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Donald Rumsfeld



Donald Henry Rumsfeld (born July 9, 1932) is the current United States Secretary of Defense of the United States, since January 20, 2001, under President of the United States George W. Bush. His current term of office is as the 21st Secretary of Defense, and he is the oldest person to have held that position. He served under President Gerald Ford as the 13th Secretary of Defense from 1975 to 1977, making him also the youngest person to have held the job. Rumsfeld has also had a long career in private industry and public service. Rumsfeld has been married to his wife Joyce since 1954. They have three children and six grandchildren. He was selected as one of the world's Sex appeal men in the December 2, 2002 issue of People magazine. Critics of the war in Iraq accuse him of being a war criminal. == Career == === Nixon Administration === Born in Evanston, Illinois, of Germany descent (his grandfather was originally from Bremen in Northern Germany), Donald Rumsfeld graduated from New Trier High School and attended Princeton University on scholarship (BA, 1954) and served in the United States Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. He went to Washington, DC, in 1957, during the Dwight D. Eisenhower Administration, to serve as Administrative Assistant to a Congressman from Ohio. After a stint with investment banking firm A. G. Becker from 1960 to 1962, he was elected to the United States House of Representatives from Illinois in 1962, at the age of 30, and was re-elected in 1964, 1966, and 1968. Rumsfeld resigned from Congress in 1969 during his fourth term to serve in the Richard M. Nixon Administration as Director of the United States Office of Economic Opportunity, Assistant to the President, and a member of the President's Cabinet (1969-1970); Counselor to the President, Director of the Economic Stabilization Act of 1970; and member of the President's Cabinet (1971-1972). In 1973, he left Washington, DC, to serve as Ambassadors from the United States to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) in Brussels, Belgium (1973-1974). === Ford Administration === [[Image:Ford-rumsfeld.jpg|thumb|300px|Secretary Rumsfeld laughing at the Cabinet table with President Gerald Ford in 1975.]] In August 1974, he was called back to Washington, DC, to serve in the Ford Administration successively as Chairman of the transition to the Presidency of Gerald R. Ford (1974); White House Chief of Staff member of the President's Cabinet (1974-1975); and the 13th U.S. Secretary of Defense (1975-1977). During this period he oversaw the transition to an all volunteer military and was instrumental in increasing the power of the military within the administration and at the expense of the Central Intelligence Agency and Henry Kissinger. This was accomplished by promulgating the view that the Soviet Union was increasing defense spending and pursuing secret weapons programs, and that the proper response was a re-escalation of the arms race. This view was in direct contrast to Central Intelligence Agency and generally accepted reports on the declining state of the Soviet economy, and the earlier success of Richard Nixon in establishing Detente (referring to a thawing of the Cold War) with the Soviet Union. As part of the Ford administration, Rumsfeld helped formulate the White House response to the death via LSD of Central Intelligence Agency scientist Frank Olson. Olson, a participant in the controversial MKULTRA project, was determined to be a security risk after developing moral qualms about his work on mind control experiments, deciding to leave his government work and become a dentist. Unwittingly given LSD and apparently thrown to his death out a hotel window in 1953, the circumstances of Olson's death remained a mystery to his family until they were unearthed by the congressional Church Committee investigation into the CIA's domestic activities. In response to their threat to sue the United States government, White House staffers Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney reportedly warned President Gerald Ford that a lawsuit concerning Frank Olson could result in the public disclosure of additional and related measures taken in the interest of national security that could extend popular dissatisfaction with the intelligence community and federal government. An out of court settlement was offered, along with personal meetings between the Olson family and the White House. The White House maintained, however, that Olson's death was a suicide, a detail that remained unchallenged until an exhumation of Olson's body suggested the scientist had been murdered. The exhumation was inspired by the Olson family's discovery of a CIA manual on interrogation that recommended drugging a subject before throwing them out a window. The full story was reported in late 2004 by ''The Baltimore Sun'' in a story reprinted in papers around the country, including [http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/09/12/MNG468MM8N1.DTL here] in the San Francisco Chronicle. In 1976, a military recruit in New Jersey died from a flu that experts speculated might be the "swine flu". At Rumsfeld's urging, the Ford administration quickly produced and distributed huge amounts of vaccine. Some batches were contaminated. 