
===Please see User talk:Dbiv/Archive for comments before May 1, 2005=== == RfC on Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters == In endorsing the summary written by Jguk, I saw your comment: :* Regret the way Lulu has responded to this questioning of his actions. Dbiv 09:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC) Yours is the only name I see among the endorsers of a ''disinterested'' editor. At least I don't remember seeing lots of flames from you on the MoS style survey. So I suspect you picked up a wrong sense of the RfC from your reading of it in isolation. Basically Jguk's RfC is the latest in a long line of dirty tricks by him and by Jtdirl. All kinds of misuse of the administrative procedures of WP to carry on a vendetta (with no concern for improving WP itself). So if your comment reflects the fact I don't take the RfC seriously, you are utterly correct. It's a bad joke by an annoying little child—sort of on the order of those weak-A/high-B college students I used to teach who were certain they knew everything in the world. It's a little bit cute when you are the professor; but less so on WP. User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 16:27, 2005 May 17 (UTC) : I'm afraid you've reinforced my feelings. Despite having the odd run-in with JgUK (we are on the opposite side of politics in Britain), I don't support the idea of a policy against having styles of address in article titles, and I thought the survey (when I eventually found it, after it had closed) was very confusing. It certainly didn't show a consensus to remove styles of address, and I think that trying to force through this policy, while bound to be contentious, has not been pursued entirely correctly. The issues raised in the RFC are legitimate ones and I can't see any abuse of WP procedures, certainly not along the lines of WP:POINT. Given that it raises a legitimate issue a flippant response seems to me inappropriate. User:Dbiv 21:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC) ::Well, OK, it's certainly your vote to sign. But an RfC is really not the place to rehash the MoS debate, which is all Jguk is using it for. You are more than welcome to hold whatever opinion you like about what the MoS should and shouldn't say—it doesn't even sound like I particularly disagree with you (I mainly just don't want the use of styles ''nominally mandated, but still randomly used''). ::The "behavior" that Jguk claims to want to redress is a dozen or more distinct things I did on a dozen different pages. I'm not about to go through each individual one to explain it. In a few cases I indeed acted impulsively or out of annoyance (usually at Jguk's bad behavior; but I'm not going to be so childish as to start a spurious RfC about it). In most of them, I acted rightly. But an RfC is supposed to be about ''one'' issue, not "everything in Lulu's edit history that Jguk can construe negatively if presented selectively." User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:38, 2005 May 17 (UTC) == Did you know? == == :Image:Charleslatham.jpg == The image :Image:Charleslatham.jpg has no source, please could you provide one User:Zeimusu | User talk:Zeimusu == Did you know? == == Selhurst and company == Good job with the honorable H. Rochester Sneath - User:Skysmith 09:23, 31 May 2005 (UTC) == Did you know? == == Thanks == for putting Robb Wilton into English - I had intended to return to it myself but you beat me to it. User:Paul Tracy == Thanks Dbiv == Thanks for your support on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Seabhcan. User:Seabhcan 09:31, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Hi Dbiv == You removed this line ... which peaked when Blair was taken ill during an award ceremony on the village green at Linton, West Yorkshire. Nonetheless ... from the second paragraph of health problems. That sentence was initially added by an IP user, but it looked right to me. Posted the above on the Talk:Tony Blair page, then actually looked at what the IP had done, and it was mostly vandalism. Are you sure that's not actually right, though? User:Proto 15:58, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) :If Tony Blair had been taken ill during an award ceremony, I think it would have been noticed at the time and mentioned in the press. It wasn't. It also seems extremely unlikely that the Prime Minister should be present at an award ceremony in a small village to which he has no connection (Linton is near Wetherby). I suspect a linkspam, to be honest. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 16:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) Hi dbiv. In response to your query regarding this information, I was on the security provisioning team for this event and remember it only too well since due to the health situation at the time we were under instruction to have a medical team on standby 'behind the scenes' on a just-in-case basis - i.e. we did not expect it would be required. In the event, it was required but was not available and things became very unpleasant for several people concerned, hence I recall the experience very well. ''(Unsigned contribution from Special:Contributions/212.248.232.34)'' :I think we need a bit more than that. As a matter of fact I know where Linton is (having been brought up in Leeds and Scarborough and travelling between the two). Why was the Prime Minister at this small and, though I love it dearly, not very important village? Surely a Prime Ministerial visit would have been covered in the local press (the Wetherby News, the York Evening Press, or the Yorkshire Evening Post). Please give the date on which this visit occurred. As it stands this information is totally unsourced and not particularly believable - I refuse to believe that it would have gone un-noticed by the national press and 24-hour TV news stations, for example. Tony Blair is a Wikipedia:Featured Articles which means it is supposed to exemplify the best of Wikipedia. It would hardly be that if it had such an unreferenced claim in. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 13:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) == My RFA == Hi David, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. User:Fawcett5 19:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC) == My RFA == Hi David, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. User:Fawcett5 19:42, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC) == References == Great, thank you. I'm assuming you are familiar with the references you added and they substantially verify the material in the article. Otherwise it's not quite right to add them as a reference. Thanks for your efforts. - User:Taxman User talk:Taxman 14:02, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) == Thank you for your support == Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. User:Kelly Martin 14:41, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) ==Rollback== I noticed you used rollback against Ruy's perfectly valid edit on the Molotov article. Please don't use rollback against anything except vandalism. Using it in a content dispute is an abuse of admin powers. User:Everyking 01:16, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Perhaps you could direct me to this policy as I could not find it. Using the rollback link is no different to the type of revert that any user can do, save for the fact it only involves one click, and that's hardly a fundamental difference, is it? The closest I could get to this policy you claim to exist was a warning to explain reverts. I was going to explain this one (that Ruy's version was more POV than the previous) but as it was gone midnight I went to bed instead. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 12:08, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Art of Invention Marketing== User:Mahiconsultant has now blanked the page again since your last revert. I reverted it back, but I'd suggest going ahead with banning him. --User:Idont havaname 23:42, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Thanks for your support == Hi David! Thanks for supporting my adminship nomination, and for kind words too! User:Sjakkalle User talk:Sjakkalle 13:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) == September Dossier et al.== Do you really think Sadam was ever an immediate threat to this country, or even a significant one?User:Sandpiper 23:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) :What I think he is or was, is neither here nor there. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 08:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) :: On the contrary, it is exactly the point. From NPOV view, it inevitably colours your perspective and must be considered a negative. Though I suspect you are very good on this topic, which is a definite plus. But also from an encyclopedic point of view, the opinions of those directly involved or most informed is in itself a statistic worth reporting. ::But I suspect your opinions are rather close to mine. I imagine that when he embarked on this war he rather hoped that it would have reached a successfull outcome by now, or at least a view of light at the end of the tunnel. What he might have feared was losing the election because of a disastrous war. But that timebomb is still flying through the air. What he has had to survive is the loss of trust caused by the war propaganda which has been attributed to him. How much did he anticipate that?User:81.7.59.128 15:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)User:Sandpiper 15:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) (sorry, thought it was logged in.) == Tony Blair == yep, that sort of correction I can agree with. It does not say whether he agreed with his advisors.User:81.7.59.128 17:20, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)(sandpiper, seems to be losing me when I change windows) {| class="Talk-Notice" |- | |:Template:Did you know has been updated. A fact from the article Harold Davidson, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on :Template talk:Did you know. |} == Question... == Please see the comments at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harold_Davidson
