The Home Secretary (official full title Secretary of State for the Home Department) is the chief United Kingdom UK government minister responsible for law and order in England and Wales; his or her remit includes policing, the criminal justice system, the prison service, internal security, and matters of British nationality law and immigration. The Home Office has also previously dealt with social issues, including social exclusion, equality and race relations. Responsibility for social exclusion is now held by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. However, the Home Office continues to have responsibility for race equality, charities, the voluntary sector, and community policy. The position of Home Secretary is considered one of the great offices of state. Unlike many other governments, the British government has separate departments for the issues dealt with by the Home Office and for legal, judicial and civil rights issues; these have been dealt with by the Lord Chancellor's Department. Although there have been calls for the merger of this department with the Home Office, in June 2003 the government announced that it intended instead to abolish the office of Lord Chancellor and replace his department with a Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs headed by a Secretary of State. Because the Home Office was initially the primary government department with responsibility for domestic affairs, all subsequent domestic departments have effectively been created by taking responsibilities from the Home Office, leaving in addition to law and order a variety of miscellaneous tasks that have not yet been allocated to a government minister. Consequently the Home Secretary can find themselves dealing with matters as diverse as wild birds in Scotland, which towns in England and Wales are entitled to call themselves cities, and formal ceremonies appointing bishops in the Church of England. It is, however, the law and order function of the department that predominates overwhelmingly. ==Home Secretaries since 1782== *William Petty, 2nd Earl of Shelburne (March 27, 1782 - July 10, 1782) *Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney (July 10, 1782 - April 2, 1783) *Frederick North, Lord North: (April 2, 1783 - 19 December, 1783) *George Nugent-Temple-Grenville, 1st Marquess of Buckingham: (December 19, 1783 - December 23, 1783) (Resigned) *Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney (December 23, 1783 - June 5, 1789) *William Wyndham Grenville, 1st Lord Grenville (June 5, 1789 - June 8, 1791) *Henry Dundas (June 8 1791 - July 11 1794) *William Henry Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland (July 11, 1794 - July 30, 1801) *Thomas Pelham, 2nd Earl of Chichester (July 30, 1801 - August 17, 1803) *Charles Philip Yorke (August 17, 1803 - May 12, 1804) *Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool (May 12, 1804 - February 5, 1806) *George John Spencer, 2nd Earl Spencer (February 5, 1806 - March 25, 1807) *Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool (March 25, 1807 - November 1, 1809) *Richard Ryder (19th century politician) (November 1, 1809 - June 8, 1812) *Henry Addington, 1st Viscount Sidmouth (June 11, 1812 - January 17, 1822) *Robert Peel (January 17, 1822 - April 10, 1827) *William Sturges-Bourne (April 30, 1827 - July 16, 1827) *Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (July 16, 1827 - January 22, 1828) *Robert Peel (January 26, 1828 - November 22, 1830) *William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne (November 22, 1830 - July 16, 1834) *John William Ponsonby, 4th Earl of Bessborough (July 19, 1834 - November 15, 1834) *The Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington served as a Secretary of State ''pro tem'' (November 15, 1834 - December 15, 1834) *Henry Goulburn (December 15, 1834 - April 18, 1835) *John Russell, 1st Earl Russell (April 18, 1835 - August 30, 1839) *Constantine Henry Phipps, 1st Marquess of Normanby (August 30, 1839 - August 30, 1841) *Sir James Graham, 2nd Baronet (September 6, 1841 - June 30, 1846) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (July 6, 1846 - February 23, 1852) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (February 27, 1852 - December 19, 1852) *Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston (December 28, 1852- February 6, 1855) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (February 8, 1855 - February 26, 1858) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (February 26, 1858 - March 3, 1859) *Thomas Sotheron-Estcourt (March 3, 1859 - June 18, 1859) *George Cornewall Lewis (June 18, 1859 - July 25, 1861) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (July 25, 1861 - June 28, 1866) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (July 6, 1866 - May 17, 1867) *Gathorne Hardy, 1st Earl of Cranbrook (May 17, 1867 - December 3, 1868) *Henry Austin Bruce, 1st Baron Aberdare (December 9, 1868 - August 9, 1873) *Robert Lowe, 1st Viscount