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Brussels.">Image:Jimbo at Fosdem cropped.jpg|thumb|250px|Jimbo Wales speaking at FOSDEM 2005 in Brussels. Jimmy Donal \"Jimbo\" Wales (born August 7, 1966) is an Internet entrepreneur and a wiki enthusiast, best known for founding Wikipedia. ==Early life== Wales was born in Huntsville, Alabama, Alabama. He first attended Auburn University and later, the University of Alabama for his undergraduate studies. Afterwards, he took courses offered in the Ph.D. finance programs at the University of Alabama and Indiana University Bloomington. He taught at both universities during his postgraduate studies, but did not write the doctoral dissertation required to earn a postgraduate degree at these institutions. Wales went on to become a futures contract and stock options trader in Chicago, and within a few years became financially secure and independently wealthy. In the mid-1990s, Wales founded a targeted search portal for pop culture called Bomis. Bomis sells original content, including a "Bomis Babes" adult-content section. Wales is no longer president or CEO of Bomis, and now devotes most of his time to his wiki projects. In March 2000, he founded a peer-reviewed open-content encyclopedia Nupedia ("the free encyclopedia"), and hired Larry Sanger to be the editor-in-chief of it. ==Recent work== ===The development of Wikipedia=== On January 15, 2001, Wales and Sanger set up Wikipedia, a similar wiki-based site intended for collaboration on early encyclopedic content before submitting it to Nupedia for peer review. Wikipedia's rapid growth soon made ''it'' the dominant project and "the free encyclopedia", and Nupedia was mothballed. (Sanger did most of the early development of Wikipedia, while Wales mainly provided the necessary capital. Because Sanger was Wales' employee, Wales considers himself the sole founder of Wikipedia, though Sanger continues to call himself the "co-founder".) [[Image:Jimbo Wales in France cropped.jpg|right|thumb|200px|Jimmy Wales in Paris, France]] In mid-2003, Wales set up the Wikimedia, a Tampa, Florida-based non-profit organization, to support Wikipedia and its younger sister projects. Since then, he has become increasingly involved with promoting and speaking about the foundation's projects. As of 2005, Wales is the foundation's president and chairman of the board. In 2004, Wales had been quoted as saying that he spent around US$500,000 on the establishment and operations of his Wiki projects. By the end of the foundation's February 2005 fund drive, the Wikimedia Foundation was being supported entirely by grants and donations. Wales is sometimes wryly referred to as Wikipedia's "benevolent dictator" or its "God-King," although he very rarely tells the community what to do. ''Wired'' magazine's Daniel Pink, while profiling Wikipedia for the magazine's March 2005 issue, quipped that "The God-King drives a Hyundai Motor Company." Despite the creation of the Wikimedia Foundation, Wales retained ultimate control by appointing, in addition to himself, two business partners who are not active Wikipedia editors to the five-member board, thus effectively having a controlling three-vote majority, although he has stated that if the two members of the board who edit Wikipedia vote the same way on something, he will cast his vote in their favor, effectively giving them the controlling majority. ===Other projects=== More recently, perhaps inspired by the success of Wikipedia, Wales has founded two for-profit projects: Wikia, which runs Wikiasari, a wiki-style search engine; and Wikicities, a wiki hosting service. Wales was appointed a fellow of the Berkman Center for Internet and Society at the Harvard Law School in 2005. ==Trivia== *Wales admires the objectivist philosophy of Ayn Rand, and while in graduate school owned and moderated an Electronic mailing list known as the "Moderated Discussion of Objectivist Philosophy." He also takes an interest in Gun politics in the United States and United States constitutional law. *Wales lives in St. Petersburg, Florida, with his wife Christine and daughter Kira. *Wales is a stamp collector, and has acquired quite a few stamps from various countries all over the world since he began in 1997. ==Published works== * Robert Brooks, Jon Corson and J. Donal Wales, "The Pricing of Index Options When the Underlying Assets All Follow a Lognormal Diffusion," in ''Advances in Futures and Options Research'', volume 7, 1994. ==References== *Pink, Daniel H., "The Book Stops Here," ''Wired'', March 3, 2005. [http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/13.03/wiki.html?pg=3&topic=wiki&topic_set=] ==External links== *[http://www.jimmywales.com/ Personal home page] *[http://blog.jimmywales.com/ Personal blog] *[http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/techinnovations/2003-06-30-wiki_x.htm USA Today interview] *[http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6298340/site/newsweek/ Newsweek article] *[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Wales' Wikipedia user page] *[http://www.prodigem.com/torrents/details.php?id=296 Video of Jimmy Wales discussing Wikipedia] 40 minutes from a talk Jimmy held at Stanford on 2005-02-09 available as an avi in torrent form and licensed under the Creative Commons *[http://www.itconversations.com/shows/detail443.html IT Conversations interview with Jimbo] - recorded 2005-03-09 Entrepreneurs 1966 births People from Alabama People from Florida Wikipedia history li:Jimmy Wales