600 people sickened and 52 died. The program was stopped and nobody got swine flu. In 1977, Rumsfeld was awarded the nation's highest civilian award, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. === Private career === From 1977 to 1985 Rumsfeld served as Chief Executive Officer, President, and then Chairman of Searle (company), a worldwide pharmaceutical company whose products included, among others, the oral contraceptive pill Enovid. It was under Rumsfeld that Searle got FDA approval for the artificial sweetener debate artificial sweetener, aspartame. During his tenure at Searle, Rumsfeld reduced the number of employees in the company by around 60%. The financial turnaround of the company earned him awards as the Outstanding Chief Executive Officer in the Pharmaceutical Industry from the ''Wall Street Transcript'' (1980) and ''Financial World'' (1981). Rumsfeld is believed to have earned around US$12 million from the sale of Searle to Monsanto. From 1985 to 1990 he was in private business. During his business career, Rumsfeld continued public service in a variety of posts, including: [[Image:Rumsfeld and Giuliani at Ground Zero.jpg|300px|thumb|Rumsfeld and New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani speak at the site of the September 11, 2001 attacks in lower Manhattan, on November 14, 2001.]] *Member of the President's General Advisory Committee on Arms Control - Reagan Administration (1982 - 1986); *President Reagan's Special Envoy on the Law of the Sea Treaty (1982 - 1983); *Senior Advisor to President Reagan's Panel on Strategic Systems (1983 - 1984); *Member of the U.S. Joint Advisory Commission on U.S./Japan Relations - Reagan Administration (1983 - 1984); *President Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East (1983 - 1984); *Member of the National Commission on the Public Service (1987 - 1990); *Member of the National Economic Commission (1988 - 1989); *Member of the Board of Visitors of the National Defense University (1988 - 1992); *Member of the Commission on U.S./Japan Relations (1989 - 1991); *Member of the Board of Directors for ABB Ltd (1990 - 2001); *Federal Communications Commission's High Definition Television Advisory Committee (1992 - 1993); *Chairman, Commission on the Ballistic Missile Threat to the United States (1998 - 1999); *Member of the U.S. Trade Deficit Review Commission (1999 - 2000); *Member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) and *Chairman of the U.S. Commission to Assess National Security Space Management and Organization (2000). [[Image:Donald_saddam.jpg|150px|frame|Rumsfeld, at the time Ronald Reagan's special envoy to the Middle East, meeting with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Baghdad, Iraq in 1983. Video frame capture, see the [http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB82/ complete video] Rumsfeld served as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of General Instrument Corporation from 1990 to 1993. A leader in broadband transmission, distribution, and access control technologies for cable, satellite and terrestrial broadcasting applications, the company pioneered the development of the first all-digital high definition television (HDTV) technology. After taking the company public and returning it to profitability, Rumsfeld returned to private business in late 1993. Until being sworn in as the 21st Secretary of Defense, Rumsfeld served as Chairman of Gilead Sciences, Inc. He was also chair of the RAND Corporation. === Reagan Administration === During his period as Reagan's Special Envoy to the Middle East, Rumsfeld was the main conduit for crucial American military intelligence, hardware and strategic advice to Saddam Hussein, then fighting Iran in the Iran-Iraq war. During this period, US policy supported Iraq, believing it to be a useful buffer against Iran's new religious government, although the United States had originally been hesitant to work with a Soviet client state. When