
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 align=right cellpadding=2 style="width:250px; border-collapse: collapse; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; clear: right" |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Dobermann |- align=center |
Red Dobermann with
docking. |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Alternative names |- | {| align=center |- |Doberman Pinscher |} |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Country of origin |- align=center |Germany |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Common nicknames |- align=center |Dobie |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Classification and breed standards |- | {| align=center |Fédération Cynologique Internationale: ||Group 2 Section 1 #143 |[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:TqfgQ0Q7aKYJ:www.fci.be/uploaded_files/143GB2003_en.doc+site:www.fci.be+%22143+/14.+02.+1994%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Stds] |- |American Kennel Club: ||Working |[http://www.akc.org/breeds/doberman_pinscher/index.cfm Stds] |- |Australian National Kennel Council: ||Group 6 (Utility) |[http://www.ankc.aust.com/doberman.html Stds] |- |Canadian Kennel Club: ||Group 3 - Working Dogs |[http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/doberman/dobermanarticle1.htm Stds] |- |Kennel Club (UK): ||Working |[http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/discoverdogs/working/w848.htm Stds] |- |New Zealand Kennel Club: ||Utility |[http://www.nzkc.org.nz/br628.html Stds] |- |United Kennel Club: || Guardian Dogs |[http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/guardiandogs/doberman.std.shtml Stds] |- |} |} The Dobermann or Doberman Pinscher (also, more colloquially, Dobie) is a dog breed of domestic dog. Dobermanns are commonly used as guard dogs, watch dogs, or police dogs, and have a reputation as being a dog that is incredibly loyal to its familial duties and that is vicious if crossed. ==Appearance== A female Dobermann's shoulder height is about 24 inches (61 cm) and weight is about 75 to 80 pounds (34 to 36 kg), whereas the male stands about 26 or 27 inches (66 to 68 cm) at the shoulder and weighs around 90 pounds (41 kg). ===Color=== Most people picture a Dobermann's color as the typical black with brown markings. However, the existence of two different color genes in Dobermanns provides four different phenotypes in Dobermann color. The traditional color, produced when both genes are dominant, is commonly referred to as ''black'', while the most common variation, due to one gene's being recessive, produces what is called a ''red'' Dobermann, which is primarily reddish-brown with tan markings. The other gene's being recessive, while the first one remains dominant, produces the ''blue'' (grey) Dobermann, whereas the least likely combination of both color genes' being recessive produces ''fawn'', which is a light tan color, also sometimes called ''chocolate''. Recently, a fifth color of Dobermann, dubbed the ''white'' Dobermann, has been widely bred and marketed to the public. Dobermanns of this color possess a genetic mutation, which prevents its pigment proteins from being manufactured, regardless of the genotypes of either of the two color genes; that is, it is an albino. Though many potential Dobermann owners find the color beautiful, albino Dobermanns, like albinos of other species, face increased risk of cancer and other diseases and should avoid sun exposure as much as possible. The popularity of the white Dobermann has died down dramatically as the risks have become known, with many people even calling for an end to the breeding and marketing of the white Dobermann, because they perceive it as cruelty to the animal. Some countries have made the purposeful breeding of the white Dobermann illegal, though, as happens with human beings, random genetic mutation still leads to Dobermann albinism on a completely arbitrary, but very rare, basis. ===Tails=== What may come as a surprise to people who are used to seeing Dobermann tails that are just a couple of inches long, is that the Dobermann is actually born with a tail that is longer than that of most breeds of dog. Typically, a Doberman Pinscher undergoes docking, a procedure in which the majority of its tail is cut off within days after its birth. The rationale for this is that it is the "look" that the dog is supposed to have, since it was the way Louis Dobermann originally envisioned the dog. It also gives the dog an appearance of ferocity and toughness. Aside from these more vain reasons of putting the animals through a procedure that many view as inhumane, one practical reason for docking the tail is that it removes what would be a convenient "handle" for a criminal or attacker to grab when the Dobermann is performing its guard or police work. Another reason is that dogs with the type of tails that the Dobermann has (long with little hair or flesh over the tail bones) have a very high occurrence of 'broken tail'. Broken tail may range from the actual tail bones being broken to the more common skin injuries that are very difficult to heal because of the difficulty of bandaging or protecting