
Tolkien_fandom_idea_of_a_typical_Hobbit.">Image:hobbit.jpg|thumbnail|180px|right|This is one Tolkien fandom idea of a typical Hobbit. Hobbits are a race (fantasy) from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth universe which first appears in the book ''The Hobbit''. They also play a major role in ''The Lord of the Rings''. ==Description== Hobbits are between 1 E-1 m tall, the average height being 3 feet 6 inches, with slightly pointed ears and oversized furry feet with leathery soles, resulting in most never wearing shoes. They are fond of an unadventurous bucolic life of farming, eating, and socializing. Living rather longer than humans, Hobbits can sometimes live for up to 130 years (with 100 years average). The time at which a young Hobbit "comes of age" is 33, as compared to the human 21 years. Thus a 50 year old Hobbit would only be middle-aged. Hobbits also like to drink ale in inns, not unlike the English countryfolk, who were Tolkien's inspiration. We can also see that in the name Tolkien chose for the part of Middle-earth where the Hobbits live: "Shire (Middle-earth)" is clearly reminiscent of the English county names (e.g., Lancashire, Shropshire — see Shire). ==Origin== Hobbits are evidently related to Men (Middle-earth), and are represented as an offshoot of that race. Their exact origin is unknown, but by the early Third Age they were living in the Vales of Anduin in Wilderland. Hobbits are also called ''Halflings'' (in Sindarin, ''perian'' singular and ''periannath'' collective) due to their small stature. However, the term is slightly offensive to Hobbits, as to themselves they are not 'half' of anything, and certainly do not use the term to refer to themselves. Tolkien's etymology for 'Hobbit' is interesting as well: obviously constructed without prior intent, it would have been natural for him to connect it to the German prefix ''hob'' meaning ''small'' (e.g. ''hobgoblin''). However this prefix dates back "only" to the 13th century, too late by Tolkien's standards, and so he constructed an alternative etymology, from Old English ''hol-bytla'', "hole-dweller". When later he began to work out the language relations further, ''Hobbit'' was to be derived from the Rohirric (actually Anglo-Saxon - which Rohirric parallels in Tolkien's universe) ''Holbytlan'' (hole builders). In the original Westron, the name was ''Kuduk'' (Hobbit), derived from the actual Rohirric ''kûd-dûkan'' (hole dweller). According to Tolkien, the word ''hobbit'' was the first element of ''The Hobbit'' that he created. As a university lecturer, so the story goes, he was in the process of correcting reports when he started scribbling on a piece of paper and wrote, "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit", and the multitude of stories sprang from that. It is good to note, though, that the idea of a hole dwelling little creatures was introduced to Tolkien by one of his students in a story he had written. ==Some well-known Hobbits== * Bilbo Baggins * Frodo Baggins * Samwise Gamgee * Meriadoc Brandybuck * Peregrin Took * Fredegar Bolger * Otho and Lotho Sackville-Baggins * Old Took * Bullroarer Took * Sméagol (who became the creature Gollum) * Déagol Though in The Hobbit it mentions that Gandalf "was responsible for so many quiet lads and lasses going off into the Blue for mad adventures" no List of female hobbits are depicted in J.R.R. Tolkien's stories doing so; however Hobbit women do appear in his works, such as the formidable Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. ==History== Historically, the Hobbits are known to have originated in the Valley of Anduin, between Mirkwood and the Misty Mountains. According to The Lord of the Rings, they have lost the genealogical details of how they are related to the rest of humankind. At this time, there were three Hobbit-kinds, with different temperaments. The Harfoots, the most numerous, were almost identical to the Hobbits as they are described in ''The Lord of the Rings''. The Stoors had an affinity for water, boats and swimming; the Fallohides were an adventurous people. (Both of these traits were much rarer in later days.) While situated in the Vallery of the Anduin River the Hobbits lived close by the Eotheod, the ancestors of the Rohirrim, and this led to some contact between the two. As a result many old words and names in "Hobbitish" are derivatives of words in Rohirric, so much so that even someone without linguistic training could make out the relation (Merry would later write an entire book devoted to the relationship, ''Old Place Names in the Shire''). Some time near the beginning of the Third Age, they undertook, for reasons unknown, but possibly having to do with Mordor's power, the arduous task of crossing the Misty Mountains. Some of the Stoors, however, stayed behind, and it is from these people that Gollum would come many years later. The Hobbits took different routes in their journey westward, but eventually came to a land between the River Baranduin (which they renamed ''Brandywine'') and the