==Copyright concerns reversion== I reverted the article to a previous version before User:ThC's complete rework. It's apparent that he copied everything (image included) from [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg16-e.htm], which is copyrighted content. --User:Werbwerb 07:40, May 15, 2004 (UTC) ==Mark VII status== An anonymous user noted that the Mark VII was discontinued; the Magnum Research website still lists the Mark VII in 6 and 10 inch barrels. I'm going to dig a bit more into that and see if I can verify it's status; it could be out of production but still in stock (it's not like $1k hand cannons sell all that fast--well, except for the .45-70 T/C). User:Fluzwup 01:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) == desert eagle is a single shot pistol(semi automatic pistol but single shot pistol!) == desert eagle's slide must be pulled and released every shot. Because it is semiautomatic pistol, it has a slide! :Um, no, that's only true if you're firing very underpowered ammunition that produces insufficient gas port pressure to operate the slide automatically, or if the gas system is screwed up. The DE is gas operated, there's a gas tap just in front of the chamber that pipes gas pressure down the underside of the barrel (hence the distinct triangular barrel profile) to push the piston on the front of the slide back. It is single action, which means that the hammer must be cocked to fire the pistol, but the operation of the slide cocks the hammer as it ejects the fired round. Check out the patent: :http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='magnum+research'&OS=%22magnum+research%22&RS=%22magnum+research%22 :User:Fluzwup 19:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC) == Thank you for letting me know about the desert eagle == I was always thinking that desert eagle's slide must be manually cocked for each shot! I think I was misunderstanding. :It is a pretty neat system. I have fired Desert Eagles in .357, .41 and .44 Mag, and considered getting a DE in .44 Mag at one point. The $1000 price, twice that of a good .44 Mag revolver, put me off; I ended up with a Super Redhawk, which is also a lot more comfortable to shoot, especially when scoped (the SR balances much better, as it places the scope back over the cylinder rather than out on the barrel). If you take a look at the patent images, it shows an early design for the gas action system. The patent drawings show a system much like the M-14 rifle, with a captive pistol that operates the slide, and a gas tap about halfway down the barrel. The production models (all the way back to the early aluminum framed MK I) use a system more like the Mini-14, with the piston fixed to the slide, and the gas port leading to the cylinder. This system is self cleaning and requires fewer moving parts. The production models also use a 2 part barrel, with the gas tap right in front of the chamber, and the gas tube being an integral part of the barrel. The patent for the new gas tube system (still used in the MK XIX) is 4,619,184, and you can find drawings by searching on that patent at www.uspto.gov. In fact, there's a really good drawing there of the MK I, I may grab a clip of that for the article. User:Fluzwup 14:19, 2 May 2005 (UTC) == I wonder if the desert eagle 50AE is stronger or Ruger Super Redhawk 44Mag. == I recently heard that desert eagle has ammunition that is powerful as the revolver ammunition. I wonder which of the two pistols is powerful. :The .50 AE is more powerful than the .44 Mag at close range, but at long range the fat .50 caliber bullet loses much more energy in drag than the .44, which can be loaded with heavy, high sectional density bullets. The .50's big disadvantage is the lack of bullets; there are only a few available that will fit the .50 AE case (without being too long), and only in the 325 grain weight. That's same sectional density as the 240 grain .44, and that's far from the heaviest the .44 will handle. As to which gun is stronger, I'd give the nod to the Ruger. It's availble in .454 Casull, which out powers even the .50 AE, and the Ruger does it in a 6 shot model, unlike Freedom Arms and Taurus which only hold 5 (even the .480 Ruger SR holds 6). The new S&W .500 Magnum might be even more potent, but the frame on that revolver is much larger. The Ruger has an inherent advantage over the S&W design--a one piece frame, vs. the S&W's two piece frame. S&W had to add a 4th screw to the sideplate to hold it on in the new X-Frame. Of course, you can trump them all with a T/C Contender in .45-70 Gov't. User:Fluzwup 23:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC) == when you hunt moose, is 44magnum better or 357magnum better? == I wonder which is more suitable for hunting moose. Maybe 9mm Parabellum might be suitable too. :Nothing less than a .44 Mag, and use solid, non deforming bullets of a high weight, 300 grains or more, with a flat nose and a sharp shoulder. Generally cast bullets are used (which cannot be used in the DE, as they'll foul the gas system) made from a very hard alloy. The heavy bullet gives you the momentum to penetrate, the hard bullet will ensure you can punch through muscle and bone without deforming, and the broad, sharp-edge flat nose will generate a good permanant wound cavity to allow quick hemmoraging. With moose, you want to be able to penetrate deeply to ensure a lethal wound--central nervous system or circulatory system; a shallow wound won't do anything but get you a pissed off moose. Check out http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp and look at the .44 Mag +P. Too hot for the DE, but it'll work just fine in the Super Redhawk. User:Fluzwup 12:25, 10 May 2005 (UTC) == The effective range == What is the effective range of .44magnum? :That's going to depend on the game. Since the .44 fires a relatively fat bullet, it's going to lose velocity faster than smaller diameter rifle bullet, due to the reduced sectional density and also the blunt nose (see external ballistics). If you need lots of energy for, say, bear, then 50 yards or less is best. For lighter game like deer, the limit is really the shooter; a good .44 Mag can hold 3" or less groups at 100 yards, but that's assuming a whole lot of the shooter. If firing from a rest, with a good scoped pistol, I'd say a 100 yard shot at a deer would be quite capable of producing a quick kill. Now finding someone who can hit the vital area of a deer at 100 yards under field conditions, even with an MOA capable pistol, is a different matter. :As for as absolute range, there was a case where some people were negligently target shooting (no backstop--and one was a convicted felon, and thus could not legally possess a firearm, to boot), and one of the shooters fired a shot at a very high angle over the target. The bullet travelled for nearly a mile before it came down, and it happened to hit a person in the chest, killing them instantly. By that time the bullet was travelling well below the speed of sound, so it was totally silent, but it still retained enough energy to penetrate the chest and hit an artery. The forensics people determined that it was likely a .44 Magnum, and they reconstructed scenario. Based on the angle and estimated velocity at time of impact, they went looking for the source of the shot. Near the