Sherbrooke (August 9, 1873 - February 20, 1874) *Richard Assheton Cross, 1st Viscount Cross (February 21, 1874 - April 23, 1880) *William Vernon Harcourt (politician) (April 28, 1880 - June 23, 1885) *Richard Assheton Cross, 1st Viscount Cross (June 24, 1885 - February 1, 1886) *Hugh Childers (February 6, 1886 - July 25, 1886) *Henry Matthews, 1st Viscount Llandaff (August 3, 1886 - August 15, 1892) *Herbert Henry Asquith (August 18, 1892 - June 25, 1895) *Matthew White Ridley, 1st Viscount Ridley (June 29, 1895 - November 12, 1900) *Charles Thomson Ritchie, 1st Baron Ritchie (November 12, 1900 - July 12, 1902) *Aretas Akers-Douglas, 1st Viscount Chilston (July 12, 1902 - December 5, 1905) *Herbert John Gladstone, 1st Viscount Gladstone (December 11, 1905 - February 19, 1910) *Winston Churchill (February 19, 1910 - October 24, 1911) *Reginald McKenna (October 24, 1911 - May 27, 1915) *John Allsebrook Simon (May 27, 1915 - January 12, 1916) *Herbert Samuel (January 12, 1916 - December 7, 1916) *George Cave, 1st Viscount Cave (December 11, 1916 - January 14, 1919) *Edward Shortt (January 14, 1919 - October 23, 1922) *William Clive Bridgeman, 1st Viscount Bridgeman (October 25, 1922 - January 22, 1924) *Arthur Henderson (January 23, 1924 - November 4, 1924) *William Joynson-Hicks, 1st Viscount Brentford (November 7, 1924 - June 5, 1929) *John Robert Clynes (June 8, 1929 - August 26, 1931) *Herbert Samuel, 1st Viscount Samuel (August 26, 1931 - October 1 1932) (Resigned) *John Gilmour (October 1 1932 - June 7, 1935) *John Allsebrook Simon (June 7, 1935 - May 28, 1937) *Samuel Hoare, 1st Viscount Templewood (May 28, 1937 - September 3, 1939) *John Anderson (UK politician) (September 4, 1939 - October 4, 1940) *Herbert Morrison (politician) (October 4, 1940 - May 23, 1945) *Donald Bradley Somervell, Baron Somervell (May 25, 1945 - July 26, 1945) *James Chuter Ede (August 3, 1945 - October 26, 1951) *David Patrick Maxwell Fyfe, 1st Earl of Kilmuir (October 27, 1951 - October 19 1954) *Gwilym Lloyd George, 1st Viscount Tenby (October 19, 1954 - January 14, 1957) *Rab Butler (January 14, 1957 - July 13, 1962) *Henry Brooke (politician) (July 13, 1962 - October 16, 1964) *Frank Soskice (October 18, 1964 - December 23, 1965) *Roy Jenkins (December 23, 1965 - November 30, 1967) *James Callaghan (November 30, 1967 - June 19, 1970) *Reginald Maudling (June 20, 1970 - July 18 1972) (Resigned) *Leonard Robert Carr, Baron Carr of Hadley (July 18, 1972 - March 4, 1974) *Roy Jenkins (March 5 1974 - September 10, 1976) *Merlyn Rees (September 10, 1976 - May 4, 1979) *William Whitelaw (May 5, 1979 - June 11, 1983) *Leon Brittan (June 11, 1983 - September 2, 1985) *Douglas Hurd (September 2, 1985 - October 26, 1989) *David Waddington (October 26, 1989- November 28, 1990) *Kenneth Baker (November 28, 1990 - April 10, 1992) *Kenneth Clarke (April 10, 1992 - May 27, 1993) *Michael Howard (May 27, 1993 - May 2, 1997) *Jack Straw (politician) (May 2, 1997 - June 8, 2001) *David Blunkett (June 8, 2001 - December 15, 2004) (Resigned) *Charles Clarke (December 15, 2004 -) Lists of British ministers Government of the UK
What the hell does it mean to say that the Lord Chancellor is unelected? All British cabinet ministers are unelected... User:John Kenney 08:29, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) He hasn't been elected as an MP (he's a hereditary peer IIRC.) :Well, I guess. But historically, most Lord Chancellors have been MPs when they are made Lord Chancellor. Then they are granted a peerage. Just about every Lord Chancellor, save Lord Bathurst, who inherited his title after he ceased to be Lord Chancellor, has been a peer of first creation (well, the 2nd Lord Hailsham is weird, because he renounced his hereditary peerage and then was granted a life peerage in order to become Lord Chancellor). At any rate, it's utterly insane to say that the office is bad because its holder is unelected. Whether or not someone is elected as an MP, I don't see what that has to do with the selection process for ministers, who are all chosen by the PM, at this point (and officially chosen by the Queen). At any rate, this is an issue from two months ago, so no real need to do anything about it - I already corrected the article. User:John Kenney 00:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC) ==annointment of bishops== Should this be anointment or appointment? I don't think Church of England bishops are normally an(n)ointed! User:Ross Burgess 16:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC) ==Proposed move to Home Secretary== *Support Common name User:Jguk 23:27, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) *support. I know we don't always use common names for offices, but this one's formal name is only used in really formal documents issued by the government. Pretty much every link to it will want to use "Home Secretary" as the link text, it would be easier this way. User:Morwen - User_talk:Morwen 23:29, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support - agreed. User:Violetriga User_talk:violetriga 23:44, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) * Support, though the formalism sits well with me. ;-) User:Jdforrester User_talk:Jdforrester 09:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support. Even the [http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/inside/org/ministers/clarke.html Home Office website] calls Clarke "Home Secretary". The official title is too obscure as the ministry is now called the "Home Office" not the "Home Department". User:Timrollpickering 09:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support, standard usage. User:Berek 12:45, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support - "common names" rule. --User:RbrwrUser talk:Rbrwr 13:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Garzo 15:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Ross Burgess 16:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 16:09, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) (should we combine Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs at Foreign Secretary? Of course, even Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs is already not unique, since the French had one in the 18th century, and foreign secretary might apply to German State Secretaries for Foreign Affairs of the late 19th/early 20th centuries) **Both "Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs" and even "Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs" are often still used in common discourse and a lot lists that aim to use the formal title (whereas this post is often formalised to "Secretary of State for Home Affairs"). But I'd agree with merging the pages in - the formal merger isn't that major a landmark in the history of the position and a continuous list from Fox to Straw is more useful. User:Timrollpickering 19:42, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ***Should we put the whole list at Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, and simply explain that it used to be just the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs? That would pave the way for turning Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs into a disambiguation page, which it probably should be...although we'd need to change a lot of links to do that, I think. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 20:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ---Discussion--- *I am a bit cautious about this move. The title ''Home Secretary'' may well be used by cabinet ministers of other countries, particularly Commonwealth countries. Therefore, even the present title might show limited geographic bias. User:Garzo 00:09, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I don't believe the term is used elsewhere. Can you cite an example? User:Jguk 09:39, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Statistics from the top 200 of a Google search[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Home+Secretary%22&btnG=Google+Search], using www.google.com/nsr to reduce bias towards Britain: **180 (90%) refer to the British minister. **7 refer to counterpart ministers outside Britain. **4 use the phrase "Shadow Home Secretary". **1 refers to the "home secretary of the National Academy of Sciences". **8 (4 in the top 10) talk about secretaries working from home. :User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 13:48, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::Yup, it looks like the UK is the only country to have a Cabinet minister titled ''Home Secretary'': I'll add my name to support. User:Garzo 15:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::as a matter of interest, what countries did the 7 ministers outside Britain represent? User:Ross Burgess 16:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::::[http://www.sarkaritel.com/ministries/home_affairs/ India], [http://management.silicon.com/government/0,39024677,10006228,00.htm France], [http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=8952&t=1&c=1 Nepal], [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_14-2-2004_pg7_39 either Pakistan or Pakistani Punjab], [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-7-2004_pg7_31 also in Pakistan], [http://www.blisty.cz/2002/1/7/art9600.html Czech Republic], and [http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050218/main4.htm Indian Punjab]. User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::::France doesn't have a minister actually called the Home Secretary. They have a Minister of the Interior. So, I would imagine, does the Czech Republic. I am uncertain about Nepal, India, and Pakistan. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 20:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) User:Violetriga User_talk:violetriga 18:59, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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The Home Secretary (official full title Secretary of State for the Home Department) is the chief United Kingdom UK government minister responsible for law and order in England and Wales; his or her remit includes policing, the criminal justice system, the prison service, internal security, and matters of British nationality law and immigration. The Home Office has also previously dealt with social issues, including social exclusion, equality and race relations. Responsibility for social exclusion is now held by the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister. However, the Home Office continues to have responsibility for race equality, charities, the voluntary sector, and community policy. The position of Home Secretary is considered one of the great offices of state. Unlike many other governments, the British government has separate departments for the issues dealt with by the Home Office and for legal, judicial and civil rights issues; these have been dealt with by the Lord Chancellor's Department. Although there have been calls for the merger of this department with the Home Office, in June 2003 the government announced that it intended instead to abolish the office of Lord Chancellor and replace his department with a Secretary of State for Constitutional Affairs headed by a Secretary of State. Because the Home Office was initially the primary government department with responsibility for domestic affairs, all subsequent domestic departments have effectively been created by taking responsibilities from the Home Office, leaving in addition to law and order a variety of miscellaneous tasks that have not yet been allocated to a government minister. Consequently the Home Secretary can find themselves dealing with matters as diverse as wild birds in Scotland, which towns in England and Wales are entitled to call themselves cities, and formal ceremonies appointing bishops in the Church of England. It is, however, the law and order function of the department that predominates overwhelmingly. ==Home Secretaries since 1782== *William Petty, 2nd Earl of Shelburne (March 27, 1782 - July 10, 1782) *Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney (July 10, 1782 - April 2, 1783) *Frederick North, Lord North: (April 2, 1783 - 19 December, 1783) *George Nugent-Temple-Grenville, 1st Marquess of Buckingham: (December 19, 1783 - December 23, 1783) (Resigned) *Thomas Townshend, 1st Viscount Sydney (December 23, 1783 - June 5, 1789) *William Wyndham Grenville, 1st Lord Grenville (June 5, 1789 - June 8, 1791) *Henry Dundas (June 8 1791 - July 11 1794) *William Henry Cavendish-Bentinck, 3rd Duke of Portland (July 11, 1794 - July 30, 1801) *Thomas Pelham, 2nd Earl of Chichester (July 30, 1801 - August 17, 1803) *Charles Philip Yorke (August 17, 1803 - May 12, 1804) *Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool (May 12, 1804 - February 5, 1806) *George John Spencer, 2nd Earl Spencer (February 5, 1806 - March 25, 1807) *Robert Banks Jenkinson, 2nd Earl of Liverpool (March 25, 1807 - November 1, 1809) *Richard Ryder (19th century politician) (November 1, 1809 - June 8, 1812) *Henry Addington, 1st Viscount Sidmouth (June 11, 1812 - January 17, 1822) *Robert Peel (January 17, 1822 - April 10, 1827) *William Sturges-Bourne (April 30, 1827 - July 16, 1827) *Henry Petty-Fitzmaurice, 3rd Marquess of Lansdowne (July 16, 1827 - January 22, 1828) *Robert Peel (January 26, 1828 - November 22, 1830) *William Lamb, 2nd Viscount Melbourne (November 22, 1830 - July 16, 1834) *John William Ponsonby, 4th Earl of Bessborough (July 19, 1834 - November 15, 1834) *The Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington served as a Secretary of State ''pro tem'' (November 15, 1834 - December 15, 1834) *Henry Goulburn (December 15, 1834 - April 18, 1835) *John Russell, 1st Earl Russell (April 18, 1835 - August 30, 1839) *Constantine Henry Phipps, 1st Marquess of Normanby (August 30, 1839 - August 30, 1841) *Sir James Graham, 2nd Baronet (September 6, 1841 - June 30, 1846) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (July 6, 1846 - February 23, 1852) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (February 27, 1852 - December 19, 1852) *Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount Palmerston (December 28, 1852- February 6, 1855) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (February 8, 1855 - February 26, 1858) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (February 26, 1858 - March 3, 1859) *Thomas Sotheron-Estcourt (March 3, 1859 - June 18, 1859) *George Cornewall Lewis (June 18, 1859 - July 25, 1861) *Sir George Grey, 2nd Baronet (July 25, 1861 - June 28, 1866) *Spencer Horatio Walpole (July 6, 1866 - May 17, 1867) *Gathorne Hardy, 1st Earl of Cranbrook (May 17, 1867 - December 3, 1868) *Henry Austin Bruce, 1st Baron Aberdare (December 9, 1868 - August 9, 1873) *Robert Lowe, 1st Viscount Sherbrooke (August 9, 1873 - February 20, 1874) *Richard Assheton Cross, 1st Viscount Cross (February 21, 1874 - April 23, 1880) *William Vernon Harcourt (politician) (April 28, 1880 - June 23, 1885) *Richard Assheton Cross, 1st Viscount Cross (June 24, 1885 - February 1, 1886) *Hugh Childers (February 6, 1886 - July 25, 1886) *Henry Matthews, 1st Viscount Llandaff (August 3, 1886 - August 15, 1892) *Herbert Henry Asquith (August 18, 1892 - June 25, 1895) *Matthew White Ridley, 1st Viscount Ridley (June 29, 1895 - November 12, 1900) *Charles Thomson Ritchie, 1st Baron Ritchie (November 12, 1900 - July 12, 1902) *Aretas Akers-Douglas, 1st Viscount Chilston (July 12, 1902 - December 5, 1905) *Herbert John Gladstone, 1st Viscount Gladstone (December 11, 1905 - February 19, 1910) *Winston Churchill (February 19, 1910 - October 24, 1911) *Reginald McKenna (October 24, 1911 - May 27, 1915) *John Allsebrook Simon (May 27, 1915 - January 12, 1916) *Herbert Samuel (January 12, 1916 - December 7, 1916) *George Cave, 1st Viscount Cave (December 11, 1916 - January 14, 1919) *Edward Shortt (January 14, 1919 - October 23, 1922) *William Clive Bridgeman, 1st Viscount Bridgeman (October 25, 1922 - January 22, 1924) *Arthur Henderson (January 23, 1924 - November 4, 1924) *William Joynson-Hicks, 1st Viscount Brentford (November 7, 1924 - June 5, 1929) *John Robert Clynes (June 8, 1929 - August 26, 1931) *Herbert Samuel, 1st Viscount Samuel (August 26, 1931 - October 1 1932) (Resigned) *John Gilmour (October 1 1932 - June 7, 1935) *John Allsebrook Simon (June 7, 1935 - May 28, 1937) *Samuel Hoare, 1st Viscount Templewood (May 28, 1937 - September 3, 1939) *John Anderson (UK politician) (September 4, 1939 - October 4, 1940) *Herbert Morrison (politician) (October 4, 1940 - May 23, 1945) *Donald Bradley Somervell, Baron Somervell (May 25, 1945 - July 26, 1945) *James Chuter Ede (August 3, 1945 - October 26, 1951) *David Patrick Maxwell Fyfe, 1st Earl of Kilmuir (October 27, 1951 - October 19 1954) *Gwilym Lloyd George, 1st Viscount Tenby (October 19, 1954 - January 14, 1957) *Rab Butler (January 14, 1957 - July 13, 1962) *Henry Brooke (politician) (July 13, 1962 - October 16, 1964) *Frank Soskice (October 18, 1964 - December 23, 1965) *Roy Jenkins (December 23, 1965 - November 30, 1967) *James Callaghan (November 30, 1967 - June 19, 1970) *Reginald Maudling (June 20, 1970 - July 18 1972) (Resigned) *Leonard Robert Carr, Baron Carr of Hadley (July 18, 1972 - March 4, 1974) *Roy Jenkins (March 5 1974 - September 10, 1976) *Merlyn Rees (September 10, 1976 - May 4, 1979) *William Whitelaw (May 5, 1979 - June 11, 1983) *Leon Brittan (June 11, 1983 - September 2, 1985) *Douglas Hurd (September 2, 1985 - October 26, 1989) *David Waddington (October 26, 1989- November 28, 1990) *Kenneth Baker (November 28, 1990 - April 10, 1992) *Kenneth Clarke (April 10, 1992 - May 27, 1993) *Michael Howard (May 27, 1993 - May 2, 1997) *Jack Straw (politician) (May 2, 1997 - June 8, 2001) *David Blunkett (June 8, 2001 - December 15, 2004) (Resigned) *Charles Clarke (December 15, 2004 -) Lists of British ministers Government of the UK
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What the hell does it mean to say that the Lord Chancellor is unelected? All British cabinet ministers are unelected... User:John Kenney 08:29, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC) He hasn't been elected as an MP (he's a hereditary peer IIRC.) :Well, I guess. But historically, most Lord Chancellors have been MPs when they are made Lord Chancellor. Then they are granted a peerage. Just about every Lord Chancellor, save Lord Bathurst, who inherited his title after he ceased to be Lord Chancellor, has been a peer of first creation (well, the 2nd Lord Hailsham is weird, because he renounced his hereditary peerage and then was granted a life peerage in order to become Lord Chancellor). At any rate, it's utterly insane to say that the office is bad because its holder is unelected. Whether or not someone is elected as an MP, I don't see what that has to do with the selection process for ministers, who are all chosen by the PM, at this point (and officially chosen by the Queen). At any rate, this is an issue from two months ago, so no real need to do anything about it - I already corrected the article. User:John Kenney 00:47, 16 Feb 2004 (UTC) ==annointment of bishops== Should this be anointment or appointment? I don't think Church of England bishops are normally an(n)ointed! User:Ross Burgess 16:09, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC) ==Proposed move to Home Secretary== *Support Common name User:Jguk 23:27, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) *support. I know we don't always use common names for offices, but this one's formal name is only used in really formal documents issued by the government. Pretty much every link to it will want to use "Home Secretary" as the link text, it would be easier this way. User:Morwen - User_talk:Morwen 23:29, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support - agreed. User:Violetriga User_talk:violetriga 23:44, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) * Support, though