the tail. Broken tail is often a self inflicted injury caused by the Dobermann enthusiastically wagging its long tail, regardless of the objects it is hitting with it. Regardless of people's beliefs on this matter, few Dobermann purchasers have a choice on the length of their Dobermann's tail; docking must be done soon after the dog's birth, which means that the breeder nearly always makes the decision, before their dogs are even put on the market. ===Ears=== This is not true, however, of Dobermann docking, which should be done between 7 and 9 weeks, though it can done up to six months or a year after the Dobermann's birth, and is therefore usually left up to the discretion of the dog owner. Cropping done after 12 weeks has a high rate of failure in getting the ears to stand. In larger and larger numbers, Dobermann owners are opting not to have their pet's ears cropped, in a procedure that is believed to be extremely painful for the animal. The process involves cutting off part of the animal's ears and then propping them up with posts or cups and tape bandages, which allows the cartilage to develop into an upright position as the puppy grows. The puppy will still have the ability to lay the ears back or down. The process can take a few weeks or may take months. Because taping too tightly can cause blood flow problems, taping must be done by a veterinarian or experienced breeder. While there have been no studies that involved looking at cropped vs non-cropped dobermans, it is believed that cropping dramatically reduces the occurrence of ear infections and hematomas (blood blisters caused by damage to the ear tips commonly from hard shaking of the head). Although the acts of ear cropping and tail shortening seem inhumane to some, the traditional Dobermann has always been the one that has had both procedures. In some countries, docking and cropping are now illegal, but in some dog show, particularly in the United States, Dobermanns are allowed to compete only if they have the traditional look. == Temperament == Because of the Dobermann's typical use as a guard dog, and its often stereotyped role as such in movies, many people are afraid of Dobermanns. However, Dobermanns are in general a loving and intelligent breed that rarely attacks people except when it feels that it, its property, or its family are in danger. ==Health== An average, healthy Dobermann is expected to live around 12 years, with a majority of Dobermanns dying between age 11 and 13. Common health problems are Dialated Cardiomyopathy, von Willebrand's Disease (a bleeding disorder that can be tested for genetically), hypothyroidism, cancer and in the blues and fawns, alopecia. ==History== Dobermanns were first bred in Germany around 1890 by Louis Dobermann. He was a tax collector who needed a protection dog to guard him, so he set out to breed a new type of dog that, in his opinion, would be the perfect combination of strength, loyalty, intelligence, and fierceness. Later, Otto Goeller and Philip Gruening continued to develop the breed. The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds of dogs that had the characteristics that Dobermann was looking for, including the Pinscher, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Shepherd Dog, the black Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, and the German Shepherd Dog. The exact ratios of mixing, and even the exact breeds that were used, remains uncertain to this day, although many experts believe that the Dobermann is a combination of at least four of these breeds. The single exception is the documented cross with the Greyhound. It is also widely believed that the German Shepherd gene pool was the single largest contributor to the Dobermann breed. ==Famous "Dobies"== *Blitz from Road Rovers Dog breeds
==Why this page is named Dobermann, not Doberman or Doberman Pinscher== I've moved the page to Dobermann because the breed is known by this name by the kennel clubs of Australia, New Zealand, the UK and by the international association (the FCI). The American and Canadian kennel clubs use "Doberman Pinscher", so I think we should go with the majority. I hope this is OK with everyone -- User:Sannse 08:37 Apr 5, 2003 (UTC) ==Other topics== I can't really get a good image layout here because there is so little text for an article with a table and two other images. What we really need is more text for balance - any volunteers? ;) In particular we need information on cropped ears - we have two images but no explanation. This is ''not'' a subject I am likely to give a NPOV on, but I'll put it on my to-do-list anyway. If someone with more knowledge and some neutral views on the subject can get there before me that would be great -- User:Sannse 21:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC) ---- I've moved this from the article... it doesn't really add much infomation. A diagram showing which part of the ear is cropped would be more useful IMO. User:Fabiform | User talk:Fabiform 21:43, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC) ---- I'm not quite understanding the genetic description of how the colorations work. So let me explain from the beginning what I'm not getting: In a