
{| border=1 align=right cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=300 style="margin: 0.5em 0 1em 1em; background: #ffffff; border: 1px #aaaaaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" |+Chechen Republic of Ichkeria |- | style="background:#ffffff;" align=center colspan=2 | {| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 |- | align=center width=130 | | align=center width=130 rowspan=2 | |- | align=center width=130 | Flag of Inchkeria |} |- | align=center colspan=2 style="background: #ffffff;" | |- | Official language || Chechen |- | Capital || Grozny |- | President of Chechnya || Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev |- | Area
– Total
– % water | List of countries by area
99,274 square kilometre
0.3% |- | Population
– Total
– Population density | (2000)
790,000
n/a |- | Independence
– Declared
– Recognition | From Russia
– November 1, 1991
– none |- | Gross domestic product
– Total (2003)
– GDP/head |
n/a
n/a |- | Currency || Russian Ruble |- | Time zone || Coordinated Universal Time +3 |- | National anthem || ''Death or Freedom'' |- | Top-level domain || .ru (.su still reserved by Russia) |- | List of country calling codes || 7 |} Ichkeria is a Turkic name for the central part of Chechnya. According to the legend, all "pure" Chechen teips originated there. When Chechen separatists proclaimed the independence of the Chechen Republic, they used the name Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (ChRI) to refer to independent Chechnya. In 1991, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudaev declared independence of Chechnya. Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev refused to recognize Chechen independence. Indeed, no country in the world recognized independent Chechnya. For the timeline of events that led to declaration of independence see History of Chechnya#Post-Soviet Chechnya. The main reason for the discriminative treatment of different independence declarations is a matter of the Soviet hierarchy of different regions: the international community decided to recognize those who had the Socialist Soviet Republic (SSR) status in the USSR (including Russia itself), while those with Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic (ASSR) status were not recognized. While the SSR's were theoretically (but not practically) semi-sovereign under the Soviet rule, the ASSR's were part of SSR's. The result was that some Central Asian republics became independent with reluctance, while some smaller but eagerly independence-minded republics (mainly Chechnya and Dagestan, but also Tatarstan and Tuva) had to choose between surrendering their nationhood or starting active resistance. Only the Chechens chose the latter. There are no countries that officially recognize Chechen independence, in part to avoid jeopardizing their diplomatic relationships with Russia. In the past, Chechen independence was recognized by the Taliban, but the ChRI never recognised the Taliban in turn. The Islamic State of Afghanistan has never recognized Chechen independence. In 1997, the Russian Federation undersigned the ''Peace Treaty and Principles of Interrelation between Russian Federation and Chechen Republic of Ichkeria'' which can be seen by some standards as a recognition of the ChRI by Russia. After the 1999 Chechen raid on Dagestan lead by Shamil Basayev and the consequent Second Chechen War, the Treaty is considered no longer in force by Russia. == See also == * Republics of the Soviet Union ==External links== * [http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm EP:The Background of Chechen Independence Movement V: The Dagestan Provocation] * [http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/chechtale.htm FMSO: A Tale of Two Theaters: Russian Actions in Chechnya in 1994 and 1999] * [http://www.chechnya-mfa.info/legal/1.htm Text of the Peace Treaty] * [http://www.newsbee.net/moscow/chhistory.html ASF, Edvard Kline, Chechen History] * [http://wwics.si.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=topics.publications&topic_id=1424&group_id=7718&doc_id=13514 Kennan Institute, Mikhail Alexseev, The North Caucasus Conflict and its Implications for Russia] * [http://www.globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=20 Global Politician, David Storobin, The Chechen fight for independence] * [http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/031006/story.html The Time's cover on Chechnya, 2003] Articles to be expanded Disputed territories Chechnya Caucasus
What's wrong with the explanation of international status of Chechnya and why is this paragraph fought for? User:Halibutt 13:40, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC) : It's full with false statements and inaccuracies, in addition it tries to create an alternative version of history as opposed to History_of_Chechnya. For example "Mikhail Gorbachev refused to recognize". That's untrue. He did not refuse. He was not in a capacity to refuse anything because he effectively lost any power following August 1991 coup. The "main reason for the discriminative treatment of different independence declarations" is some kind of wild speculation. "the international community decided to recognize" and the rest of the phrase is wrong. "mainly Chechnya and Dagestan," is yet another speculation with respect to Dagestan. In my opinion, the writing is horribly broken. --User:Gene s 13:47, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :: Wait a minute ! Gorby returned back to the office for a short period after the coup d'etat failed, but nevertheless he didn't recognise Chechnya then, nor Yeltsin did but sent troops in.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::: Produce evidence of a statement by Gorbachev, where he refused to recognize Chechnya. I empheside refused to recognize, not just ignored their claim of independence. ::: I would like to point out that the other objections were ignored. --User:Gene s == This is very usual... == Personally, I tend to believe this is a kind of information war. Anyway, this has been commonplace all too often --User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 13:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) And besides, dear Gene S, you didn't dare to read the given documents well enough before you counter-edited. Don't you want that the people read unbiased info instead of pro-Moscow versions of the issues?