he visited on December 19-20, 1983, he and Saddam Hussein had a 90 minute discussion which covered Syria's occupation of Lebanon, preventing Syrian and Iranian expansion, preventing arms sales to Iran by foreign countries, increasing Iraqi oil production via a possible new oil pipeline across Jordan. Not mentioned was Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. The Iranian government had cited several Iraqi air and ground chemical weapons attacks in the preceding two months, and the Iranian news agency had reported the use of chemical weapons as early as 1981. The US State Department first condemned the use of chemical weapons in the war on March 5, 1984, two days before the ICRC confirmed Iranian allegations. Rumsfeld's civic activities included service as a member of the National Academy of Public Administration and a member of the boards of trustees of the Gerald R. Ford Foundation, the Eisenhower Exchange Fellowships, the Hoover Institution at Stanford University, and the National Park Foundation. He was also a member of the U.S./Russia Business Forum and Chairman of the Congressional Leadership's National Security Advisory Group. [[Image:RicePowellBushRumsfeld.jpg|thumb|300px|Rumsfeld, then-National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and then-Secretary of State Colin Powell listen to President George W. Bush speak.]] Rumsfeld was a founder and active member of the Project for the New American Century, whose goal is to "promote American global leadership" and which in September 2000 2003 invasion of Iraq. He signed the 1998 [http://www.theindyvoice.com/index.blog?entry_id=417960 PNAC Letter] sent to President William Jefferson Clinton advocating the use of force in Iraq to "protect our vital interests in the gulf". While Rumsfeld was on the board of directors of ABB, the global technology group, they issued a press release on January 20, 2000 that said they have signed contracts to deliver equipment and services for two nuclear power stations at Kumho, on the east coast of North Korea. The deal was part of the 1994 U.S.-North Korea nuclear pact. He has not made any public statements explaining the arrangement. === Bush Administration === Appointed defense secretary soon after President George W. Bush took office in 2001, Rumsfeld immediately announced a series of sweeping reviews intended to plot the transformation of the U.S. military into a lighter, more nimble force. These studies, led by Pentagon analyst Andrew Marshall, drew widespread resistance from the military services and members of Congress, who worried that Rumsfeld would cancel pet projects. (Eventually, he succeeded in killing the Army's Crusader howitzer and its Comanche armed scout helicopter.) Media reports in the summer of 2001 ran under headlines like "Will Rumsfeld Be The First Of Bush's Cabinet To Go?" [[Image:rumsfeld_and_cheney.jpg|thumb|300px|Donald Rumsfeld with Dick Cheney]] That changed with the military operations launched after the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Rumsfeld led the military planning and execution of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan and the 2003 invasion of Iraq. Rumsfeld pushed hard to send as small a force as possible to Iraq, a concept codified as the Rumsfeld doctrine. Rumsfeld's plan resulted in a lightning invasion that took Baghdad in well under a month with very few American casualties. Critics complained that were almost no preparations for the occupation of Iraq that followed. Many government buildings, plus major museums, electrical generation infrastructure, and even oil equipment were looted during the transition from the fall of Saddam Husein regime to the establishment of the Coalition Provisional Authority. Critics further complained that there was noplan to deal with the existing Iraqi armed forces. They were disbanded, leaving hundreds of thousands of armed and unemployed men in the country. A violent insurrection began shortly after the occupation began. It has been argued that Rumsfeld should be held responsible for war crimes committed during the invasion by the U.S. military at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. A war crimes complaint filed against him in Germany by the Center for Constitutional Rights and was not accepted.