simple situation, the dog inherits one gene from its mother and one from its father, so it *always* has two genes. The form of each gene can be dominant or recessive; e.g., let's say that green is the dominant color for frogs and red is the recessive color. If the frog has GG, GR, or RG, then it is green; if it has RR, it is red. But in this case we're talking about the dog having 4 color variants, which you can't have in this situation--even if the combination of an R and G somehow makes a chartreuse frog rather than green, there are only 3 color combinations possible-- green (GG), chartreuse (RG or GR), or red (RR). :Right. I think what you're saying is that there are 2 separate *sets* of genes that control the color. :Yes, that's what I meant to say. I guess the proper term would be two genotypes, which I'm not sure that I used in the article. I was trying to avoid "genotype" and "phenotype", as they seemed a little too technical; but you're right. The Dobermann has TWO color genotypes, one (let's say D & d) that determines if the coat stays black or blue, let's call it "color": (DD, Dd, dD are all black or blue, and dd is either red or fawn). And the other (G & g) determines something else, let's call it "hue". So, Gg, GG, gG are all either black or red, and gg is either blue or fawn. Combining these two genotypes, we'd get: *DDGG: Black *DDGg: Black *DDgG: Black *DDgg: Blue *DdGG: Black *DdGg: Black *DdgG: Black *Ddgg: Blue *dDGG: Black *dDGg: Black *dDgG: Black *dDgg: Blue *ddGG: Red *ddGg: Red *ddgG: Red *ddgg: Fawn :(BTW, the way I call them "color" and "hue", there are official names for both these genotypes--I don't think either of those are correct, as I just made them up for this example. I've got a book somewhere that gives the specific genotype names; I'll look it up if you think it'll make the article easier for the reader to understand. Or, do you think all this is getting too technical for an article about a dog species?) :Above, you can see that 9/16 alleles (is that the right term?) produce the most common, Black Doberman. Blue and Red are each produced by 3/16 of the alleles. And the last 1/16, the rarest, makes Fawn. The genes aren't all evenly dispersed though: The "d" recessive gene is far more common than the "g" recessive, which explains why Red Dobermans are so much more prevalent than Blue ones. The Blue and Fawn Doberman is born far less frequently than 3/16 and 1/16 of the time, respectively, due to the rarity of the "g". However (I'm not 100% sure), I think the distribution between "D" and "d" is roughly 50/50, because the Red Doberman does seem to occur about 25% of the Black. For example, my dog was one of 13. 3 of them were red. Neither parent was. Again, if you think we should include this, I'll have to do some more researching. In other words, there's one gene pair that's GG, GR, RG, or RR; there's another pair that can be, say, either A or B, where A is dominant, so there can also be an AA, AB, BA, and BB. So I *think* what you're saying is that if the first gene pair contains G (GG, RG, GR), then it is what you're calling "dominant", and if the second gene pair has A anywhere (AA,AB,BA) then it is "dominant", and then the RR and BB versions are "recessive". :Yes, that's how I was using the two terms. Something's only considered to be a recessive phenotype (physical manifestation of the genes) if both the genes in the genotype are recessive (i.e., "carriers" [AB, BA, RG, GR] are generally not considered to have the recessive gene, even though they carry it). Maybe we should use the terms "homozygous" and "heterozygous" instead? Again--how technical do you think we should make this? I mean, as long as we link it to pages on genetics, I think it should be OK to use technical terms when discussing genetic variations, no? This does give me four color possibilities. Is this right? If so, I'm glad to try rephrasing things so that it's clearer because it took me a while to figure this out. User:Elf | User talk:Elf 20:28, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC) :Yup, be my guest. It took me a long time to figure out how to phrase it all so that it didn't sound confusing. But, even after writing it, I felt it was likely going to be hard to understand, especially for people who know nothing about Dobermans and/or genetics. I figured I should just put it down there and that someone would eventually come along and make it less confusing. BTW, in case you found the part on albinism confusing...ANY of the 16 combinations above can lead to an albino Doberman, since the recessive homozygous albinism gene inhibits the pigment proteins from being created in the first place, no matter what color the pigment is (just like in humans--there are white albinos, black albinos, Asian albinos, etc, and they all look "whiter" than any of them would otherwise look).User:64.12.117.16 03:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::OK, thanks for clarifying. I'll try to take a look at rephrasing. I agree that we won't really want detailed/technical discussion about genetics here, but a summary of why there are 4 colors genetically is (IMHO) kind of interesting. User:Elf | User talk:Elf 22:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 align=right cellpadding=2 style="width:250px; border-collapse: collapse; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em; clear: right" |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Dobermann |- align=center |