Weather Hills. There they founded many settlements, and the divisions between the Hobbit-kinds began to blur. Around the year 1600 of the Third Age, two Fallohide brothers decided, again for reasons unknown, to cross the River Brandywine and settle on the other side. Large numbers of Hobbits followed them, and most of their former territory was depopulated. Only Bree (Middle-earth) and a few surrounding villages lasted to the end of the Third Age. The new land that they found on the west bank of the Brandywine is called the Shire (Middle-earth). A map of the Shire and surrounding regions may be found at Eriador. Originally the Hobbits of the Shire swore nominal allegiance to the last Kings of Arnor, being required only to acknowledge their lordship, speed their messengers, and keep the bridges and roads in repair. During the final fight against Angmar at the Battle of Fornost, the Hobbits maintain that they sent a company of archers to help but this is nowhere else recorded. After the battle the kingdom of Arnor was destroyed, and in absence of the king the Hobbits elected a Thain of the Shire from among their own chieftans. The first Thain of the Shire was Bucca of the Marrish, who founded the Oldbuck family. However, later on the Oldbuck family crossed the Brandywine River to create the separate land of Buckland and the family name changed to the familiar "Brandybuck". Their patriach then became Master of Buckland. With the departure of the Oldbucks/Brandybucks, a new family was selected to have its chieftans be Thain, the Took family (Indeed, Pippin Took was son of the Thain and would later become Thain himself). The Thain was in charge of Shire Moot and Muster and the Hobbitry-in-Arms, but as the Hobbits of the Shire led entirely peaceful, uneventful lives the office of Thain was seen as something more of a formality. == Usage outside Tolkien == "Hobbit" is a trademark owned by the Tolkien estate, as are most of the names, places and artefacts included in books by J. R. R. Tolkien. For this reason Dungeons & Dragons and other fantasy tend to refer to Hobbits and Hobbit-like races rather as Halflings (''hin'' in the Mystara universe, ''hurthlings'' in ADOM). The name ''hobbit'' had previously appeared in an obscure "list of spirits" by Michael Denham, which includes several repetitions. There is no evidence to suggest Tolkien used this as a source — indeed he spent many years trying to find out whether he really did coin the word. Denham's "hobbit spirits" (which are never referenced anywhere except in the long list) have no obvious relation to Tolkien's Hobbits, other than the name (which may possibly imply hob- "small", see below): Tolkien's Hobbits are small humans, not spirits. Nonetheless, some few people have suggested that the reference in the Denham list should invalidate the trademark. See Hobbit (Denham) for more discussion. The lexeme ''hob'', meaning ''small'', is a root word for hobbledehoy, hobgoblin, and hobyah. This may have influenced Tolkien's name; see #Origin above. ''Homo floresiensis'', an extinct species of Homo (genus)s discovered in 2004, has been informally dubbed a "hobbit" by its discoverers. Fictional species Middle-earth Hobbits Middle-earth races th:ฮอบบิท
Can anyone confirm the stuff from the last edit? User:Ausir 19:13, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC) :If that's the rant about trademarks - no. Much of it is nonsense. In particular, Tolkien thought he coined the word 'Hobbit', but wasn't sure. He spent much of his life trying to find a source for it but failed to track it down. This is evidenced by 'letters'. User:Morwen - User_talk:Morwen 08:53, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) == Hobbit Origins == Hobbits are obscure creatures from Western European folklore. The only known reference comes from the “Denham Tracts (Volume 2)” in 1895 by Michael Denham, re-edited by James Hardy.This term appeared in a long list of creatures, from the mythology and folklore of the Celtic and Scandinavian areas of Europe. Although no description is given, it can be inferred by the meaning of the Old English word "hob" (or the Old English prefix "hob-") that these were small creatures, probably related to elves. Tolkien was not the original creator of hobbits. This is an historical fact. At least one reference to a "hobbit" exists in folklore ''before'' Tolkien ever began to imagine his created world. It is not a "rant", it is simply an historical, irrefutable truth. Just because Tolkien himself failed to track it down before his death in the 1970's (three decades ago) doesn't invalidate the fact that at least one earlier mention of this creature exists. Any Tolkien-worshippers who would rather ignore this fact are free to do so, but to omit the fact from an encyclopedic resource simply because of some romanticized notion of Tolkien's infallible originality is not only abhorrently ignorant, but shows a complete lack of intellectual integrity. It's a cliche, I know, but honesty really is the best policy. --user:209.206.169.229 :Claiming Tolkien's Hobbits have anything to do with the "spirits" called Hobbits by Denham is extremely ignorant. There is absolutely no relation between Denham's "Hobbits" and Tolkien's halfings. 