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I have dropped my opposition to a page about me, but I think we're going to have to watch it carefully for trolling. It might even need to be generally protected, I don't know. User:Jimbo Wales 02:51, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==Name== "Jimbo Wales" gets 2500 google hits, "Jimmy Wales" gets 12,900. I think this article should be moved there. User:Anthony DiPierro User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning 03:14, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC) :cf :de:Jimmy Wales, I agree. User:KateUser:Kate | User talk:Kate 03:20, 2004 Sep 9 (UTC) :: I note User:Jimbo Wales [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Jimmy_Wales&oldid=5754247 revision as of 02:49, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)] was "''Jimmy Wales is a person.''" User:Sabre23t 04:01, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Non-encyclopedic trivia == Please limit the kinds of trivia you include in this article, as with any biography. Family details seem like they might be out of place. I can't find the australian interview; is that where the stat on 'USD spent on wiki/nupedia' came from? In any case, I removed the broken external link and the stat. User:Sj+">User Talk:Sj 08:36, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==A few verifiable facts and some opinions== Some factual material that may be helpful: * [http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=224870 this is my published academic work in options pricing] * Many press sources about me can be found on my homepage, but probably even more can be found on the WIkipedia news page. * Bomis still owns the Ferrari, because the contest winner chose to accept cash instead. (This is confirmable by a photograph if anyone needs proof...) Some opinions and unverifiable biographical facts: * While it is sort of ok to call me a "firearms enthusiast" it is more accurate to say that I take a strong interest in firearms policy and legal issues, especially constitutional issues. I own guns, but I hardly ever go shooting, and I have never in my life gone hunting. It's really more of an intellectual hobby than a practical hobby. *It would make the most sense I think to add "while in graduate school in the early 1990s" to the bit about my moderating the philosophy mailing list -- it puts that bit into perspective in the story of my life. *The Herald Sun article is talking about Australian dollars. A later article in Time estimated the number at $500,000 US dollars total. Both numbers came direcctly from me, so it's interesting to me to think about the process by which something I said to a journalist becomes a fact after they print it. :-) *The bit about 'erotic images' is true, but it makes me laugh. I think of my time at Bomis as being marked by our early entry into the internet market, our early use of and promotion of the dmoz open source data, etc. But, you know, whatever. ==Linkage== User:·, I and others have already explained this: pages in the Wikipedia:Namespace should not link directly to pages in other namespaces. If such links are necessary, they should be treated like links to an external website. Reread Wikipedia:Avoid self-references if you haven't picked this up yet. User:MirvUser talk:Mirv Special:Emailuser/Mirv 05:08, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) :It's clearly an ''internal'' link and ''not'' an external one. If you are very concerned about self-reference, the link can be omitted. Please don't sully the article with factual inaccuracies such as designating internal links as external. User:· 05:12, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::Both User:Jimbo Wales and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jimbo_Wales Wales' Wikipedia user page] take the reader to the same page—and Wikipedia:Avoid self-references on the matter is clear, so why are you making such a big issue of this? User:MirvUser talk:Mirv Special:Emailuser/Mirv 05:15, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::You (·) don't seem understand..Using the external link syntax wasn't a factual inaccuracy. However, if internal links are used, it will be _transformed_ into a factual inaccuracy as soon as someone mirrors the Jimmy Wales article on another site. They may not include the User namespace, or their version of the user page may get edited without Jimmy knowing it or it may simply become outdated. — User:Chmod007 05:18, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) I hold accuracy above any