Red Dobermann with
docking. |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Alternative names |- | {| align=center |- |Doberman Pinscher |} |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Country of origin |- align=center |Germany |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Common nicknames |- align=center |Dobie |- align=center bgcolor=pink !Classification and breed standards |- | {| align=center |Fédération Cynologique Internationale: ||Group 2 Section 1 #143 |[http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:TqfgQ0Q7aKYJ:www.fci.be/uploaded_files/143GB2003_en.doc+site:www.fci.be+%22143+/14.+02.+1994%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 Stds] |- |American Kennel Club: ||Working |[http://www.akc.org/breeds/doberman_pinscher/index.cfm Stds] |- |Australian National Kennel Council: ||Group 6 (Utility) |[http://www.ankc.aust.com/doberman.html Stds] |- |Canadian Kennel Club: ||Group 3 - Working Dogs |[http://www.canadasguidetodogs.com/doberman/dobermanarticle1.htm Stds] |- |Kennel Club (UK): ||Working |[http://www.the-kennel-club.org.uk/discoverdogs/working/w848.htm Stds] |- |New Zealand Kennel Club: ||Utility |[http://www.nzkc.org.nz/br628.html Stds] |- |United Kennel Club: || Guardian Dogs |[http://www.ukcdogs.com/breeds/guardiandogs/doberman.std.shtml Stds] |- |} |} The Dobermann or Doberman Pinscher (also, more colloquially, Dobie) is a dog breed of domestic dog. Dobermanns are commonly used as guard dogs, watch dogs, or police dogs, and have a reputation as being a dog that is incredibly loyal to its familial duties and that is vicious if crossed. ==Appearance== A female Dobermann's shoulder height is about 24 inches (61 cm) and weight is about 75 to 80 pounds (34 to 36 kg), whereas the male stands about 26 or 27 inches (66 to 68 cm) at the shoulder and weighs around 90 pounds (41 kg). ===Color=== Most people picture a Dobermann's color as the typical black with brown markings. However, the existence of two different color genes in Dobermanns provides four different phenotypes in Dobermann color. The traditional color, produced when both genes are dominant, is commonly referred to as ''black'', while the most common variation, due to one gene's being recessive, produces what is called a ''red'' Dobermann, which is primarily reddish-brown with tan markings. The other gene's being recessive, while the first one remains dominant, produces the ''blue'' (grey) Dobermann, whereas the least likely combination of both color genes' being recessive produces ''fawn'', which is a light tan color, also sometimes called ''chocolate''. Recently, a fifth color of Dobermann, dubbed the ''white'' Dobermann, has been widely bred and marketed to the public. Dobermanns of this color possess a genetic mutation, which prevents its pigment proteins from being manufactured, regardless of the genotypes of either of the two color genes; that is, it is an albino. Though many potential Dobermann owners find the color beautiful, albino Dobermanns, like albinos of other species, face increased risk of cancer and other diseases and should avoid sun exposure as much as possible. The popularity of the white Dobermann has died down dramatically as the risks have become known, with many people even calling for an end to the breeding and marketing of the white Dobermann, because they perceive it as cruelty to the animal. Some countries have made the purposeful breeding of the white Dobermann illegal, though, as happens with human beings, random genetic mutation still leads to Dobermann albinism on a completely arbitrary, but very rare, basis. ===Tails=== What may come as a surprise to people who are used to seeing Dobermann tails that are just a couple of inches long, is that the Dobermann is actually born with a tail that is longer than that of most breeds of dog. Typically, a Doberman Pinscher undergoes docking, a procedure in which the majority of its tail is cut off within days after its birth. The rationale for this is that it is the "look" that the dog is supposed to have, since it was the way Louis Dobermann originally envisioned the dog. It also gives the dog an appearance of ferocity and toughness. Aside from these more vain reasons of putting the animals through a procedure that many view as inhumane, one practical reason for docking the tail is that it removes what would be a convenient "handle" for a criminal or attacker to grab when the Dobermann is performing its guard or police work. Another reason is that dogs with the type of tails that the Dobermann has (long with little hair or flesh over the tail bones) have a very high occurrence of 'broken tail'. Broken tail may range from the actual tail bones being broken to the more common skin injuries that are very difficult to heal because of the difficulty of bandaging or protecting the tail. Broken tail is often a self inflicted injury caused by the Dobermann enthusiastically wagging