[http://www.expatica.com/source/site_article.asp?subchannel_id=52&story_id=16014&name=Rumsfeld scraps Munich visit over war probe] Eight men who say they were tortured at Abu Graib filed a federal suit against Rumsfeld in his home state of Illinois. After the German and France governments voiced opposition to invading Iraqi, Rumsfeld labeled these countries as part of "Old Europe", implying that countries which supported the war were part of a newer, modern Europe. He gives more press conferences than his predecessors. The BBC Radio 4 current affairs program Broadcasting House (radio programme) had been so taken by Rumsfeld's various remarks that it once held a regular slot called "The Donald Rumsfeld Soundbite of the Week" in which they played his most amusing comment from that week. Rumsfeld himself is said to have found the slot "hilarious." Rumsfeld's penchant for talking with his hands also made him the butt of jokes, including [http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=31845 a series] portraying him as a martial arts master. Bush retained Rumsfeld after his re-election, which raised eyebrows among Democrats and some Republicans. During a 2004 meeting with US troops in Iraq, Rumsfeld responded to a soldier's comments about inferior military equipment by saying "you go to war with the army you have," a comment some characterized as needlessly cold. The response to the question lasted for about an hour and the soldiers present gave Rumsfeld a standing ovation after the speech. There was also criticism about his use of a signature machine to sign the condolence letters to the families of the soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan. [[Image:Rumsfeld_Isaias_Afewerki.jpg|thumb|300px|Donald Rumsfeld and Eritrean President Isaias Afewerki shake hands in Eritrea]] ==Quotes== * "We take the world like you find it; and Israel is a small state with a small population. It’s a democracy and it exists in a neighborhood that in many -- over a period of time has opined from time to time that they’d prefer it not be there and they’d like it to be put in the sea. And Israel has opined that it would prefer not to get put in the sea, and as a result, over a period of decades, it has arranged itself so it hasn’t been put in the sea." * "Our task, your task... is to try to connect the dots before something happens. People say, 'Well, where's the smoking gun?' Well, we don't want to see a smoking gun from a weapon of mass destruction." * "Learn to say "I don't know." If used when appropriate, it will be often." * "If you are not criticized, you may not be doing much." * "Beware when any idea is promoted primarily because it is "bold, exciting, innovative, and new." There are many ideas that are "bold, exciting, innovative and new," but also foolish." * "(Cluster bombs are) being used on frontline al Qaeda and Taliban troops to try to kill them is why we're using them, to be perfectly blunt." * "I'm hopeful that some will surrender. I suspect some won't, and I suspect the result from that will be that the opposition forces will kill them." * "I think we ought to have a new rule: You can ask two questions, and then we can pick the one we want to answer." * "Charlie, the answer to the question "Is he alive or dead" -- the answer is yes, he is alive or dead. (Laughter.)"(referring to bin Laden) * "...And of course, even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while." * "I mean, let's face it. They weren't exactly baking cookies in those caves." (In response to why U.S. bombers killed people hiding in caves.) * "I don't do diplomacy." * "You go to war with the army you have." * "Well, Dick, calibrate me, but the first thing I'd say is I don't believe you have the war plan -- (laughter) -- a fact which does not make me unhappy. (Laughter.)" * "Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns - the ones we don't know we don't know." * "Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not." (Sept. 11, 2001) ==Affiliation History== ===Institutional Affiliations=== * Center for Security Policy: Longtime associate; winner of the CSP's 1998 "Keeper of the Flame" award (5) * Hoover Institution: Member, board of trustees * Project for the New American Century: Signed PNAC's founding statement of principles as well as two policy letters on Iraq * Freedom House: Board member * RAND Corporation: Board member * Committee for the Free World: Former chairman ===Government Posts/Panels/Commissions=== * U.S. Commission to Assess National Security Space Management and Organization: Chairman (2000) * U.S. Ballistic Missile Threat Commission: Chairman (1998) * Secretary of Defense (1975-77) * White House Chief of Staff in Ford administration (1974-75) * U.S. Ambassador to NATO (1973-74) * U.S. Congress: U.S. Representative from Illinois (1962-69) * U.S. Navy: Various posts, including aviator (1954-57); reserves (1957-1975) ===Corporate Connections/Business Interests=== * Gilead Sciences pharmaceutical company: Chairman (until 2001) * General Instrument