I am the user named Keetoowah. I am an enrolled member of the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. Keetoowah means "key" in Cherokee. I live in Houston, Texas. I am an investment banker, which means that I raise financing for corporations. I was born in Wichita, Kansas. I did my undergraduate work at the University of Kansas. I also attended the Washburn University School of Law--earning a J.D. To learn more about the word Keetoowah: [http://www.keetoowah-society.org/ The Original Keetoowah Society]
== Request for comments == Just to let you know that you have been cited on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Keetoowah. Regards, User:David.Monniaux 22:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==AMA== I suggest you look into aquiring a WP:AMA advocate. Cheers, (User:Sam Spade | user_talk:Sam Spade | Special:contributions/Sam Spade) 23:15, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) :I suggest you present a brief summary of your case @ Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance, making sure to include relevant links. (User:Sam Spade | user_talk:Sam Spade | Special:contributions/Sam Spade) 11:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) == apology == Dear Keetoowah, I am sorry I referred to you as having "anger management" issues. I assume that is what you viewed as a personal attack. It was actually a taunt, but nevertheless I take full responsibility for taunting you and do hereby apologize. I will taunt you no more. Your friend, User:Wolfman 04:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) == peace == Keetoowah, an unsolicited and surely unappreciated word of advice. An RFC is no big deal, but only if you go make nice. Just say something like you've read the civility policy, and you were wrong, and you won't do it again. And basically, that will be the end of it. And you'll probably even get the satisfaction of seeing someone leave a stern note of admonishment on my Talk page for sparring with you. No big deal. But, if you take a combative stance and dig in your heels, then eventually you'll end up before arbcom. And they really will do something, like ban you. And even though it's just a website, it's still unpleasant to be kicked out of something. So just go promise to be nice, and actually be nice, and that will be the end of it. Do you really think the "I am being oppressed, someone attacked me too" defense is going to be effective? And as a peace-offering I'll share with you something a wise wikipedian (a magistrate in life) said to me when I was getting apopleptic over a right-wing troll once. I think you might find it useful: :''I find that nothing fazes a provacateur more than refusing to be baited. It not only doesn't give them a reason to strike back, but that inability drives them crazy since I'm not giving them what they really want - the satisfaction of biting back. I take my shots carefully, and in as subtle a manner as I can.'' User:Wolfman 06:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Ward Churchill== I am sorry that your edits were removed from the article. I did not remove them, although I did think about how to edit that material. I will look further at what you wrote on my talk page when I get a chance. I am in agreement with your distaste at Ward Churchill putting himself forth as a spokesman for the Native community but even more at those who have accepted him as a spokesman, like the people at the University of Colorado who put him on a fast tenure track, bypassing others, most of whom were not even interviewed. However, judging from his appearance I do think he probably has some Native American ancestory and feel we should take his word for it. The real issues have to do with his actions and ideas. User:Fred Bauder 18:11, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC) Regarding his admission at the talk at the University of Hawaii, I can't find it on Google, maybe it is not indexed yet. He certainly fooled a lot of people, if that turns out to be the case he certainly abused the affirmative action process. Frankly I don't think anyone with slight Native American blood should use that anyway. Unless you tell someone that you are of mixed blood they can't tell anyway. User:Fred Bauder 12:12, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC) ==Pdn== Well, it was hearsay in a way, but not an essay of opinion. I lived in Los Alamos 1982-85 and am ashamed to say some of my late wife's friends often drove out in high powered sports cars (Datson Z's) over the desert to various reservations to buy family jewelry, silverware, trinkets at pawn shops. They scoffed when a new law forced the pawn shops off the reservations - their "treasure hunts" became much easier. But I do not have time to research the laws, and I surely won't contact the individuals, whom I have not seen since 1985, so you're entitled to remove what I said. Wish I had time - but it is a research project not only in law, but really requiring interviewing "locals" - anglos who buy, and Native Americans who lose family treasures. It is also an interesting case of a law designed to "protect", but whose consequences went the other