' tradition...;o) --User:MWAK 10:35, 2 May 2005 (UTC) Yes, you picked me right. Us Brits don't like conceptual clarity half as much as a good old-fashioned muddle ;-) User:Grace Note 07:22, 3 May 2005 (UTC) ::Then perhaps we should start a new tradition of calling Calais a North Sea Channel port :o)--User:MWAK 13:00, 3 May 2005 (UTC) == Did you know? == :I'm honoured!--User:MWAK 12:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC) == Limburgish and pitch accent == I noticed that you seem to be familliar with the Limburgish language. I've commented on its talk page on the article's questionable use of the term tonal language, mentioning that I've written a draft new version of the article pitch accent at User:Alarm/Pitch accent. Since this article mentions Limburgish as an example, I would really value any input from people familliar with it. If you have the time and energy to take a look, I would appreciate any comments and/or suggestions for expansion. / User:Alarm 13:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC) :I'll see whether I have any meaningful contributions to make - but even before having looked at that talk page I think I know what the problem is ;o). --User:MWAK 09:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC) == ''Tredagh'' 1654 = HMS ''Resolution'' 1660 == Well spotted! User:Gdr 13:37, 2005 May 29 (UTC) :Thank you! :o)--User:MWAK 16:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
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User:Alai 00:35, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) Thank you! I've been here quite a while as an anonymous. --User:MWAK 05:38, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) == Hi. My watchlist shows that you were interested enough to work on a military-topic article, so I wanted to make sure you were aware of the new Wikipedia:Naming conventions (military units) project, in case you didn't see any of the announcements. — User:Bobby D. Bryant 22:32, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Thank you! I in fact wasn't aware of the project, but having read the guidelines I believe I've probably always applied them. I hope :o). --User:MWAK 06:04, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Limburgish language == You added to the article: "As Limburgish gradually fades into more eastern dialects, it's in Germany typically combined with these in a so-called ''Limburgisch-Bergisch'' group, from which then most often the dialects spoken in The Netherlands and Belgium are again excluded." I don't understand the second part of the sentence (''from which ... excluded''); it seems to say that Limburgisch-Bergisch contains only the dialects speaken in Germany, in which case it should be called Bergisch, shouldn't it? Or is there also a part of Germany called Limburg? Thanks, and sorry for my ignorance (I had to look up where das Bergisches Land is, even though I'm originally from quite nearby). User:Jitse Niesen 14:37, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Well I was ignorant too, for I said to user Sarcelles that the town of Limburg (the origin of the name for the region) was in Germany, while it's in fact located south of Dutch Limburg in Belgium. However, the original duchy of Limburg extended into present Germany. So, yes, there is a German Limburg. The deeper reason for the German usage is a lack of consistency though: they first construct a higher level group including the "Dutch" dialects and then limit their scope to the "German" part only, while keeping the more inclusive name, using history as a pretext to avoid difficult questions about the relationship between the two standard languages, like: ''Why are there two standard languages for the same dialect continuum in the first place?''; ''Are the Dutch really German?''; ''Are Germans really Dutch?'' and ''If I don't like the way German culture has developed in the past centuries, can I switch sides and become Dutch?'' (The Dutch in 1945 seriously proposed to the Allies to "dutchify" large parts of Germany this way!) etc. ;o)--User:MWAK 07:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Calais == I'm afraid I do not. In the common language, Calais is a Channel port. You note the Chunnel, but also the Channel Ferries use Calais. This is because the Strait of Dover is considered part of the Channel. Read English Channel, which correctly notes this. The Channel is the ''entire'' waterway that joins the North Sea to the Atlantic. Note if you will the list of ports we give in that article. User:Grace Note 02:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC) It is not a question of judgement whether the spider is an insect. The definition of insect precludes it. The definition of insect is also what is commonly used. When the two clash, one must prevail. It is still the common parlance that we use, not some particularly restricted or specialised idea of spider. However, it is a question of judgement whether Calais lies on the Channel or it does not. Why can the whole of the strait not be included in the Channel? Certainly that is what is commonly done. The Channel Tunnel goes under it; the Channel ferries cross it. They have never felt they must divert to the other side of Cap Gris Nez to avoid a solecism in their name. Do you have a source for your contention that the North Sea stretches to Cap Gris Nez? Do you have one for your belief that seaways must be one thing or another and cannot overlap? If you will provide good sources for your belief, I'll join you in correcting the articles for the English Channel, Strait of Dover and others. We'll need to correct the erroneous beliefs about Channel crossings (some firsts were made between Dover and Calais), the erroneous notion of the Channel ferries, the Channel Tunnel will need to mention that it doesn't go under the Channel at all and should be called the, erm, North Sea Tunnel because Sangatte is also east of Cap Gris Nez.User:Grace Note 08:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC) :Well, all North Sea Treaties since 1908 used the line Cape Gris-Nez - South Foreland as boundary. :o) But that's beside the point. It's a simple matter of conceptual coherency. Certainly seaways can overlap: and the Strait of Dover, being the connection between The Channel and the North Sea indeed overlaps both. The part south of the smallest point (i.e. south of Cape Gris-Nez) belongs to The Channel and the part north of it belongs to the North Sea. This is simply what it ''means'' to be a connection. And you wouldn't deny that the North Sea is connected to The Channel by the Strait of Dover, would you? But I have to admit topography is so conventional in nature these first principles might have to cede to common usage anyway, utterly silly as it might be. So it is my better judgement to cease defending the cause of conceptual clarity against the entrenched forces of ''British'' tradition...;o) --User:MWAK 10:35, 2 May 2005 (UTC) Yes, you picked me right. Us Brits don't like conceptual clarity half as much as a good old-fashioned muddle ;-) User:Grace Note 07:22, 3 May 2005 (UTC) ::Then perhaps we should start a new tradition of calling Calais a North Sea Channel port :o)--User:MWAK 13:00, 3 May 2005 (UTC) == Did you know? == :I'm honoured!--User:MWAK 12:41, 17 May 2005 (UTC) == Limburgish and pitch accent == I noticed that you seem to be familliar with the Limburgish language. I've commented on its talk page on the article's questionable use of the term tonal language, mentioning that I've written a draft new version of the article pitch accent at User:Alarm/Pitch accent. Since this article mentions Limburgish as an example, I would really value any input from people familliar with it. If you have the time and energy to take a look, I would appreciate any comments and/or suggestions for expansion. / User:Alarm 13:52, 24 May 2005 (UTC) :I'll see whether I have any meaningful contributions to make - but even before having looked at that talk page I think I know what the problem is ;o). --User:MWAK 09:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC) == ''Tredagh'' 1654 = HMS ''Resolution'' 1660 == Well spotted! User:Gdr 13:37, 2005 May 29 (UTC) :Thank you! :o)--User:MWAK 16:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
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