
This is a list of more or less famous people with Croatian heritage, born in or associated with Croatia or of immediate Croatian ancestry, including both Croats and members of Croatia's national minorities. The #Other also include some corner cases: * people born in parts of Illyria/Illyricum before the Great migrations * people with less direct or less certain Croatian ancestry. ==Nobel Prize winners== * Ivo Andric - literature * Vladimir Prelog - chemistry * Lavoslav Ruzicka - chemistry ==Architecture== * Andrija Alesi - builder * Antun Albini - architect * Hermann Bolle - architect, (ethnic Ethnic German) * Andrija Buvina - builder * Juraj Dalmatinac - architect from Sibenik * Viktor Kovacic - architect * Luciano Laurana - architect * Radovan - sculptor, builder from Trogir * Ivo Tatic - architect ==Business== * Stephen Boskovich - Boskovich Farms * Victor Grinich - Fairchild Semiconductor * Ilija Letica - Letica Corporation * Andronico Luksic - Antofagasta PLC * Anthony Maglica - Maglite * Antony Lucich-Lucas engineer, Crude oil exploration, Gulf Oil - Texaco * Boris Miksic - Cortec Corporation * Marko Narancic - Nalley’s Potato Chips * Jack Pandol - Pandol Brothers ==Education, language, culture== * Ivan Belostenec - lexicographer * Juraj Dobrila - cleric, benefactor * Ljudevit Gaj - linguist, reformer * Vatroslav Jagic - philologist * Milan Kangrga - philosopher * Bartol Kasic - lexicographer * Mihovil Kombol - literary historian * Franjo Kuhac - folklorist, ethnologist * Zvonimir Kulundzic - philologist * Frane Petric - philosopher, scientist, historian * Paul Skalic - encyclopedist, adventurer * Leonardo Spalatin - linguist * Josip Juraj Strossmayer - cleric, benefactor * Henry Suzzallo - educator * Zdenko Skreb - linguist * Ante Topic - art collector * Vinko Zganec - folklorist, ethnomusicologist ==Entertainment== * Eric Bana - actor from Australia, son of a Croatian father, real name Eric Banadinović * Relja Basic - actor * Branko Bauer - film producer * Vinko Bresan - director * Amber Brkich - Survivor (TV series) contestant and winner * Boris Buzancic - actor * Tony Croatto - musician * Arsen Dedic - composer * Darko Domijan - singer * Oliver Dragojevic - singer * Boris Dvornik - actor * Jenna Elfman (nee Butala) - actress * Sergio Endrigo - singer * Nela Erzisnik - comedian * Mira Furlan - actress * Branko Gavella - playwright * Kreso Golik - film producer * Fadil Hadzic - producer, playwrighter, Bosnian Muslim * Nikica Kalogjera - composer * Tereza Kesovija - singer * Michael Klesic - actor * Sylvia Koscina - actress, model * Josipa Lisac - singer, AKA Josephine Fox * Robert Luketic - director * Branko Lustig - film producer * Josip Marusic - actor, AKA Tiger Joe Marsh (Mr. Clean) * Vladimir Medar - actor * Helen Merill, Jelena Ana Miletic - Jazz artist * Mustafa Nadarevic - actor * Antun Nalis - actor * Krist Novoselic - rock musician (Nirvana (band)) * Krsto Papic - film producer * Edo Perocevic - actor * Ferdo Pomykalo - composer, conductor * Dunja Rajter - singer * Ivo Robic - singer * Zvonimir Rogoz - actor * Rick Rossovich - actor, from United States * Rade Serbedzija - actor/director (ethnic Serbs) * Fabijan Sovagovic - actor * Ivica Serfezi - singer * Goran Visnjic - actor * Sinisa Vuco - singer * Vice Vukov - singer ==Exploration== * Joza Horvat - adventurer, writer * Ivica Frkovic - explorer * Stjepan Glavac- explorer, geographer * Ferdinand Konscak - explorer * Dragutin Lerman - explorer * Zeljko Malnar - explorer, producer * Vinko Palatin - explorer, misionary, writer * Marco Polo - explorer from Curzola/Korcula * Tibor Sekelj - List of explorers * Mirko and Stjepan Seljan - explorers * Ignacije Szentmartony - explorer, Jesuit, astronomer * Ivan Visin - explorer ==History== * Ivan Kukuljevic - historian * Vjekoslav Klaic - historian * Emilij Laszowski - historian * Ivan Lucic - historian * Franjo Racki - historian * Ivan Ratkaj - historian, Jesuit, explorer * Grga Novak - historian ==Invention== * Aleksandar Just - inventor * Franjo Hannaman - inventor, engineer * Jaroslav Havlicek - inventor * Ferdinand Kovacevic - inventor * Ivan Lupis - inventor, engineer * Slavoljub Eduard Penkala - inventor (ethnic Poles) * Josef Ressel - inventor (ethnic Czechs) * David Schwarz - inventor * Ante Supuk - engineer * Nikola Tesla - inventor (ethnic Serbs) * Faust Vrancic - inventor * Ivan Vucetic - inventor ==Literature== * Ivan Aralica - writer * Milan Begovic - writer * Ivana Brlic-Mazuranic - writer * Mile Budak - writer * Viktor Emin - writer * Mak Dizdar - poet, Bosnian Muslim * Slavenka Drakulic - writer, journalist * Marin Drzic - writer * Ksaver Sandor Gjalski - writer * Ivan Gundulic - poet * Tatjana Jambrisak - writer * Janko Polic Kamov - avant-garde writer * Ante Kovacic - writer * Ivan Goran Kovacic - poet * Josip Kozarac - writer * Miroslav Krleza - novelist * Eugen Kumicic - writer * Tomislav Ladan -writer * Hanibal Lucic - writer * Darko Macan - writer * Ranko Marinkovic - writer * Marko Marulic - writer * Mijo Mirkovic - writer, economist * Antun Gustav Matos - poet * Ivan Mazuranic - poet * Vjenceslav Novak - writer * Dalibor Perkovic - writer * Petar Preradovic - poet * Paula Preradovic - poet * Matija Antun Relkovic -writer * Dinko Simunovic - writer * Edo Stojcic - writer, journalist * August Senoa - writer * Dragutin Tadijanovic - poet * Ante Tomic - writer * Josip Eugen Tomic - writer * Dubravka Ugresic - writer * Tin Ujevic - poet * Ivo Vojnovic - writer * Stanko Vraz - poet * Nikola Zrinski (grandson) - poet, philosopher, soldier * Aleksandar Ziljak - writer ==Media== * Jerome Jurenovich - headline sports broadcaster * Bill Kurtis - investigative reporter, author * Mary Matalin - political commentator * Konstantin Miles - journalist * Mario Profaca - journalist * Antonio Vodanovic - television host ==Military== * Rahim Ademi soldier (ethnic Albanian) * Janko Bobetko - general * Viktor Bubanj - general * Ante Gotovina - general * Matija Gubec - rebel * Mirko Norac - general * Franjo barun Trenk - soldier, musician * Petar Zrinski - soldier * Lothar Rendulic - general ==Music== * Julije Bajamonti - composer * Zlatko Balokovic - violinist * Blagoje Bersa - composer * Philip Bracanin - composer from Australia * Silvio Bombardelli - composer * Valter Despalj - conductor * Jakov Gotovac - composer * Tvrtko Hrelec - composer * Sena Jurinac - opera singer * Antonio Janigro - cellist * Josip Klima - violinist * Franjo Krezma - violinist * Vatroslav Lisinski - composer * Lovro Matacic - conductor * Zinka Milanov - soprano * Maksim Mrvica - pianist * Tomislav Muzek - tenor * Maja Strozzi-Pecic - sopran * Boris Papandopulo - composer, conductor * Ivo Pogorelic - pianist * Ema Puksec - opera singer AKA ''Ilma De Murska'' * Ruza Pospis-Baldani - mezzo-soprano * Marijana Radev - soprano * Vladimir Ruzdjak - baritone * Luka Sorkocevic - composer * Josip Stolcer-Slavenski - composer * Franz von Suppe - composer (ethnic Belgian) * Vjekoslav Sutej - conductor * Ivo Tijardovic - composer * Milka Trnina - soprano * Ivan Zajc - composer ==Politics== * Nick Begich - US politician * Michael Anthony Bilandic - US politician * Mate Boban - politician * Josip Broz - Tito - politician and guerilla leader * Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic - politician and diplomat * Mate Granic - politician * Alejandro Jadresic - Chilean politician * Josip Jelacic - politician, soldier * Dennis Kucinich - US politician * John Kasich - US politician * Stipe Mesic - politician * Frank Mahovlich - Canada politician and hockey player * Ante Pavelic - politician (Ustase) * Rose Perica Mofford - US politician * Rudy Perpich - US politician * Ivica Racan - politician * George Radanovich - US politician * Stjepan Radic - politician * Ivo Sanader - politician * Ante Starcevic - politician * Milan Sufflay - politician, historian * Gojko Susak - politician * Radomiro Tomic - Chilean politician * Zlatko Tomcic - politician * Ante Trumbic - politician * Franjo Tudjman - politician * Miomir Zuzul - politician and diplomat ==Religion== * August Kazotic - archbishop * Alojzije Stepinac - archbishop * Matthias Flacius - protestant reformer * Grgur Ninski - bishop * Marija Petkovic - a beatified nun * Nikola Tavelic - saint * Miroslav Volf - Christianity theology ==Science== * Gaja Alaga - physicist * Djuro Armeno Baglivi - physician * Kazimir Bedeković-Komorski - physicist, writer, Jesuit * Danilo Blanusa - mathematician * Rudjer Boscovich - physicist, philosopher * Fran Bosnjakovic - physicist * Spiridon Brusina - paleontologist * Grgur Bucic - naturalist, climatologist * Ramiro Bujas - psychologist * Frane Bulic - archeologist * Nikola Cindro - physicist * Herman Dalmata - philosopher, mathematician * Milislav Demerec - biologist * Vladimir Devide - mathematician, Japanologist * Marko Antun de Dominis - physicist * Andrija Dudic - naturalist, astronomer, physician * Asaf Durakovic - physician, poet * Vinko Dvorzak - physicist * William Feller - mathematician * Andrija Fuderer - chemist, chess player * Artur Gavazzi - geographer * Marin Getaldic - physicist, mathematician * Dragutin Gorjanovic-Kramberger - archaeologist, anthropologist * Stjepan Gradic - mathematician * Dunja Grbic-Galic - microbiologist * Frederik Grisogono - mathematician * Mirko Grmek - physician, science writer and historian * Vladimir Gruden - psychiatrist * Ferdinand Hadvig - physician * Sven Hauptfeld - physicist * Milan Herak - geologist * Branko Horvat - economist * Vladimir Hudolin - psychiatrist * Gustav Janecek - chemist * Zvonimir Janko - mathematician * Mijo Kispatic - geologist * Marijan Korosic - economist * Marijan Kosicek - psychologist * Oton Kucera - mathematician, physicist * Djuro Kurepa - mathematician from Glina * Asim Kurjak - physician * Eduard Miloslavic - physician * Andrija Mohorovicic - geophysicist * Stjepan Mohorovicic - physicist * Vilko Nice - mathematician * Grga Novak - archaeologist, historian * Vladimir Paar - physicist * Josip Pancic - bothanist from Bribir (naturalized Serb) * Djuro Pilar - geologist * Stjepan Poljak - physician * Eduard Prugovecki - physicist, writer * Miroslav Radman - biologist * Veljko Roskar - chemical engineer * Santorio Santorio - physician * Zvonimir Separovic - lawyer, (victimology) * Ante Sercer - physician * Andrija Stampar - physician, diplomat * Ivan Supek - physicist, philosopher * Mirko Vidakovic - forester, botanist * Robert Visiani - climatolog * Nikola Vitov Gucetic - statesmen, philosopher, science writer * Faust Vrancic - philosopher, thinker * Vladimir Vranic - mathematician * Vladimir Zerjavic - statistician, economist ==Sport== * Mario Ancic - tennis player * Mario Andretti - race car driver (ethnic Italians born in Istria, part of modern Croatia) * Djurdjica Bjedov - swimmer * Miroslav Blazevic - football (soccer) manager * Andrew Bogut - basketball player * Ozren Bonacic - waterpolo * Tamara Boros - table tennis player * Bruno Bulić - cyclist * Zvonimir Boban - football (soccer) player * Mark Bosnich - football player * Perica Bukic - waterpolo player * George Chuvalo - boxing champion * Kresimir Cosic - basketball player * Zarko Dolinar - table tennis player * Duje Draganja - swimmer; 50 m freestyle Olympic silver 2004. * Gary Gabelich - experimental car driver * Ico Hitrec - football player * Hrvoje Horvat - handball player * Goran Ivanisevic - tennis player * Robert Jarni - football player * Vinko Jelovac - basketball player * Zeljko Jerkov - basketball player * Ivo Karlovic - tennis player * Josip Katalinski - football player * Srecko Katanec - football coach (from Slovenia) * Janica Kostelic - Alpine skiing * Stefica Kristof - bowling champion * Toni Kukoc - basketball player * Matija Ljubek - kayakist * Ivan Ljubicic - tennis player * Dan Luger - rugby player * Iva Majoli - tennis player * Roger Maris - baseball player * Franjo Mihalic - athlete (marathon) * George Mikan - basketball player * Mate Parlov - boxing champion * Johnny Pesky - baseball player * Drazen Petrovic - basketball player (Serb father) * Robert Prosinecki - football player (Serb mother) * Braslav Rabar - chess player * Dino Radja - basketball player * Veljko Rogosic - (marathon) swimmer * Joe Sakic - ice hockey player * Davor Suker - football player * Dragutin Surbek - table tennis champion * Rudy Tomjanovich - basketball player and coach * Mark Viduka - football player * Bernard Vukas - football player * Željko Mavrović - European boxing champion * Fritzie Zivic - U.S. boxing champion (Slovenian mother) ==Visual arts== * Antun Augustincic - sculptor * Federiko Benkovic - painter * Vlaho Bukovac - painter * Ante Dabro - sculptor * Ivan Duknović - sculptor * Dusan Dzamonja - sculptor, painter * Ivan Generalic - painter * Krsto Hegedusic - painter * Oton Gliha - painter * Zlatko Grgic - animated film producer * Nives Kavuric-Kurtovic - painter * Juraj Julije Klovic - painter, (portrait miniatures) * Miroslav Kraljevic - painter * Kristijan Krekovic - painter * Fran Krsinic - sculptor * Ivan Lackovic - painter * Francesco Laurana - sculptor * Mike Luckovich - cartoonist * Dora Maar, (Theodora Markovich - photographer, painter, model) * Andrija Maurovic - illustrator * Celestin Medovic - painter * Ivan Mestrovic - sculptor * Edo Murtic - painter * Ivan Rabuzin - painter * Mirko Racki - painter * Otto Reisinger - cartoonist * Slava Raskaj - painter * Maksimilijan Vanka - painter * Mladen Veza - illustrator * Dusan Vukotic - animated film producer * Ante Zaninovic - animated film producer ==Other== People born in Illyria or the subsequent Ancient Rome province, now part of Croatia, before the Great Migrations and the arrival of Croats and other Slavs: * Diocletian - Roman emperor from Dalmatia, Split * Jerome - born at Stridon, Pannonia/Dalmatia * Saint Marinus - builder of San Marino, from Rab * Valentinian I - Roman emperor from Pannonia * Valens - Roman Empire emperor from Pannonia * Pope John IV - pope from Dalmatia People with less direct Croatian ancestry: * Diego Maradona - football player, great-grandmother from Dalmatia * John Malkovich - actor, grandparents People with Croatian ancestry but high-ranked officials of other countries: * Néstor Kirchner - president of Argentina, one parent * Ivan Gasparovic - president of Slovakia, one parent * Francisco Orlich Bolmarcich - former president of Costa Rica, both parents People with less certain Croatian ancestry: * Joseph Haydn - composer (see Haydn and Croatian folk music) * Emile Zola - writer * Pope Sixtus V - pope (father from Dalmatia) == See also == * Croatian literature (includes a list of Croats in literature) * List of rulers of Croatia * List of Slavs ==External links== * [http://www.hr/darko/etf/popis.html#lati Outstanding Croats] * [http://www.amb-croatie.fr/croatie/saviez-vous.htm#sciences Croats and Croatia In French] Croatian people Lists of people by nationality
==Doubts== I see that the user from 67.x.y.z has been having a field day with this page. While I can appreciate enthusiasm, some of the edits are on a very slippery slope. For example: * Marco Polo is alleged to have been born on the Croatian island of Korcula, to a Slavic family called ''Polić'' natively but changed to ''de Polo'' in order to naturalize to the Venetian government (Dalmatia was mostly ruled by Venice those days), and later moved to Venice themselves. The de Polo's still live in Korčula today (my mother happens to be from there so I know for sure), and there's a house that's a small tourist attraction because it's "the birthplace of Marco Polo", but whether the explorer himself was (or the extent of his heritage) from this family is not so certain AFAIK. * Joseph Haydn was from Burgenland (''Gradišće''), a province in easternmost Austria today that's known to be inhabited by many Croats (''gradišćanski Hrvati''), and many of his compositions are recorded by him as coming from folk songs. There are families in Croatia called Hajdinjak and similar, so many speculate that Haydns were originally Croats from Burgenland, but again, this is not at all certain. * Rudjer Josip Boscovich was from Dubrovnik, and he was definitely a famous citizen of a Croatian city, but it's pretty stretched to outright declare him Croat. See the long discussion on Talk:Rudjer Josip Boscovich. :: Serbian --User:Igor * Emile Zola is speculated to be Croat by some French scientist apparently amicable towards the Croats in general, based on some Croatian-sounding terms used in his literature? Very stretched to say the least. * Nikola Tesla was from Croatia but was from a Serb family (probably originally Vlachs due to the last name), not Croat. :: You are embarrassing yourself as usual, Tesla is not a Vlach surname, it is a plowing tool, Slavic word. See town of Teslić as well. --User:Igor I think I also saw several Croatian Jews listed -- the extent of their naturalization should probably be verified before declaring them Croats. Also there's Slavoljub Eduard Penkala, who was not ethnically Croat but willfully became naturalized Croat. Conversely, Ivo Andric was ethnically Croat but willfully became naturalized Serb. I suppose listing both kinds is the best compromise, but I'm not sure if that's the consensus. So, anyway, my point is: tread lightly. --User:Shallot 17:46, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==John Malkovich== As for John Malkovich- http://www.allstarz.org/~malkovich/financial.html Even though of Croatian and Scottish descent, Malkovich had a relatively typical Midwestern upbringing in the small Illinois town of Benton, some 300 miles south of Chicago. His father published a conservation magazine and his mother ran the local newspaper. So there was no reason for the chubby and much-ridiculed John to be interested in sophisticated European culture -- until he went to college. In 1976 he dropped out of a drama degree at Illinois State University, moved to Chicago and co-founded with several old friends the Steppenwolf Theatre Company, where he acted in and directed works by classic and modern European authors. It would become one of the most recognised regional groups in the US. As much as Malkovich values its tradition and way of life, he says Europe is "not a place I take incredibly seriously: after all, it was the homeland of the Inquisition, totalitarianism, genocide and the invention of several bloody crusades". He also has harsh words for its media for what he deems unfair treatment of the US.User:83.131.114.18 21:30, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) : Not only that, but he recently (2003) came to Croatia and commented publically on his two grandparents who emigrated from the country into the States. --User:Shallot 22:15, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) :: And not only that: I remember that back in 1991, Malkovich made a TV spot (actually, it was conceived by Croatian-American artist Nenad Bach) wherein he recited IN CROATIAN first 5-7 lines of Croatian National anthem "Lijepa naša domovino". It was a sign of support for the Croatian struggle for independence in war against Serbian aggression.User:Mir Harven 13:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) John Malkovich is actually of Serb origin and not of Croatian origin. His last name is of Serb origin and even though he says he's from Croatia, he's not actually a Croat. This hymn reciting was a mistake and he didn't really know what they were asking of him. He admitted that later on in print. Croatia used to have a large Serb minority until 1992 when they were prosecuted and ethnically cleansed from Croatia. BBC has him listed as of Serb origin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/tennis/features/newsid_2893000/2893189.stm : Even if all you said was true, and I'm far from convinced it is esp. the blather at the end, none of that that would preclude his listing on this page. --User:Shallot 18:46, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC) :: OK, BBC puts him as Serbian, now what guys, BBC is Greater Serbian propaganda too? A Maljkovic christened me and he is Serbian (from Lika), now what. I am taking him off just like Tesla and Pete Maravich. You