
'' The Time Is: '' Personal website at [http://tinyurl.com/6nad6] AKA b:User:Dpbsmith First edit 06:11, 6 Sep 2003, to Jack London ==Quotations== :Mr. Frankland, of Lafter Hall ... is an elderly man, red-faced, white-haired, and choleric. His passion is for the British law, and he has spent a large fortune in litigation. He fights for the mere pleasure of fighting and is equally ready to take up either side of a question, so that it is no wonder that he has found it a costly amusement. Sometimes he will shut up a right of way and defy the parish to make him open it. At others he will with his own hands tear down some other man's gate and declare that a path has existed there from time immemorial, defying the owner to prosecute him for trespass. He is learned in old manorial and communal rights, and he applies his knowledge sometimes in favour of the villagers of Fernworthy and sometimes against them, so that he is periodically either carried in triumph down the village street or else burned in effigy, according to his latest exploit. He is said to have about seven lawsuits upon his hands at present, which will probably swallow up the remainder of his fortune and so draw his sting and leave him harmless for the future.—Arthur Conan Doyle, ''The Hound of the Baskervilles'' ---- :Then he saw also that it matters little what profession, whether of religion or irreligion, a man may make, provided only he follows it out with charitable inconsistency, and without insisting on it to the bitter end. It is in the uncompromisingness with which dogma is held and not in the dogma or want of dogma that the danger lies.—Samuel Butler, The Way Of All Flesh ==Don't let folks get apoplectic. Use Hegelian dialectic!== In time of need call on the editor's creed:
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
If you think what you read should be NPOV-ed,
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
So plant a good seed
And do a good deed
And don't ever stop until all have agreed
And then they will call you a real Wikiped-
Ian.
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
:::—Me, August 20, 2004 == Current Wikistress level == Low ==Notability not a criterion for deletion?== I'm confused; please help me out here. On the VfD pages, just about the most-cited reason for deletion is that the subject (or even the article) is "not-notable". Fair enough. Yet in Wikipedia:Deletion policy, the words "notability" or "notable" aren't even mentioned, and in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, it only applies to memorials of people. What's going on here? Are we all suffering from mass delusions, or is there some unwritten policy that states "non-notability" is a validcriterium criterion for deletion? If the latter, wouldn't it be a good idea to turn it into written policy instead? Thanks. --User:Plek 20:21, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
:(Dons asbestos suit)
:It's not worth fussing about.
:Wikipedia is the sum of what WIkipedians actually do. What actually happens is: sysops look at VfD discussions. For the most part, they base their actions on whether people vote "delete" or "keep." Written deletion policy is an effective tool that Wikipedians can use to influence the votes of other Wikipedians.
:There was, last year, an attempt by a sysop to consider, when judging consensus, only those "delete" votes for which he judged the stated reasons for deletion to be in accord with the written policy. This attracted criticism, and as a result of the criticism he stopped exhibiting that behavior. So, I repeat, the de facto behavior of sysops is that a sincere expression by a non-sock-puppet user that an article should be deleted counts as a delete. Currently, in VfD a ''sockpuppet'' vote is invalid, but a ''real vote citing bad reasons or no reasons'' is valid.
:References to "notability" in VfD are the interplay of people trying to influence each other. Since many people, ''regardless of written policy,'' believes that notability should play some role in VfD decisions, votes are affected by that and it is a de facto criterion. Notice that there although there is a ''very'' wide range of opinion, it is very rare for things that are ''ridiculously'' non-notable to survive VfD. I could write a factual article about the fire hydrant on my street and I assure you it would be voted for deletion and deleted, even though it's not a biography, even though there are a few überinclusionists who ''would'' defend it on principle.
:The big problem with notability is that nobody can come up with good objective bright-line definitions of what constitutes notability. People hate to admit that the content of Wikipedia is, in fact, the product of the consensus opinion and judgement of Wikipedians. So, absent a good ''definition'' for notability, some argue that it should not be considered at all.
:The reality is that this is an area of no consensus. Therefore, judgements and behavior are consistent for extremely notable and extremely non-notable topics, but the zone in which there is argument and inconsistent behavior is wide.
:Another reality is that many Wikipedians think that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and notability ''is'' a criterion for inclusion in anything else you can point to that calls itself by that name.
:So, with regard to notability, I don't expect to see it turned into written policy. And I don't expect to see observations that it is ''not'' policy to change the behavior of people voting in VfD, or the behavior of sysops who act on those votes. User:Dpbsmith User_talk:dpbsmith 21:00, 4 Mar 2005 (UTC)
==Citing sources==
Traditionally, encyclopedias are ''not'' well-referenced. They sometimes provide what might be called "selected bibliographies," things the writer thinks you might want to read next. But references, in the sense of "here's where I got it," no.