'Hobbits' appear in Denham's Volume 2 (1895). They come 154th in a list of 197 kinds of "supernatural creatures" which includes several repetitions, and no futher mention is made of hobbits. The index says of them, as of almost all the items in the list, only 'A class of spirits'. Tolkien's hobbits, of course, are anything but 'spirits'. Hobbits do not appear in any European folklore. It is possible JRRT had once read the work and remembered the name, but in view of other evidence this is unlikely. Denham's Hobbits were certainly not described as 'small Elves'. Check your sources please! User:Anárion 09:40, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::Denham's Hobbits (which are unlikely his own invention) are not described as "small Elves", but, as stated, small stature is implicit in the name itself. As far as "a class of spirits" is concerned -- what do you think elves, dwarves, faeries, and even orcs originally were? I'm not doubting that Tolkien's hobbits bear little if any resemblance (other than small stature) to the creature listed in Denham's book, nor do Tolkien's orcs resemble, in any way, earlier references to the same creatures. ::Tolkein's hobbits may have been a great departure from the original, and Tolkien himself may not have even been aware of the existence of the original, but the fact remains that Tolkein's hobbits were most decidedly ''not'' the original. ::I at least have a shred of evidence backing up my position, from several decades before the publication of "The Hobbit". You have nothing other than Tolkien's own words in some published "letters". And judging by the Tolkien Estate's treatment of TSR's homage to Tolkien's works, I am left to assume that a party with obvious interest in financial gain over such matters can hardly be considered an objective source. After all, if at some point before his death, JRRT ''had'' conceded that he was not the inventor of hobbits, this would not necessarily have appeared in a public compilation of his letters -- for if it did, Christopher Tolkien might stand to lose a bit of those movie, cartoon, and merchandising royalties. --user:209.206.169.229 ::: Small stature is not implied by Hobbit per sè: it may as likely be a coinage from 'rabbit'. In any case as there is no proof Tolkien's Hobbits were inspired by Denham's (and this is in fact very unlikely) or are related to the Denham Hobbit at all in any way more than the name (which, if derived from 'hob'=small can be proven as being hardly original), the Tolkien Hobbit can not be described as 'a great departure from the original' as there ''is'' no original. Denham's Hobbit does not appear anywhere else, and like most other 'spirits' from his list Denham is the only source of the names. User:Anárion 10:14, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) :Please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. It is wrong for us to say that the trademark ''should'' be regarded invalid. If you want to argue your case in a courtroom please find one. If you want to stick a small note at the bottom saying 'the name 'hobbit' appeared in a "list of spirists" by Michael Denham, but there no evidence to suggest Tolkien was aware of this" that would be fine. User:80.229.39.194 09:43, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::Agreed. The "should" remark was out of place. As for the small note, I doubt this Morwen character would even allow ''that'' much. --user:209.206.169.229 == "Hobbit" not "hobbit" == Looking through an assortment of articles, I have found a great deal of confusion regaring the proper capitalization of the word ''Hobbit''. In thie Prologue to ''The Fellowship of the Ring (book)'', Tolkien always uses ''Hobbit'' (the same as ''Dwarves'', ''Elves'', ''Men''). I recommend that we do likewise, at least when we are referring to ''Tolkien's'' Hobbits. Yes, I know I'm setting myself up for a lot of editing to make this standard. I'll give folks a chance to disagree before I start the mass edit... --User:Aranel 18:51, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Doesn't he also always capitalize Men and Elves? User:Ausir 18:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::Yes, that was my point (maybe it wasn't clear). Actually, it would occasionally be proper to say ''men'', as in "the men of Rohan went to war and the women stayed behind". "Men" is a stand-in for a Westron word that means "human beings". One could technically refer to male Elves as ''men''. Quenya has ''Atan'' "Man, human being" and ''nér'' "man, adult male". But ''Men'' is a special case here, since English does not make the distinction (seeing as we have only one sentient species). Tolkien today would probably write ''Human'' for ''Atan''. --User:Aranel 