==Wikipedia entry if there was one== David Boothroyd (born November 9, 1972) is a political researcher based in London. He was born Leeds, West Riding of Yorkshire and brought up first in Leeds but moved to Scarborough in 1976 where he attended Newby County Primary School. In 1983 he moved to Congleton, Cheshire where he attended Quinta County Primary School, and from 1984, Heathfield High School. From 1989 to 1991 he attended King's School, Macclesfield. His further education was at St Catharine's College, Cambridge, Cambridge University. He has been a member of the Labour Party (UK) since 1989 and on leaving university worked for John Battle, MP for Leeds West. He then worked as a private sector political researcher, before returning to Parliament to work for Ian Lucas, MP for Wrexham. His book "Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties" was published in 2001. He has been a member of City of Westminster since 2002. He is currently an Account Executive for a nationwide public affairs company specialising in urban regeneration schemes. ==Why 'DBIV'?== Because my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were all called David Boothroyd, so this makes me David Boothroyd IV which abbreviates to DBIV. The long form is not used because my father calls himself Dave. ==Articles which I have written== Leo Abse Ashtar Galactic Command John Bellingham Nicolas Bentley William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett Bill Boaks Ashley Bramall George Brown, Baron George-Brown (a featured article) Capital Gay Edward Carson Elizabeth Cass Chris Chataway Charles Alfred Cripps, 1st Baron Parmoor Horace Cutler Harold Davidson Bryn Davies Defence Regulation 18B Bill Fiske Neil Fletcher Rayner Goddard, Baron Goddard Reg Goodwin Vincent Hanna Patrick Hastings Isaac Hayward Humphrey Inner London Education Authority Keith Joseph Ruth Kelly King's School, Macclesfield Ralph Knott Charles Latham, 1st Baron Latham Geoffrey Lawrence, 3rd Baron Trevethin List of heads of London government List of Irish representative peers List of Law Life Peerages List of members of the Privy Council of Northern Ireland London School Board Gilbert Mabbot James McGarel-Hogg, 1st Baron Magheramorne Robert Mardian Reginald Maudling (a featured article) Metropolitan Board of Works Frances Morrell Arthur Owens David Penhaligon Spencer Perceval Desmond Plummer John Poulson Pride's Purge Archibald Maule Ramsay Ivor Richard, Baron Richard Giles Gilbert Scott Peter Shore T. Dan Smith Swing (politics) John Thwaites (British politician) Lena Townsend Eric Varley John Widgery John Wodehouse, 2nd Earl of Kimberley ==Articles to which I have made major rewrites== John Aislabie Tony Blair (a featured article) Karen Buck Alastair Campbell Congleton David Copeland Frank Dobson Timothy Evans Paul Foot George Galloway Andrew Gilligan Greater London Council Michael Howard David Kelly Labour Party (UK) Rod Liddle Ian Lucas John Major John Marek Marsham Towers Master of the Rolls Jo Moore Herbert Stanley Morrison Oswald Mosley Parliament of Northern Ireland St Catharine's College, Cambridge Shirley Porter Bobby Sands Duncan Sandys W. C. Sellar and R. J. Yeatman Peter Tatchell Margaret Thatcher (successfully nominated as a featured article after my rewrite; today's featured article on Main Page for May 18, 2005) Thatcherism John Tyndall (politician) Tom Watson (politician) Harold Wilson North Woolwich Yes, Minister Queer wikipedians
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===Please see User talk:Dbiv/Archive for comments before May 1, 2005=== == RfC on Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters == In endorsing the summary written by Jguk, I saw your comment: :* Regret the way Lulu has responded to this questioning of his actions. Dbiv 09:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC) Yours is the only name I see among the endorsers of a ''disinterested'' editor. At least I don't remember seeing lots of flames from you on the MoS style survey. So I suspect you picked up a wrong sense of the RfC from your reading of it in isolation. Basically Jguk's RfC is the latest in a long line of dirty tricks by him and by Jtdirl. All kinds of misuse of the administrative procedures of WP to carry on a vendetta (with no concern for improving WP itself). So if your comment reflects the fact I don't take the RfC seriously, you are utterly correct. It's a bad joke by an annoying little child—sort of on the order of those weak-A/high-B college students I used to teach who were certain they knew everything in the world. It's a little bit cute when you are the professor; but less so on WP. User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 16:27, 2005 May 17 (UTC) : I'm afraid you've reinforced my feelings. Despite having the odd run-in with JgUK (we are on the opposite side of politics in Britain), I don't support the idea of a policy against having styles of address in article titles, and I thought the survey (when I eventually found it, after it had closed) was very confusing. It certainly didn't show a consensus to remove styles of address, and I think that trying to force through this policy, while bound to be contentious, has not been pursued entirely correctly. The issues raised in the RFC are legitimate ones and I can't see any abuse of WP procedures, certainly not along the lines of WP:POINT. Given that it raises a legitimate issue a flippant response seems to me inappropriate. User:Dbiv 21:26, 17 May 2005 (UTC) ::Well, OK, it's certainly your vote to sign. But an RfC is really not the place to rehash the MoS debate, which is all Jguk is using it for. You are more than welcome to hold whatever opinion you like about what the MoS should and shouldn't say—it doesn't even sound like I particularly disagree with you (I mainly just don't want the use of styles ''nominally mandated, but still randomly used''). ::The "behavior" that Jguk claims to want to redress is a dozen or more distinct things I did on a dozen different pages. I'm not about to go through each individual one to explain it. In a few cases I indeed acted impulsively or out of annoyance (usually at Jguk's bad behavior; but I'm not going to be so childish as to start a spurious RfC about it). In most of them, I acted rightly. But an RfC is supposed to be about ''one'' issue, not "everything