Many, but by no means all of the articles in the EB 11th have a set of contributor's initials (which you can look up in a table). Odd, since it doesn't save that much space; the editors don't really want you to focus on the contributor. Well, knowing the name of the contributor is not that helpful anyway. When it's someone like Ernest Rutherford, well, you probably can figure they knew what they were talking about. For the rest, their credibility basically rests on the jumble of letters after their name and the miniature who's-who-like description.
Have I ever heard of "Arthur Dendy, D. Sc., F.R.S., F.Z.S., F.L.S., Professor of Zoology in King's College, London, Zoological Secretary of the Linnean [sic] Society of London. Author of memoirs on systematic zoology, comparative anatomy, embryology, &c?" No. Do I think he knows his stuff when it comes to sponges? Well, yeah, sure, sounds like it, probably. Most of my profs didn't have that many letters after their name. I have no way of knowing whether he was a POV-pusher, though, and you'd better believe you can have letters after your name and still be a POV-pusher. Big-time.
But Wikipedia is different from print encyclopedias, because basically it's all written by anons, registered or not.
I haven't been following the "bad reference/good reference" stuff but I find the whole idea baffling. The purpose of a reference is very simple. You're telling people where you got your information. It's not a question of good or bad, it's a simple statement of fact. If I got my "facts" from The National Enquirer, and I say I got them from the National Enquirer and I give the date and page number, that's a good reference. The only bad reference would be an untruthful reference—if I got them from the National Enquirer but said they were from The New York Times.
But, either way: if I give the reference, I'm giving people reasonable assurance that I didn't just make the statement up—unless I'm a total liar and fraud, and there aren't that many of them contributing to Wikipedia.
And a specific reference is verifiable. If I lie about it, I will eventually get caught. If someone says that The New York Times published an article about a 400-pound eight-year-old girl who was inseminated by a space alien and gave birth to a two-headed unicorn, on page 7, July 16th, 2000, well as it happens I can go online courtesy of my local public library and find out in about sixty seconds whether there's really such an article. (I'll leave you in suspense as to the answer).
If someone says "I got it from the National Enquirer, page 1, April 1st, 2000," that's a good reference. First of all, a lot of people will be able to say right of the bat, "The ''National Enquirer?'' then I won't believe it."
Furthermore, ''I can check the context.'' Maybe it says "It is said that the natives of some remote Canary Islands have an ancient legend that a 400-pound, etc." The chain of traceability is broken. Vanished into the mists of the Canaries.
But maybe it says "Dr. Fargo M. Seneca, chief obstetrician at St. Mary's Hospital in Madison, said that a 400-pound etc." Cool! Another source citation! I can call up St. Mary's and say, I'm writing an article for Wikipedia, I'm tracing a statement by Dr. Seneca in a news report. Could I speak to him, please?
(By the way: I've had ''very'' good luck contacting "press" contacts by email or phone, and saying "I'm editing an article in Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia, and I was trying to check thus-and-such fact..." I always give Wikipedia's URL. Sometimes I even explain that anybody can edit Wikipedia. So far, I've gotten respectful and helpful treatment every time).
So, I say, cite your sources. If you got it from a secondary source, just say so. The important thing is to ''say where you got it'' and maintain a chain of traceability.
P. S. True story about how this works. In grad school, a bunch of us were having a bull sessions about whether or not UFOs were real. One guy was very impressed by a book written by someone from APRO or NICAP or something, and, in particular, by a statement that appears in it that said that some pieces of an alien craft had been analyzed and were of some substance of a purity that was never seen on Earth and couldn't occur on Earth as the oxygen would degrade it within a few weeks. He was a chemist, IIRC, and knew that indeed any substance that pure couldn't have been terrestrial in origin.
So I said, "OK, let's take this as our test case. How do we know the author of the book wasn't just making it up?" The book that said that the scientist who did the analysis was something like "Dr. Ortega Perez-Guillermo of the Metallurgy Department, University of San Andrés, La Paz, Bolivia."
I went to grad school at a big state university with a fine library. I did a bit of poking around. Guess what? Our library had quite a lot of material from the Universidad de San Andrés, including several faculty directories spaced over the last ten or fifteen years. It turned out that the Universidad de San Andrés didn't even have Departamento de la Metalurgia. And in any case, it didn't have anyone named Dr Ortega Perez-Guillermo in ''any'' department.
I asked whether we should write to the university, but it was generally agreed that it didn't seem as if that story was very credible.
Source citations are heap big medicine.
==To do==
*Allied Betachem Applications
*Allied Gammacomm
*Allied Internet Laboratories Inc.
*Allied Neocom Software
*Allied Supercomm Corporation
*American Alphacom Corporation
*American Bionet Machines
*American Holomation Systems Incorporated
*American Intercon Medical Corporation
*American Paratronics Laboratories
*Biochem Networks
*Compuchem Machines
*EEN International Corporation
*Electronic Gammanetics Software
*Electronic Holonetics Products Corporation
*Electronic Megachem Fiber Optics Company
*Fenster, Smith and Adams
*FIX Industries Ltd.