Croats are going to have to find someone else to steal celebrities from, I suggest you claim Leonardo da Vinci on top of Marco Polo, Mozart as well as Haydn. --User:Igor ::: Just for the record, I have not been able to confirm anything about this admittal of Malkovich's, it's rather unsurprising to see Serbs and Croats with the same last and/or first names, and it's also entirely unsurprising to see Igor badmouth "us Croats" for whatever. I looked up Maravich and it seems that he was a Serb so that listing was apparently plain wrong (committed by the anonymous 6x.y.z.w user, I should mention), and the Polo and Haydn entries committed by the same user are also on shakey ground, but using that as an excuse to remove Tesla altogether is just too transparent. --User:Shallot 16:59, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Rename== It occurs to me that a better title for the page would be list of Croatians, because that doesn't imply ethnic nationalism, rather a link with the country, which may or may not be combined with ethnicity. And to avoid any claims of misappropriation, ethnic classification and/or name of political entity that controlled the place a person was from can be added next to each name. --User:Shallot 22:15, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) Done now. Should be reasonably uncontroversial now. --User:Shallot 12:57, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) ----- ==More Doubts== Eh, that anonymous user went through the whole page like a tornado again... among other questionable things, Pope Sixtus V Croatian?? I googled and found some site from Herceg Novi saying he was the son of a Serb... brrr, this looks like another Pandora's box. --User:Shallot 00:13, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC) : The page about the Bokelji adds a somewhat explanatory twist on this story. --User:Shallot 21:38, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC) ----- ==Rick Rossovich== Found another odd case: Rick Rossovich, an actor from California, had a great-great-grandfather who lived in Mošćenička Draga (on the coast in the Istria county). His IMDb entry, however also has an entry saying that this person was actually a Serb from Krajina, but the aforementioned place is not. --User:Shallot 22:31, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) :Quot"His IMDb entry, however also has an entry saying that this person was actually a Serb from Krajina". I suppose you mean http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0001685/bio ? This is a complete nonsense, added by some propagandist. There are no Rosović Serbs in "Krajina", and one can very well see this by typing this surname into search window of Cro phonebooks, http://www.htnet.hr/imenik/fset.html . Well, type Rosović, and you'll find 12 persons, all Croats (according to first names-one of them Hrvoje/Croat) in and around Mošćenićka Draga. Judging from clumsy syntax and pathetic effort to inform the public that "Krajina" (written as "Kranija") is not to be confused with Croatia or anything Croatian- it's pretty obvious that Serbian agitprop had been nosing around. I've seen Rossovich IMDB bio and there was no "Krajina" part. Then I've written in Wiki he was of Croatian ancestry. And, lo and behold- magically, "Krajina" ad appears on the Rossovich bio page. Coincidence. Yeah, in some parallel universe.User:Mir Harven 23:53, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) :: Yeah, I had a bad feeling about it given the geographical inconsistency and bad spelling. How perverse. Thank you, I've just submitted the correction to the IMDb staff. --User:Shallot 02:14, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC) ::: Rick Rossovich actually is Croat, but one of his ancestors was a Serb from Krajina. But this is such a small portion that he can not be considered a Serb. If you were to sum it up he is 6.25% (1/16th) Serb. Rick Rossovich Unofficial Homepage http://www.rickrossovich.de with a Bio of German and many Photos. IMDb again says: ''"Is of Serbian/Italian descent, Moscenicka Draga is home of his paternal great-great grandfather. Maternal ancestry is Italian."''. So, umm... --User:Joy 23:53, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Thanks from Shallot== ChrisO, thanks for extending the introduction, though I doubt that it will help much with handling the abuse of those who consider the mere notion of association with a word involving the letters "C"/"H" and "R" is something abhorrent, and there certainly seem to be enough of those to go around... --User:Shallot 14:07, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC) : What did I tell you... --User:Shallot 21:38, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC) ==More on Haydn== I've taken Haydn off the list again. Look, even [http://www.hr/darko/etf/hadow.html William Hadow], who seems to have been a pretty ardent Croatianist, only ''speculated'' that Haydn was Croatian, and offered only circumstantial evidence. Moreover, a lot of Hadow's "evidence" is utterly subjective and based only on nationalist stereotypes. If there is solid documentary evidence, gathered since Hadow's day, that Haydn was of Croatian ancestry, I'd be happy to see this claim restored to the page. But speculation in the Wikipedia should labeled as such, not presented as fact. --User:Opus33 22:09, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC) : This anonymous user is really making a mess... --User:Shallot ==Maradona== Maradona is not a Croatian player thats for sure!!!!! User:Avala 13:22, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC) I just found some info that some croatian TV once said but never confirmed again that Maradona has roots in Croatia. It was said something like his grand grand grand father from mothers side was Croat. Even if this is true than you can say ''grand grand grand father of Maradona'' was Croat but you have to provide his name too. For an example- Elizabeth II has family roots in Serbia but she is still English not Serbian. : Yeah, the overzealous anonymous user is at it again. I've moderated him on several occasions now... *shrug* --User:Shallot 18:44, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC) : Just for the record, the best information I dug out about this was [http://www.online.hr/_clanak.asp?id=90291 this short article] that references other works but doesn't name them, and it's just one great-grandmother. --User:Shallot :: ''Ovu informaciju, navodi, duguje Ljeposlavu Periniću, "hrvatskom kralju lutaka". Perinić, Hrvat koji je nakon drugog svjetskog rata emigrirao u Argentinu, rođen je 1922..'' :: I think that we all know who was runnig to Argentina after WWII :( :: User:Avala 11:47, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC) : Not that this is particularly relevant to the matter at hand, but if you think he must have been a fascist, no, that doesn't really have to be. There's was economic emigration, as well as Communism-related emigration at that time. Anyway, again, the primary source isn't the guy who told something to Žubrinić, but the referenced French geneaologist. --User:Shallot 16:20, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) but still if my grand mother is from papua new guinea i am not papuan new guinean :) and we are talking about grand grand grand... User:Avala 16:25, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : You would still have Papua-New-Guinean ancestry and if there was a list of such people, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to have you listed. A great-grandmother (as in this case) is not exactly close, but if one of his daughters is called ''Dalma'', then it's not unreasonable to assume that he is aware of his links to that branch of his family. : Anyway, the right thing to do would be to exclude the corner cases from the main list and have them in a separate section. --User:Shallot 16:47, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Surname, Name format== It seems that the ''Surname, Name'' format has proven to be rather hard to maintain. We could get rid of all those pipe links and keep the page consistent easier. --User:Shallot 18:11, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Croat== "This is a list of more or less famous people with Croatian heritage, born in or associated with Croatia or of Croatian ancestry, including both Croats and members of Croatia's national minorities:" From the top of the page. If Avala wishes to create a page of List of ethnic Croats who are also Croatian citizens, please go ahead. However this page isn't it. Like all other country list pages it takes in those of Croat ethnicity wherever they live and those born in Croatian who aren't ethnic Croats. User:Rmhermen 23:56, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC) AHM AHM Mario Andretti was born in Italy and he is on the list just because that part of Italy is now Croatian!!!!! We can even add Dennis Rodman because he visited Croatia last summer! Why not add anyone who lived in SFRY after all Croatia was part of it so everyone born in SFRY are connected to Croatia and they can be on the list. Also I told you taht your denial of fascism is scaring me! User:Avala 12:45, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : If Andretti doesn't qualify (parents emigrated after WWII?), that's okay, you don't have to apply ''reductio ad absurdum'' with Rodman/SFRY to remove him. The introduction rather clearly delineates who is included. Note also, claiming Istria is "that part of Italy" is rather POV... We can't and shouldn't exclude regions that weren't Croatia forever because then we'd have to exclude them all -- it was all Illyria/Illyricum before. Same goes for most other places in the world... I've no idea what is meant by the fascism reference... --User:Shallot 16:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::His article says they fled Yugoslavia and lived in a displaced persons camp. Sounds like a borderline case but he did live in Croatia for a short time. User:Rmhermen 