center of the search area, outside of town, they found the remains of the targets, and arressted the shooter for negligence and the gun's owner for illegal possession of a firearm. The firearm in question was a .44 Magnum. Unfortunatley, I don't have the exact details, I saw this on a forensics TV show on TLC or Discovery a few years ago. User:Fluzwup 15:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC) == How much do the .44 Magnum, and .50AE cost? == I wonder if .44Magnum is more expensive or .50AE is more expensive. Also, I'm curious about whether 10mm Auto is more expensive or .44 Magnum is more expensive. :Gun Tests paid $1250 for their test gun in .44 Mag last year; I imagine the .50 AE commands a bit more than that, but probably not much. What you really pay for is ammo, .50 AE is going to cost a lot more than .44 Mag. There is no 10mm Desert Eagle, the closest they ever made to that was the .41 Magnum (which is 10.25mm, and quite a bit more powerful than 10mm Auto). User:Fluzwup 12:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC) :$1249 is MSRP for the .44 and the .50 AE MK XIX in the standard 6" barrel, black finish; the .44 can be had for $1049 in the MK VII frame, but that won't accept the .50 AE barrels. AuctionArms.com has MK XIXs going used for around $700, with the .50 AE running a bit more. IMI also sells a California legal version, the DE44CA or DE50CA. It has a firing pin block, which is a passive safety feature required by California law (of course, California law also defines a gun that doesn't have the make, model and serial number microengraved on it so that it will stamp the brass upon firing "unsafe" (California assembly bill AB 352, effective 2007) so I wouldn't put much stock in their definition of "safe". User:Fluzwup 14:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC) == .44 Magnum JSP better for self defence or FMJ better for self defence? == For defensive purposes, the .44 Magnum is generally considered too big and too powerful--the recoil is harsh out of all but the heaviest guns, the muzzle blast is deafening in urban areas and blinding in low light conditions. You can't even fire reduced loads, such as the .44 Special, out of the DE because the reduced power loads won't generate enough gas pressure to cycle the action, turning it into a manual repeater. One practical defensive use of the .44 Mag would be defense against bears. In that case, you want all the pentration you can get. The most reccommended rounds for bear are hard cast lead semiwadcutter designs, which penetrate deeply and cut a good wound channel, but cast bullets should not be fired in the DE because they may foul the gas tube. A truncated cone FMJ would be the next best choice, the one with the widest, flattest front that will feed reliably in the pistol. User:Fluzwup 13:00, 26 May 2005 (UTC) == Is 10mm Auto loads more capable than .357 Magnum loads? == The 10mm Auto loads can develop 861 Joules with original loadings and 950 Joules with later loads. I think this ammunition is much more capable and better than .357 Magnum. For example, Glock 20 can hold 15 rounds when chambered in 10mm Auto. This is a full sized service type pistol. But DE can hold 9 rounds when chambered in .357 Magnum. Glock 20 is somehow better than DE. :More capable in what way? Better how? The .357 Mag is one of the most versitile hangun cartridges available, if fired in a revolver, where considerations of operating a semi-automatic don't apply. Bullet weights range from 85 to 260 grains, it can be loaded down to 700 fps or up to over 1500 fps, and generate 850 ft/lbs of energy (http://www.reloadammo.com/357loads.htm, plus some personal experience). The 10mm handles bullet weights from 135 to 205 grains, and maxes out at under 700 ft. lbs (http://www.reloadammo.com/10mloads.htm). The disadvantage of the .357 is that its long case and rim, which are ideal for revolvers, makes it a poor auto-pistol cartridge. The 10mm was designed from the start as a "magnum-like" auto pistol cartridge, and was in fact designed to fit in a .45 ACP capable frame. Is the Glock 20 "better" than the DE? For a defensive carry gun, yes, assuming you can handle the recoil of a heavy caliber in a light gun. For shooting deer 200 yards away, no. For comfortable plinking, I'm also going to lean to the DE. The .357 DE, especially if you can find an early Al framed model, is a joy to shoot, if you keep the ammo in the range of power that will cycle the action reliably (which also applies to the Glock; being polymer framed, they are more ammo sensitive that heavier framed guns). Glocks, on the other hand, fling brass too close to my head for comfort. And let me tell you from personal experience, a hot 10mm from a Glock 20 down the back of the shirt really throws off one's aim... User:Fluzwup 19:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC) == There are 10mm Norma loads that have muzzle energies over 700ft/lbs. .357 Magnum is not suitable for hunting a big game. == There are 10mm loads that have muzzle energies over 700ft/lbs. .357 Magnum is not suitable for hunting a big game. For example, it's inadequate for a hunter to shoot an elk, moose, or great bears with .357 Magnum. But some of the 10mm Norma loads are similar in performance to the .41 Magnum. "08/16/03 - 10mm fans will welcome the introduction of a new line of true full-power 10mm ammo. Mike McNett, a long-time poster in Glock Talk's "10 Ring" has started his own ammunition company; Double Tap Ammunition. Double Tap currently offers six different loadings including a 135gn JHP, 165gn GSHP, 180gn GSHP, 200gn FMJ, 200gn XTP/HP and a 220gn LFP. These loads produce muzzle energy in the 700-770ftlbs range from a 4.6" Glock 20! :10mm is also not suitable for big game--and .41 Mag is marginal. To hunt big game with a pistol caliber, you want the heaviest possible solid bullet, loaded with a large meplat SWC design, jacketed or cast. Energy is completely irrelevant, what you need is penetration; penetration is a function of velocity times sectional density. An arrow, for example, only moves at about 200-250 ft/s, but it will take down a bear, because its sectional density is very high and it will penetrate deep enough. 220 grains is the max weight you can put in a 10mm (and being cast, you'll void your Glock warranty by firing it). The .357 can fire up to a 180 grain bullet, and according to Hogdon's reloading data, will hit 1422 f/s (800 ft/lbs) with a higher sectional density than the the 220 grain .40 caliber. Now, I'd still not willingly go after a bear with that (I'd go .44 Mag with a nice 300 grain SWC) but you have a significantly better chance of hitting a vital area due to the greater penetration. You also didn't mention where the 10mm's energy peak was--in most auto pistol cartidges, it's with a medium weight bullet. Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Magnum revolver cartidges have vastly more space, and this lets you use heavy bullets and large charges of the slower, bulkier powders needed to give the nice, flat pressure peak that gives you the most power. :For medium game, the .357's big advantage is that there are bullets designed for hunting made in .357 diameter; all the bullets in .400 are designed for short penetration personal defense purposes or target practice (.41 Mag bullets are .410 diameter, and are dangerously oversized for the 10mm). The 180 grain Nosler Partition, for example, is of the same construction used in Nosler's high performance rifle bullets; the partition strictly limits expansion, minimizing the risk of fragmentation and ensuring a deep penetration. All the 10mm expanding bullets will be designed to maximize expansion, and so they will have limited penetration (12-18 inches, if the designers did their jobs right) and will be prone to fragment when pushed hard (since defensive 10mm loads are basically loaded to .40 S&W levels). :One last thing that kills the 10mm as a hunting cartridge--the lack of suitable hunting guns chambered for it. The Glock is not a hunting gun--it is entirely too light, and it cannot easily be scoped. A good steel revolver or a magnum auto like the DE are going to be much more stable, and they will easily mount scopes firmly to the barrel. While you can scope a Glock, the scope is attached to the frame, not to the slide or barrel, so accuracy will be iffy--good enough for IPSC, but in that you're shooting at a 6" x 11" A zone at ranges of under 25 yards. For hunting, you need much better accuracy than that--note that the Bullseye pistol shooters go with slide mounted optics whenever possible, as they are far more consistent than frame mounted ones--unless you can fit the slide to the frame, which you cannot do with a Glock, they don't sell frames with oversized rails for lapping in the slide. A revolver (or the DE) on the other hand mounts the scope directly to the barrel, so there's a rigid connection all the way. The best is a gun that has the bases milled into the barrel or frame, as that removes one part that might shift under recoil. User:Fluzwup 15:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) == About the heavy bullets and cartridge capacity..... == "You also didn't mention where the 10mm's energy peak was--in most auto pistol cartidges, it's with a medium weight bullet. Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Magnum revolver cartidges have vastly more space, and this lets you use heavy bullets and large charges of the slower, bulkier powders needed to give the nice, flat pressure peak that gives you the most power." These are the things that you have mentioned about the semi-automatic pistol cartridges, but I don't understand about the part which you mentioned that, Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Would you explain more specifically about this please? :First, a note on the history of revolver cartridges. For a revolver to "look" right, the cylinder is a lot longer than, say, a 9mm magazine. This is because revolvers date back to the black powder era, and a black powder cartridge would need that space; compare the traditional BP cartidges like .38-40, .44-40, .32-20, which held 40, 40, and 20 grains of powder respectively. A 9mm or smokeless .38 Special holds about 5 grains of powder. This means that even modern revolver cartridges have way too much case capacity for standard pressure smokeless loads, because they are designed to fit the cylinders, and the cylinders are long so that the proportions of the revolver are pleasing to the eye--about 1.5 to 2 inches long. :The essential thing you need to know to uderstand internal ballistics is that smokeless powder burn rates are proportional to the pressure. Increase the pressure, and the burn rate goes up, which increases the pressure faster, which increases the burn rate faster... This positive feedback makes smokless powder very sensitive to case capacity. With a small case capacity and a fast powder, the feedback is very fast, and the pressure peak is reached very early--just after the bullet starts to move. A fast powder is needed to make sure the bullet starts accelerating quickly, since there's not much barrel in a pistol to accelerate down. Pistols make up for the small capacity by using a very power-dense double based powder, with up to 50% nitroglycerine. These loads run right on the edge of safe; reduction of the case capacity by, say, pushing the bullet back even 1/8" can cause a dangerously high level of pressure. Fast powders also require medium or light bullet weights, as the heavy bullets accelerate too slowly and will also cause a severe pressure buildup. :Now to get magnum power out of a pistol case, you need to go with a slower burn rate powder. The slow, magnum pistol powers (which are also considered fast rifle powders) are far bulkier than double based powders--not quite as bulky as black powder, but getting there. These powders burn slower, which flattens the pressure curve, and which also allows a fatter curve. A fat curve with the same peak has a lot more area under it than a narrow curve, and that means more energy. The downside is a higher muzzle pressure, which is energy wasted in a huge muzzle blast--but that's the price you pay for magnum performance. The slower powders need more resistance so they can start the feedback loop and build up pressure--for this reason, magnum loads work better with heavier bullets. Heavier bullet, more resistance, higher pressures, more power--that's the key to a magnum load. Of course there is a limit; you've still only got a short barrel to work with, and a small case, so you can only go so far. But "only so far" is still quite a bit; loaded with a magnum pistol powder like 2400 or AA #9, the .38 Special or .44 Special become the .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum. :Now you can go with a fatter bottlnecked case to get more out of a short auto case; that's what the .30 Luger, .30 Mauser (7.62x25mm), .357 Sig, and .400 CorBon do. The disadvantages are reduced magazine capacity and thinner chambers in the barrel, plus there is a limit to how fat you can get a pistol cartridge and have it feed reliably. Auto pistols, which are almost all recoil operated, also have to work within a narrow range of recoil energies to cycle reliably. You can't make an auto that will shoot light, slow loads for target practice that will also handle magnum loadings with no changes; either the light loads won't cycle the action, or the heavy loads will batter the gun to death, and likely jam due to the extractor ripping through the rim. User:Fluzwup 17:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) Thank you for letting me know about this. Now, I understand what you mentioned in the previous comment. == Is Desert Eagle okay for a person who is not in the military or a law enforcement officer to purchase? == I wonder if Desert Eagle is just like FN Five Seven and Glock 18. :Depends on where you live. The DE is not effected by US Federal law any more than any other handgun (must be US resident (citizen or legal alien), over 21 yrs., no felony convictions or misdemeanors of domestic violence). The FN Five Seven is restricted in many areas due to capacity (holds >10 rounds) and was previously unavailable because the ammo was all armor piercing. Now that you can buy non-AP 5.7x28mm, it's legal for civillian sale. The Glock 18 is a post-86 machine gun, and thus can only be transferred to law enforcement and military, or as a class III dealer sample. :In some states, however, the DE is considered an "assault weapon" because it is too heavy. In an attempt to outlaw such SMG-looking pistols as the Tec-9 (now the DC-9) a maximum weight was put on semi-auto pistols, and the heavy steel DE is generally over that max weight. If you could find an alloy version, then you'd probably be OK, since those has aluminum alloy frames and weighted quite a bit less--48 vs. 58-62 oz.