its long tail, regardless of the objects it is hitting with it. Regardless of people's beliefs on this matter, few Dobermann purchasers have a choice on the length of their Dobermann's tail; docking must be done soon after the dog's birth, which means that the breeder nearly always makes the decision, before their dogs are even put on the market. ===Ears=== This is not true, however, of Dobermann docking, which should be done between 7 and 9 weeks, though it can done up to six months or a year after the Dobermann's birth, and is therefore usually left up to the discretion of the dog owner. Cropping done after 12 weeks has a high rate of failure in getting the ears to stand. In larger and larger numbers, Dobermann owners are opting not to have their pet's ears cropped, in a procedure that is believed to be extremely painful for the animal. The process involves cutting off part of the animal's ears and then propping them up with posts or cups and tape bandages, which allows the cartilage to develop into an upright position as the puppy grows. The puppy will still have the ability to lay the ears back or down. The process can take a few weeks or may take months. Because taping too tightly can cause blood flow problems, taping must be done by a veterinarian or experienced breeder. While there have been no studies that involved looking at cropped vs non-cropped dobermans, it is believed that cropping dramatically reduces the occurrence of ear infections and hematomas (blood blisters caused by damage to the ear tips commonly from hard shaking of the head). Although the acts of ear cropping and tail shortening seem inhumane to some, the traditional Dobermann has always been the one that has had both procedures. In some countries, docking and cropping are now illegal, but in some dog show, particularly in the United States, Dobermanns are allowed to compete only if they have the traditional look. == Temperament == Because of the Dobermann's typical use as a guard dog, and its often stereotyped role as such in movies, many people are afraid of Dobermanns. However, Dobermanns are in general a loving and intelligent breed that rarely attacks people except when it feels that it, its property, or its family are in danger. ==Health== An average, healthy Dobermann is expected to live around 12 years, with a majority of Dobermanns dying between age 11 and 13. Common health problems are Dialated Cardiomyopathy, von Willebrand's Disease (a bleeding disorder that can be tested for genetically), hypothyroidism, cancer and in the blues and fawns, alopecia. ==History== Dobermanns were first bred in Germany around 1890 by Louis Dobermann. He was a tax collector who needed a protection dog to guard him, so he set out to breed a new type of dog that, in his opinion, would be the perfect combination of strength, loyalty, intelligence, and fierceness. Later, Otto Goeller and Philip Gruening continued to develop the breed. The breed is believed to have been created from several different breeds of dogs that had the characteristics that Dobermann was looking for, including the Pinscher, the Rottweiler, the Thuringian Shepherd Dog, the black Greyhound, the Great Dane, the Weimaraner, the German Shorthaired Pointer, and the German Shepherd Dog. The exact ratios of mixing, and even the exact breeds that were used, remains uncertain to this day, although many experts believe that the Dobermann is a combination of at least four of these breeds. The single exception is the documented cross with the Greyhound. It is also widely believed that the German Shepherd gene pool was the single largest contributor to the Dobermann breed. ==Famous "Dobies"== *Blitz from Road Rovers Dog breeds
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==Why this page is named Dobermann, not Doberman or Doberman Pinscher== I've moved the page to Dobermann because the breed is known by this name by the kennel clubs of Australia, New Zealand, the UK and by the international association (the FCI). The American and Canadian kennel clubs use "Doberman Pinscher", so I think we should go with the majority. I hope this is OK with everyone -- User:Sannse 08:37 Apr 5, 2003 (UTC) ==Other topics== I can't really get a good image layout here because there is so little text for an article with a table and two other images. What we really need is more text for balance - any volunteers? ;) In particular we need information on cropped ears - we have two images but no explanation. This is ''not'' a subject I am likely to give a NPOV on, but I'll put it on my to-do-list anyway. If someone with more knowledge and some neutral views on the subject can get there before me that would be great -- User:Sannse 21:41, 20 Aug 2003 (UTC) ---- I've moved this from the article... it doesn't really add much infomation. A diagram showing which part of the ear is cropped would be more useful IMO. User:Fabiform | User talk:Fabiform 21:43, 19 Mar 2004 (UTC) ---- I'm not quite understanding the genetic description of how the colorations work. So let me explain from the beginning what I'm not getting: In a simple situation, the dog inherits one gene from its mother and one from its father, so it *always* has two