18:54, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC) ::: I looked up Mario Andretti's history a bit. His birthplace was part of a modern state (of Italy) and his family was Italian. Perhaps suitable for the corner case section... --User:Shallot 19:34, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::NO. He is suitable for list of Italians because ,I will say again, this is not a list of people connected to Croatia, it clearly says list of Croatians and if he is Italian then I don`t know what are you trying to prove? Maybe you have inferiority complex because there are not enough world famous sportsman that are Croatian so you are laying claims for other people by saying they are Croatian but please heal your problems with your psychiatrist not Wikipedia! User:Avala 07:51, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::: You seriously need to chill out. It's enough that we have one person who cannot be talked to, we don't need another. ::::: Also, there needs to be consistency. Nino Benvenuti was also born in the period between the world wars in Istria, and you haven't removed him. --User:Shallot 13:51, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::::OK. Now they are both deleted and please don`t add them again because it is misleading to have them on this page.User:Avala 19:59, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::::: I would like to keep it that way, but it seems that the anonymous user just won't give up. I think if we provide the explanatory paragraph that this may placate them. --User:Shallot :::::::: Anonymous user? WHO IS anonymous user TO MAKE MESS IN HERE? BAN HIM!User:Avala 19:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC) :::::::::Perhaps we could establish whether these two gentlemen were ever Croatian citizens. If Andretti was a citizen and lived there a couple years before fleeing, I would say include him as a corner case. If his family fled immediately than he really has no connection. I couldn't find any information in English on Benvenuti -did he live in Croatia at all? User:Rmhermen 20:37, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC) :::::::::: I think No. Maybe at most a year but in hell of life running away from revenge because of what fascist Italians did in WWII. On official website there is not a word about Croatia.User:Avala ==Maradona== IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT MARADONA IS CROATIAN THEN YOU ARE WRONG-SAY LIKE THIS GREAT GRAND GRAND MOTHER OF MARADONA CALLED XY WAS CROATIAN. IF YOU WANT TO ADD MARADONA CHANGE THE NAME List of Croatians TO List of People Somehow connected to Croatia! User:Avala 12:49, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : I don't think anyone other than the anonymous user is saying that. They are way overzealous and need to be corrected. If they insist on reverting the page, they will get banned... --User:Shallot 16:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Ivan Duknovic== http://users.tyenet.com/kozlich/baroque.htm http://www.amb-croatie.fr/culture/renaissance_croatie.htm More to come. User:Mir Harven 17:48, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC) : I don't think I removed this... I traced that person's pseudonym that has an article already, and moved the page accordingly, but it needs work. --User:Shallot 17:54, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Latest crap commits== This time it wasn't just the 6x.y.z.w anonymous user, it was also User:GeneralPatton :( FYI: the ordering is alphabetical, the word "hero" is entirely unsuitable, explain on Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic how it's a "lie" before changing his entry here (let alone removing it!), Kurjak certainly seems to be from Croatia even if you wish to insult him for being Bosniak and mafia, Branko Lustig has a page so you can list his religion there, etc, etc. Kindly refrain from further mass-demolition. --User:Shallot 11:40, 9 May 2004 (UTC) # Sve ono o Miroslavu Filipovicu-Majstorovicu, sve one fantazije o jesenovcu, je četnička propaganda, ako netko več treba da bude mass muderer, onda je tito, sa svim križnim putevima i golim otocima najbolji kandidat o tome. Titov režim i njegovi komunistički teroristi su pobili oko 500.000 Hrvata, a po nekima, to čak ide do 1 milijun! http://www.freedomsnest.com/rummel_murderers.html Josip Tito yugoslavia 1941-1987 1,172,000 :: That is entirely inconsequential. When the primary characteristic that seems to make a person known is mass murder, they should be listed as such. When the primary characteristic that makes a person known is being a politician, ditto. --User:Shallot # Kurjak je dokazani kriminalac, komunistički sin, musliman rođen u Bosni. To što sad živi u Hrvatskoj ništa ne znači, a ionako sad najviše radi po Bosni. Mene vrijeđa to što je na ovom popisu, to je kao da bi netko napisao muhameda attu pod poznate Amerikance, samo zato što je neko vrijeme živio u Americi. :: I guess you'd have to discuss that with the 6x.y.z.w user who initially added him. As far as I know, he's a known figure from Croatian public life and has no less place on this list than other such people. --User:Shallot # Lustig je židov koji sa Hrvatskom, osim mjesta rođenja, nema ništa. On ne zaslužuje da da bude na ovom popisu velikana, isto kao i razne mire furlan, srbkinje koje isto nemaju ništa sa Hrvatskom, i brojni drugi. Lustig ništa nije uradio za Hrvatsku, a mogao bi, nego snima filmove po maltama, maroku... ma goni ga. :: First of all, this is not a list of great men, simply of more or less famous people. Secondly, Lustig is widely recognized as Croatian, in Croatia and abroad, regardless of his ethnicity/religion, and Furlan is as well (and she is not Serbian, that's a factual error). Personal preference, or lack thereof, simply cannot be a criterion for inclusion in the list. --User:Shallot # Redosljed je najbolje napraviti po važnosti! :: That's biased by the very definition. Who determines the importance? You? Me? Random anonymous users? It simply wouldn't work. --User:Shallot A GENERALI GOTOVINA, NORAC I BOBETKO JESU HEROJI, I UVJEK ČE TO BIT! :: Again, this is an encyclopedia, not another random Internet forum for everyone to express their views on life, universe, and everything. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. :: You are also breaching netiquette by using a language foreign to this section of Wikipedia. Sadly enough, at the same time making numerous spelling errors in that language. Please refrain from further embarrassment and cease the abuse of this article. --User:Shallot 10:14, 11 May 2004 (UTC) :: I AM REALLY ANGRY THAT YOU CONSIDER GOTOVINA AND BOBETKO HEROES. BOBETKO I THINK WAS EVEN SENTENCED IN THE HAGUE FOR KILLING SERBIAN PEOPLE! I AM DEEPLY DISSAPOINTED!!! --User:Avala 21:11, 11 May 2004 (UTC) ::: Just a factual correction: Gotovina and Bobetko were indicted in the Hague, not convicted; Norac was indicted and convicted in Croatia. --User:Shallot 09:47, 12 May 2004 (UTC) :::: Well ONE is enough even too much! It reminds me of some idiots in Belgrade which call Milosevic a hero even though he is is responsible for murder not only bosniaks but serbs too. GeneralPatton also wrote in commit logs (partly translated): : ''- mak dizdar, islamized commie'' :: That's pure bias. --User:Shallot : ''- Fadil Hadžić was Tito's Muslim propagandist, proof : crap known as "Desant na Drvar". Commie yes, Croat, NO!'' :: And again bias, and inability to read the initial paragraph. It is indicative that it seems to be impossible to explain both to Serbian and Croatian ultra-nationalists that the list cannot include just ethnic Croat people. --User:Shallot : ''took out the link to "* List of Slavs" since recent DNA tests have proven that Croats are mostly not of slavic origin (just 20%)'' :: That reasoning is just bonkers. Should you interpret the genetic analyses like that, you would find that many Slavic nations of today are "mostly not of Slavic origin". Anyway, the argument that genetics somehow overrule the course of the last two milleniums of history, is specious IMHO. --User:Shallot 10:22, 11 May 2004 (UTC) For the record, I found by googling that Viktor Bubanj held the rank of general in the WWII partizan army, and once had a barracks named after him in Sarajevo and a grade school in Zagreb, and he was branded by user GeneralPatton as "terrorist". At the same time, Ustasa members such as Jure Francetić were branded by him as "freedom fighters". This is amusingly in line with the popular saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". I have therefore removed all such verbiage from the article. Among other things, his includes Avala's note on Pavelić. We should stick to general descriptions here and leave the juicy details for people's articles. If someone wishes to say something about someone, don't make passing remarks in here which may only cause controversy. Instead, click the person's name and write it up, it's easy. --User:Shallot 12:40, 12 May 2004 (UTC) == It is better? == How is it better to write that Pavelic was politician when he was ustasha leader? Adolf Hitler was not funny little man even if somebody think so. : Regardless, they were essentially politicians. We may think that their kind of politics/policies were abhorrent, but that doesn't make the fact that they were politicians any less true or less pertinent. --User:Shallot 16:42, 13 May 2004 (UTC) But picture worths 1000 words! Here, it says it all: I just hope that you will not say that he is waving to the children on this picture because we all know that he is waving to Adolf Hitler. User:Avala 09:33, 13 May 2004 (UTC) And this picture is the one you can`t oppose to! He was Hitler`s puppet just like Pavelic made Croatia to be. User:Avala 09:38, 13 May 2004 (UTC) : And all this is perfectly well described in his article and those that are linked from that article. (If not -- go ahead and add it to those pages.) This is merely a list of people, we can't include pictures and whatnot, it would become extremely cluttered if we started doing that. --User:Shallot 16:42, 13 May 2004 (UTC) Malkovich is Croatian name, and John Malkovich is really a Croat. Who does'nt believe can check the Croatian phonebook, just type 'Malković': http://imenik.ht.hr/