20:01, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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Tolkien_fandom_idea_of_a_typical_Hobbit.">Image:hobbit.jpg|thumbnail|180px|right|This is one Tolkien fandom idea of a typical Hobbit. Hobbits are a race (fantasy) from J. R. R. Tolkien's Middle-earth universe which first appears in the book ''The Hobbit''. They also play a major role in ''The Lord of the Rings''. ==Description== Hobbits are between 1 E-1 m tall, the average height being 3 feet 6 inches, with slightly pointed ears and oversized furry feet with leathery soles, resulting in most never wearing shoes. They are fond of an unadventurous bucolic life of farming, eating, and socializing. Living rather longer than humans, Hobbits can sometimes live for up to 130 years (with 100 years average). The time at which a young Hobbit "comes of age" is 33, as compared to the human 21 years. Thus a 50 year old Hobbit would only be middle-aged. Hobbits also like to drink ale in inns, not unlike the English countryfolk, who were Tolkien's inspiration. We can also see that in the name Tolkien chose for the part of Middle-earth where the Hobbits live: "Shire (Middle-earth)" is clearly reminiscent of the English county names (e.g., Lancashire, Shropshire — see Shire). ==Origin== Hobbits are evidently related to Men (Middle-earth), and are represented as an offshoot of that race. Their exact origin is unknown, but by the early Third Age they were living in the Vales of Anduin in Wilderland. Hobbits are also called ''Halflings'' (in Sindarin, ''perian'' singular and ''periannath'' collective) due to their small stature. However, the term is slightly offensive to Hobbits, as to themselves they are not 'half' of anything, and certainly do not use the term to refer to themselves. Tolkien's etymology for 'Hobbit' is interesting as well: obviously constructed without prior intent, it would have been natural for him to connect it to the German prefix ''hob'' meaning ''small'' (e.g. ''hobgoblin''). However this prefix dates back "only" to the 13th century, too late by Tolkien's standards, and so he constructed an alternative etymology, from Old English ''hol-bytla'', "hole-dweller". When later he began to work out the language relations further, ''Hobbit'' was to be derived from the Rohirric (actually Anglo-Saxon - which Rohirric parallels in Tolkien's universe) ''Holbytlan'' (hole builders). In the original Westron, the name was ''Kuduk'' (Hobbit), derived from the actual Rohirric ''kûd-dûkan'' (hole dweller). According to Tolkien, the word ''hobbit'' was the first element of ''The Hobbit'' that he created. As a university lecturer, so the story goes, he was in the process of correcting reports when he started scribbling on a piece of paper and wrote, "In a hole in the ground there lived a hobbit", and the multitude of stories sprang from that. It is good to note, though, that the idea of a hole dwelling little creatures was introduced to Tolkien by one of his students in a story he had written. ==Some well-known Hobbits== * Bilbo Baggins * Frodo Baggins * Samwise Gamgee * Meriadoc Brandybuck * Peregrin Took * Fredegar Bolger * Otho and Lotho Sackville-Baggins * Old Took * Bullroarer Took * Sméagol (who became the creature Gollum) * Déagol Though in The Hobbit it mentions that Gandalf "was responsible for so many quiet lads and lasses going off into the Blue for mad adventures" no List of female hobbits are depicted in J.R.R. Tolkien's stories doing so; however Hobbit women do appear in his works, such as the formidable Lobelia Sackville-Baggins. ==History== Historically, the Hobbits are known to have originated in the Valley of Anduin, between Mirkwood and the Misty Mountains. According to The Lord of the Rings, they have lost the genealogical details of how they are related to the rest of humankind. At this time, there were three Hobbit-kinds, with different temperaments. The Harfoots, the most numerous, were almost identical to the Hobbits as they are described in ''The Lord of the Rings''. The Stoors had an affinity for water, boats and swimming; the Fallohides were an adventurous people. (Both of these traits were much rarer in later days.) While situated in the Vallery of the Anduin River the Hobbits lived close by the Eotheod, the ancestors of the Rohirrim, and this led to some contact between the two. As a result many old words and names in "Hobbitish" are derivatives of words in Rohirric, so much so that even someone without linguistic training could make out the relation (Merry would later write an entire book devoted to the relationship, ''Old Place Names in the Shire''). Some time near the beginning of the Third Age, they undertook, for reasons unknown, but possibly having to do with Mordor's power, the arduous task of crossing the Misty Mountains. Some of the Stoors, however, stayed behind, and it is from these people that Gollum would come many years later. The Hobbits took different routes in their journey westward, but eventually came to a land between the River Baranduin (which they renamed ''Brandywine'') and the Weather Hills. There they founded many settlements, and