Corporation: Chairman and CEO (1990-93) * G.D. Searle pharmaceutical company: CEO/Chairman/President (1977-1985) * Bechtel Corporation: Was involved in Iraq-Bechtel negotiations in the 1980s on a pipeline project * Gulfstream Aerospace: Former director * Tribune Company: Former director * Metricom, Inc.: Former director * Sears, Roebuck and Co.: Former director * ABB AB: Former director ===Education=== * Princeton University: A.B. (1954) ==See also== *Agathidium rumsfeldi - a slime-mold beetle named after Rumsfeld *U.S. Congressional Delegations from Illinois ==External links== *Works **[http://www.defenselink.mil/speeches/secdef.html What the Secretary Has Been Saying] official speeches and transcripts **[http://www.opinionjournal.com/wsj/?id=85000505 Rumsfeld's Rules] advice on government, business and life, January 29, 2001 **''Strategic Imperatives in East Asia'' by Donald Rumsfeld (Heritage Foundation, 1998) ISBN B0006FCPRU **[http://www.project-syndicate.org/contributors/contributor_comm.php4?id=722 Donald Rumsfeld's Project Syndicate op/eds] *Biographies **[http://www.whitehouse.gov/government/rumsfeld-bio.html White House Biography] **[http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/secdef_bio.html Department of Defense Biography] **''Rumsfeld's War: The Untold Story of America's Anti-Terrorist Commander'' by Rowan Scarborough (Regnery Publishing, 2004) ISBN 0895260697 **''Rumsfeld: A Personal Portrait'' by Midge Decter (Regan Books, 2003) ISBN 0060560916 **''The Rumsfeld Way: The Leadership Wisdom of a Battle-Hardened Maverick'' by Jeffrey A. Krames (McGraw-Hill, 2002) ISBN 0071406417 *Documentaries and reports **[http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/ PBS Frontline - Rumsfeld's War] October 2004 documentary **[http://www.medienanalyse-international.de/rumdfeld.html - Rumsfeld's conduct on 9/11] October 2002 documentary **[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/liveonline/partners/frontline.htm Washington Post - Rumsfeld's War] archives 2001-2004 with video and discussions *Directories **[http://search.looksmart.com/p/browse/us1/us317828/us317851/us4225550/us1141249/us1141409/us1141463/ Looksmart - Donald Rumsfeld] directory category **[http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/U_S__Government/Executive_Branch/Departments_and_Agencies/Department_of_Defense__DOD_/Office_of_the_Secretary/Rumsfeld__Donald___Secretary_of_Defense/ Yahoo! - Donald Rumsfeld] directory category *Articles **[http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=2177 The Saddam in Rumsfeld's Closet, Jeremy Scahill] **[http://www.ips-dc.org/crudevision/index.htm Crude Vision: How Oil Interests Obscured US Government Focus On Chemical Weapons Use by Saddam Hussein], Institute for Policy Studies, March 24, 2003 **[http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/11/mann.htm Close-Up: Young Rumsfeld], James Mann, The Atlantic Monthly, November 2003 **[http://washingtontimes.com/national/20040223-012306-4708r.htm 'This is war' Rumsfeld told Bush,] Washington Times, February 23, 2004 **[http://www.mabus.biz/who/rumsfeld Conspiracy theory about Rumsfeld] **[http://www.moveon.org/censure/caughtonvideo/ Donald Rumsfeld caught lying about weapons of mass destruction] **[http://www.abb.com/global/abbzh/abbzh251.nsf!OpenDatabase&db=/global/abbzh/abbzh250.nsf&v=553E&e=&url=/global/seitp/seitp202.nsf/0/C1256C290031524B4125686C00433604!OpenDocument ABB to deliver systems, equipment to North Korean nuclear plants] ABB News Release, January 20, 2000 *Quotations and humor **[http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/news/bh/rumsfeld.shtml Broadcasting House's "Donald Rumsfeld Library of Quotations"] **[http://www.rightwingnews.com/quotes/rummyquotes.php More Donald Rumsfeld Quotes] **[http://www.poe-news.com/features.php?feat=31845 Rumsfeld Fighting Technique] - Rumsfeld's penchant for talking with his hands has made him the butt of jokes, including a series portraying him as a martial arts master. **[http://baboon.us/rumsfeld.html Rumsfeld Humor] *[http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Donald_Rumsfeld.php Rumsfeld's political donations] 1932 births Cold War people Chicagoans U.S. Secretaries of Defense Members of the U.S. House of Representatives German-Americans Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients ms:Donald Rumsfeld

Donald Rumsfeld