--but they were only in .357 Mag, .41 Mag, and .44 Mag; the .50 AE didn't come until much later--late Mark VII and all Mark XIX frames. The Blue Book I have lists the .50 AE at a whopping 72.4 oz., and as I recall, most of the weight limits were around 50 oz. I'm kind of fuzzy on these details; living in Oklahoma all I have to keep up with is Federal law, the state itself has no additional restrictions on possession of firearms. User:Fluzwup 14:25, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Then, is Desert Eagle .50AE prohibited everywhere in the United States? == No. First, the 1994 "semiautomatic assault weapon" ban had a list of features, any two of which made a firearm a "semiautomatic assault weapon". A handgun over the ~50 oz. weight was one characteristic, and the only one the DE had. Others were >10 shot magazine, magazine well outside the pistol grip, a barrel cover, a threaded barrel, plus a few others that don't generally apply to handguns. Second, the 1994 ban expired in 2004, so by US Federal law there is no such thing as a "semiautomatic assault weapon" any more. State and local laws may differ; in areas such as New York City, Washington, DC, and Chicago, to legally own a handgun you must have a permit that can be denied by the chief law enforcement officer for any reason, and in most of those places the mere desire to own a .50 caliber handgun would probably be sufficient reason for the CLEO to deny the permit. California recently banned .50 BMG rifles because they were seen as "too powerful" and a possible terrorist weapon (never mind that no crime has ever been committed with a .50 BMG rifle in the US, and the .50 caliber Federal limit was imposed in 1934, long after the 1918 development of the .50 BMG cartridge). It's also going to be effectively banned in MA as "unsafe" because it doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect, and integrated locking mechanism. User:Fluzwup 14:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
The Desert Eagle is a semi-automatic, gas operated pistol that is manufactured in Israel by IMI (Israeli Military Industries) for Magnum Research, Inc. Magnum Research, based in the United States, developed and patented the original Desert Eagle design, but the refining was done by IMI. The Desert Eagle is unusual in that most semiautomatic pistols use short recoil or blow-back mechanisms; the gas operated mechanism used by the Desert Eagle is more commonly found in rifles; the locking mechanism of the Desert Eagle bears a strong resemblance to that of the M-16 series of rifles. The advantage of the gas operation is that it allows the use of far more powerful cartridges than traditional semiautomatic pistol designs, and it allows the Desert Eagle to compete in an area that had previously been dominated by magnum revolvers. Three different versions of the Desert Eagle were manufactured: the Mark I, Mark VII, and Mark XIX. The Mark I is no longer produced, but had an aluminium frame that was available in .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. The Mark VII was built on a steel frame and was available in .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and .41 Magnum chamberings. The Mark VII is out of production, but the manufacturer still has 6 and 10 inch (152 and 254 mm) barrelled .44 Magnum Mark VIIs in stock (early 2005). The most recent, the Mark XIX, is available in .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, and .50 Action Express (or .50 AE). Magnum Research also showed some models in .440 Cor-Bon caliber, a .50 AE derived case, but no .440 Cor-Bon components are listed in their catalog. Switching a Desert Eagle to another chambering requires only that the correct barrel, bolt assembly, and magazine be installed. Thus, a conversion to shoot the other cartridges can be quickly accomplished in the field. The most popular barrel length is 6 in (152 mm), although 10 and 14 in (254 and 356 mm) barrels (which are rarely seen) have been available. The barrels are machined with integral scope mounting bases, making adding a pistol scope a very simple operation. It is fed with a detachable box magazine, just as with any other semi-auto pistol. Because it fires such large cartridges, magazine capacity is limited to a meager nine rounds in .357 Magnum, 8 rounds in .44 Magnum, and 7 rounds in .50 AE. Compare this to the full-sized service type pistol, the SIG-Sauer Sig_P226 (which is smaller and lighter), when chambered in 9 mm Luger it can have normal magazine capacities of up to sixteen rounds. The Desert Eagle is a sport pistol which has limited practical use other than giving enjoyment on the range, and as a capable hunting weapon. It is sometimes seen as a form of ludicrous overcompensation by accomplished pistol marksmen, as the .50 AE can be considered excessively powerful. The Desert Eagle is also a weapon of choice in many computer games, perhaps most well known in Counter-Strike and Urban Terror. The gun also appears in various films, often as the weapon of choice for the villains. In The Matrix, the Desert Eagle was the standard issue side arm for the Agent_(Matrix)s. In an entertaining scene in Snatch, a protagonist frightens off two bandits simply by referring to the power of his Desert Eagle (sitting on the table in front of him), compared to the much smaller replica (fake) guns his assailants are wielding. While IMI makes a cosmetically similar pistol, originally called the Jericho 941 and now marketed as the "Baby Eagle", the guns bear no functional eqivalence--the Jericho/Baby Eagle design is a standard high capacity, double action, short recoil design. The one functional similarity is in ammunition. The .41 Action Express (or .41 AE) developed for the Jericho 941 used a rebated rim, so that the pistol could switch between 9 mm Luger and .41 AE with just the change of a barrel. This is because the .41 AE was based on a shortened .41 Magnum case with the rim and extractor groove cut to the same dimensions of the 9 mm Luger. This allowed the same extractor and ejector to work with both cartridges. The .50 AE has a similar rebated rim, cut to the same dimensions as the .44 Magnum. This is what allows caliber changes between .44 Magnum and .50 AE with just the change of the barrel and magazine. Unfortunately, due to the requirements of the gas operated action, the Desert Eagle barrels are very expensive, selling for at least triple the price of a barrel for a short recoil design. This makes changing calibers an expensive option. ===California approved=== The Desert Eagle is available in a California approved model, indicated by a "CA" at the end of the model number. The California approved models have a passive firing pin safety. ==See also== *.50 caliber handguns *List of firearms *List of handgun cartridges ==External links== *[http://www.magnumresearch.com/ Magnum Research, Inc.] *[http://www.imi-israel.com/ Israeli Military Industries] Semi-automatic pistols Personal weapons Israeli Military Industries Modern weapons Weapons of Israel