the divisions between the Hobbit-kinds began to blur. Around the year 1600 of the Third Age, two Fallohide brothers decided, again for reasons unknown, to cross the River Brandywine and settle on the other side. Large numbers of Hobbits followed them, and most of their former territory was depopulated. Only Bree (Middle-earth) and a few surrounding villages lasted to the end of the Third Age. The new land that they found on the west bank of the Brandywine is called the Shire (Middle-earth). A map of the Shire and surrounding regions may be found at Eriador. Originally the Hobbits of the Shire swore nominal allegiance to the last Kings of Arnor, being required only to acknowledge their lordship, speed their messengers, and keep the bridges and roads in repair. During the final fight against Angmar at the Battle of Fornost, the Hobbits maintain that they sent a company of archers to help but this is nowhere else recorded. After the battle the kingdom of Arnor was destroyed, and in absence of the king the Hobbits elected a Thain of the Shire from among their own chieftans. The first Thain of the Shire was Bucca of the Marrish, who founded the Oldbuck family. However, later on the Oldbuck family crossed the Brandywine River to create the separate land of Buckland and the family name changed to the familiar "Brandybuck". Their patriach then became Master of Buckland. With the departure of the Oldbucks/Brandybucks, a new family was selected to have its chieftans be Thain, the Took family (Indeed, Pippin Took was son of the Thain and would later become Thain himself). The Thain was in charge of Shire Moot and Muster and the Hobbitry-in-Arms, but as the Hobbits of the Shire led entirely peaceful, uneventful lives the office of Thain was seen as something more of a formality. == Usage outside Tolkien == "Hobbit" is a trademark owned by the Tolkien estate, as are most of the names, places and artefacts included in books by J. R. R. Tolkien. For this reason Dungeons & Dragons and other fantasy tend to refer to Hobbits and Hobbit-like races rather as Halflings (''hin'' in the Mystara universe, ''hurthlings'' in ADOM). The name ''hobbit'' had previously appeared in an obscure "list of spirits" by Michael Denham, which includes several repetitions. There is no evidence to suggest Tolkien used this as a source — indeed he spent many years trying to find out whether he really did coin the word. Denham's "hobbit spirits" (which are never referenced anywhere except in the long list) have no obvious relation to Tolkien's Hobbits, other than the name (which may possibly imply hob- "small", see below): Tolkien's Hobbits are small humans, not spirits. Nonetheless, some few people have suggested that the reference in the Denham list should invalidate the trademark. See Hobbit (Denham) for more discussion. The lexeme ''hob'', meaning ''small'', is a root word for hobbledehoy, hobgoblin, and hobyah. This may have influenced Tolkien's name; see #Origin above. ''Homo floresiensis'', an extinct species of Homo (genus)s discovered in 2004, has been informally dubbed a "hobbit" by its discoverers. Fictional species Middle-earth Hobbits Middle-earth races th:ฮอบบิท
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Can anyone confirm the stuff from the last edit? User:Ausir 19:13, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC) :If that's the rant about trademarks - no. Much of it is nonsense. In particular, Tolkien thought he coined the word 'Hobbit', but wasn't sure. He spent much of his life trying to find a source for it but failed to track it down. This is evidenced by 'letters'. User:Morwen - User_talk:Morwen 08:53, 9 Jul 2004 (UTC) == Hobbit Origins == Hobbits are obscure creatures from Western European folklore. The only known reference comes from the “Denham Tracts (Volume 2)” in 1895 by Michael Denham, re-edited by James Hardy.This term appeared in a long list of creatures, from the mythology and folklore of the Celtic and Scandinavian areas of Europe. Although no description is given, it can be inferred by the meaning of the Old English word "hob" (or the Old English prefix "hob-") that these were small creatures, probably related to elves. Tolkien was not the original creator of hobbits. This is an historical fact. At least one reference to a "hobbit" exists in folklore ''before'' Tolkien ever began to imagine his created world. It is not a "rant", it is simply an historical, irrefutable truth. Just because Tolkien himself failed to track it down before his death in the 1970's (three decades ago) doesn't invalidate the fact that at least one earlier mention of this creature exists. Any Tolkien-worshippers who would rather ignore this fact are free to do so, but to omit the fact from an encyclopedic resource simply because of some romanticized notion of Tolkien's infallible originality is not only abhorrently ignorant, but shows a complete lack of intellectual integrity. It's a cliche, I know, but honesty really is the best policy. --user:209.206.169.229 :Claiming Tolkien's Hobbits have anything to do with the "spirits" called Hobbits by Denham is extremely ignorant. There is absolutely no relation between Denham's "Hobbits" and Tolkien's halfings. 