in Lulu's edit history that Jguk can construe negatively if presented selectively." User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters 21:38, 2005 May 17 (UTC) == Did you know? == == :Image:Charleslatham.jpg == The image :Image:Charleslatham.jpg has no source, please could you provide one User:Zeimusu | User talk:Zeimusu == Did you know? == == Selhurst and company == Good job with the honorable H. Rochester Sneath - User:Skysmith 09:23, 31 May 2005 (UTC) == Did you know? == == Thanks == for putting Robb Wilton into English - I had intended to return to it myself but you beat me to it. User:Paul Tracy == Thanks Dbiv == Thanks for your support on Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Seabhcan. User:Seabhcan 09:31, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Hi Dbiv == You removed this line ... which peaked when Blair was taken ill during an award ceremony on the village green at Linton, West Yorkshire. Nonetheless ... from the second paragraph of health problems. That sentence was initially added by an IP user, but it looked right to me. Posted the above on the Talk:Tony Blair page, then actually looked at what the IP had done, and it was mostly vandalism. Are you sure that's not actually right, though? User:Proto 15:58, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) :If Tony Blair had been taken ill during an award ceremony, I think it would have been noticed at the time and mentioned in the press. It wasn't. It also seems extremely unlikely that the Prime Minister should be present at an award ceremony in a small village to which he has no connection (Linton is near Wetherby). I suspect a linkspam, to be honest. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 16:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC) Hi dbiv. In response to your query regarding this information, I was on the security provisioning team for this event and remember it only too well since due to the health situation at the time we were under instruction to have a medical team on standby 'behind the scenes' on a just-in-case basis - i.e. we did not expect it would be required. In the event, it was required but was not available and things became very unpleasant for several people concerned, hence I recall the experience very well. ''(Unsigned contribution from Special:Contributions/212.248.232.34)'' :I think we need a bit more than that. As a matter of fact I know where Linton is (having been brought up in Leeds and Scarborough and travelling between the two). Why was the Prime Minister at this small and, though I love it dearly, not very important village? Surely a Prime Ministerial visit would have been covered in the local press (the Wetherby News, the York Evening Press, or the Yorkshire Evening Post). Please give the date on which this visit occurred. As it stands this information is totally unsourced and not particularly believable - I refuse to believe that it would have gone un-noticed by the national press and 24-hour TV news stations, for example. Tony Blair is a Wikipedia:Featured Articles which means it is supposed to exemplify the best of Wikipedia. It would hardly be that if it had such an unreferenced claim in. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 13:15, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC) == My RFA == Hi David, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. User:Fawcett5 19:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC) == My RFA == Hi David, thank you for your vote of confidence on my recent successful RFA, it was much appreciated. I will work to demonstrate that your trust was well-placed. User:Fawcett5 19:42, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC) == References == Great, thank you. I'm assuming you are familiar with the references you added and they substantially verify the material in the article. Otherwise it's not quite right to add them as a reference. Thanks for your efforts. - User:Taxman User talk:Taxman 14:02, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) == Thank you for your support == Thank you for supporting my candidacy for administrator. User:Kelly Martin 14:41, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) ==Rollback== I noticed you used rollback against Ruy's perfectly valid edit on the Molotov article. Please don't use rollback against anything except vandalism. Using it in a content dispute is an abuse of admin powers. User:Everyking 01:16, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Perhaps you could direct me to this policy as I could not find it. Using the rollback link is no different to the type of revert that any user can do, save for the fact it only involves one click, and that's hardly a fundamental difference, is it? The closest I could get to this policy you claim to exist was a warning to explain reverts. I was going to explain this one (that Ruy's version was more POV than the previous) but as it was gone midnight I went to bed instead. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 12:08, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/The Art of Invention Marketing== User:Mahiconsultant has now blanked the page again since your last revert. I reverted it back, but I'd suggest going ahead with banning him. --User:Idont havaname 23:42, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Thanks for your support == Hi David! Thanks for supporting my adminship nomination, and for kind words too! User:Sjakkalle User talk:Sjakkalle 13:21, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) == September Dossier et al.