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==Copyright concerns reversion== I reverted the article to a previous version before User:ThC's complete rework. It's apparent that he copied everything (image included) from [http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg16-e.htm], which is copyrighted content. --User:Werbwerb 07:40, May 15, 2004 (UTC) ==Mark VII status== An anonymous user noted that the Mark VII was discontinued; the Magnum Research website still lists the Mark VII in 6 and 10 inch barrels. I'm going to dig a bit more into that and see if I can verify it's status; it could be out of production but still in stock (it's not like $1k hand cannons sell all that fast--well, except for the .45-70 T/C). User:Fluzwup 01:39, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) == desert eagle is a single shot pistol(semi automatic pistol but single shot pistol!) == desert eagle's slide must be pulled and released every shot. Because it is semiautomatic pistol, it has a slide! :Um, no, that's only true if you're firing very underpowered ammunition that produces insufficient gas port pressure to operate the slide automatically, or if the gas system is screwed up. The DE is gas operated, there's a gas tap just in front of the chamber that pipes gas pressure down the underside of the barrel (hence the distinct triangular barrel profile) to push the piston on the front of the slide back. It is single action, which means that the hammer must be cocked to fire the pistol, but the operation of the slide cocks the hammer as it ejects the fired round. Check out the patent: :http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/search-bool.html&r=3&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=ptxt&s1='magnum+research'&OS=%22magnum+research%22&RS=%22magnum+research%22 :User:Fluzwup 19:39, 1 May 2005 (UTC) == Thank you for letting me know about the desert eagle == I was always thinking that desert eagle's slide must be manually cocked for each shot! I think I was misunderstanding. :It is a pretty neat system. I have fired Desert Eagles in .357, .41 and .44 Mag, and considered getting a DE in .44 Mag at one point. The $1000 price, twice that of a good .44 Mag revolver, put me off; I ended up with a Super Redhawk, which is also a lot more comfortable to shoot, especially when scoped (the SR balances much better, as it places the scope back over the cylinder rather than out on the barrel). If you take a look at the patent images, it shows an early design for the gas action system. The patent drawings show a system much like the M-14 rifle, with a captive pistol that operates the slide, and a gas tap about halfway down the barrel. The production models (all the way back to the early aluminum framed MK I) use a system more like the Mini-14, with the piston fixed to the slide, and the gas port leading to the cylinder. This system is self cleaning and requires fewer moving parts. The production models also use a 2 part barrel, with the gas tap right in front of the chamber, and the gas tube being an integral part of the barrel. The patent for the new gas tube system (still used in the MK XIX) is 4,619,184, and you can find drawings by searching on that patent at www.uspto.gov. In fact, there's a really good drawing there of the MK I, I may grab a clip of that for the article. User:Fluzwup 14:19, 2 May 2005 (UTC) == I wonder if the desert eagle 50AE is stronger or Ruger Super Redhawk 44Mag. == I recently heard that desert eagle has ammunition that is powerful as the revolver ammunition. I wonder which of the two pistols is powerful. :The .50 AE is more powerful than the .44 Mag at close range, but at long range the fat .50 caliber bullet loses much more energy in drag than the .44, which can be loaded with heavy, high sectional density bullets. The .50's big disadvantage is the lack of bullets; there are only a few available that will fit the .50 AE case (without being too long), and only in the 325 grain weight. That's same sectional density as the 240 grain .44, and that's far from the heaviest the .44 will handle. As to which gun is stronger, I'd give the nod to the Ruger. It's availble in .454 Casull, which out powers even the .50 AE, and the Ruger does it in a 6 shot model, unlike Freedom Arms and Taurus which only hold 5 (even the .480 Ruger SR holds 6). The new S&W .500 Magnum might be even more potent, but the frame on that revolver is much larger. The Ruger has an inherent advantage over the S&W design--a one piece frame, vs. the S&W's two piece frame. S&W had to add a 4th screw to the sideplate to hold it on in the new X-Frame. Of course, you can trump them all with a T/C Contender in .45-70 Gov't. User:Fluzwup 23:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC) == when you hunt moose, is 44magnum better or 357magnum better? == I wonder which is more suitable for hunting moose. Maybe 9mm Parabellum might be suitable too. :Nothing less than a .44 Mag, and use solid, non deforming bullets of a high weight, 300 grains or more, with a flat nose and a sharp shoulder. Generally cast bullets are used (which cannot be used in the DE, as they'll foul the gas system) made from a very hard alloy. The heavy bullet gives you the momentum to penetrate, the hard bullet will ensure you can punch through muscle and bone without deforming, and the broad, sharp-edge flat nose will generate a good permanant wound cavity to allow quick hemmoraging. With moose, you want to be able to penetrate deeply to ensure a lethal wound--central nervous system or circulatory system; a shallow wound won't do anything but get you a pissed off moose. Check out http://www.garrettcartridges.com/products.asp and look at the .44 Mag +P. Too hot for the DE, but it'll work just fine in the Super Redhawk. User:Fluzwup 12:25, 10 May 2005 (UTC) == The effective range == What is the effective range of .44magnum? :That's going to depend on the game. Since the .44 fires a relatively fat bullet, it's going to lose velocity faster than smaller diameter rifle bullet, due to the reduced sectional density and also the blunt nose (see external ballistics). If you need lots of energy for, say, bear, then 50 yards or less is best. For lighter game like deer, the limit is really the shooter; a good .44 Mag can hold 3" or less groups at 100 yards, but that's assuming a whole lot of the shooter. If firing from a rest, with a good scoped pistol, I'd say a 100 yard shot at a deer would be quite capable of producing a quick kill. Now finding someone who can hit the vital area of a deer at 100 yards under field conditions, even with an MOA capable pistol, is a different matter. :As for as absolute range, there was a case where some people were negligently target shooting (no backstop--and one was a convicted felon, and thus could not legally possess a firearm, to boot), and one of the shooters fired a shot at a very high angle over the target. The bullet travelled for nearly a mile before it came down, and it happened to hit a person in the chest, killing them instantly. By that time the bullet was travelling well below the speed of sound, so it was totally silent, but it still retained enough energy to penetrate the chest and hit an artery. The forensics people determined that it was likely a .44 Magnum, and they reconstructed scenario. Based on the angle and estimated velocity at time of