possible modification made to the database by re-users. If you have a great urge to link to ''internal'' pages as if they were external, I will allow you to wallow in your own folly. The tiny external link arrow shall be your punishment. User:· 05:28, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Haha :-). Anyway, remember that the purpose of the project is to build an encyclopaedia and that the web site (and associated talk, user and wikipedia namespace pages) are just vehicles. Another problem with using the internal link syntax is that, when printed, there will be no sign of where the user page (or wikimeet page) is located (or even it is a link, since links are not underlined when printed). The URL of an external link is displayed in print. — User:Chmod007 05:50, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::User pages are external to the encyclopedia itself. Wikipedia the project (including user pages, talk pages, policy pages, etc.) is distinct from Wikipedia the encyclopedia (which is just the article namespace). I don't think it is "wallowing in folly" to make that distinction. User:Jimbo Wales 12:41, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==Citation== ''Wales owned a yellow Ferrari 308, which was photographed with adult model and actress Aria Giovanni as part of a promotion.'' Anyone care to cite this? According to Jimbo, the Ferrari is owned by Bomis. User:Anthony DiPierro User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning 11:53, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) :For marketing purposes, the car was referred to as mine. It's like "Win Bill Gates Ferrari!" But as a legal matter it was and is purchased and owned by Bomis. It now sits idle with flat tires in a friend's garage because I haven't bothered to maintain it, and it's too much trouble right now to sell it. User:Jimbo Wales 12:43, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) I've removed it, as I think mentioning a car which is owned by a company which is run by Jimbo is beyond "trivial". But if someone wants to add it back, as long as it doesn't say (without attribution) that "Wales owned" the car, I won't object. User:Anthony DiPierro User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning 13:15, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) :I think we should work out what percentage of the car Jimbo owned, then truncate the sentence at that point, it would fit in well with our methods of resolving issues like Gdansk. :) User:PakaranUser talk:Pakaran 17:14, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC) ==Other Stuff== Shouldn't the full in the introduction be given as James Donald Wales instead of Jimmy? User:Ausir 20:32, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC) :My full name is 'Jimmy Donal Wales', not 'James Donald Wales' User:Jimbo Wales 20:55, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC) My actual birthday is August 7th, 1966. This is unverifiable information, I'm sorry to say, since my driver's license and passport say August 8. If we must revert on that basis, then I guess we must. *g*. Maybe I'll have to upload a signed note from my mom as documentary evidence; the only proof that I have is her sayso. :-) User:Jimbo Wales 20:55, 18 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Well, we don't have a timezone listed, so the date is ambiguous to within one day anyway. :) User:Anthony DiPierro User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning 17:20, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC) =="spent"== Why use "spent" when a better word is "donated". Spent has a connotation as in “expecting profit” or “money lost”, while donated more correctly refers to the support of the wiki projects. User:GeneralPatton 10:42, 19 Sep 2004 (UTC) :I don't agree with that at all. "I spent 100 bucks on a fantastic whore last night" (hypothetically speaking) - I didn't expect profit, and I don't consider it "money lost". "Abramovich spent ₤100 million on Chelsea" (or however much it was) - he certainly doesn't expect profit, but this is not money lost - it's bought him status and fame. So should we say "Abramovich ''donated'' 100 million to Chelsea FC?" I think not. Now, if it was ''somebody else's'' project, we would talk about Mr Wales donating that cash, but as it is, "spend" is perfectly accurate, however philanthropic we may consider the Wikipedia project to be. User:Palefire :While most the money was being spent Wikimedia, the non-profit, wasn't even in existence. Also, AFAIK, Jimbo has always said that his purpose in creating Wikipedia was for selfish as opposed to altruistic reasons. User:Anthony DiPierro User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning 17:24, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC) ==Section by Marco Krohn== I moved this paragraph from the main article, since I don't believe it is encyclopaedic and it is very self-referential. It is © User:Marco Krohn. — User:Chmod007 12:01, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC) === About