way. User:Pdn 00:56, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC) I might add that I saw many of the items from New Mexico pawnshops displayed in the home of those people with the Datsuns, so it is not personal opinion, but word-of-mouth corroborated by direct observation. Also it may not have been a change of law but of administrative regulations, but, in any case you might check if pawnshops were moved off reservations circa 1983, and ask around the reservations as to what effect that had. User:Pdn 16:38, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Minor edits == I'd like to draw your attention to the following, from Wikipedia:Minor edit: :''Marking a real change as a minor edit is considered bad behavior, and even more so if it involves the deletion of some text.'' I'll grant that this is, to my mind at any rate, a pretty small matter, but you do seem to have done it approaching 700 times now... User:Alai 00:58, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Ward Churchill ethnicity issues == Hi, I was just wondering whether we could give the ethnicity debate a bit of rest in the Churchill article? With all due respect and all, I am sure you have reasons, it is just that is something we can't really solve on Wikipedia by ourselves. I have reduced the issue to the following lines: :"Churchill's ethnicity has also come under severe attack by his critics, who claim his Native-American heritage is not authentic. He himself has claimed that he is "3/16" Indian." and I think that together with the external links to sources pro and con should suffice. I hope you agree. -- User:Viajero 00:33, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) ==CU== I attended CU, Colorado University, although its legal name is the University of Colorado. There is a school called UC, the University of California. User:Fred Bauder 13:27, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) == Ward Churchill / User:Fred Bauder == While discussing Ward Churchill recently on his personal talk page, User:Fred Bauder said this: \"However, judging from his appearance I do think he probably has some Native American ancestory\".. I am part Native American (Mi'kmaq aka Micmac), most certainly more so than Mr. Churchill and I don't like to be judged by my appearance. I think Bauder's comments are offensive racial stereotyping. I think he ought to apologize and have basically said as much on his talk page. What do you think? User:Rex071404 User:216.153.214.94 08:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) :I agree with your comments about NOT judging people based upon their looks. I think that is completely stupid way to decide if someone is an Indian or not. However, I don't think that we should engage in the actions of forcing people to apologize for stupid comments. It stifles Free Speech and it makes martyers out of people like Ward Churchcill. Churchill is a complete and total fraud and he is being defended by a bunch of people that think they are doing the right thing. These are people that has a tunnel vision view of the world. They believe that if someone is in an academic environment then no one has a right to question their authority. It is blind, stupid, brain-washed, knee-jerk liberalism, but it is their right. You read his comments and you got it. You knew instinctively that the comment was stupid and wrong-headed, but the folks that blindly support Churchill when he lies about his Indian heritage truly believe that they are doing the right thing. You and I know that to be stupid, but we can only argue against their point of view--not force them into false apologizes, etc. Even if the Fred Bauder or the other Churchill apologists actually came clean and admitted that they are blindly defending Churchill on the fake Indian issue because they simply want to defend him because he is spouting off anti-America rhetoric, it wouldn't matter because we know that any apology would be as fake as Churchill. Just drop it and point out to them that no one in Indian Country really believes Churchill to be an Indian--expect liberal, white folks.-----User:Keetoowah 13:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) :: Well said. For more of my reply to you, see Talk:Ward_Churchill. User:Rex071404 User:216.153.214.94 13:32, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) I hope you enjoy my reworking of the Ward Churchill article. Ward the turd is such a con artiste that I feel a little truth-saying might improve the eventual end article. It seems to have been hijacked by extreme liberals. I note from your bio material that you are in a much better position to make a rational assessment of Churchill's "work" which to my mind has been a good old fashioned "sting". Keep writing. User:Jolutz 02:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Churchill == Please see my reply to you at User talk:Zen-master. -- User:Curps 23:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) I added the Buffett link because I thought he was another example of a white guy with ethnic aspirations. I'm not sure if I'd be flattered or insulted if I were you. What do you think about WC's Native American status, is it true that