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This is a list of more or less famous people with Croatian heritage, born in or associated with Croatia or of immediate Croatian ancestry, including both Croats and members of Croatia's national minorities. The #Other also include some corner cases: * people born in parts of Illyria/Illyricum before the Great migrations * people with less direct or less certain Croatian ancestry. ==Nobel Prize winners== * Ivo Andric - literature * Vladimir Prelog - chemistry * Lavoslav Ruzicka - chemistry ==Architecture== * Andrija Alesi - builder * Antun Albini - architect * Hermann Bolle - architect, (ethnic Ethnic German) * Andrija Buvina - builder * Juraj Dalmatinac - architect from Sibenik * Viktor Kovacic - architect * Luciano Laurana - architect * Radovan - sculptor, builder from Trogir * Ivo Tatic - architect ==Business== * Stephen Boskovich - Boskovich Farms * Victor Grinich - Fairchild Semiconductor * Ilija Letica - Letica Corporation * Andronico Luksic - Antofagasta PLC * Anthony Maglica - Maglite * Antony Lucich-Lucas engineer, Crude oil exploration, Gulf Oil - Texaco * Boris Miksic - Cortec Corporation * Marko Narancic - Nalley’s Potato Chips * Jack Pandol - Pandol Brothers ==Education, language, culture== * Ivan Belostenec - lexicographer * Juraj Dobrila - cleric, benefactor * Ljudevit Gaj - linguist, reformer * Vatroslav Jagic - philologist * Milan Kangrga - philosopher * Bartol Kasic - lexicographer * Mihovil Kombol - literary historian * Franjo Kuhac - folklorist, ethnologist * Zvonimir Kulundzic - philologist * Frane Petric - philosopher, scientist, historian * Paul Skalic - encyclopedist, adventurer * Leonardo Spalatin - linguist * Josip Juraj Strossmayer - cleric, benefactor * Henry Suzzallo - educator * Zdenko Skreb - linguist * Ante Topic - art collector * Vinko Zganec - folklorist, ethnomusicologist ==Entertainment== * Eric Bana - actor from Australia, son of a Croatian father, real name Eric Banadinović * Relja Basic - actor * Branko Bauer - film producer * Vinko Bresan - director * Amber Brkich - Survivor (TV series) contestant and winner * Boris Buzancic - actor * Tony Croatto - musician * Arsen Dedic - composer * Darko Domijan - singer * Oliver Dragojevic - singer * Boris Dvornik - actor * Jenna Elfman (nee Butala) - actress * Sergio Endrigo - singer * Nela Erzisnik - comedian * Mira Furlan - actress * Branko Gavella - playwright * Kreso Golik - film producer * Fadil Hadzic - producer, playwrighter, Bosnian Muslim * Nikica Kalogjera - composer * Tereza Kesovija - singer * Michael Klesic - actor * Sylvia Koscina - actress, model * Josipa Lisac - singer, AKA Josephine Fox * Robert Luketic - director * Branko Lustig - film producer * Josip Marusic - actor, AKA Tiger Joe Marsh (Mr. Clean) * Vladimir Medar - actor * Helen Merill, Jelena Ana Miletic - Jazz artist * Mustafa Nadarevic - actor * Antun Nalis - actor * Krist Novoselic - rock musician (Nirvana (band)) * Krsto Papic - film producer * Edo Perocevic - actor * Ferdo Pomykalo - composer, conductor * Dunja Rajter - singer * Ivo Robic - singer * Zvonimir Rogoz - actor * Rick Rossovich - actor, from United States * Rade Serbedzija - actor/director (ethnic Serbs) * Fabijan Sovagovic - actor * Ivica Serfezi - singer * Goran Visnjic - actor * Sinisa Vuco - singer * Vice Vukov - singer ==Exploration== * Joza Horvat - adventurer, writer * Ivica Frkovic - explorer * Stjepan Glavac- explorer, geographer * Ferdinand Konscak - explorer * Dragutin Lerman - explorer * Zeljko Malnar - explorer, producer * Vinko Palatin - explorer, misionary, writer * Marco Polo - explorer from Curzola/Korcula * Tibor Sekelj - List of explorers * Mirko and Stjepan Seljan - explorers * Ignacije Szentmartony - explorer, Jesuit, astronomer * Ivan Visin - explorer ==History== * Ivan Kukuljevic - historian * Vjekoslav Klaic - historian * Emilij Laszowski - historian * Ivan Lucic - historian * Franjo Racki - historian * Ivan Ratkaj - historian, Jesuit, explorer * Grga Novak - historian ==Invention== * Aleksandar Just - inventor * Franjo Hannaman - inventor, engineer * Jaroslav Havlicek - inventor * Ferdinand Kovacevic - inventor * Ivan Lupis - inventor, engineer * Slavoljub Eduard Penkala - inventor (ethnic Poles) * Josef Ressel - inventor (ethnic Czechs) * David Schwarz - inventor * Ante Supuk - engineer * Nikola Tesla - inventor (ethnic Serbs) * Faust Vrancic - inventor * Ivan Vucetic - inventor ==Literature== * Ivan Aralica - writer * Milan Begovic - writer * Ivana Brlic-Mazuranic - writer * Mile Budak - writer * Viktor Emin - writer * Mak Dizdar - poet, Bosnian Muslim * Slavenka Drakulic - writer, journalist * Marin Drzic - writer * Ksaver Sandor Gjalski - writer * Ivan Gundulic - poet * Tatjana Jambrisak - writer * Janko Polic Kamov - avant-garde writer * Ante Kovacic - writer * Ivan Goran Kovacic - poet * Josip Kozarac - writer * Miroslav Krleza - novelist * Eugen Kumicic - writer * Tomislav Ladan -writer * Hanibal Lucic - writer * Darko Macan - writer * Ranko Marinkovic - writer * Marko Marulic - writer * Mijo Mirkovic - writer, economist * Antun Gustav Matos - poet * Ivan Mazuranic - poet * Vjenceslav Novak - writer * Dalibor Perkovic - writer * Petar Preradovic - poet * Paula Preradovic - poet * Matija Antun Relkovic -writer * Dinko Simunovic - writer * Edo Stojcic - writer, journalist * August Senoa - writer * Dragutin Tadijanovic - poet * Ante Tomic - writer * Josip Eugen Tomic - writer * Dubravka Ugresic - writer * Tin Ujevic - poet * Ivo Vojnovic - writer * Stanko Vraz - poet * Nikola Zrinski (grandson) - poet, philosopher, soldier * Aleksandar Ziljak - writer ==Media== * Jerome Jurenovich - headline sports broadcaster * Bill Kurtis - investigative reporter, author * Mary Matalin - political commentator * Konstantin Miles - journalist * Mario Profaca - journalist * Antonio Vodanovic - television host ==Military== * Rahim Ademi soldier (ethnic Albanian) * Janko Bobetko - general * Viktor Bubanj - general * Ante Gotovina - general * Matija Gubec - rebel * Mirko Norac - general * Franjo barun Trenk - soldier, musician * Petar Zrinski - soldier * Lothar Rendulic - general ==Music== * Julije Bajamonti - composer * Zlatko Balokovic - violinist * Blagoje Bersa - composer * Philip Bracanin - composer from Australia * Silvio Bombardelli - composer * Valter Despalj - conductor * Jakov Gotovac - composer * Tvrtko Hrelec - composer * Sena Jurinac - opera singer * Antonio Janigro - cellist * Josip Klima - violinist * Franjo Krezma - violinist * Vatroslav Lisinski - composer * Lovro Matacic - conductor * Zinka Milanov - soprano * Maksim Mrvica - pianist * Tomislav Muzek - tenor * Maja Strozzi-Pecic - sopran * Boris Papandopulo - composer, conductor * Ivo Pogorelic - pianist * Ema Puksec - opera singer AKA ''Ilma De Murska'' * Ruza Pospis-Baldani - mezzo-soprano * Marijana Radev - soprano * Vladimir Ruzdjak - baritone * Luka Sorkocevic - composer * Josip Stolcer-Slavenski - composer * Franz von Suppe - composer (ethnic Belgian) * Vjekoslav Sutej - conductor * Ivo Tijardovic - composer * Milka Trnina - soprano * Ivan Zajc - composer ==Politics== * Nick Begich - US politician * Michael Anthony Bilandic - US politician * Mate Boban - politician * Josip Broz - Tito - politician and guerilla leader * Kolinda Grabar-Kitarovic - politician and diplomat * Mate Granic - politician * Alejandro Jadresic - Chilean politician * Josip Jelacic - politician, soldier * Dennis Kucinich - US politician * John Kasich - US politician * Stipe Mesic - politician * Frank Mahovlich - Canada politician and hockey player * Ante Pavelic - politician (Ustase) * Rose Perica Mofford - US politician * Rudy Perpich - US politician * Ivica Racan - politician * George Radanovich - US politician * Stjepan Radic - politician * Ivo Sanader - politician * Ante Starcevic - politician * Milan Sufflay - politician, historian * Gojko Susak - politician * Radomiro Tomic - Chilean politician * Zlatko Tomcic - politician * Ante Trumbic - politician * Franjo Tudjman - politician * Miomir Zuzul - politician and diplomat ==Religion== * August Kazotic - archbishop * Alojzije Stepinac - archbishop * Matthias Flacius - protestant reformer * Grgur Ninski - bishop * Marija Petkovic - a beatified nun * Nikola Tavelic - saint * Miroslav Volf - Christianity theology ==Science== * Gaja Alaga - physicist * Djuro Armeno Baglivi - physician * Kazimir Bedeković-Komorski - physicist, writer, Jesuit * Danilo Blanusa - mathematician * Rudjer Boscovich - physicist, philosopher * Fran Bosnjakovic - physicist * Spiridon Brusina - paleontologist * Grgur Bucic - naturalist, climatologist * Ramiro Bujas - psychologist * Frane Bulic - archeologist * Nikola Cindro - physicist * Herman Dalmata - philosopher, mathematician * Milislav Demerec - biologist * Vladimir Devide - mathematician, Japanologist * Marko Antun de Dominis - physicist * Andrija Dudic - naturalist, astronomer, physician * Asaf Durakovic - physician, poet * Vinko Dvorzak - physicist * William Feller - mathematician * Andrija Fuderer - chemist, chess player * Artur Gavazzi - geographer * Marin Getaldic - physicist, mathematician * Dragutin Gorjanovic-Kramberger - archaeologist, anthropologist * Stjepan Gradic - mathematician * Dunja Grbic-Galic - microbiologist * Frederik Grisogono - mathematician * Mirko Grmek - physician, science writer and historian * Vladimir Gruden - psychiatrist * Ferdinand Hadvig - physician * Sven Hauptfeld - physicist * Milan Herak - geologist * Branko Horvat - economist * Vladimir Hudolin - psychiatrist * Gustav Janecek - chemist * Zvonimir Janko - mathematician * Mijo Kispatic - geologist * Marijan Korosic - economist * Marijan Kosicek - psychologist * Oton Kucera - mathematician, physicist * Djuro Kurepa - mathematician from Glina * Asim Kurjak - physician * Eduard Miloslavic - physician * Andrija Mohorovicic - geophysicist * Stjepan