'Hobbits' appear in Denham's Volume 2 (1895). They come 154th in a list of 197 kinds of "supernatural creatures" which includes several repetitions, and no futher mention is made of hobbits. The index says of them, as of almost all the items in the list, only 'A class of spirits'. Tolkien's hobbits, of course, are anything but 'spirits'. Hobbits do not appear in any European folklore. It is possible JRRT had once read the work and remembered the name, but in view of other evidence this is unlikely. Denham's Hobbits were certainly not described as 'small Elves'. Check your sources please! User:Anárion 09:40, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::Denham's Hobbits (which are unlikely his own invention) are not described as "small Elves", but, as stated, small stature is implicit in the name itself. As far as "a class of spirits" is concerned -- what do you think elves, dwarves, faeries, and even orcs originally were? I'm not doubting that Tolkien's hobbits bear little if any resemblance (other than small stature) to the creature listed in Denham's book, nor do Tolkien's orcs resemble, in any way, earlier references to the same creatures. ::Tolkein's hobbits may have been a great departure from the original, and Tolkien himself may not have even been aware of the existence of the original, but the fact remains that Tolkein's hobbits were most decidedly ''not'' the original. ::I at least have a shred of evidence backing up my position, from several decades before the publication of "The Hobbit". You have nothing other than Tolkien's own words in some published "letters". And judging by the Tolkien Estate's treatment of TSR's homage to Tolkien's works, I am left to assume that a party with obvious interest in financial gain over such matters can hardly be considered an objective source. After all, if at some point before his death, JRRT ''had'' conceded that he was not the inventor of hobbits, this would not necessarily have appeared in a public compilation of his letters -- for if it did, Christopher Tolkien might stand to lose a bit of those movie, cartoon, and merchandising royalties. --user:209.206.169.229 ::: Small stature is not implied by Hobbit per sè: it may as likely be a coinage from 'rabbit'. In any case as there is no proof Tolkien's Hobbits were inspired by Denham's (and this is in fact very unlikely) or are related to the Denham Hobbit at all in any way more than the name (which, if derived from 'hob'=small can be proven as being hardly original), the Tolkien Hobbit can not be described as 'a great departure from the original' as there ''is'' no original. Denham's Hobbit does not appear anywhere else, and like most other 'spirits' from his list Denham is the only source of the names. User:Anárion 10:14, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) :Please read Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. It is wrong for us to say that the trademark ''should'' be regarded invalid. If you want to argue your case in a courtroom please find one. If you want to stick a small note at the bottom saying 'the name 'hobbit' appeared in a "list of spirists" by Michael Denham, but there no evidence to suggest Tolkien was aware of this" that would be fine. User:80.229.39.194 09:43, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::Agreed. The "should" remark was out of place. As for the small note, I doubt this Morwen character would even allow ''that'' much. --user:209.206.169.229 == "Hobbit" not "hobbit" == Looking through an assortment of articles, I have found a great deal of confusion regaring the proper capitalization of the word ''Hobbit''. In thie Prologue to ''The Fellowship of the Ring (book)'', Tolkien always uses ''Hobbit'' (the same as ''Dwarves'', ''Elves'', ''Men''). I recommend that we do likewise, at least when we are referring to ''Tolkien's'' Hobbits. Yes, I know I'm setting myself up for a lot of editing to make this standard. I'll give folks a chance to disagree before I start the mass edit... --User:Aranel 18:51, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC) :Doesn't he also always capitalize Men and Elves? User:Ausir 18:57, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC) :::Yes, that was my point (maybe it wasn't clear). Actually, it would occasionally be proper to say ''men'', as in "the men of Rohan went to war and the women stayed behind". "Men" is a stand-in for a Westron word that means "human beings". One could technically refer to male Elves as ''men''. Quenya has ''Atan'' "Man, human being" and ''nér'' "man, adult male". But ''Men'' is a special case here, since English does not make the distinction (seeing as we have only one sentient species). Tolkien today would probably write ''Human'' for ''Atan''. --User:Aranel 20:01, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)
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