this article === After a long history of reverts this article started containing only one sentence: "Jimmy Wales is a person.". This very short form of an article is called a "stub" among Wikipedians. The usefullness of such stubs is disputed within Wikiedia. In this case the article start is an allusion to the 50.000 French article, which was "La nèfle est un fruit." and whose background was described in a beautiful posting by Anthere [http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/wikipedia-l/2004-August/016865.html]. == Amateur Announcement == * hello, do you think that we should call Mr. Wales as the father of Wikipedia? Thanks. * Dear Mr. Wales, may I know how many Users are there/ May I know how to promote more Wikipedia users, espcially people from my highly developed Singapore? Thanks. I hope that wikipedia will increase its article growth rate by 10 times in 16 months time. how? Thanks. User:Chan Han Xiang ==Suggestions for the Wikipedia== I have the following humble suggestions for Wikipedia and the Wiki Think Tank. *Allow the Wikipedians to make entries about anything and everything as their firsthand knowledge or field of speciality. This will collect a great wealth of data at first and the evolutionary process (addition and editing) will make a crude material worth a reference. *The continuously editing and changing status of articles has both its pros and cons. There should be certain point that only necessary editing must be allowed and that should be only for those who are licensed (from the Wikipedia) and well reputed editors. The talk pages should be open for suggestions. *Some people (with an Wiki ID or anonymously or with changing IDs) have taken control of certain articles/topics and they are acting as Wiki Lords. They are editing articles to project their own points of view in a clandestine way and only professional people can detect such a behavior. Due to this behavior a large number of scholars, intellectuals and researchers are yet not taking Wikipedia seriously. This is against the evolutionary philosphy of Wikipedia. To nip this undemocratic behavior from the bud some thing must be done properly. For more details please see page Talk:Habib R. Sulemani User:203.82.48.55 == Extremely outdated list of Objectivism mailing lists == What does this issue do here? (I have a user name in he.wiki contact me through avi.aharon@gmail.com) :In my opinion, the whole bit about the Objectivism mailing list should be removed as pointless trivia. This is not a request or a policy statement, just the opinion of a knowledgeable editor. I ran a mailing list in college, so what? The extremely outdated list of mailing lists? What's the point of that? In my opinion, both these things could be safely omitted.--User:Jimbo Wales 18:34, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) == Video link == I added a link to a video I shot of Jimmy discussing Wikipedia (http://www.prodigem.com/torrents/details.php?id=296) which I released under a creative commons license. If this is an innapropriate place for it, please feel free to move it. Let me know (gary@lerhaupt.com). ==Bomis== Hello, I have added the factual information that Bomis' (main/only?) revenue is from the sale of pornography. This has been twice removed, without an explanation. Thanks, Fernsworth :It is absolutely untrue. Bomis receives the overwhelming percentage of its revenue from advertising sales in deal with Google and Infospace. The mature audience (NOT pornography) portion of the business is significantly less than 10% of total revenues. I am no longer the CEO of bomis, and have done virtually no work on Bomis for the past two years. --User:Jimbo Wales 18:38, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) I am not going to risk getting into trouble editing this article but the bit on Bomis read to me like an advertisement for them. I cannot say the same thing for the Bomis article, just this one. --User:SqueakBox 02:53, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC) I don't know the definition of pornography in your jurisdiction, but in mine, mere nudity does not legally qualify. User:David.Monniaux 20:46, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC) == I was *this close* to editing myself == Yikes, I have generally avoided reading articles about me and related matters, but today I did, and I found a number of major factual problems. I was *this close* to editing this article myself, but decided that my longstanding ban on editing myself is a good thing overall. So I offer my editorial suggestions here in the spirit of sharing information. 1. My academic career included publication of an article in a peer-reviewed academic journal. You can look it up at the link I provided above, some months ago. This is significantly more important and relevant than that I was the moderator of a mailing list, which strikes me as rather absurd trivia. The Pricing of Index Options When the Underlying Assets All Follow a Lognormal Diffusion ADVANCES IN FUTURES AND OPTIONS RESEARCH, Volume 7, 1994 Robert Brooks , Jon Corson and J. Donal Wales University of Alabama - Department of Economics, Finance and Legal Studies , University of Alabama - Department of Mathematics and Affiliation Unknown - General 2. The article should reflect that I am no longer the CEO or President of Bomis. 