*Gammanetics Fiber Optics
*H. R. A. Machines Inc.
*Holocom Medical Incorporated
*International Betanet Corporation
*International Radiotron Engineering
*IRI Machines Inc.
*MBZ Products Inc.
*Metatron Manufacturing Incorporated
*National Computron Laboratories Company
*National Megacom Development Inc.
*NEL Healthcare Ltd.
*Paratronics Research Corporation
*Photodynamics Products Corporation
*Polymatics Laboratories
*SSX Inc.
(from [http://world.std.com/~dpbsmith/fauxbiz.html this online source])
==Brag list==
Significant contributor to:
*1601 (Mark Twain) (original author of article)
*Alexander P. de Seversky (original author of article)
*Appointment in Samarra (most of present article)
*Arboretum (original author of article which has grown nicely as a result of contributions by others)
*Baby talk ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baby_talk&oldid=4955090 this revision])
*Nan Britton (original author of article)
*Brook Farm (about 2/3 of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Brook_Farm&oldid=6583650 14 Oct 2004 version])
*Camera lucida (original author of article)
*Casabianca (original author of article)
*China red (original author of article)
*Chipped beef on toast, from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chipped_beef_on_toast&oldid=10604835 this revision] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Chipped_beef_on_toast&oldid=10626160 this one]
*Chunking (replacement article; author of content as of 11:01, 7 Oct 2004)
*John Collier (original author of article)
*Evan S. Connell (original author of article, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Evan_S._Connell&oldid=6635355 this version]
*Conquest of Space (original author of article)
*Currier and Ives (original author of article)
*Seymour DeKoven (original author of article)
*Disney animators' strike (original author, apart from a previous one-line redirect)
*Enharmonic (in just intonation, enharmonic notes are actually different)
*F. Holland Day (original author of article)
*Eyeglass prescription (original author of article)
*
*Andrew Fluegelman (original author of article)
*Fried clams (original author of article)
*Fried dough (original author of article)
*The Gadget Maker (User:Xmnemonic started the article and invited me to expand it)
*Paul Gallico (expanding substub; in progress 14:54, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC))
*Geniac (original author of article)
*Gracenote (original author; written as replacement for a copyvio)
*Great Whale (original author of article)
*Fred Harvey (created pursuant to work on Blue-plate special)
*Heathkit (original author of article)
*Howard Johnsons (significant contributions, about half of present article)
*IBM PC compatible (about 2/3 of present article, specifically the portions dealing with the reasons why hardware-level compatibility became important)
*It Should Happen To You (original author of article) [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=It_Should_Happen_To_You&oldid=7177016 6 Nov 2004 version]
*Lili (expanding stub; in progress as of 16:03, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC))
*LINC (most of the text, as of 25 Nov 2003)
*John D. MacDonald (original author of article)
*Jack London (approximately 3/4 of current article)
*Madison, Wisconsin Photo of Wisconsin state capitol building
*Marine Biological Laboratory (original author of article)
*John P. Marquand (most of present article)
*Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology Photo of Great Dome at night
*Mozart effect from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mozart_effect&direction=prev&oldid=9240249 this stub] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mozart_effect&oldid=9267697 this]
*J. Fred Muggs (wrote [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=J._Fred_Muggs&oldid=6654840 this revision])
*Mutoscope (original author of article)
*Nevil Shute (section on his style and themes)
*Newfoundland (dog) (original author of article)
*Nomogram (provided two examples)
*Pigsticking (original author of article)
*Lydia Pinkham (about 2/3 of present article)
*Rice pudding (most of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rice_pudding&oldid=6233262 this revision])
*Amanda McKittrick Ros, about 2/3 of present article (from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amanda_McKittrick_Ros&oldid=7144250 this stub] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Amanda_McKittrick_Ros&oldid=10076059 this])
*Run it up the flagpole (creator of article)
*Sea urchin (pictures of test, pluteus, ''Diadema''; about 2/3 of the current text)
*Svengali deck (especially the diagram)
*Sexual revolution (sections on "Lady Chatterley's Lover, Tropic of Cancer, and Fanny Hill" and "The Nonfiction Sex Manuals")
*Simon and Schuster (original author of article)
*Sound recording (about 2/3 of the section on magnetic recording, including picture)
*Svengali
*That's Amore (original author of article)
*D'Arcy Wentworth Thompson (original author of article)
*TRAC (original author of article)
*Transistor radio (about 2/3 of current text)
*Tweedledum and Tweedledee (original author of article)
*Victory Through Air Power (original author of article)
*Walton and O'Rourke (original author; by-product of working on Lili)
*Wang Laboratories (most of current text)
*Whosarat.com (original author of article)
*Dooley Wilson (original author of article)
*Ella Wheeler Wilcox (most of current article)
*University of Wisconsin, Madison (three pictures; sections on WARF and Sterling Hall bombing)
*John Woolman (original author of article)
VfD rescues
(I did significant editing of these pages subsequent to their having been listed on Votes for Deletion)
*American World University (with User:L33tminion) (NPOV-ed what started as an encomium for a diploma mill)
*Blue-plate special Expanded from two-sentence dictdef.