--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:05, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) : Please answer objections listed above one by one. Otherwise I will revert again. --User:Gene s 14:17, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :: I am afraid that I have to re-insist you on reading the given documents. Furthermore, I tend to believe that you would benefit in this regard from discussing for example with Mr Storobin about the said details up to the extent of utmost eruditeness.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:46, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::: And I insist that you produce evidence from an impartial source. The "given document" opens as ''Brought to their knees after years of war, Chechens have temporarily accepted Russian rule''. That is NOT a document. It's POV propaganda. --User:Gene s ::: What yuo said above is just your opinion. Do you know the difference between the fact and the opinion ? Provide some reliable evidence that Mr Storobin deliveres just propaganda otherwise I keep on believing that either you can't English properly, or you just amuse yourself as an diletante without any scholar view on things you discuss about.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 15:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::: For the record. You failed to provide any evidence in support of your claims. The reasonable URLs that you gave http://www.newsbee.net/moscow/chhistory.html and http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/031006/story.html actulally do not support your claims. --User:Gene s 15:23, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::: Fot the record. You failed to provide evidence for your counter-act but produced some quasi-scientific nit-picking instead. You might be just misleading. The reasonable URL you lef aside (purposely?) don't support your claim. http://www.globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=20 --User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 15:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) == David Storobin Responds == 1. It's interesting that I am being accused of pro-Islamic propaganda. I do pride myself on being a straight shooter, and if that means siding with Muslims or against Muslims, so be it. People who read only a small part of my writing and disagree with it, sometimes accuse me of bias. Yet, you'll find that I take different stands on different issues, regardless of the people's race, religion or ethnicity. In my articles, available at http://www.globalpolitician.com, you'll find that I never take a stand for or against anyone on consistent basis and judge all by the actions they've taken in the current situation. : That's very good that you pride yourself. On the other hand, here you appear as someone who mostly tries to promote a web site by adding links to every political article and claiming credits. Do you see any other wiki articles where people add "this paragraph was written by Joe Schmoe from www.example.com"? That's called link spamming. Even in this discussion you don't forget to insert a link to your web site. : Any discussion should be about merits of the writing, and about provable facts. The writing which starts as ''Brought to their knees after years of war, Chechens have temporarily accepted Russian rule'' sounds like loaded (language) and propaganda to me. You are NOT accused of anything else, but producing a piece which looks like point-of-view propaganda. It's possible that all your other writing is perfectly balanced, but this specific piece looks like propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less. 2. I've spent a significant amount of time in Chechnya. Anyone who thinks that Chechens accepted being part of Russia out of their sudden love for Russians is simply ignorant of what's going on there. Chechens hate Russians. Russians may or may not deserve their hate, but Chechens truly hate them. If they could win independence, they would continue to fight. And trust me, in time, they will rise again. : I've been to Vatican many times. That does not make me an expert in Pope affairs. Please produce poll results where N% of Chechens say they hate Russians. That would be a great addition to any Chechnya-related article. On the other hand, if you find any article where it says "Chechens accepted being part of Russia out of their sudden love for Russians", please let me know. I would immediately correct it as a false statement. : Please keep in mind that this talk page is NOT a political forum. It's not about your or mine political views. It's a discussion on the merits of specific writing in this online encyclodedia. Thank you. : --User:Gene s 08:00, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) 3. This doesn't mean that I support Chechen independence. Due to the terror sponsored by Arab-sponsored Chechen fundamentalists, I now oppose sovereignty for them because it would signal to the world that terrorism works. But my opposition to Chechen independence does not mean that I cannot accurately state that they want sovereignty and statehood. == Copyright issue - verbatum copy == The edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ichkeria&diff=0&oldid=9642948] are nearly a verbatum copy of http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm. Please clarify the copyright issue. When was the permission obtained? --User:Gene s 15:03, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) Please provide evidence that a permission to republish was obtained from the copyright holder of http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm --User:Gene s 05:36, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC) Cany anyone give me the political parties of the chechen presidents?? , V.C.