many Indians have difficulties proving their ancestry of just those whose names start with Ward. User:TonyMarvin 02:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::In my business, I meet new people all the time. I have describe my background in detail to win new business. There is no way that I can get around my ethnic background in that situation because of the nature of what I have been doing for 25 years. I get so many stories from folks--that mean well and they have big hearts--about how they have an Cherokee Indian Princess in their background. When I hear that story--and I hear it a lot--I know that the person that is relating it to me because they want to make a connection with me, and that is a good thing, but I immediately know that they don't know what they are talking about. The Cherokees have never had Kings, Queens, Princes or Princesses. Royalty is a European thing. It is not an Indian thing. The Cherokees have never had European style royalty. It is a myth that has been created in the mind of Americans that the Indians had royalty and so and so comes from that great line of royalty. Being a fake Indian is great American tradition. It is irritating actually because so many peopel with European backgrounds have started pretending to be Indians. It is hip--post-1960s--to be an Indian. A white liberal cannot pretend to be an African-American or Asian-American because that will get them in a whole lot of trouble. They could pretend to be Hispanic, but that would require the white liberal to learn Spanish and then explain why he speaks Spanish as his first language when his parents spoke English as their first language. So that leaves American Indian. There is great tradition for white folks earning street credibility by pretending to be an Indian. It is similar to white teenage kids dressing up like inner city African-American kids and pretending to be gang-bangers. WC is just the latest in great line of FAKE Indians that includes Johnny Cash and Cher. Cash went around for years claiming to be Indian. It was later proven that his background was Scottish/Irish and he apologized. Cher went on national TV one nigh a week for years claiming to be a Cherokee Princess (which as I indicated before that there is no such thing). She later apologist and now states that it is just part of the act. Ward Churchcill can pretend to be American Indian and other liberals will defend him. If WC pretended to be African-American no one would defend him. He has not provided anything to prove his ancestry. When you look at the Census Bureau numbers on the numbers of Indians in the U.S. and then you look at the actual tribal roles you will see a huge difference. The tribal roles indicate that about one million American Indians are on tribal roles in the U.S., but when you look at the Census Bureau numbers it comes to 2 million to 4 million--depending upon how you count it. What is the difference? Well, the Tribal roles require that the individual Indian provide actual documentation of their American Indian background. But the Census Bureau does NOT require that information. Anyone can mark down whether they are an Indian or not. There is no requirement to provide paperwork to back up the claim. It is accepted at face value. So what we have with WC is an example of someone that self-reports being an Indian and he does NOT have one shred of evidence that he is an Indian, so he would qualify under the Census Bureau rule (of absolutely no paperwork) but he does not qualify to be listed on any of the tribal roles that he claims membership in. Notice that WC also claims to be in several different tribes from different parts of the country!!! That is in itself is a joke. He has claimed--in various magazine articles, newspaper articles, and book covers--to be Cherokee, Keetoowah, Creek and Metis. He is part of three different tribes and he cannot provide the name of one ancestor in any of these tribes. I can understand if he cannot provide the name of the Metis or he cannot provide the name of the Creek or he cannot provide the name of the Cherokee, BUT ALL THREE!!!!! Notice also that in the different articles sometimes he is 1/4 Cherokee, 1/8 Creek, 1/8 Metis, but in other articles he is more Creek,less Cherokee (no Metis) and in completely different articles he is just Cherokee. The story that he has been sticking with for the last couple years--now that everyone is paying attention--is that he is 3/16th Cherokee. All of these claims are in writing. That is crazy! Look, if you are an American of German descent you can name either your mother or father of German descent, right? But WC cannot name his mother or his father or his grandfather or grandmother, etc. NO ONE! Why? Because it is a figment of his imagination. Why does he claim to be something that he is not? Because it provides him upward mobility in an academic environment. Schools like the Univ of Colorado want to have a diverse teaching staff--it is a quality that is prized in the academic world (which is not necessarily a bad thing), but in their rush to fill slots with one Asian-American over here and one African-American over there, etc. they are willing to take just