Mohorovicic - physicist * Vilko Nice - mathematician * Grga Novak - archaeologist, historian * Vladimir Paar - physicist * Josip Pancic - bothanist from Bribir (naturalized Serb) * Djuro Pilar - geologist * Stjepan Poljak - physician * Eduard Prugovecki - physicist, writer * Miroslav Radman - biologist * Veljko Roskar - chemical engineer * Santorio Santorio - physician * Zvonimir Separovic - lawyer, (victimology) * Ante Sercer - physician * Andrija Stampar - physician, diplomat * Ivan Supek - physicist, philosopher * Mirko Vidakovic - forester, botanist * Robert Visiani - climatolog * Nikola Vitov Gucetic - statesmen, philosopher, science writer * Faust Vrancic - philosopher, thinker * Vladimir Vranic - mathematician * Vladimir Zerjavic - statistician, economist ==Sport== * Mario Ancic - tennis player * Mario Andretti - race car driver (ethnic Italians born in Istria, part of modern Croatia) * Djurdjica Bjedov - swimmer * Miroslav Blazevic - football (soccer) manager * Andrew Bogut - basketball player * Ozren Bonacic - waterpolo * Tamara Boros - table tennis player * Bruno Bulić - cyclist * Zvonimir Boban - football (soccer) player * Mark Bosnich - football player * Perica Bukic - waterpolo player * George Chuvalo - boxing champion * Kresimir Cosic - basketball player * Zarko Dolinar - table tennis player * Duje Draganja - swimmer; 50 m freestyle Olympic silver 2004. * Gary Gabelich - experimental car driver * Ico Hitrec - football player * Hrvoje Horvat - handball player * Goran Ivanisevic - tennis player * Robert Jarni - football player * Vinko Jelovac - basketball player * Zeljko Jerkov - basketball player * Ivo Karlovic - tennis player * Josip Katalinski - football player * Srecko Katanec - football coach (from Slovenia) * Janica Kostelic - Alpine skiing * Stefica Kristof - bowling champion * Toni Kukoc - basketball player * Matija Ljubek - kayakist * Ivan Ljubicic - tennis player * Dan Luger - rugby player * Iva Majoli - tennis player * Roger Maris - baseball player * Franjo Mihalic - athlete (marathon) * George Mikan - basketball player * Mate Parlov - boxing champion * Johnny Pesky - baseball player * Drazen Petrovic - basketball player (Serb father) * Robert Prosinecki - football player (Serb mother) * Braslav Rabar - chess player * Dino Radja - basketball player * Veljko Rogosic - (marathon) swimmer * Joe Sakic - ice hockey player * Davor Suker - football player * Dragutin Surbek - table tennis champion * Rudy Tomjanovich - basketball player and coach * Mark Viduka - football player * Bernard Vukas - football player * Željko Mavrović - European boxing champion * Fritzie Zivic - U.S. boxing champion (Slovenian mother) ==Visual arts== * Antun Augustincic - sculptor * Federiko Benkovic - painter * Vlaho Bukovac - painter * Ante Dabro - sculptor * Ivan Duknović - sculptor * Dusan Dzamonja - sculptor, painter * Ivan Generalic - painter * Krsto Hegedusic - painter * Oton Gliha - painter * Zlatko Grgic - animated film producer * Nives Kavuric-Kurtovic - painter * Juraj Julije Klovic - painter, (portrait miniatures) * Miroslav Kraljevic - painter * Kristijan Krekovic - painter * Fran Krsinic - sculptor * Ivan Lackovic - painter * Francesco Laurana - sculptor * Mike Luckovich - cartoonist * Dora Maar, (Theodora Markovich - photographer, painter, model) * Andrija Maurovic - illustrator * Celestin Medovic - painter * Ivan Mestrovic - sculptor * Edo Murtic - painter * Ivan Rabuzin - painter * Mirko Racki - painter * Otto Reisinger - cartoonist * Slava Raskaj - painter * Maksimilijan Vanka - painter * Mladen Veza - illustrator * Dusan Vukotic - animated film producer * Ante Zaninovic - animated film producer ==Other== People born in Illyria or the subsequent Ancient Rome province, now part of Croatia, before the Great Migrations and the arrival of Croats and other Slavs: * Diocletian - Roman emperor from Dalmatia, Split * Jerome - born at Stridon, Pannonia/Dalmatia * Saint Marinus - builder of San Marino, from Rab * Valentinian I - Roman emperor from Pannonia * Valens - Roman Empire emperor from Pannonia * Pope John IV - pope from Dalmatia People with less direct Croatian ancestry: * Diego Maradona - football player, great-grandmother from Dalmatia * John Malkovich - actor, grandparents People with Croatian ancestry but high-ranked officials of other countries: * Néstor Kirchner - president of Argentina, one parent * Ivan Gasparovic - president of Slovakia, one parent * Francisco Orlich Bolmarcich - former president of Costa Rica, both parents People with less certain Croatian ancestry: * Joseph Haydn - composer (see Haydn and Croatian folk music) * Emile Zola - writer * Pope Sixtus V - pope (father from Dalmatia) == See also == * Croatian literature (includes a list of Croats in literature) * List of rulers of Croatia * List of Slavs ==External links== * [http://www.hr/darko/etf/popis.html#lati Outstanding Croats] * [http://www.amb-croatie.fr/croatie/saviez-vous.htm#sciences Croats and Croatia In French] Croatian people Lists of people by nationality
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==Doubts== I see that the user from 67.x.y.z has been having a field day with this page. While I can appreciate enthusiasm, some of the edits are on a very slippery slope. For example: * Marco Polo is alleged to have been born on the Croatian island of Korcula, to a Slavic family called ''Polić'' natively but changed to ''de Polo'' in order to naturalize to the Venetian government (Dalmatia was mostly ruled by Venice those days), and later moved to Venice themselves. The de Polo's still live in Korčula today (my mother happens to be from there so I know for sure), and there's a house that's a small tourist attraction because it's "the birthplace of Marco Polo", but whether the explorer himself was (or the extent of his heritage) from this family is not so certain AFAIK. * Joseph Haydn was from Burgenland (''Gradišće''), a province in easternmost Austria today that's known to be inhabited by many Croats (''gradišćanski Hrvati''), and many of his compositions are recorded by him as coming from folk songs. There are families in Croatia called Hajdinjak and similar, so many speculate that Haydns were originally Croats from Burgenland, but again, this is not at all certain. * Rudjer Josip Boscovich was from Dubrovnik, and he was definitely a famous citizen of a Croatian city, but it's pretty stretched to outright declare him Croat. See the long discussion on Talk:Rudjer Josip Boscovich. :: Serbian --User:Igor * Emile Zola is speculated to be Croat by some French scientist apparently amicable towards the Croats in general, based on some Croatian-sounding terms used in his literature? Very stretched to say the least. * Nikola Tesla was from Croatia but was from a Serb family (probably originally Vlachs due to the last name), not Croat. :: You are embarrassing yourself as usual, Tesla is not a Vlach surname, it is a plowing tool, Slavic word. See town of Teslić as well. --User:Igor I think I also saw several Croatian Jews listed -- the extent of their naturalization should probably be verified before declaring them Croats. Also there's Slavoljub Eduard Penkala, who was not ethnically Croat but willfully became naturalized Croat. Conversely, Ivo Andric was ethnically Croat but willfully became naturalized Serb. I suppose listing both kinds is the best compromise, but I'm not sure if that's the consensus. So, anyway, my point is: tread lightly. --User:Shallot 17:46, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC) ==John Malkovich== As for John Malkovich- http://www.allstarz.org/~malkovich/financial.html Even though of Croatian and Scottish descent, Malkovich had a relatively typical Midwestern upbringing in the small Illinois town of Benton, some 300 miles south of Chicago. His father published a conservation magazine and his mother ran the local newspaper. So there was no reason for the chubby and much-ridiculed John to be interested in sophisticated European culture -- until he went to college. In 1976 he dropped out of a drama degree at Illinois State University, moved to Chicago and co-founded with several old friends the Steppenwolf Theatre Company, where he acted in and directed works by classic and modern European authors. It would become one of the most recognised regional groups in the US. As much as Malkovich values its tradition and way of life, he says Europe is "not a place I take incredibly seriously: after all, it was the homeland of the Inquisition, totalitarianism, genocide and the invention of several bloody crusades". He also has harsh words for its media for what he deems unfair treatment of the US.User:83.131.114.18 21:30, 2 Feb 2004 (UTC) : Not only that, but he recently (2003) came to Croatia and commented publically on his two grandparents who emigrated from the country into the States. --User:Shallot 22:15, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) :: And not only that: I remember that back in 1991, Malkovich made a TV spot (actually, it was conceived by Croatian-American artist Nenad Bach) wherein he recited IN CROATIAN first 5-7 lines of Croatian National anthem "Lijepa naša domovino". It was a sign of support for the Croatian struggle for independence in war against Serbian aggression.User:Mir Harven 13:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC) John Malkovich is actually of Serb origin and not of Croatian origin. His last name is of Serb origin and even though he says he's from Croatia, he's not actually a Croat. This hymn reciting was a mistake and he didn't really know what they were asking of him. He admitted that later on in print. Croatia used to have a large Serb minority until 1992 when they were prosecuted and ethnically cleansed from Croatia. BBC has him listed as of Serb origin: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sportacademy/hi/sa/tennis/features/newsid_2893000/2893189.stm : Even if all you said was true, and I'm far from convinced it is esp. the blather at the end, none of that that would preclude his listing on this page. --User:Shallot 18:46, 3 