==Vandalism== Actually, I don't need to...I just restored it to how it was before. ---- It appears that the page has been vandalized. I have put up a little notice. ---- Some mention of the rumsfeld doctrine needs to be made, to refrence the page refering to it --maximusnukeage ---- I reverted the image to an earlier version. The white background just doesn't go along with the whitespace on the page. --User:Jiang, User talk:Jiang 06:25, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC) The Kissinger quote isn't in the cited source. Could somebody try to clarify it, or find a better source? ==Secretary of Defense== ---- "Having served under President Gerald Ford, ''he is both the youngest and oldest Secretary of Defense :What does this mean exactly? That he was the youngest when he started and that he's now the oldest? Am I the only one who had to re-read a few times to get it? Could this be made clearer..? User:MikeCapone 04:56, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC) ::I think it has been clarified now. --User:Lowellian 03:38, Mar 26, 2004 (UTC) ---- The following text has been moved here pending souring information. Who is "reportedly"? Thank you. :"In 1976, Rumsfeld was responsible for transferring George H. W. Bush from envoy to China into the position of Director of the CIA. This was reportedly an attempt to scuttle Bush's presidential ambitions, and led to a certain animosity between the two." User:Nobs 14:43, 23 May 2005 (UTC) ::''pending souring information'' (heh, Freudian slip?) ==Degree== In "(AB, 1954)", what does "AB" mean? -- User:Mpt 18:38, 2 May 2004 (UTC) :It means that he graduated from Princeton University in 1954 with a degree as a Bachelor of Arts. ---- ==Selected quotations?== It seems to me that "quotes" in a wikipedia article are supposed to be clever or witty things a person has said. Not these bizarre, damning, selected quotations with square brackets and so forth. They make the article look awkward and blatantly biased. user:J.J. I wouldn't hesitate to include infamous quotes if they were really important (Chamberlain's "Peace in our time", for example). While I suspect the quotes currently selected for Rumsfeld are part of a subtle hatchet job, he did say them and they are of interest. I guess the counter-balance is to find some more positive/brilliant quotes. --User:M4-10 18:51, 8 May 2004 (UTC) :No fan of Rumsfeld I, but I agree the quotes seem to be a (not so) subtle hatchet job rather than giving a good overall picture. I suspect there are quotes that could be better selected to be just as damning and more 'big picture'ish. Anyway, there are plenty of web pages of incriminating Rumsfeld quotes to link to.User:Gzuckier 15:35, 8 Jul 2004 (UTC) Excellent page, well done to all concerned. --User:Bodnotbod 13:54, May 9, 2004 (UTC) ==Abu Ghraib== ---- There's far too much detail about Abu Ghraib in here IMO. The stuff about what he knew, when, doesn't need to be here especially considering that it's all breaking news changing day by day anyway. Especially considering that there is almost no other info about his military campaigns. There wasn't even any mention that he ran the Iraq War at all until I just added it. User:Mdchachi|User talk:Mdchachi 15:55, 11 May 2004 (UTC) ::War crimes tend to be in that class of important things an encyclopedia should note. User:Orthogonal 05:22, 1 Jun 2004 (UTC) :::War crimes... Aww! Poor terrorists... User:Perl guy 19:58, Jun 17, 2004 (UTC) ::::Justice is a blind woman holding a scale. Two wrongs don't make a right. It's not a matter of "poor terrorists". The picture is much bigger than that. When ignoble emotions are allowed to take precedence over reason, one's actions become counter-productive. User:Kevin baas 17:05, 2004 Jul 8 (UTC) ::::: Nobody has at all shown in a convincing manner that any war crimes took place. All we have is bunch of C/O forcing the prisoners to do frat house type hazing. For this several investigations have been started/concluded and the people held responsible are being punished. It's silly to blame Rummy for actions of some immature soldiers. Rummy himself has said that he dissaproved of of what took place at Abu Ghraib User:Klonimus 03:37, 27 May 2005 (UTC) ---- ==Geneva convention== ''On June 17, 2004, Rumsfeld admitted during a news conference that he had personally ordered two prisoners to be concealled from the International Committee of the Red Cross, one at Camp Cropper, at the instigation of CIA chief George Tenet - in apparent violation of the Geneva Convention.'' Where is the evidence that this violated the Geneva Convention? Who was the prisoner and do we know if the Geneva Convention applied in his case, i.e., was he a legal combatant captured wearing the uniform of a signatory nation? Because if he wasn't, the Geneva Convention explicity states he would not be protected under the Geneva Convention. User:TimShell 08:45, 12 Sep 2004 (UTC) :Rumsfeld