*Gerovital Expanded and NPOV-ed from promotional stub.
*I'm Henery the Eighth, I Am
*J. Fred Muggs Most of expansion from [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=J._Fred_Muggs&oldid=6585481 this] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=J._Fred_Muggs&oldid=6654840 this]
*La Borinqueña
*List of famous pairs
*Nurse assistant skills
*Potato pancake
*Sunny Jim Most of article as of http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Sunny_Jim&oldid=7441444 this version
*Testilying All except opening paragraph, as of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Testilying&oldid=7527823 this version]
See also: * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive04 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive03 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive02 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive01 ==Original name of Spam== You Talk:SPAM for it, so I went and found it out for you. Evidently the original name for SPAM was "Hormel Spiced Ham". --User:Neschek — User:Neschek | User talk: Neschek 02:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Zürich to Zurich == Zürich has been nominated on Wikipedia:Requested moves for a page move to Zurich. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on talk:Zürich. User:Philip Baird Shearer 10:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Please move you straw poll "Proposal and straw poll regarding place names with diacritical marks" from Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions to the more appropriate: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions (use_English) where there is lots of discussion on this subject. User:Philip Baird Shearer 17:15, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC) == issues over school articles == In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland). I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. User:Kingturtle 02:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Merge and delete== Invalid is probably to strong a term, but but "vote strongly discouraged as it is considered by some to be invalid and causes a great deal of work for admins in any case" is too long to type out on a regular basis. - User:SimonP 02:36, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC) ==What Wikipedia:WikiProject Rankings project is not== *This is not suggesting a hierarcal system. *It will be used only by users who want to use it. *Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it. *The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution. *It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version. I urge you to reconsider your vote based on this clarification. Thanks --User:Coolcat User talk:Coolcat 08:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Waking the Tiger== Thank you for restoring contents.--User:Jondel 00:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == WP: DICK == You might want to vote at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#April 13. User:Zocky 20:46, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == More Sam Clinton == Thanks so very much for the kind words. At the risk of sounding insensitive, the guy comes off as autistic. I feel like I'm dealing with a special-ed student across a two thousand-mile rift both literally and figuratively. Sigh...I just don't know what to do. I was hoping to bring him around but I think the guy's on his last legs before this either goes to arbitration or an admin bans him outright for a bit. - User:Lucky 6.9 02:07, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) == All my messages == First, I was hard hit by messages about bad contributions. Now, I am being hit hard about messages about good contributions. Obviously, my bad contrast of bogusness/appropriateness from the past caused all this. It's kinda bizarre that I still have recurring messages after a big changeover of opinion from the other audience. --User:SuperDude115 15:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==My BEEFSTEW edit== Its not the result of a dispute, but it is the result of frustration about an article (Perins Community School) that is really not notable but full of facts that on the surface appear to be significant but when you know a bit about them are common to hundreds of UK schools. There is also a detailed history of the schools enrolment figures, which to my mind are no less trivial than the current enrollment figure, but not mentioned in the BEEFSTEW. User:Thryduulf 10:15, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Names of large numbers== Thanks for that explanation, it makes perfect sense now. If you feel it necessary, I could look up the words in the Chambers Dictionary I have at home this evening and add them to the list. User:Thryduulf 13:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Vfd Blunders == Thank you for being a voice of reason and moderation. You seem very concerned with holding everything in Wikipedia up to the highest standard. I admire that, though I personally feel things should generally have a little more flexibility. The topic of blunders is clearly a magnet for controversy so your concerns make sense. I agree with you: the high standards will keep junk off the page and stop silly arguments about what should be listed. I want to be an optimist and believe "people will see this page and just want to improve it", but more and more my experiences on Wikipedia indicate that there is an inevitable childish minority who think "edit this page" is a license to try to distort it any way they see fit. Though I consider myself an inclusionist I probably would have voted against List of people believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder--though I would have to read through the vfd arguments to be sure. The list just seems excessively trivial and mean spirited. It is the perfect precedent, though: an excellent example of an extreme POV topic being handled in an