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{| border=1 align=right cellpadding=4 cellspacing=0 width=300 style="margin: 0.5em 0 1em 1em; background: #ffffff; border: 1px #aaaaaa solid; border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 95%;" |+Chechen Republic of Ichkeria |- | style="background:#ffffff;" align=center colspan=2 | {| border=0 cellpadding=2 cellspacing=0 |- | align=center width=130 | | align=center width=130 rowspan=2 | |- | align=center width=130 | Flag of Inchkeria |} |- | align=center colspan=2 style="background: #ffffff;" | |- | Official language || Chechen |- | Capital || Grozny |- | President of Chechnya || Abdul-Khalim Sadulayev |- | Area
– Total
– % water | List of countries by area
99,274 square kilometre
0.3% |- | Population
– Total
– Population density | (2000)
790,000
n/a |- | Independence
– Declared
– Recognition | From Russia
– November 1, 1991
– none |- | Gross domestic product
– Total (2003)
– GDP/head |
n/a
n/a |- | Currency || Russian Ruble |- | Time zone || Coordinated Universal Time +3 |- | National anthem || ''Death or Freedom'' |- | Top-level domain || .ru (.su still reserved by Russia) |- | List of country calling codes || 7 |} Ichkeria is a Turkic name for the central part of Chechnya. According to the legend, all "pure" Chechen teips originated there. When Chechen separatists proclaimed the independence of the Chechen Republic, they used the name Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (ChRI) to refer to independent Chechnya. In 1991, as the Soviet Union was collapsing, Chechen President Dzhokhar Dudaev declared independence of Chechnya. Russian President Boris Yeltsin and Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev refused to recognize Chechen independence. Indeed, no country in the world recognized independent Chechnya. For the timeline of events that led to declaration of independence see History of Chechnya#Post-Soviet Chechnya. The main reason for the discriminative treatment of different independence declarations is a matter of the Soviet hierarchy of different regions: the international community decided to recognize those who had the Socialist Soviet Republic (SSR) status in the USSR (including Russia itself), while those with Autonomous Socialist Soviet Republic (ASSR) status were not recognized. While the SSR's were theoretically (but not practically) semi-sovereign under the Soviet rule, the ASSR's were part of SSR's. The result was that some Central Asian republics became independent with reluctance, while some smaller but eagerly independence-minded republics (mainly Chechnya and Dagestan, but also Tatarstan and Tuva) had to choose between surrendering their nationhood or starting active resistance. Only the Chechens chose the latter. There are no countries that officially recognize Chechen independence, in part to avoid jeopardizing their diplomatic relationships with Russia. In the past, Chechen independence was recognized by the Taliban, but the ChRI never recognised the Taliban in turn. The Islamic State of Afghanistan has never recognized Chechen independence. In 1997, the Russian Federation undersigned the ''Peace Treaty and Principles of Interrelation between Russian Federation and Chechen Republic of Ichkeria'' which can be seen by some standards as a recognition of the ChRI by Russia. After the 1999 Chechen raid on Dagestan lead by Shamil Basayev and the consequent Second Chechen War, the Treaty is considered no longer in force by Russia. == See also == * Republics of the Soviet Union ==External links== * [http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm EP:The Background of Chechen Independence Movement V: The Dagestan Provocation] * [http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/chechtale.htm FMSO: A Tale of Two Theaters: Russian Actions in Chechnya in 1994 and 1999] * [http://www.chechnya-mfa.info/legal/1.htm Text of the Peace Treaty] * [http://www.newsbee.net/moscow/chhistory.html ASF, Edvard Kline, Chechen History] * [http://wwics.si.edu/index.cfm?fuseaction=topics.publications&topic_id=1424&group_id=7718&doc_id=13514 Kennan Institute, Mikhail Alexseev, The North Caucasus Conflict and its Implications for Russia] * [http://www.globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=20 Global Politician, David Storobin, The Chechen fight for independence] * [http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/031006/story.html The Time's cover on Chechnya, 2003] Articles to be expanded Disputed territories Chechnya Caucasus
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What's wrong with the explanation of international status of Chechnya and why is this paragraph fought for? User:Halibutt 13:40, Nov 22, 2004 (UTC) : It's full with false statements and inaccuracies, in addition it tries to create an alternative version of history as opposed to History_of_Chechnya. For example "Mikhail Gorbachev refused to recognize". That's untrue. He did not refuse. He was not in a capacity to refuse anything because he effectively lost any power following August 1991 coup. The "main reason for the discriminative treatment of different independence declarations" is some kind of wild speculation. "the international community decided to recognize" and the rest of the phrase is wrong. "mainly Chechnya and Dagestan," is yet another speculation with respect to Dagestan. In my opinion, the writing is horribly broken. --User:Gene s 13:47, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :: Wait a minute ! Gorby returned back to the office for a short period after the coup d'etat failed, but nevertheless he didn't recognise Chechnya then, nor Yeltsin did but sent troops in.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::: Produce evidence of a statement by Gorbachev, where he refused to recognize Chechnya. I empheside refused to recognize, not just ignored their claim of independence. ::: I would like to point out that the other objections were ignored. --User:Gene s == This is very usual... == Personally, I tend to believe this is a kind of information war. Anyway, this has been commonplace all too often --User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 13:52, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) And besides, dear Gene S, you didn't dare to read the given documents well enough before you counter-edited. Don't you want that the people read unbiased info instead of pro-Moscow versions of the issues?