was widely criticized for the issue, that should be reported. Furthermore, the US Supreme Court ruled that the treatment of prisoners by the Bush administration violated US law. User:Get-back-world-respect 16:35, 5 Oct 2004 (UTC) :Tim, I think you are misinformed about what, according to the Geneva Conventions, constitutes a protected person: ''"Persons protected by the Convention are those who, at a given moment and in any manner whatsoever, find themselves, in case of a conflict or occupation, in the hands of a Party to the conflict or Occupying Power of which they are not nationals."'' -Part 1, Article 4, GCIV User:Kevin baas | User_talk:Kevin_baas 17:38, 2004 Oct 5 (UTC) ---- Perhaps the 'Articles' section should provide some sort of disclaimer or notification that some of the articles linked to are POV. -User:Fogger 22:10, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC) == Military Service == Is it just me, but there is no mention of his military service, considered for both John Kerry, and President Bush there are extensive sections, shouldn't there be even a basic mention of Rumsfeld's Service in the US Navy? User:PPGMD Mr Rumsfelds' Naval survice was "truncated". Therefore the original mention of "three Calander years of Navy service". It seems that he, Mr. Rumsfeld wast TAD on an U.S. Army Post. His personal actions toward a "femail U.S. Army person" was not appreciated. A complaint was made and Mr. Rumsfeld was then in "hac" for his personal actions to the young U.S.Army person. Should this complaint have gone to Courts Marshal, it was likely tolead to a conviction! So he used his influence and exited the Navy quietly through the side door. My source was a serving Army Person from that Army Base. I find no reason to believe that he lied or had anything to gain by such a disclosure. S// G.E. Anderson USMC Serial :1054898 FMF Korea 1950/51 :::Fine, if we are going to leave this unsubstantiated rumour on this Web site then I will comment upon it. Why isn't this comment signed? Who wrote this? Why don't you come out and state who you are? I will tell why you don't because you are lying. This is a flat out BS rumour and you are using Wikipedia to put it on the Internet. Step up and state who you are. Step and state what information that you have to back this up This is just simply misuse of the Wikipedia system to get a flat out bald-faced lie onto the Internet. Why hasn't any respectable newspapers know about this allegation. You are making an allegation without any support for the allegation that make your allegation BS and a lie. Until you provide some type of hard evidence then this is a lie. If it put into the article I will tear it immediately and if it is put back in then I will rip out the damn lie again.-----User:Keetoowah 02:02, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::: "You are making an allegation without any support for the allegation that make your allegation BS and a lie" *Cough* *cough* User:Rama 08:19, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ==Irrelevant flame war about Kerry, Gore, France== :::::Hey User:Rama Kerry is a loser and so is Gore.-----User:Keetoowah 14:08, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::::: Since you say "Kerry is a loser and so is Gore" without providing references, according to your initial statement, I assume you mean that they are great men, right ? But what does it have to do with the present topic ? User:Rama 14:14, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::::::Of course the fact that Kerry is a loser and Gore is a loser has nothing to do with the current topic--just like your previous *Cough* *Cough* comment has nothing to do with current topic. If your comment did have something to do with the current topic then please explain what the heck that is and also Heinz Kerry is shrill pig.----User:Keetoowah 14:35, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::::::: Saying that something which is not documented is false is a trivial logical fallacy. I am sorry not to have made my remark more explicit. I also should say that I find your insistance to compliment these Kerry people extremely odd, but since it would likely draw us further from the topic of the article, I won't ask you what you mean by that :) Somebody is a dirty pig to you too and cheers ! User:Rama 14:53, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::::::Keetoowah, you should probably stop assuming that anybody who tries to develop Wikipedia articles following the policy of WP:NPOV and adds content that is critical of the current US administration is necessarily a supporter of Kerry or Gore. Not everybody is