the formalism sits well with me. ;-) User:Jdforrester User_talk:Jdforrester 09:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support. Even the [http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/inside/org/ministers/clarke.html Home Office website] calls Clarke "Home Secretary". The official title is too obscure as the ministry is now called the "Home Office" not the "Home Department". User:Timrollpickering 09:34, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support, standard usage. User:Berek 12:45, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support - "common names" rule. --User:RbrwrUser talk:Rbrwr 13:04, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Garzo 15:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Ross Burgess 16:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 16:09, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) (should we combine Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs and Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs at Foreign Secretary? Of course, even Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs is already not unique, since the French had one in the 18th century, and foreign secretary might apply to German State Secretaries for Foreign Affairs of the late 19th/early 20th centuries) **Both "Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs" and even "Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs" are often still used in common discourse and a lot lists that aim to use the formal title (whereas this post is often formalised to "Secretary of State for Home Affairs"). But I'd agree with merging the pages in - the formal merger isn't that major a landmark in the history of the position and a continuous list from Fox to Straw is more useful. User:Timrollpickering 19:42, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ***Should we put the whole list at Secretary of State for Foreign and Commonwealth Affairs, and simply explain that it used to be just the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs? That would pave the way for turning Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs into a disambiguation page, which it probably should be...although we'd need to change a lot of links to do that, I think. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 20:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) *Support User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ---Discussion--- *I am a bit cautious about this move. The title ''Home Secretary'' may well be used by cabinet ministers of other countries, particularly Commonwealth countries. Therefore, even the present title might show limited geographic bias. User:Garzo 00:09, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :I don't believe the term is used elsewhere. Can you cite an example? User:Jguk 09:39, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :Statistics from the top 200 of a Google search[http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Home+Secretary%22&btnG=Google+Search], using www.google.com/nsr to reduce bias towards Britain: **180 (90%) refer to the British minister. **7 refer to counterpart ministers outside Britain. **4 use the phrase "Shadow Home Secretary". **1 refers to the "home secretary of the National Academy of Sciences". **8 (4 in the top 10) talk about secretaries working from home. :User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 13:48, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::Yup, it looks like the UK is the only country to have a Cabinet minister titled ''Home Secretary'': I'll add my name to support. User:Garzo 15:43, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::as a matter of interest, what countries did the 7 ministers outside Britain represent? User:Ross Burgess 16:02, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) ::::[http://www.sarkaritel.com/ministries/home_affairs/ India], [http://management.silicon.com/government/0,39024677,10006228,00.htm France], [http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=8952&t=1&c=1 Nepal], [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_14-2-2004_pg7_39 either Pakistan or Pakistani Punjab], [http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_18-7-2004_pg7_31 also in Pakistan], [http://www.blisty.cz/2002/1/7/art9600.html Czech Republic], and [http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050218/main4.htm Indian Punjab]. User:Susvolans User talk:Susvolans 17:38, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) :::::France doesn't have a minister actually called the Home Secretary. They have a Minister of the Interior. So, I would imagine, does the Czech Republic. I am uncertain about Nepal, India, and Pakistan. User:John Kenney User_talk:John Kenney 20:22, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC) User:Violetriga User_talk:violetriga 18:59, 13 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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