--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:05, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) : Please answer objections listed above one by one. Otherwise I will revert again. --User:Gene s 14:17, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :: I am afraid that I have to re-insist you on reading the given documents. Furthermore, I tend to believe that you would benefit in this regard from discussing for example with Mr Storobin about the said details up to the extent of utmost eruditeness.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 14:46, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) ::: And I insist that you produce evidence from an impartial source. The "given document" opens as ''Brought to their knees after years of war, Chechens have temporarily accepted Russian rule''. That is NOT a document. It's POV propaganda. --User:Gene s ::: What yuo said above is just your opinion. Do you know the difference between the fact and the opinion ? Provide some reliable evidence that Mr Storobin deliveres just propaganda otherwise I keep on believing that either you can't English properly, or you just amuse yourself as an diletante without any scholar view on things you discuss about.--User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 15:10, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::: For the record. You failed to provide any evidence in support of your claims. The reasonable URLs that you gave http://www.newsbee.net/moscow/chhistory.html and http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/031006/story.html actulally do not support your claims. --User:Gene s 15:23, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) :::: Fot the record. You failed to provide evidence for your counter-act but produced some quasi-scientific nit-picking instead. You might be just misleading. The reasonable URL you lef aside (purposely?) don't support your claim. http://www.globalpolitician.com/articles.asp?ID=20 --User:Björn-Isak Rosendahl 15:36, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC) == David Storobin Responds == 1. It's interesting that I am being accused of pro-Islamic propaganda. I do pride myself on being a straight shooter, and if that means siding with Muslims or against Muslims, so be it. People who read only a small part of my writing and disagree with it, sometimes accuse me of bias. Yet, you'll find that I take different stands on different issues, regardless of the people's race, religion or ethnicity. In my articles, available at http://www.globalpolitician.com, you'll find that I never take a stand for or against anyone on consistent basis and judge all by the actions they've taken in the current situation. : That's very good that you pride yourself. On the other hand, here you appear as someone who mostly tries to promote a web site by adding links to every political article and claiming credits. Do you see any other wiki articles where people add "this paragraph was written by Joe Schmoe from www.example.com"? That's called link spamming. Even in this discussion you don't forget to insert a link to your web site. : Any discussion should be about merits of the writing, and about provable facts. The writing which starts as ''Brought to their knees after years of war, Chechens have temporarily accepted Russian rule'' sounds like loaded (language) and propaganda to me. You are NOT accused of anything else, but producing a piece which looks like point-of-view propaganda. It's possible that all your other writing is perfectly balanced, but this specific piece looks like propaganda. Nothing more, nothing less. 2. I've spent a significant amount of time in Chechnya. Anyone who thinks that Chechens accepted being part of Russia out of their sudden love for Russians is simply ignorant of what's going on there. Chechens hate Russians. Russians may or may not deserve their hate, but Chechens truly hate them. If they could win independence, they would continue to fight. And trust me, in time, they will rise again. : I've been to Vatican many times. That does not make me an expert in Pope affairs. Please produce poll results where N% of Chechens say they hate Russians. That would be a great addition to any Chechnya-related article. On the other hand, if you find any article where it says "Chechens accepted being part of Russia out of their sudden love for Russians", please let me know. I would immediately correct it as a false statement. : Please keep in mind that this talk page is NOT a political forum. It's not about your or mine political views. It's a discussion on the merits of specific writing in this online encyclodedia. Thank you. : --User:Gene s 08:00, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC) 3. This doesn't mean that I support Chechen independence. Due to the terror sponsored by Arab-sponsored Chechen fundamentalists, I now oppose sovereignty for them because it would signal to the world that terrorism works. But my opposition to Chechen independence does not mean that I cannot accurately state that they want sovereignty and statehood. == Copyright issue - verbatum copy == The edits [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ichkeria&diff=0&oldid=9642948] are nearly a verbatum copy of http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm. Please clarify the copyright issue. When was the permission obtained? --User:Gene s 15:03, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC) Please provide evidence that a permission to republish was obtained from the copyright holder of http://www.cc.jyu.fi/~aphamala/pe/2003/tsets-5.htm --User:Gene s 05:36, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC) Cany anyone give me the political parties of the chechen presidents?? , V.C.
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