about anyone that claims an American Indian background. Notice that the liberals that defend WC are always pointing to Russell Means. Yes, Means is a well-known American Indian spokesman, but that does NOT make WC one!!!!! Does that mean that WC is an Indian by association? What a load. Anyway, enough about WC's fake Indian story. Your original question was: is it true that many Indians have difficulties proving their ancestry of just those whose names start with Ward? Well, it would seem to me that it is difficult to prove his status because he has no information on which to prove his status. it is simple as that. If his mother was an Indian why can't he prove it? If his father was an Indian why can't he prove it? It is a joke. I'm not even going to talk about Indiana where he grew up (there is not a large population of Indians there), etc. Thanks for the question. At least someone is thinking about it and not just taking his claims at face value.--User:Keetoowah 13:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the response. I must admit I approached this assuming that WC was a political radical who was being shafted for stating unpopular views which should be protected. But the more I learn about him the more it becomes clear that there are real problems there. Very interesting. User:TonyMarvin 15:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Janice Rogers Brown == Thanks for your work on the Janice Rogers Brown article - I appreciate having my occasional biases reigned in. I do think it's important to get a good start on articles for everyone on Bush's "potential nominee" list, as these pages will all get very hectic when Rehnquist actually leaves the court, and are likely to go through vandalism hell when someone actually gets the nom. btw, turns out there's quite a few of us law students here! -- BDAbramson">User:BDAbramson thimk">User talk:BDAbramson 22:13, 2005 May 3 (UTC)
*I'd suggest that the way to handle the article is not to remove the critical information, but to balance that with the opposing point of view. -- BDAbramson">User:BDAbramson thimk">User talk:BDAbramson 19:26, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
**??? Talk page was blank - were you suggesting that I post this suggestion there instead of here? -- BDAbramson">User:BDAbramson thimk">User talk:BDAbramson 20:16, 2005 May 12 (UTC)
:I was typing the response when you visited the talk page. It is the nature of Wikipedia to make a choose between users and so my comments were eliminated. What I basically stated is that the material probably should NOT be in the article, the reasoning against her nomination needs to presented in a balanced NPOV manner. Having its own section with each point starred is not NPOV. Also, there must an attempt to provide the reasons FOR her nomination also, that was not present. Also, the comments were conclusionary, they did not provide the reasoning. For example, the LA Times quote stated that she is bad. Whoa! That's an elementary school argument. There was no explanation on WHY JRB is so "bad." that is NOT a NPOV presentation. So go ahead provide the arguments and thinking against JRB, but provide the arguments and thinking FOR JRB also. And conclusionary statments just don't cut it. Your contracts professor wants to hear 'why' the contract is void, he/she does not just want to hear you say the contract is void. Best,--User:Keetoowah 20:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
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Hi Keetoowah, I'm glad to have been working with you on the stem cells article for this time. I've noticed, though, that your discussion entries seem to tend to be longer than is needed, and tend to make accusations. See you around, --User:Nectarflowed User_talk:Nectarflowed 10:09, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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== Request for comments == Just to let you know that you have been cited on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Keetoowah. Regards, User:David.Monniaux 22:18, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==AMA== I suggest you look into aquiring a WP:AMA advocate. Cheers, (User:Sam Spade | user_talk:Sam Spade | Special:contributions/Sam Spade) 23:15, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC) :I suggest you present a brief summary of your case @ Wikipedia:AMA_Requests_for_Assistance, making sure to include relevant links. (User:Sam Spade | user_talk:Sam Spade | Special:contributions/Sam Spade) 11:49, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) == apology == Dear Keetoowah, I am sorry I referred to you as having "anger management" issues. I assume that is what you viewed as a personal attack. It was actually a taunt, but nevertheless I take full responsibility for taunting you and do hereby apologize. I will taunt you no more. Your friend, User:Wolfman 04:34, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) == peace == Keetoowah, an unsolicited and surely unappreciated word of advice. An RFC is no big deal, but only if you go make nice. Just say something like you've read the civility policy, and you were wrong, and you won't