objective, encyclopedic way. - User:Pioneer-12 20:23, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Re: Online misunderstandings == Wow, thanks for the advice. Yes, there is an illusion similar to being among friends. Or maybe just the illusion of being among intelligent, open minded people.... There actually are a surprising number of intelligent, open minded people on Wikipedia, but the jerks and morons tend to stand out. I like the idea of saying "That's a joke". Yeah, you do have to spell ''everything'' out. Maybe pretend you are talking to alien children. I can see myself typing "This is a joke, you morons!" and then, like you, I contemplate if it's worth saying at all.... Often, it isn't. But, sometimes the joke is too good to pass up. :-) A little humor can be invaluable in relieving stress and in turning an atmosphere of tension into an atmosphere of fun. I don't mind being misunderstood by clueless people. Some people will misunderstand anything. As long as the intelligent people know what I'm talking about, that's fine with me. The rest.... well, deal with them if necessary, but better to just ignore them--let them bumble around in their clueless irritation--and deal with the intelligent people whenever possible. Wikipedia talk history sucks. Every careless keystroke preserved in eternity. Wiki's just weren't designed for forum use, so why are we trying to use them like one? It's a round peg in a square hole. Now, I have not yet checked out to the reaction to my satirical tour-de-force on the Vfd page, but I'll bet some people are whining about it. Too bad. That was too good NOT to say. - User:Pioneer-12 21:25, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) p.s. That was truly a fine little essay you posted on my talk page--too important to be stranded on an obscure user-talk page. I think it deserves to be on a general tips page, like Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. ==A little help?== Hi, a user has raised an NPOV objection at chemtrail and I would very much appreciate your comment before I do anything to "fix" it. (For some reason, I tend to end up irritating people when I get involved in this sort of dispute.) -- User:FirstPrinciples User talk:FirstPrinciples 14:31, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) == The Gadget Maker == This is belated (I've just recently returned to Wikipedia in full), but I must thank you for expanding The Gadget Maker. Wonderful book with now a fitting page. User:Xmnemonic 06:01, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC) == Doctor Wangs company == Hi Dpbsmith. I'm currently working on an translation of the article Wang Laboratories into the german Wikipedia. I came across a phrase I can't figure out what it exactly means: ''Wang calculators cost in the mid-four-figures''. Could you give an explanation; I am reachable in germans Wikipedia under User-Name Jetter --> [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Jetter Jetter comments]. Thanks a lot! --User:81.221.209.157 15:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) : Thanks for your answer. Yeah, in German you would probably say "Der Preis bewegte sich im mittleren vierstelligen Bereich", which literally means "The price moved around in the mid four-digit area". So actually I could have guessed that (four-figure --> four-digit) ... --User:81.221.107.138 06:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC) == Klonimus and Jesus VfD == What can I say? I admit I got a little chuckle (perhaps a slightly inappropriate one) out of Klonimus' vote. While it probably wasn't a wise thing to do, he probably realized that the article was as close to a speedy keep as we can get and let off a bit of steam. (Or maybe he ''does'' believe that the West Nowhere Middle School is more deserving of a Wikipedia article than Jesus...who are we to judge?) I'd be inclined to let it slide--if he's trolling, then we've just been successfully baited. --User:TenOfAllTrades (User_talk:TenOfAllTrades/Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades) 14:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC) -- * Reason (for wanting Kennedy Fried Chicken gone)? To make a long story short, I contributed this page and "Ray's Pizza" yesterday, only to have my contributions belittled and deleted by User:Geogre (sic), who then proceeded to insult me and insinuate that I'm a liar (why? I don't know, he probably has problems of his own). Evidently the people running Wikipedia have also granted him the ability to ban people from the site. So I just don't feel good about Wikipedia, and I'd rather not help them if they're going to pretend to welcome editors on the one hand, only to tell them to essentially "fuck off" once they try. * I didn't go into my reasons on the Voting for Deletion page because I'm trying not to be petty. Sorry if it's not working. * User:66.65.88.245 16:44, 10 May 2005 (UTC) Hi, Dpbsmith. You know me -- desperate hot head and belittler of the innocent. Anyway, please follow our IP friend's contributions. Also be sure to check out the original state of both articles. Mean old me speedy deleted an article with no content but a statement of a negative. Terrible. There ought to be a law. Anyway, also be sure to check out the highly articulate messages he has been sending on user talk pages. (It is amusing, in a depressing way, to see current VfD voters lecturing me as if I'm a troll who knows not the ways of VfD.) User:Geogre 00:02, 11 May 2005 (UTC) == Heavy sigh == It's not worth pursuing, but see the IP's talk page, if you care to know. 1. Single sentence article on a coincidence in NYC. 2. I speedied (criterion #1). 3. Screaming insults from IP. 4. I see that the IP's only posts are now to a VfD on one of the articles (so now it's a conspiracy, since after he recreated it out of process, someone else nominated it for VfD). 5. I mention on there that the IP's reactions are bannable, but let's vote on the article, not the subject. 