interested in petty US political squabbling. User:David.Monniaux 14:22, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::::::::Well, exccccuuussee MEEEE! Not! Look if you don't like it you don't have to read it. Also, the original point of this discussion was a rumour placed on this particular Talk page about Rumsfeld. So if you have anything useful to add to that discussion let's hear. What information do you have??? Do you feel better that you lectured me? I haven't changed one bit, but I was just wondering if it gave you some kind of feeling of power??? Look if you have anything, I mean anything at all constructive to add to the discussion about the rumour that started this thread then let's hear it.-----User:Keetoowah 14:35, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :::::::::Wait a minute. I looked at your background and I see that you are French. I'm so sorry for you. What's it like living in a former world power that is nothing but an impotent, second-rate country with an inferiority complex??? Wait don't tell me, from your comment I already know. It tees you off that no one and I mean no one pays any damn attention to you any more, so much so that you have to buy Saddam's oil off of the black market and invade third world countries like the Ivory Coast and then lecture Americans. But Americans don't care!!!! We just laugh at you and ignore you. Have A Frog Day!!!------User:Keetoowah 15:26, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) Mmmh. Perhaps you don't care, but you've just violated Wikipedia:No personal attacks. Remember that repeat violations will get you blocked, or banned altogether. ::I did NOT attack you personally. I did NOT violate any policy. That is a figment of your imagination. I attacked the country of France. Now, back to the article. You keep telling me to focus on the article but neither you, User:David.Monniaux or User:Rama have explained why the rumour, which is the subject of this tread, should be on the Rumsfeld Wikipedia page. As far as I can tell I have asked both of you for your input on that topic at least two times each and I haven't got a respond to that topic yet. I have received is a lecture from User:David.Monniaux explaining his personal opinion that I should not refer to "Kerry is a Loser" and from User:Rama about logical fallacy of my argument. But I haven't heard one comment from either one of you on the actual topic of discussion, the substance of the matter, which is the rumour listed above about Rumsfeld. Remember you really shouldn't lecture someone about sticking to the facts at hand unless you yourself actually comment on the facts at hand, which you haven't done yet. I will repeat. Unless there is some evidence provided for the Rumsfeld rumour then it will NOT go into the article and if anyone puts it in the article then I will rip it out.-----User:Keetoowah 17:33, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) ::: I'm afraid that this kind of attitude is unlikely to make you more popular: your statement was very clearly a personal attack against User:David.Monniaux ("Wait a minute. I looked at your background and I see that you are French. I'm so sorry for you. (...)"). In any case, racist and xenophobic rants are not more allowed than personal attacks. User:David.Monniaux already suggested that you refrained from making heavy allusion to other political personalities in an obvious attempt to annoy hypothetical supporting users -- which was your only response after I pointed a serious weakness in your initial argumentation. As for it, the unconfirmed piece of information will be investigated by users which would be interested before it will go into the article or be forgotten. Because the community in its entirety wants it this way; not because somebody entitles himself defender of the article. User:Rama 17:58, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) As for the rest, I will not answer to personal attacks that try to bring in irrelevant factors to the issue at hand. User:David.Monniaux 15:56, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) I was about to make a similar remark, but David beat me to it. Perhaps we might want to focus on the discussion and let othe factors aside. User:Rama 16:04, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC) :: For some reason I doubt that he could have gone through without being dug up during this nomination process. And there are many errors with your little type up, among them being unsigned, which is a big red flag in Wikipedia. User:PPGMD 15:20, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)


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