do it again. And basically, that will be the end of it. And you'll probably even get the satisfaction of seeing someone leave a stern note of admonishment on my Talk page for sparring with you. No big deal. But, if you take a combative stance and dig in your heels, then eventually you'll end up before arbcom. And they really will do something, like ban you. And even though it's just a website, it's still unpleasant to be kicked out of something. So just go promise to be nice, and actually be nice, and that will be the end of it. Do you really think the "I am being oppressed, someone attacked me too" defense is going to be effective? And as a peace-offering I'll share with you something a wise wikipedian (a magistrate in life) said to me when I was getting apopleptic over a right-wing troll once. I think you might find it useful: :''I find that nothing fazes a provacateur more than refusing to be baited. It not only doesn't give them a reason to strike back, but that inability drives them crazy since I'm not giving them what they really want - the satisfaction of biting back. I take my shots carefully, and in as subtle a manner as I can.'' User:Wolfman 06:54, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Ward Churchill== I am sorry that your edits were removed from the article. I did not remove them, although I did think about how to edit that material. I will look further at what you wrote on my talk page when I get a chance. I am in agreement with your distaste at Ward Churchill putting himself forth as a spokesman for the Native community but even more at those who have accepted him as a spokesman, like the people at the University of Colorado who put him on a fast tenure track, bypassing others, most of whom were not even interviewed. However, judging from his appearance I do think he probably has some Native American ancestory and feel we should take his word for it. The real issues have to do with his actions and ideas. User:Fred Bauder 18:11, Feb 20, 2005 (UTC) Regarding his admission at the talk at the University of Hawaii, I can't find it on Google, maybe it is not indexed yet. He certainly fooled a lot of people, if that turns out to be the case he certainly abused the affirmative action process. Frankly I don't think anyone with slight Native American blood should use that anyway. Unless you tell someone that you are of mixed blood they can't tell anyway. User:Fred Bauder 12:12, Feb 24, 2005 (UTC) ==Pdn== Well, it was hearsay in a way, but not an essay of opinion. I lived in Los Alamos 1982-85 and am ashamed to say some of my late wife's friends often drove out in high powered sports cars (Datson Z's) over the desert to various reservations to buy family jewelry, silverware, trinkets at pawn shops. They scoffed when a new law forced the pawn shops off the reservations - their "treasure hunts" became much easier. But I do not have time to research the laws, and I surely won't contact the individuals, whom I have not seen since 1985, so you're entitled to remove what I said. Wish I had time - but it is a research project not only in law, but really requiring interviewing "locals" - anglos who buy, and Native Americans who lose family treasures. It is also an interesting case of a law designed to "protect", but whose consequences went the other way. User:Pdn 00:56, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC) I might add that I saw many of the items from New Mexico pawnshops displayed in the home of those people with the Datsuns, so it is not personal opinion, but word-of-mouth corroborated by direct observation. Also it may not have been a change of law but of administrative regulations, but, in any case you might check if pawnshops were moved off reservations circa 1983, and ask around the reservations as to what effect that had. User:Pdn 16:38, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC) == Minor edits == I'd like to draw your attention to the following, from Wikipedia:Minor edit: :''Marking a real change as a minor edit is considered bad behavior, and even more so if it involves the deletion of some text.'' I'll grant that this is, to my mind at any rate, a pretty small matter, but you do seem to have done it approaching 700 times now... User:Alai 00:58, 1 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Ward Churchill ethnicity issues == Hi, I was just wondering whether we could give the ethnicity debate a bit of rest in the Churchill article? With all due respect and all, I am sure you have reasons, it is just that is something we can't really solve on Wikipedia by ourselves. I have reduced the issue to the following lines: :"Churchill's ethnicity has also come under severe attack by his critics, who claim his Native-American heritage is not authentic. He himself has claimed that he is "3/16" Indian." and I think that together with the external links to sources pro and con should suffice. I hope you agree. -- User:Viajero 00:33, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) ==CU== I attended CU, Colorado University, although its legal name is the University of Colorado. There is a school called UC, the University of California. User:Fred Bauder 13:27, Mar 10, 2005 (UTC) == Ward Churchill / User:Fred Bauder == While discussing Ward Churchill recently on his personal talk page, User:Fred Bauder said this: \"However, judging from his appearance I do think he probably has some Native American ancestory\".. I am part Native American (Mi'kmaq aka Micmac), most certainly more so than Mr. Churchill and I don't like to be judged by my appearance. I think Bauder's comments are offensive racial stereotyping. I think he ought to apologize and have basically said as much on his talk page. What do you think? User:Rex071404 User:216.153.214.94 08:38, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) :I agree with your comments about NOT judging people based upon their looks. I think that is completely stupid way to decide if someone is an Indian or not. However, I don't think that we should engage in the actions of forcing people to apologize for stupid comments. It stifles Free Speech and it makes martyers out of people like Ward Churchcill. Churchill is a complete and total fraud and he is being defended by a bunch of people that think they are doing the right thing. These are people that has a tunnel vision view of the world. They believe that if someone is in an academic environment then no one has a right to question their authority. It is blind, stupid, brain-washed, knee-jerk liberalism, but it is their right. You read his comments and you got it. You knew instinctively that the comment was stupid and wrong-headed, but the folks that blindly support Churchill when he lies about his Indian heritage truly believe that they are doing the right thing. You and I know that to be stupid, but we can only argue against their point of view--not force them into false apologizes, etc. Even if the Fred Bauder or the other Churchill apologists actually came clean and admitted that they are blindly defending Churchill on the fake Indian issue because they simply want to defend him because he is spouting off anti-America rhetoric, it wouldn't matter because we know that any apology would be as fake as Churchill. Just drop it and point out to them that no one in Indian Country really believes Churchill to be an Indian--expect liberal, white folks.-----User:Keetoowah 13:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) :: Well said. For more of my reply to you, see Talk:Ward_Churchill. User:Rex071404 User:216.153.214.94 13:32, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC) I hope you enjoy my reworking of the Ward Churchill article. Ward the turd is such a con artiste that I feel a little truth-saying might improve the eventual end article. It seems to have been hijacked by extreme liberals. I note from your bio material that you are in a much better position to make a rational assessment of Churchill's "work" which to my mind has been a good old fashioned "sting". Keep writing. User:Jolutz 02:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Churchill == Please see my reply to you at User talk:Zen-master. -- User:Curps 23:05, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) I added the Buffett link because I thought he was another example of a white guy with ethnic aspirations. I'm not sure if I'd be flattered or insulted if I were you. What do you think about WC's Native American status, is it true that many Indians have difficulties proving their ancestry of just those whose names start with Ward. User:TonyMarvin 02:56, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::In my business, I meet new people all the time. I have describe my background in detail to win new business. There is no way that I can get around my ethnic background in that situation because of the nature of what I have been doing for 25 years. I get so many stories from folks--that mean well and they have big hearts--about how they have an Cherokee Indian Princess in their background. When I hear that story--and I hear it a lot--I know that the person that is relating it to me because they want to make a connection with me, and that is a good thing, but I immediately know that they don't know what they are talking about. The Cherokees have never had Kings, Queens, Princes or Princesses. Royalty is a European thing. It is not an Indian thing. The Cherokees have never had European style royalty. It is a myth that has been created in the mind of Americans that the Indians had royalty and so and so comes from that great line of royalty. Being a fake Indian is great American tradition. It is irritating actually because so many peopel with European backgrounds have started pretending to be Indians. It is hip--post-1960s--to be an Indian. A white liberal cannot pretend to be an African-American or Asian-American because that will get them in a whole lot of trouble. They could pretend to be Hispanic, but that would require the white liberal to learn Spanish and then explain why he speaks Spanish as his first language when his parents spoke English as their first language. So that leaves American Indian. There is great tradition for white folks earning street credibility by pretending to be an Indian. It is similar to white teenage kids dressing up like inner city African-American kids and pretending to be