6. Lectures, Netoholic-like, proceed, with me, an obvious newbie to VfD, being told how sad it is that some innocent newbie is getting bitten, etc. 7. Meanwhile, IP is shouting all over the vote, removing headers, etc. 8. He decides to take his valuable sentence away, and I'm now considered a horrible abusive admin. Yeah, that's me. I'm ''such'' a cabalist. For whatever it's worth, the articles no longer contain the author's sentence. Therefore, they can't be SD for author blanking. (In fact, the same was true of the Kennedy's Fried Chicken, which he got SD'd improperly.) So it goes, though. The way I look at it, new users who write inappropriate articles either learn from the experience or start threatening and calling names. The former should be encouraged. The latter should be shown the door. It seems, though, that VfD is back to the way it was in the old days, with a group of shocked --just shocked!-- people who think it their duty to go to every debate and shout "shame shame shame" at anyone who wants a thing deleted. ''Sic transit gloria mundi.'' User:Geogre 03:17, 11 May 2005 (UTC) :I was just passing by and I saw this... (yeah, I'm nosy) :If you made the poster mad by deleting something that they posted, then you are doing something wrong. Slapping people in the face when they do something inappropriate because they don't know any better isn't going to make Wikipedia many friends. :New posters need to be treated with explanations, not condemnation. :- User:Pioneer-12 01:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC) == BEEFSTEW == Whilst I was tidying :Category:Wikipedia Policy thinktank I came across your BEEFSTEW subpage. I would be bold and delete the
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'' The Time Is: '' Personal website at [http://tinyurl.com/6nad6] AKA b:User:Dpbsmith First edit 06:11, 6 Sep 2003, to Jack London ==Quotations== :Mr. Frankland, of Lafter Hall ... is an elderly man, red-faced, white-haired, and choleric. His passion is for the British law, and he has spent a large fortune in litigation. He fights for the mere pleasure of fighting and is equally ready to take up either side of a question, so that it is no wonder that he has found it a costly amusement. Sometimes he will shut up a right of way and defy the parish to make him open it. At others he will with his own hands tear down some other man's gate and declare that a path has existed there from time immemorial, defying the owner to prosecute him for trespass. He is learned in old manorial and communal rights, and he applies his knowledge sometimes in favour of the villagers of Fernworthy and sometimes against them, so that he is periodically either carried in triumph down the village street or else burned in effigy, according to his latest exploit. He is said to have about seven lawsuits upon his hands at present, which will probably swallow up the remainder of his fortune and so draw his sting and leave him harmless for the future.—Arthur Conan Doyle, ''The Hound of the Baskervilles'' ---- :Then he saw also that it matters little what profession, whether of religion or irreligion, a man may make, provided only he follows it out with charitable inconsistency, and without insisting on it to the bitter end. It is in the uncompromisingness with which dogma is held and not in the dogma or want of dogma that the danger lies.—Samuel Butler, The Way Of All Flesh ==Don't let folks get apoplectic. Use Hegelian dialectic!== In time of need call on the editor's creed:
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
If you think what you read should be NPOV-ed,
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
So plant a good seed
And do a good deed
And don't ever stop until all have agreed
And then they will call you a real Wikiped-
Ian.
''Thesis, antithesis, synthesis!''
:::—Me, August 20, 2004 == Current Wikistress level == Low ==Notability not a criterion for deletion?== I'm confused; please help me out here. On the VfD pages, just about the most-cited reason for deletion is that the subject (or even the article) is "not-notable". Fair enough. Yet in Wikipedia:Deletion policy, the words "notability" or "notable" aren't even mentioned, and in Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, it only applies to memorials of people. What's going on here? Are we all suffering from mass delusions, or is there some unwritten policy that states "non-notability" is a valid
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See also: * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive04 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive03 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive02 * User talk:Dpbsmith/archive01 ==Original name of Spam== You Talk:SPAM for it, so I went and found it out for you. Evidently the original name for SPAM was "Hormel Spiced Ham". --User:Neschek — User:Neschek | User talk: Neschek 02:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Zürich to Zurich == Zürich has been nominated on Wikipedia:Requested moves for a page move to Zurich. Perhapse you might like to express your opinion about this proposed move on talk:Zürich. User:Philip Baird Shearer 10:08, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Please move you straw poll "Proposal and straw poll regarding place names with diacritical marks" from Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions to the more appropriate: Wikipedia_talk:Naming_conventions (use_English) where there is lots of discussion on this subject. User:Philip Baird Shearer 17:15, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC) == issues over school articles == In November 2003, there was a VfD debate over Sunset High School (Portland). The debate was archived under Talk:Sunset High School (Portland). What to do with the article is still being contested and has been recently re-nominated for VfD at Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sunset High School (Portland). I am writing to you because you have participated