Mar 2004 (UTC) :: OK, BBC puts him as Serbian, now what guys, BBC is Greater Serbian propaganda too? A Maljkovic christened me and he is Serbian (from Lika), now what. I am taking him off just like Tesla and Pete Maravich. You Croats are going to have to find someone else to steal celebrities from, I suggest you claim Leonardo da Vinci on top of Marco Polo, Mozart as well as Haydn. --User:Igor ::: Just for the record, I have not been able to confirm anything about this admittal of Malkovich's, it's rather unsurprising to see Serbs and Croats with the same last and/or first names, and it's also entirely unsurprising to see Igor badmouth "us Croats" for whatever. I looked up Maravich and it seems that he was a Serb so that listing was apparently plain wrong (committed by the anonymous 6x.y.z.w user, I should mention), and the Polo and Haydn entries committed by the same user are also on shakey ground, but using that as an excuse to remove Tesla altogether is just too transparent. --User:Shallot 16:59, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Rename== It occurs to me that a better title for the page would be list of Croatians, because that doesn't imply ethnic nationalism, rather a link with the country, which may or may not be combined with ethnicity. And to avoid any claims of misappropriation, ethnic classification and/or name of political entity that controlled the place a person was from can be added next to each name. --User:Shallot 22:15, 3 Feb 2004 (UTC) Done now. Should be reasonably uncontroversial now. --User:Shallot 12:57, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC) ----- ==More Doubts== Eh, that anonymous user went through the whole page like a tornado again... among other questionable things, Pope Sixtus V Croatian?? I googled and found some site from Herceg Novi saying he was the son of a Serb... brrr, this looks like another Pandora's box. --User:Shallot 00:13, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC) : The page about the Bokelji adds a somewhat explanatory twist on this story. --User:Shallot 21:38, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC) ----- ==Rick Rossovich== Found another odd case: Rick Rossovich, an actor from California, had a great-great-grandfather who lived in Mošćenička Draga (on the coast in the Istria county). His IMDb entry, however also has an entry saying that this person was actually a Serb from Krajina, but the aforementioned place is not. --User:Shallot 22:31, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) :Quot"His IMDb entry, however also has an entry saying that this person was actually a Serb from Krajina". I suppose you mean http://www.us.imdb.com/name/nm0001685/bio ? This is a complete nonsense, added by some propagandist. There are no Rosović Serbs in "Krajina", and one can very well see this by typing this surname into search window of Cro phonebooks, http://www.htnet.hr/imenik/fset.html . Well, type Rosović, and you'll find 12 persons, all Croats (according to first names-one of them Hrvoje/Croat) in and around Mošćenićka Draga. Judging from clumsy syntax and pathetic effort to inform the public that "Krajina" (written as "Kranija") is not to be confused with Croatia or anything Croatian- it's pretty obvious that Serbian agitprop had been nosing around. I've seen Rossovich IMDB bio and there was no "Krajina" part. Then I've written in Wiki he was of Croatian ancestry. And, lo and behold- magically, "Krajina" ad appears on the Rossovich bio page. Coincidence. Yeah, in some parallel universe.User:Mir Harven 23:53, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) :: Yeah, I had a bad feeling about it given the geographical inconsistency and bad spelling. How perverse. Thank you, I've just submitted the correction to the IMDb staff. --User:Shallot 02:14, 25 Feb 2004 (UTC) ::: Rick Rossovich actually is Croat, but one of his ancestors was a Serb from Krajina. But this is such a small portion that he can not be considered a Serb. If you were to sum it up he is 6.25% (1/16th) Serb. Rick Rossovich Unofficial Homepage http://www.rickrossovich.de with a Bio of German and many Photos. IMDb again says: ''"Is of Serbian/Italian descent, Moscenicka Draga is home of his paternal great-great grandfather. Maternal ancestry is Italian."''. So, umm... --User:Joy 23:53, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Thanks from Shallot== ChrisO, thanks for extending the introduction, though I doubt that it will help much with handling the abuse of those who consider the mere notion of association with a word involving the letters "C"/"H" and "R" is something abhorrent, and there certainly seem to be enough of those to go around... --User:Shallot 14:07, 10 Mar 2004 (UTC) : What did I tell you... --User:Shallot 21:38, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC) ==More on Haydn== I've taken Haydn off the list again. Look, even [http://www.hr/darko/etf/hadow.html William Hadow], who seems to have been a pretty ardent Croatianist, only ''speculated'' that Haydn was Croatian, and offered only circumstantial evidence. Moreover, a lot of Hadow's "evidence" is utterly subjective and based only on nationalist stereotypes. If there is solid documentary evidence, gathered since Hadow's day, that Haydn was of Croatian ancestry, I'd be happy to see this claim restored to the page. But speculation in the Wikipedia should labeled as such, not presented as fact. --User:Opus33 22:09, 21 Mar 2004 (UTC) : This anonymous user is really making a mess... --User:Shallot ==Maradona== Maradona is not a Croatian player thats for sure!!!!! User:Avala 13:22, 19 Apr 2004 (UTC) I just found some info that some croatian TV once said but never confirmed again that Maradona has roots in Croatia. It was said something like his grand grand grand father from mothers side was Croat. Even if this is true than you can say ''grand grand grand father of Maradona'' was Croat but you have to provide his name too. For an example- Elizabeth II has family roots in Serbia but she is still English not Serbian. : Yeah, the overzealous anonymous user is at it again. I've moderated him on several occasions now... *shrug* --User:Shallot 18:44, 20 Apr 2004 (UTC) : Just for the record, the best information I dug out about this was [http://www.online.hr/_clanak.asp?id=90291 this short article] that references other works but doesn't name them, and it's just one great-grandmother. --User:Shallot :: ''Ovu informaciju, navodi, duguje Ljeposlavu Periniću, "hrvatskom kralju lutaka". Perinić, Hrvat koji je nakon drugog svjetskog rata emigrirao u Argentinu, rođen je 1922..'' :: I think that we all know who was runnig to Argentina after WWII :( :: User:Avala 11:47, 22 Apr 2004 (UTC) : Not that this is particularly relevant to the matter at hand, but if you think he must have been a fascist, no, that doesn't really have to be. There's was economic emigration, as well as Communism-related emigration at that time. Anyway, again, the primary source isn't the guy who told something to Žubrinić, but the referenced French geneaologist. --User:Shallot 16:20, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) but still if my grand mother is from papua new guinea i am not papuan new guinean :) and we are talking about grand grand grand... User:Avala 16:25, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : You would still have Papua-New-Guinean ancestry and if there was a list of such people, it wouldn't be entirely unreasonable to have you listed. A great-grandmother (as in this case) is not exactly close, but if one of his daughters is called ''Dalma'', then it's not unreasonable to assume that he is aware of his links to that branch of his family. : Anyway, the right thing to do would be to exclude the corner cases from the main list and have them in a separate section. --User:Shallot 16:47, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Surname, Name format== It seems that the ''Surname, Name'' format has proven to be rather hard to maintain. We could get rid of all those pipe links and keep the page consistent easier. --User:Shallot 18:11, 21 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Croat== "This is a list of more or less famous people with Croatian heritage, born in or associated with Croatia or of Croatian ancestry, including both Croats and members of Croatia's national minorities:" From the top of the page. If Avala wishes to create a page of List of ethnic Croats who are also Croatian citizens, please go ahead. However this page isn't it. Like all other country list pages it takes in those of Croat ethnicity wherever they live and those born in Croatian who aren't ethnic Croats. User:Rmhermen 23:56, Apr 22, 2004 (UTC) AHM AHM Mario Andretti was born in Italy and he is on the list just because that part of Italy is now Croatian!!!!! We can even add Dennis Rodman because he visited Croatia last summer! Why not add anyone who lived in SFRY after all Croatia was part of it so everyone born in SFRY are connected to Croatia and they can be on the list. Also I told you taht your denial of fascism is scaring me! User:Avala 12:45, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : If Andretti doesn't qualify (parents emigrated after WWII?), that's okay, you don't have to apply ''reductio ad absurdum'' with Rodman/SFRY to remove him. The introduction rather clearly delineates who is included. Note also, claiming Istria is "that part of Italy" is rather POV... We can't and shouldn't exclude regions that weren't Croatia forever because then we'd have to exclude them all -- it was all Illyria/Illyricum before. Same goes for most other places in the world... I've no idea what is meant by the fascism reference... --User:Shallot 16:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::His article says they fled Yugoslavia and lived in a displaced persons camp. Sounds like a borderline case but he did live in Croatia for a short time. User:Rmhermen 18:54, Apr 23, 2004 (UTC) ::: I looked up Mario Andretti's history a bit. His birthplace was part of a modern state (of Italy) and