3. The question of how to describe the business of Bomis is of course an interesting one. I do not like to see it described as "pornography" because unless you have a very very uptight view of the world, it is not pornography. I'd say that 'adult content' is fine or 'content for mature audiences' or something of that nature. I leave it to the judgment of the editors, but if Bomis is pornography, so is a significant proportion of the output of Hollywood. :I would describe it as ''softcore'' porn. But different people have different definitions for stuff like that. Maybe it'd be better to call it 'erotica' - do you find that has a different (weaker) meaning? - User:Mark 06:37, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC) 4. It is not correct to say that "With Larry Sanger, Wales in 2001 founded..." I founded Wikipedia, Larry just worked for me. The idea for using a wiki orginally came to me from an employee -- Jeremy Rosenfeld. I am adding a note to the Bomis article's talk page about this one as well.--User:Jimbo Wales 18:52, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Staying out of it myself, Sanger actively and frequently calls himself co-founder. This is notable. --User:Alterego 21:14, Mar 14, 2005 (UTC) Just discovered this bomis thing, clicked on the link to see by myself, recognized instantly 3 famous porn stars. Bomis is indeed porn. The soft kind (softcore) but porn anyways. 'adult content' or 'content for mature audience' is just another 'politically correct' biased way to say porn. A significant proportion of the output of hollywood could easily fall under the porn category, this seems correct as a significant of this output contains indeed 'adult content' or 'content for mature audience' such as sexy babes with big boobs, sex, etc. The question is why trying to deny that, and what is shameful about porn ? porn is the origin for many innovating breakthroughs and not only in the evolution of ways of thinking and perceiving, but in other too such as Internet, DVD video, DV movies, multiangle DVD... * There's a difference between 'Bomis has porn' and 'Bomis is porn'. For an approximate comparison, we could say "Slashdot is [about] Linux." -User:Fennec User_Talk:Fennec 06:38, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC) :: wow! that's quite a sloppy approximation. Seems there some kind of a mix-up here between has / is / is about. A less approximate would be "Slashdot has Linux information" / "Slashdot is Linux information" or "Slashdot is Linux informative". The point here is that a website ''about'' porn doesn't mean that website ''has'' porn content. Bomis has porn content and as a matter of fact is porn. Unless I'm mistaken, when a publication contains porn, it is categorized as porn. - Izwalito *I dislike the use of 'adult' (or 'mature') to describe material that's of primary interest to sniggering or masturbating adolescents (of whatever age). I remember the shock I got when I saw a book of mine (popular philosophy) listed as 'adult reading' on one bookshop's page. User:Mel Etitis (Μελ_Ετητης)">User talk:Mel Etitis 08:43, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC) ==OGG!== Image:Jimbowales.ogg == Just curious... == Is this the most vandalized Wikipedia article? ---User:Isaac Rabinovitch 00:53, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) :From what I have seen, articles whose topics people already care about are vandalised more than articles important to Wikipedia. User:119 02:57, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Congrats == *I just wanna congragulate Jimmy Wales and Wikipedia for there was an article written on them in the June 6 issue of ''TIME'' magazine. --User:Megabyte73 01:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==You're all horrid and I hate you (drums little heels on floor) == I have written to you about the obscene distortions and lies being printed on the JTF.ORG article but you have not responded. The person writing the lies is a Nazi supporter of the former white racist regimes in southern Africa who has the gall to call JTF "racist." Is Nazi anti-Semitism and racism officially sanctioned at wikipedia? So far, it is. I think we need to convince JTF and the other parties who have been deliberately slandered in the articles to file suit against you and wikipedia for intentionally and knowingly libeling them. You have to admit it would make for a fascinating trial! And it would force you to finally reveal the real motivations behind wikipedia--which are NOT some "service to the public." I would love to see you deposed in which you would be required to answer under oath thousands of questions or automatically forfeit the case. == What About That Article on the Pricing of Index Options == I, for one, would love a link, if the article itself is web-accessible, or a brief summary, if it isn't. --User:Christofurio 00:56, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) : Please ignore the above. I've discovered the link I wanted. --User:Christofurio 12:39, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) == Text concerning origins == The anon's text is PoV in hat presents as fact the claims made by Sanger. One could simply word it more neutrally, but I think that some corroborating evidence should be provided, rather than just his own memoir. User:Mel Etitis (Μελ_Ετητης)">User talk:Mel Etitis 11:51, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) == to avoid confusion... == ...should there not be a note saying this? *"Not to be confused with the Britain film director James Whale" The seem similar enough that some readers may be confused.--User:67.142.129.10 11:04, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Political Party Donations == Is it true that Jimmy Wales is a substantial party donor?

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The content of the page was: #REDIRECT User talk:Jimbo Wales It is doubtfull that Jimbo created another account to unban a hard banned user, therefore it is suspected that this was an impersonation attempt. User:Gentgeen 11:27, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) ---- JoeM, you're doing a great job making Republicans look bad. Grow up. No editor is more radical than you are. You won't find anyone's rants on George Bush concerning his cocaine use like you have made concerning Clinton's pot use. Are you really too dense to realize that you were banned not because you are a conservative, but because you contribute absolutely no factual information to Wikipedia, but instead lecture readers about why people in countries other than America are inferior? There are many conservatives on Wikipedia, but unlike you they contribute facts to articles and let the readers make thier own judgements. That's the difference between a normal user and a mentally-defective individual such as yourself. Oh, one more thing: please don't upload any more pictures of you disgracing the American flag by putting your filthy hands on it. --User:NoPetrol 19:48, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC) == Judeo-Christian values my ass! == It seems, JoeM, that you are a fan of attacking politicians who you disagree with by saying that their policies are a "break from Judeo-Christian values". "''In another huge break with Judeo-Christian values (which allowed the West led by America to invent democracy, capitalism, freedom, industrial technology, information technology, defeat evil time and time again, while Muslims are inclined toward dictatorships and terrorism, the collectivist Chinese gravitate toward infanticide and Communist totalitarianism, the Indians swim in filthy rivers to get better and pray to elephant statues, and the African societies are ripe with tribalism and cannibalism)...''" [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Howard_Dean&oldid=2104556] Yeah. That's what you put on Jean Chrétien's article and on Howard Dean's article. Look, I hate to break it to you, because this is supposed to be the job of your teachers or history books, but since you are obviously lacking in education (probably because you refuse to attend school because you consider it a socialist institution), I'm going to spell it out for you: AMERICA WAS NOT FOUNDED BY CHRISTIANS, AND WAS NOT DEVELOPED BY CHRISTIANS! George Washington was a Deism, so was Thomas Jefferson (who said that "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man", and also that “Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law"), along with about half of the signers of the Declaration of Independence. You could learn something by studying America's founding fathers, and I think you would find that they wouldn't like you very much. It wasn't just our founding fathers who weren't Christian; you also mention how Judeo-Christian values led to the invention of industrial technology and information technology? You've got a pretty impressive collection of bullshit there. Christianity has done nothing but hinder scientific advancement, from the outlawing of discussion about the possibility that the world was round during the time of Leonardo Da Vinci (who was, by the way, a Pagan), to the current hindrance of medical discovery for the sake of protecting microscopic goo. You know, JoeM, or Infinate justice, or whatever the hell your name is now, none of the great thinkers of this or any time was a Christian. Einstein, Heisenberg, Fermat, Hawking: they all think Christianity is crap. So why don't you think before criticizing Howard Dean or that Chrétien guy, whoever the hell he is, for not adhering to Judeo-Christian values, because according to the real inventors of Democracy, that's a good thing. --User:NoPetrol 07:47, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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