in such debates before. There still does not exist a wikipedia policy (as far as i can tell) over what to do in regards to articles about specific U.S. public school. My hope is that a real consensus can come out of the debate, and a real policy can take shape. Take part if you are so willing. User:Kingturtle 02:23, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Merge and delete== Invalid is probably to strong a term, but but "vote strongly discouraged as it is considered by some to be invalid and causes a great deal of work for admins in any case" is too long to type out on a regular basis. - User:SimonP 02:36, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC) ==What Wikipedia:WikiProject Rankings project is not== *This is not suggesting a hierarcal system. *It will be used only by users who want to use it. *Only ranking will be assigend to users who want to use it. *The idea ment to make it like barn stars, but based on regular contribution. *It is currently a prototype, likely that it is nothing like the final version. I urge you to reconsider your vote based on this clarification. Thanks --User:Coolcat User talk:Coolcat 08:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Waking the Tiger== Thank you for restoring contents.--User:Jondel 00:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == WP: DICK == You might want to vote at Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion#April 13. User:Zocky 20:46, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC) == More Sam Clinton == Thanks so very much for the kind words. At the risk of sounding insensitive, the guy comes off as autistic. I feel like I'm dealing with a special-ed student across a two thousand-mile rift both literally and figuratively. Sigh...I just don't know what to do. I was hoping to bring him around but I think the guy's on his last legs before this either goes to arbitration or an admin bans him outright for a bit. - User:Lucky 6.9 02:07, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC) == All my messages == First, I was hard hit by messages about bad contributions. Now, I am being hit hard about messages about good contributions. Obviously, my bad contrast of bogusness/appropriateness from the past caused all this. It's kinda bizarre that I still have recurring messages after a big changeover of opinion from the other audience. --User:SuperDude115 15:38, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==My BEEFSTEW edit== Its not the result of a dispute, but it is the result of frustration about an article (Perins Community School) that is really not notable but full of facts that on the surface appear to be significant but when you know a bit about them are common to hundreds of UK schools. There is also a detailed history of the schools enrolment figures, which to my mind are no less trivial than the current enrollment figure, but not mentioned in the BEEFSTEW. User:Thryduulf 10:15, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Names of large numbers== Thanks for that explanation, it makes perfect sense now. If you feel it necessary, I could look up the words in the Chambers Dictionary I have at home this evening and add them to the list. User:Thryduulf 13:47, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Vfd Blunders == Thank you for being a voice of reason and moderation. You seem very concerned with holding everything in Wikipedia up to the highest standard. I admire that, though I personally feel things should generally have a little more flexibility. The topic of blunders is clearly a magnet for controversy so your concerns make sense. I agree with you: the high standards will keep junk off the page and stop silly arguments about what should be listed. I want to be an optimist and believe "people will see this page and just want to improve it", but more and more my experiences on Wikipedia indicate that there is an inevitable childish minority who think "edit this page" is a license to try to distort it any way they see fit. Though I consider myself an inclusionist I probably would have voted against List of people believed to have been affected by bipolar disorder--though I would have to read through the vfd arguments to be sure. The list just seems excessively trivial and mean spirited. It is the perfect precedent, though: an excellent example of an extreme POV topic being handled in an objective, encyclopedic way. - User:Pioneer-12 20:23, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Re: Online misunderstandings == Wow, thanks for the advice. Yes, there is an illusion similar to being among friends. Or maybe just the illusion of being among intelligent, open minded people.... There actually are a surprising number of intelligent, open minded people on Wikipedia, but the jerks and morons tend to stand out. I like the idea of saying "That's a joke". Yeah, you do have to spell ''everything'' out. Maybe pretend you are talking to alien children. I can see myself typing "This is a joke, you morons!" and then, like you, I contemplate if it's worth saying at all.... Often, it isn't. But, sometimes the joke is too good to pass up. :-) A little humor can be invaluable in relieving stress and in turning an atmosphere of tension into an atmosphere of fun. I don't mind being misunderstood by clueless people. Some people will misunderstand anything. As long as the intelligent people know what I'm talking about, that's fine with me. The rest.... well, deal with them if necessary, but better to just ignore them--let them bumble around in their clueless irritation--and deal with the intelligent people whenever possible. Wikipedia talk history sucks. Every careless keystroke preserved in eternity. Wiki's just weren't designed for forum use, so why are we trying to use them like one? It's a round peg in a square hole. Now, I have not yet checked out to the reaction to my satirical tour-de-force on the Vfd page, but I'll bet some people are whining about it. Too bad. That was too good NOT to say. - User:Pioneer-12 21:25, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC) p.s. That was truly a fine little essay you posted on my talk page--too important to be stranded on an obscure user-talk page. I think it deserves to be on a general tips page, like Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. ==A little help?