gang-bangers. WC is just the latest in great line of FAKE Indians that includes Johnny Cash and Cher. Cash went around for years claiming to be Indian. It was later proven that his background was Scottish/Irish and he apologized. Cher went on national TV one nigh a week for years claiming to be a Cherokee Princess (which as I indicated before that there is no such thing). She later apologist and now states that it is just part of the act. Ward Churchcill can pretend to be American Indian and other liberals will defend him. If WC pretended to be African-American no one would defend him. He has not provided anything to prove his ancestry. When you look at the Census Bureau numbers on the numbers of Indians in the U.S. and then you look at the actual tribal roles you will see a huge difference. The tribal roles indicate that about one million American Indians are on tribal roles in the U.S., but when you look at the Census Bureau numbers it comes to 2 million to 4 million--depending upon how you count it. What is the difference? Well, the Tribal roles require that the individual Indian provide actual documentation of their American Indian background. But the Census Bureau does NOT require that information. Anyone can mark down whether they are an Indian or not. There is no requirement to provide paperwork to back up the claim. It is accepted at face value. So what we have with WC is an example of someone that self-reports being an Indian and he does NOT have one shred of evidence that he is an Indian, so he would qualify under the Census Bureau rule (of absolutely no paperwork) but he does not qualify to be listed on any of the tribal roles that he claims membership in. Notice that WC also claims to be in several different tribes from different parts of the country!!! That is in itself is a joke. He has claimed--in various magazine articles, newspaper articles, and book covers--to be Cherokee, Keetoowah, Creek and Metis. He is part of three different tribes and he cannot provide the name of one ancestor in any of these tribes. I can understand if he cannot provide the name of the Metis or he cannot provide the name of the Creek or he cannot provide the name of the Cherokee, BUT ALL THREE!!!!! Notice also that in the different articles sometimes he is 1/4 Cherokee, 1/8 Creek, 1/8 Metis, but in other articles he is more Creek,less Cherokee (no Metis) and in completely different articles he is just Cherokee. The story that he has been sticking with for the last couple years--now that everyone is paying attention--is that he is 3/16th Cherokee. All of these claims are in writing. That is crazy! Look, if you are an American of German descent you can name either your mother or father of German descent, right? But WC cannot name his mother or his father or his grandfather or grandmother, etc. NO ONE! Why? Because it is a figment of his imagination. Why does he claim to be something that he is not? Because it provides him upward mobility in an academic environment. Schools like the Univ of Colorado want to have a diverse teaching staff--it is a quality that is prized in the academic world (which is not necessarily a bad thing), but in their rush to fill slots with one Asian-American over here and one African-American over there, etc. they are willing to take just about anyone that claims an American Indian background. Notice that the liberals that defend WC are always pointing to Russell Means. Yes, Means is a well-known American Indian spokesman, but that does NOT make WC one!!!!! Does that mean that WC is an Indian by association? What a load. Anyway, enough about WC's fake Indian story. Your original question was: is it true that many Indians have difficulties proving their ancestry of just those whose names start with Ward? Well, it would seem to me that it is difficult to prove his status because he has no information on which to prove his status. it is simple as that. If his mother was an Indian why can't he prove it? If his father was an Indian why can't he prove it? It is a joke. I'm not even going to talk about Indiana where he grew up (there is not a large population of Indians there), etc. Thanks for the question. At least someone is thinking about it and not just taking his claims at face value.--User:Keetoowah 13:36, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the response. I must admit I approached this assuming that WC was a political radical who was being shafted for stating unpopular views which should be protected. But the more I learn about him the more it becomes clear that there are real problems there. Very interesting. User:TonyMarvin 15:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Janice Rogers Brown == Thanks for your work on the Janice Rogers Brown article - I appreciate having my occasional biases reigned in. I do think it's important to get a good start on articles for everyone on Bush's "potential nominee" list, as these pages will all get very hectic when Rehnquist actually leaves the court, and are likely to go through vandalism hell when someone actually gets the nom. btw, turns out there's quite a few of us law students here! -- BD
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