impact, they went looking for the source of the shot. Near the center of the search area, outside of town, they found the remains of the targets, and arressted the shooter for negligence and the gun's owner for illegal possession of a firearm. The firearm in question was a .44 Magnum. Unfortunatley, I don't have the exact details, I saw this on a forensics TV show on TLC or Discovery a few years ago. User:Fluzwup 15:42, 10 May 2005 (UTC) == How much do the .44 Magnum, and .50AE cost? == I wonder if .44Magnum is more expensive or .50AE is more expensive. Also, I'm curious about whether 10mm Auto is more expensive or .44 Magnum is more expensive. :Gun Tests paid $1250 for their test gun in .44 Mag last year; I imagine the .50 AE commands a bit more than that, but probably not much. What you really pay for is ammo, .50 AE is going to cost a lot more than .44 Mag. There is no 10mm Desert Eagle, the closest they ever made to that was the .41 Magnum (which is 10.25mm, and quite a bit more powerful than 10mm Auto). User:Fluzwup 12:41, 24 May 2005 (UTC) :$1249 is MSRP for the .44 and the .50 AE MK XIX in the standard 6" barrel, black finish; the .44 can be had for $1049 in the MK VII frame, but that won't accept the .50 AE barrels. AuctionArms.com has MK XIXs going used for around $700, with the .50 AE running a bit more. IMI also sells a California legal version, the DE44CA or DE50CA. It has a firing pin block, which is a passive safety feature required by California law (of course, California law also defines a gun that doesn't have the make, model and serial number microengraved on it so that it will stamp the brass upon firing "unsafe" (California assembly bill AB 352, effective 2007) so I wouldn't put much stock in their definition of "safe". User:Fluzwup 14:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC) == .44 Magnum JSP better for self defence or FMJ better for self defence? == For defensive purposes, the .44 Magnum is generally considered too big and too powerful--the recoil is harsh out of all but the heaviest guns, the muzzle blast is deafening in urban areas and blinding in low light conditions. You can't even fire reduced loads, such as the .44 Special, out of the DE because the reduced power loads won't generate enough gas pressure to cycle the action, turning it into a manual repeater. One practical defensive use of the .44 Mag would be defense against bears. In that case, you want all the pentration you can get. The most reccommended rounds for bear are hard cast lead semiwadcutter designs, which penetrate deeply and cut a good wound channel, but cast bullets should not be fired in the DE because they may foul the gas tube. A truncated cone FMJ would be the next best choice, the one with the widest, flattest front that will feed reliably in the pistol. User:Fluzwup 13:00, 26 May 2005 (UTC) == Is 10mm Auto loads more capable than .357 Magnum loads? == The 10mm Auto loads can develop 861 Joules with original loadings and 950 Joules with later loads. I think this ammunition is much more capable and better than .357 Magnum. For example, Glock 20 can hold 15 rounds when chambered in 10mm Auto. This is a full sized service type pistol. But DE can hold 9 rounds when chambered in .357 Magnum. Glock 20 is somehow better than DE. :More capable in what way? Better how? The .357 Mag is one of the most versitile hangun cartridges available, if fired in a revolver, where considerations of operating a semi-automatic don't apply. Bullet weights range from 85 to 260 grains, it can be loaded down to 700 fps or up to over 1500 fps, and generate 850 ft/lbs of energy (http://www.reloadammo.com/357loads.htm, plus some personal experience). The 10mm handles bullet weights from 135 to 205 grains, and maxes out at under 700 ft. lbs (http://www.reloadammo.com/10mloads.htm). The disadvantage of the .357 is that its long case and rim, which are ideal for revolvers, makes it a poor auto-pistol cartridge. The 10mm was designed from the start as a "magnum-like" auto pistol cartridge, and was in fact designed to fit in a .45 ACP capable frame. Is the Glock 20 "better" than the DE? For a defensive carry gun, yes, assuming you can handle the recoil of a heavy caliber in a light gun. For shooting deer 200 yards away, no. For comfortable plinking, I'm also going to lean to the DE. The .357 DE, especially if you can find an early Al framed model, is a joy to shoot, if you keep the ammo in the range of power that will cycle the action reliably (which also applies to the Glock; being polymer framed, they are more ammo sensitive that heavier framed guns). Glocks, on the other hand, fling brass too close to my head for comfort. And let me tell you from personal experience, a hot 10mm from a Glock 20 down the back of the shirt really throws off one's aim... User:Fluzwup 19:53, 31 May 2005 (UTC) == There are 10mm Norma loads that have muzzle energies over 700ft/lbs. .357 Magnum is not suitable for hunting a big game. == There are 10mm loads that have muzzle energies over 700ft/lbs. .357 Magnum is not suitable for hunting a big game. For example, it's inadequate for a hunter to shoot an elk, moose, or great bears with .357 Magnum. But some of the 10mm Norma loads are similar in performance to the .41 Magnum. "08/16/03 - 10mm fans will welcome the introduction of a new line of true full-power 10mm ammo. Mike McNett, a long-time poster in Glock Talk's "10 Ring" has started his own ammunition company; Double Tap Ammunition. Double Tap currently offers six different loadings including a 135gn JHP, 165gn GSHP, 180gn GSHP, 200gn FMJ, 200gn XTP/HP and a 220gn LFP. These loads produce muzzle energy in the 700-770ftlbs range from a 4.6" Glock 20! :10mm is also not suitable for big game--and .41 Mag is marginal. To hunt big game with a pistol caliber, you want the heaviest possible solid bullet, loaded with a large meplat SWC design, jacketed or cast. Energy is completely irrelevant, what you need is penetration; penetration is a function of velocity times sectional density. An arrow, for example, only moves at about 200-250 ft/s, but it will take down a bear, because its sectional density is very high and it will penetrate deep enough. 220 grains is the max weight you can put in a 10mm (and being cast, you'll void your Glock warranty by firing it). The .357 can fire up to a 180 grain bullet, and according to Hogdon's reloading data, will hit 1422 f/s (800 ft/lbs) with a higher sectional density than the the 220 grain .40 caliber. Now, I'd still not willingly go after a bear with that (I'd go .44 Mag with a nice 300 grain SWC) but you have a significantly better chance of hitting a vital area due to the greater penetration. You also didn't mention where the 10mm's energy peak was--in most auto pistol cartidges, it's with a medium weight bullet. Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Magnum revolver cartidges have vastly more space, and this lets you use heavy bullets and large charges of the slower, bulkier powders needed to give the nice, flat pressure peak that gives you the most power. :For medium game, the .357's big advantage is that there are bullets designed for hunting made in .357 diameter; all the bullets in .400 are designed for short penetration personal defense purposes or target practice (.41 Mag bullets are .410 diameter, and are dangerously oversized for the 10mm). The 180 grain Nosler Partition, for example, is of the same construction used in Nosler's high performance rifle bullets; the partition strictly limits expansion, minimizing the risk of fragmentation and ensuring a deep penetration. All the 10mm expanding bullets will be designed to maximize expansion, and so they will have limited penetration (12-18 inches, if the designers did their jobs right) and will be prone to fragment when pushed hard (since defensive 10mm loads are basically loaded to .40 S&W levels). :One last thing that kills the 10mm as a hunting cartridge--the lack of suitable hunting guns chambered for it. The Glock is not a hunting gun--it is entirely too light, and it cannot easily be scoped. A good steel revolver or a magnum auto like the DE are going to be much more stable, and they will easily mount scopes firmly to the barrel. While you can scope a Glock, the scope is attached to the frame, not to the slide or barrel, so accuracy will be iffy--good enough for IPSC, but in that you're shooting at a 6" x 11" A zone at ranges of under 25 yards. For hunting, you need much better accuracy than that--note that the Bullseye pistol shooters go with slide mounted optics whenever possible, as they are far more consistent than frame mounted ones--unless you can fit the slide to the frame, which you cannot do with a Glock, they don't sell frames with oversized rails for lapping in the slide. A revolver (or the DE) on the other hand mounts the scope directly to the barrel, so there's a rigid connection all the way. The best is a gun that has the bases milled into the barrel or frame, as that removes one part that might shift under recoil. User:Fluzwup 15:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) == About the heavy bullets and cartridge capacity..... == "You also didn't mention where the 10mm's energy peak was--in most auto pistol cartidges, it's with a medium weight bullet. Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Magnum revolver cartidges have vastly more space, and this lets you use heavy bullets and large charges of the slower, bulkier powders needed to give the nice, flat pressure peak that gives you the most power." These are the things that you have mentioned about the semi-automatic pistol cartridges, but I don't understand about the part which you mentioned that, Heavy bullets take up too much cartridge capacity, leaving little room for the powder, and this leads to high peak pressures. Would you explain more specifically about this please? :First, a note on the history of revolver cartridges. For a revolver to "look" right, the cylinder is a lot longer than, say, a 9mm magazine. This is because revolvers date back to the black powder era, and a black powder cartridge would need that space; compare the traditional BP cartidges like .38-40, .44-40, .32-20, which held 40, 40, and 20 grains of powder respectively. A 9mm or smokeless .38 Special holds about 5 grains of powder. This means that even modern revolver cartridges have way too much case capacity for standard pressure smokeless loads, because they are designed to fit the cylinders, and the cylinders are long so that the proportions of the revolver are pleasing to the eye--about 1.5 to 2 inches long. :The essential thing you need to know to uderstand internal ballistics is that smokeless powder burn rates are proportional to the pressure. Increase the pressure, and the burn rate goes up, which increases the pressure faster, which increases the burn rate faster... This positive feedback makes smokless powder very sensitive to case capacity. With a small case capacity and a fast powder, the feedback is very fast, and the pressure peak is reached very early--just after the bullet starts to move. A fast powder is needed to make sure the bullet starts accelerating quickly, since there's not much barrel in a pistol to accelerate down. Pistols make up for the small capacity by using a very power-dense double based powder, with up to 50% nitroglycerine. These loads run right on the edge of safe; reduction of the case capacity by, say, pushing the bullet back even 1/8" can cause a dangerously high level of pressure. Fast powders also require medium or light bullet weights, as the heavy bullets accelerate too slowly and will also cause a severe pressure buildup. :Now to get magnum power out of a pistol case, you need to go with a slower burn rate powder. The slow, magnum pistol powers (which are also considered fast rifle powders) are far bulkier than double based powders--not quite as bulky as black powder, but getting there. These powders burn slower, which flattens the pressure curve, and which also allows a fatter curve. A fat curve with the same peak has a lot more area under it than a narrow curve, and that means more energy. The downside is a higher muzzle pressure, which is energy wasted in a huge muzzle blast--but that's the price you pay for magnum performance. The slower powders need more resistance so they can start the feedback loop and build up pressure--for this reason, magnum loads work better with heavier bullets. Heavier bullet, more resistance, higher pressures, more power--that's the key to a magnum load. Of course there is a limit; you've still only got a short barrel to work with, and a small case, so you can only go so far. But "only so far" is still quite a bit; loaded with a magnum pistol powder like 2400 or AA #9, the .38 Special or .44 Special become the .357 Magnum or .44 Magnum. :Now you can go with a fatter bottlnecked case to get more out of a short auto case; that's what the .30 Luger, .30 Mauser (7.62x25mm), .357 Sig, and .400 CorBon do. The disadvantages are reduced magazine capacity and thinner chambers in the barrel, plus there is a limit to how fat you can get a pistol cartridge and have it feed reliably. Auto pistols, which are almost all recoil operated, also have to work within a narrow range of recoil energies to cycle reliably. You can't make an auto that will shoot light, slow loads for target practice that will also handle magnum loadings with no changes; either the light loads won't cycle the action, or the heavy loads will batter the gun to death, and likely jam due to the extractor ripping through the rim. User:Fluzwup 17:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) Thank you for letting me know about this. Now, I understand what you mentioned in the previous comment. == Is Desert Eagle okay for a person who is not in the military or a law enforcement officer to purchase? == I wonder if Desert Eagle is just like FN Five Seven and Glock 18. :Depends on where you live. The DE is not effected by US Federal law any more than any other handgun (must be US resident (citizen or legal alien), over 21 yrs., no felony convictions or misdemeanors of domestic violence). The FN Five Seven is restricted in many areas due to capacity (holds >10 rounds) and was previously unavailable because the ammo was all armor piercing. Now that you can buy non-AP 5.7x28mm, it's legal for civillian sale. The Glock 18 is a post-86 machine gun, and thus can only be transferred to law enforcement and military, or as a class III dealer sample. :In some states, however, the DE is considered an "assault weapon" because it is too heavy. In an attempt to outlaw such SMG-looking pistols as the Tec-9 (now the DC-9) a maximum weight was put on semi-auto pistols, and the heavy steel DE is generally over that max weight. If you could find an alloy version, then you'd probably be OK, since those has aluminum alloy frames and weighted quite a bit less--48 vs. 58-62 oz.