== Hi, a user has raised an NPOV objection at chemtrail and I would very much appreciate your comment before I do anything to "fix" it. (For some reason, I tend to end up irritating people when I get involved in this sort of dispute.) -- User:FirstPrinciples User talk:FirstPrinciples 14:31, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) == The Gadget Maker == This is belated (I've just recently returned to Wikipedia in full), but I must thank you for expanding The Gadget Maker. Wonderful book with now a fitting page. User:Xmnemonic 06:01, 2005 Apr 29 (UTC) == Doctor Wangs company == Hi Dpbsmith. I'm currently working on an translation of the article Wang Laboratories into the german Wikipedia. I came across a phrase I can't figure out what it exactly means: ''Wang calculators cost in the mid-four-figures''. Could you give an explanation; I am reachable in germans Wikipedia under User-Name Jetter --> [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Jetter Jetter comments]. Thanks a lot! --User:81.221.209.157 15:54, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) : Thanks for your answer. Yeah, in German you would probably say "Der Preis bewegte sich im mittleren vierstelligen Bereich", which literally means "The price moved around in the mid four-digit area". So actually I could have guessed that (four-figure --> four-digit) ... --User:81.221.107.138 06:17, 1 May 2005 (UTC) == Klonimus and Jesus VfD == What can I say? I admit I got a little chuckle (perhaps a slightly inappropriate one) out of Klonimus' vote. While it probably wasn't a wise thing to do, he probably realized that the article was as close to a speedy keep as we can get and let off a bit of steam. (Or maybe he ''does'' believe that the West Nowhere Middle School is more deserving of a Wikipedia article than Jesus...who are we to judge?) I'd be inclined to let it slide--if he's trolling, then we've just been successfully baited. --User:TenOfAllTrades (User_talk:TenOfAllTrades/Special:Contributions/TenOfAllTrades) 14:27, 1 May 2005 (UTC) -- * Reason (for wanting Kennedy Fried Chicken gone)? To make a long story short, I contributed this page and "Ray's Pizza" yesterday, only to have my contributions belittled and deleted by User:Geogre (sic), who then proceeded to insult me and insinuate that I'm a liar (why? I don't know, he probably has problems of his own). Evidently the people running Wikipedia have also granted him the ability to ban people from the site. So I just don't feel good about Wikipedia, and I'd rather not help them if they're going to pretend to welcome editors on the one hand, only to tell them to essentially "fuck off" once they try. * I didn't go into my reasons on the Voting for Deletion page because I'm trying not to be petty. Sorry if it's not working. * User:66.65.88.245 16:44, 10 May 2005 (UTC) Hi, Dpbsmith. You know me -- desperate hot head and belittler of the innocent. Anyway, please follow our IP friend's contributions. Also be sure to check out the original state of both articles. Mean old me speedy deleted an article with no content but a statement of a negative. Terrible. There ought to be a law. Anyway, also be sure to check out the highly articulate messages he has been sending on user talk pages. (It is amusing, in a depressing way, to see current VfD voters lecturing me as if I'm a troll who knows not the ways of VfD.) User:Geogre 00:02, 11 May 2005 (UTC) == Heavy sigh == It's not worth pursuing, but see the IP's talk page, if you care to know. 1. Single sentence article on a coincidence in NYC. 2. I speedied (criterion #1). 3. Screaming insults from IP. 4. I see that the IP's only posts are now to a VfD on one of the articles (so now it's a conspiracy, since after he recreated it out of process, someone else nominated it for VfD). 5. I mention on there that the IP's reactions are bannable, but let's vote on the article, not the subject. 6. Lectures, Netoholic-like, proceed, with me, an obvious newbie to VfD, being told how sad it is that some innocent newbie is getting bitten, etc. 7. Meanwhile, IP is shouting all over the vote, removing headers, etc. 8. He decides to take his valuable sentence away, and I'm now considered a horrible abusive admin. Yeah, that's me. I'm ''such'' a cabalist. For whatever it's worth, the articles no longer contain the author's sentence. Therefore, they can't be SD for author blanking. (In fact, the same was true of the Kennedy's Fried Chicken, which he got SD'd improperly.) So it goes, though. The way I look at it, new users who write inappropriate articles either learn from the experience or start threatening and calling names. The former should be encouraged. The latter should be shown the door. It seems, though, that VfD is back to the way it was in the old days, with a group of shocked --just shocked!-- people who think it their duty to go to every debate and shout "shame shame shame" at anyone who wants a thing deleted. ''Sic transit gloria mundi.'' User:Geogre 03:17, 11 May 2005 (UTC) :I was just passing by and I saw this... (yeah, I'm nosy) :If you made the poster mad by deleting something that they posted, then you are doing something wrong. Slapping people in the face when they do something inappropriate because they don't know any better isn't going to make Wikipedia many friends. :New posters need to be treated with explanations, not condemnation. :- User:Pioneer-12 01:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC) == BEEFSTEW == Whilst I was tidying :Category:Wikipedia Policy thinktank I came across your BEEFSTEW subpage. I would be bold and delete the
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