his family was Italian. Perhaps suitable for the corner case section... --User:Shallot 19:34, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::NO. He is suitable for list of Italians because ,I will say again, this is not a list of people connected to Croatia, it clearly says list of Croatians and if he is Italian then I don`t know what are you trying to prove? Maybe you have inferiority complex because there are not enough world famous sportsman that are Croatian so you are laying claims for other people by saying they are Croatian but please heal your problems with your psychiatrist not Wikipedia! User:Avala 07:51, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::: You seriously need to chill out. It's enough that we have one person who cannot be talked to, we don't need another. ::::: Also, there needs to be consistency. Nino Benvenuti was also born in the period between the world wars in Istria, and you haven't removed him. --User:Shallot 13:51, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::::OK. Now they are both deleted and please don`t add them again because it is misleading to have them on this page.User:Avala 19:59, 26 Apr 2004 (UTC) ::::::: I would like to keep it that way, but it seems that the anonymous user just won't give up. I think if we provide the explanatory paragraph that this may placate them. --User:Shallot :::::::: Anonymous user? WHO IS anonymous user TO MAKE MESS IN HERE? BAN HIM!User:Avala 19:27, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC) :::::::::Perhaps we could establish whether these two gentlemen were ever Croatian citizens. If Andretti was a citizen and lived there a couple years before fleeing, I would say include him as a corner case. If his family fled immediately than he really has no connection. I couldn't find any information in English on Benvenuti -did he live in Croatia at all? User:Rmhermen 20:37, Apr 27, 2004 (UTC) :::::::::: I think No. Maybe at most a year but in hell of life running away from revenge because of what fascist Italians did in WWII. On official website there is not a word about Croatia.User:Avala ==Maradona== IF YOU WANT TO SAY THAT MARADONA IS CROATIAN THEN YOU ARE WRONG-SAY LIKE THIS GREAT GRAND GRAND MOTHER OF MARADONA CALLED XY WAS CROATIAN. IF YOU WANT TO ADD MARADONA CHANGE THE NAME List of Croatians TO List of People Somehow connected to Croatia! User:Avala 12:49, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) : I don't think anyone other than the anonymous user is saying that. They are way overzealous and need to be corrected. If they insist on reverting the page, they will get banned... --User:Shallot 16:36, 23 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Ivan Duknovic== http://users.tyenet.com/kozlich/baroque.htm http://www.amb-croatie.fr/culture/renaissance_croatie.htm More to come. User:Mir Harven 17:48, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC) : I don't think I removed this... I traced that person's pseudonym that has an article already, and moved the page accordingly, but it needs work. --User:Shallot 17:54, 24 Apr 2004 (UTC) ==Latest crap commits== This time it wasn't just the 6x.y.z.w anonymous user, it was also User:GeneralPatton :( FYI: the ordering is alphabetical, the word "hero" is entirely unsuitable, explain on Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic how it's a "lie" before changing his entry here (let alone removing it!), Kurjak certainly seems to be from Croatia even if you wish to insult him for being Bosniak and mafia, Branko Lustig has a page so you can list his religion there, etc, etc. Kindly refrain from further mass-demolition. --User:Shallot 11:40, 9 May 2004 (UTC) # Sve ono o Miroslavu Filipovicu-Majstorovicu, sve one fantazije o jesenovcu, je četnička propaganda, ako netko več treba da bude mass muderer, onda je tito, sa svim križnim putevima i golim otocima najbolji kandidat o tome. Titov režim i njegovi komunistički teroristi su pobili oko 500.000 Hrvata, a po nekima, to čak ide do 1 milijun! http://www.freedomsnest.com/rummel_murderers.html Josip Tito yugoslavia 1941-1987 1,172,000 :: That is entirely inconsequential. When the primary characteristic that seems to make a person known is mass murder, they should be listed as such. When the primary characteristic that makes a person known is being a politician, ditto. --User:Shallot # Kurjak je dokazani kriminalac, komunistički sin, musliman rođen u Bosni. To što sad živi u Hrvatskoj ništa ne znači, a ionako sad najviše radi po Bosni. Mene vrijeđa to što je na ovom popisu, to je kao da bi netko napisao muhameda attu pod poznate Amerikance, samo zato što je neko vrijeme živio u Americi. :: I guess you'd have to discuss that with the 6x.y.z.w user who initially added him. As far as I know, he's a known figure from Croatian public life and has no less place on this list than other such people. --User:Shallot # Lustig je židov koji sa Hrvatskom, osim mjesta rođenja, nema ništa. On ne zaslužuje da da bude na ovom popisu velikana, isto kao i razne mire furlan, srbkinje koje isto nemaju ništa sa Hrvatskom, i brojni drugi. Lustig ništa nije uradio za Hrvatsku, a mogao bi, nego snima filmove po maltama, maroku... ma goni ga. :: First of all, this is not a list of great men, simply of more or less famous people. Secondly, Lustig is widely recognized as Croatian, in Croatia and abroad, regardless of his ethnicity/religion, and Furlan is as well (and she is not Serbian, that's a factual error). Personal preference, or lack thereof, simply cannot be a criterion for inclusion in the list. --User:Shallot # Redosljed je najbolje napraviti po važnosti! :: That's biased by the very definition. Who determines the importance? You? Me? Random anonymous users? It simply wouldn't work. --User:Shallot A GENERALI GOTOVINA, NORAC I BOBETKO JESU HEROJI, I UVJEK ČE TO BIT! :: Again, this is an encyclopedia, not another random Internet forum for everyone to express their views on life, universe, and everything. See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. :: You are also breaching netiquette by using a language foreign to this section of Wikipedia. Sadly enough, at the same time making numerous spelling errors in that language. Please refrain from further embarrassment and cease the abuse of this article. --User:Shallot 10:14, 11 May 2004 (UTC) :: I AM REALLY ANGRY THAT YOU CONSIDER GOTOVINA AND BOBETKO HEROES. BOBETKO I THINK WAS EVEN SENTENCED IN THE HAGUE FOR KILLING SERBIAN PEOPLE! I AM DEEPLY DISSAPOINTED!!! --User:Avala 21:11, 11 May 2004 (UTC) ::: Just a factual correction: Gotovina and Bobetko were indicted in the Hague, not convicted; Norac was indicted and convicted in Croatia. --User:Shallot 09:47, 12 May 2004 (UTC) :::: Well ONE is enough even too much! It reminds me of some idiots in Belgrade which call Milosevic a hero even though he is is responsible for murder not only bosniaks but serbs too. GeneralPatton also wrote in commit logs (partly translated): : ''- mak dizdar, islamized commie'' :: That's pure bias. --User:Shallot : ''- Fadil Hadžić was Tito's Muslim propagandist, proof : crap known as "Desant na Drvar". Commie yes, Croat, NO!'' :: And again bias, and inability to read the initial paragraph. It is indicative that it seems to be impossible to explain both to Serbian and Croatian ultra-nationalists that the list cannot include just ethnic Croat people. --User:Shallot : ''took out the link to "* List of Slavs" since recent DNA tests have proven that Croats are mostly not of slavic origin (just 20%)'' :: That reasoning is just bonkers. Should you interpret the genetic analyses like that, you would find that many Slavic nations of today are "mostly not of Slavic origin". Anyway, the argument that genetics somehow overrule the course of the last two milleniums of history, is specious IMHO. --User:Shallot 10:22, 11 May 2004 (UTC) For the record, I found by googling that Viktor Bubanj held the rank of general in the WWII partizan army, and once had a barracks named after him in Sarajevo and a grade school in Zagreb, and he was branded by user GeneralPatton as "terrorist". At the same time, Ustasa members such as Jure Francetić were branded by him as "freedom fighters". This is amusingly in line with the popular saying "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter". I have therefore removed all such verbiage from the article. Among other things, his includes Avala's note on Pavelić. We should stick to general descriptions here and leave the juicy details for people's articles. If someone wishes to say something about someone, don't make passing remarks in here which may only cause controversy. Instead, click the person's name and write it up, it's easy. --User:Shallot 12:40, 12 May 2004 (UTC) == It is better? == How is it better to write that Pavelic was politician when he was ustasha leader? Adolf Hitler was not funny little man even if somebody think so. : Regardless, they were essentially politicians. We may think that their kind of politics/policies were abhorrent, but that doesn't make the fact that they were politicians any less true or less pertinent. --User:Shallot 16:42, 13 May 2004 (UTC) But picture worths 1000 words! Here, it says it all: I just hope that you will not say that he is waving to the children on this picture because we all know that he is waving to Adolf Hitler. User:Avala 09:33, 13 May 2004 (UTC) And this picture is the one you can`t oppose to! He was Hitler`s puppet just like Pavelic made Croatia to be. User:Avala 09:38, 13 May 2004 (UTC) : And all this is perfectly well described in his article and those that are linked from that article. (If not -- go ahead and add it to those pages.) This is merely a list of people, we can't include pictures and whatnot, it would become extremely cluttered if we started doing that. --User:Shallot 16:42, 13 May 2004 (UTC) Malkovich is Croatian name, and John Malkovich is really a Croat. Who does'nt believe can check the Croatian phonebook, just type 'Malković': http://imenik.ht.hr/
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