--but they were only in .357 Mag, .41 Mag, and .44 Mag; the .50 AE didn't come until much later--late Mark VII and all Mark XIX frames. The Blue Book I have lists the .50 AE at a whopping 72.4 oz., and as I recall, most of the weight limits were around 50 oz. I'm kind of fuzzy on these details; living in Oklahoma all I have to keep up with is Federal law, the state itself has no additional restrictions on possession of firearms. User:Fluzwup 14:25, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Then, is Desert Eagle .50AE prohibited everywhere in the United States? == No. First, the 1994 "semiautomatic assault weapon" ban had a list of features, any two of which made a firearm a "semiautomatic assault weapon". A handgun over the ~50 oz. weight was one characteristic, and the only one the DE had. Others were >10 shot magazine, magazine well outside the pistol grip, a barrel cover, a threaded barrel, plus a few others that don't generally apply to handguns. Second, the 1994 ban expired in 2004, so by US Federal law there is no such thing as a "semiautomatic assault weapon" any more. State and local laws may differ; in areas such as New York City, Washington, DC, and Chicago, to legally own a handgun you must have a permit that can be denied by the chief law enforcement officer for any reason, and in most of those places the mere desire to own a .50 caliber handgun would probably be sufficient reason for the CLEO to deny the permit. California recently banned .50 BMG rifles because they were seen as "too powerful" and a possible terrorist weapon (never mind that no crime has ever been committed with a .50 BMG rifle in the US, and the .50 caliber Federal limit was imposed in 1934, long after the 1918 development of the .50 BMG cartridge). It's also going to be effectively banned in MA as "unsafe" because it doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator, magazine disconnect, and integrated locking mechanism. User:Fluzwup 14:30, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Desert Eagle
The Desert Eagle is a semi-automatic, gas operated pistol that is manufactured in Israel by IMI (Israeli Military Industries) for Magnum Research, Inc. Magnum Research, based in the United States, developed and patented the original Desert Eagle design, but the refining was done by IMI. The Desert Eagle is unusual in that most semiautomatic pistols use short recoil or blow-back mechanisms; the gas operated mechanism used by the Desert Eagle is more commonly found in rifles; the locking mechanism of the Desert Eagle bears a strong resemblance to that of the M-16 series of rifles. The advantage of the gas operation is that it allows the use of far more powerful cartridges than traditional semiautomatic pistol designs, and it allows the Desert Eagle to compete in an area that had previously been dominated by magnum revolvers. Three different versions of the Desert Eagle were manufactured: the Mark I, Mark VII, and Mark XIX. The Mark I is no longer produced, but had an aluminium frame that was available in .357 Magnum and .44 Magnum. The Mark VII was built on a steel frame and was available in .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and .41 Magnum chamberings. The Mark VII is out of production, but the manufacturer still has 6 and 10 inch (152 and 254 mm) barrelled .44 Magnum Mark VIIs in stock (early 2005). The most recent, the Mark XIX, is available in .357 Magnum, .44 Magnum, and .50 Action Express (or .50 AE). Magnum Research also showed some models in .440 Cor-Bon caliber, a .50 AE derived case, but no .440 Cor-Bon components are listed in their catalog. Switching a Desert Eagle to another chambering requires only that the correct barrel, bolt assembly, and magazine be installed. Thus, a conversion to shoot the other cartridges can be quickly accomplished in the field. The most popular barrel length is 6 in (152 mm), although 10 and 14 in (254 and 356 mm) barrels (which are rarely seen) have been available. The barrels are machined with integral scope mounting bases, making adding a pistol scope a very simple operation. It is fed with a detachable box magazine, just as with any other semi-auto pistol. Because it fires such large cartridges, magazine capacity is limited to a meager nine rounds in .357 Magnum, 8 rounds in .44 Magnum, and 7 rounds in .50 AE. Compare this to the full-sized service type pistol, the SIG-Sauer Sig_P226 (which is smaller and lighter), when chambered in 9 mm Luger it can have normal magazine capacities of up to sixteen rounds. The Desert Eagle is a sport pistol which has limited practical use other than giving enjoyment on the range, and as a capable hunting weapon. It is sometimes seen as a form of ludicrous overcompensation by accomplished pistol marksmen, as the .50 AE can be considered excessively powerful. The Desert Eagle is also a weapon of choice in many computer games, perhaps most well known in Counter-Strike and Urban Terror. The gun also appears in various films, often as the weapon of choice for the villains. In The Matrix, the Desert Eagle was the standard issue side arm for the Agent_(Matrix)s. In an entertaining scene in Snatch, a protagonist frightens off two bandits simply by referring to the power of his Desert Eagle (sitting on the table in front of him), compared to the much smaller replica (fake) guns his assailants are wielding. While IMI makes a cosmetically similar pistol, originally called the Jericho 941 and now marketed as the "Baby Eagle", the guns bear no functional eqivalence--the Jericho/Baby Eagle design is a standard high capacity, double action, short recoil design. The one functional similarity is in ammunition. The .41 Action Express (or .41 AE) developed for the Jericho 941 used a rebated rim, so that the pistol could switch between 9 mm Luger and .41 AE with just the change of a barrel. This is because the .41 AE was based on a shortened .41 Magnum case with the rim and extractor groove cut to the same dimensions of the 9 mm Luger. This allowed the same extractor and ejector to work with both cartridges. The .50 AE has a similar rebated rim, cut to the same dimensions as the .44 Magnum. This is what allows caliber changes between .44 Magnum and .50 AE with just the change of the barrel and magazine. Unfortunately, due to the requirements of the gas operated action, the Desert Eagle barrels are very expensive, selling for at least triple the price of a barrel for a short recoil design. This makes changing calibers an expensive option. ===California approved=== The Desert Eagle is available in a California approved model, indicated by a "CA" at the end of the model number. The California approved models have a passive firing pin safety. ==See also== *.50 caliber handguns *List of firearms *List of handgun cartridges ==External links== *[http://www.magnumresearch.com/ Magnum Research, Inc.] *[http://www.imi-israel.com/ Israeli Military Industries] Semi-automatic pistols Personal weapons Israeli Military Industries Modern weapons Weapons of Israel
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