== Do you really think Sadam was ever an immediate threat to this country, or even a significant one?User:Sandpiper 23:47, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) :What I think he is or was, is neither here nor there. User:Dbiv | User talk:Dbiv 08:23, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) :: On the contrary, it is exactly the point. From NPOV view, it inevitably colours your perspective and must be considered a negative. Though I suspect you are very good on this topic, which is a definite plus. But also from an encyclopedic point of view, the opinions of those directly involved or most informed is in itself a statistic worth reporting. ::But I suspect your opinions are rather close to mine. I imagine that when he embarked on this war he rather hoped that it would have reached a successfull outcome by now, or at least a view of light at the end of the tunnel. What he might have feared was losing the election because of a disastrous war. But that timebomb is still flying through the air. What he has had to survive is the loss of trust caused by the war propaganda which has been attributed to him. How much did he anticipate that?User:81.7.59.128 15:50, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)User:Sandpiper 15:51, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) (sorry, thought it was logged in.) == Tony Blair == yep, that sort of correction I can agree with. It does not say whether he agreed with his advisors.User:81.7.59.128 17:20, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)(sandpiper, seems to be losing me when I change windows) {| class="Talk-Notice" |- | |:Template:Did you know has been updated. A fact from the article Harold Davidson, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently-created article, then please suggest it on :Template talk:Did you know. |} == Question... == Please see the comments at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Harold_Davidson
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==Wikipedia entry if there was one== David Boothroyd (born November 9, 1972) is a political researcher based in London. He was born Leeds, West Riding of Yorkshire and brought up first in Leeds but moved to Scarborough in 1976 where he attended Newby County Primary School. In 1983 he moved to Congleton, Cheshire where he attended Quinta County Primary School, and from 1984, Heathfield High School. From 1989 to 1991 he attended King's School, Macclesfield. His further education was at St Catharine's College, Cambridge, Cambridge University. He has been a member of the Labour Party (UK) since 1989 and on leaving university worked for John Battle, MP for Leeds West. He then worked as a private sector political researcher, before returning to Parliament to work for Ian Lucas, MP for Wrexham. His book "Politico's Guide to the History of British Political Parties" was published in 2001. He has been a member of City of Westminster since 2002. He is currently an Account Executive for a nationwide public affairs company specialising in urban regeneration schemes. ==Why 'DBIV'?== Because my father, grandfather and great-grandfather were all called David Boothroyd, so this makes me David Boothroyd IV which abbreviates to DBIV. The long form is not used because my father calls himself Dave. ==Articles which I have written== Leo Abse Ashtar Galactic Command John Bellingham Nicolas Bentley William Norman Birkett, 1st Baron Birkett Bill Boaks Ashley Bramall George Brown, Baron George-Brown (a featured article) Capital Gay Edward Carson Elizabeth Cass Chris Chataway Charles Alfred Cripps, 1st Baron Parmoor Horace Cutler Harold Davidson Bryn Davies Defence Regulation 18B Bill Fiske Neil Fletcher Rayner Goddard, Baron Goddard Reg Goodwin Vincent Hanna Patrick Hastings Isaac Hayward Humphrey Inner London Education Authority Keith Joseph Ruth Kelly King's School, Macclesfield Ralph Knott Charles Latham, 1st Baron Latham Geoffrey Lawrence, 3rd Baron Trevethin List of heads of London government List of Irish representative peers List of Law Life Peerages List of members of the Privy Council of Northern Ireland London School Board Gilbert Mabbot James McGarel-Hogg, 1st Baron Magheramorne Robert Mardian Reginald Maudling (a featured article) Metropolitan Board of Works Frances Morrell Arthur Owens David Penhaligon Spencer Perceval Desmond Plummer John Poulson Pride's Purge Archibald Maule Ramsay Ivor Richard, Baron Richard Giles Gilbert Scott Peter Shore T. Dan Smith Swing (politics) John Thwaites (British politician) Lena Townsend Eric Varley John Widgery John Wodehouse, 2nd Earl of Kimberley ==Articles to which I have made major rewrites== John Aislabie Tony Blair (a featured article) Karen Buck Alastair Campbell Congleton David Copeland Frank Dobson Timothy Evans Paul Foot George Galloway Andrew Gilligan Greater London Council Michael Howard David Kelly Labour Party (UK) Rod Liddle Ian Lucas John Major John Marek Marsham Towers Master of the Rolls Jo Moore Herbert Stanley Morrison Oswald Mosley Parliament of Northern Ireland St Catharine's College, Cambridge Shirley Porter Bobby Sands Duncan Sandys W. C. Sellar and R. J. Yeatman Peter Tatchell Margaret Thatcher (successfully nominated as a featured article after my rewrite; today's featured article on Main Page for May 18, 2005) Thatcherism John Tyndall (politician) Tom Watson (politician) Harold Wilson North Woolwich Yes, Minister Queer wikipedians
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