genes. The form of each gene can be dominant or recessive; e.g., let's say that green is the dominant color for frogs and red is the recessive color. If the frog has GG, GR, or RG, then it is green; if it has RR, it is red. But in this case we're talking about the dog having 4 color variants, which you can't have in this situation--even if the combination of an R and G somehow makes a chartreuse frog rather than green, there are only 3 color combinations possible-- green (GG), chartreuse (RG or GR), or red (RR). :Right. I think what you're saying is that there are 2 separate *sets* of genes that control the color. :Yes, that's what I meant to say. I guess the proper term would be two genotypes, which I'm not sure that I used in the article. I was trying to avoid "genotype" and "phenotype", as they seemed a little too technical; but you're right. The Dobermann has TWO color genotypes, one (let's say D & d) that determines if the coat stays black or blue, let's call it "color": (DD, Dd, dD are all black or blue, and dd is either red or fawn). And the other (G & g) determines something else, let's call it "hue". So, Gg, GG, gG are all either black or red, and gg is either blue or fawn. Combining these two genotypes, we'd get: *DDGG: Black *DDGg: Black *DDgG: Black *DDgg: Blue *DdGG: Black *DdGg: Black *DdgG: Black *Ddgg: Blue *dDGG: Black *dDGg: Black *dDgG: Black *dDgg: Blue *ddGG: Red *ddGg: Red *ddgG: Red *ddgg: Fawn :(BTW, the way I call them "color" and "hue", there are official names for both these genotypes--I don't think either of those are correct, as I just made them up for this example. I've got a book somewhere that gives the specific genotype names; I'll look it up if you think it'll make the article easier for the reader to understand. Or, do you think all this is getting too technical for an article about a dog species?) :Above, you can see that 9/16 alleles (is that the right term?) produce the most common, Black Doberman. Blue and Red are each produced by 3/16 of the alleles. And the last 1/16, the rarest, makes Fawn. The genes aren't all evenly dispersed though: The "d" recessive gene is far more common than the "g" recessive, which explains why Red Dobermans are so much more prevalent than Blue ones. The Blue and Fawn Doberman is born far less frequently than 3/16 and 1/16 of the time, respectively, due to the rarity of the "g". However (I'm not 100% sure), I think the distribution between "D" and "d" is roughly 50/50, because the Red Doberman does seem to occur about 25% of the Black. For example, my dog was one of 13. 3 of them were red. Neither parent was. Again, if you think we should include this, I'll have to do some more researching. In other words, there's one gene pair that's GG, GR, RG, or RR; there's another pair that can be, say, either A or B, where A is dominant, so there can also be an AA, AB, BA, and BB. So I *think* what you're saying is that if the first gene pair contains G (GG, RG, GR), then it is what you're calling "dominant", and if the second gene pair has A anywhere (AA,AB,BA) then it is "dominant", and then the RR and BB versions are "recessive". :Yes, that's how I was using the two terms. Something's only considered to be a recessive phenotype (physical manifestation of the genes) if both the genes in the genotype are recessive (i.e., "carriers" [AB, BA, RG, GR] are generally not considered to have the recessive gene, even though they carry it). Maybe we should use the terms "homozygous" and "heterozygous" instead? Again--how technical do you think we should make this? I mean, as long as we link it to pages on genetics, I think it should be OK to use technical terms when discussing genetic variations, no? This does give me four color possibilities. Is this right? If so, I'm glad to try rephrasing things so that it's clearer because it took me a while to figure this out. User:Elf | User talk:Elf 20:28, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC) :Yup, be my guest. It took me a long time to figure out how to phrase it all so that it didn't sound confusing. But, even after writing it, I felt it was likely going to be hard to understand, especially for people who know nothing about Dobermans and/or genetics. I figured I should just put it down there and that someone would eventually come along and make it less confusing. BTW, in case you found the part on albinism confusing...ANY of the 16 combinations above can lead to an albino Doberman, since the recessive homozygous albinism gene inhibits the pigment proteins from being created in the first place, no matter what color the pigment is (just like in humans--there are white albinos, black albinos, Asian albinos, etc, and they all look "whiter" than any of them would otherwise look).User:64.12.117.16 03:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::OK, thanks for clarifying. I'll try to take a look at rephrasing. I agree that we won't really want detailed/technical discussion about genetics here, but a summary of why there are 4 colors genetically is (IMHO) kind of interesting. User:Elf | User talk:Elf 22:03, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)
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