Czalex

== Belarusian Portal == Thanks for coming to the Portal. I got rid of the Lukashenko symbols and the greeny template/design. I hope you like it and thanks for working on Belarusian articles. I mainly created the portal to get articles (and other things) on Belarus created, showed around Wikipedia and just increase the Belarusian presence on not just Wikipedia, but the Internet in general. User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370 22:49, 23 May 2005 (UTC) ==Domeyko== He never considered himself Belarusian and no serious scholars consider him Belarusian today. So please stop.--User:Witkacy 05:48, 24 May 2005 (UTC) * ''the man was born in Belarus and at least this is a reason good enough to mention him as Belarusian.'' 1. Belorusia dont existed at that time. 2. Milions of Poles lived befor the 2ww in todays Ukraine, Belarus and Lithuania. Even today 4% of the Belorusian population are Poles. See Demographics of Belarus. * His forefathers did not migrate from Poland (oh, or you have evidence?), but were Belarusian. Even Damiejka is a Belarusian (Ruthenian, but not Polish) surname. Do you have some evidence that they NOT migrate from Poland? His surname is of no importance - are all Belarusian with ''ski'' surnames Poles? And BTW his surname was DOMEYKO and not Damiejka.. * ''In Belarus he is officically considered to be Belarusian. This can not be ignored.'' In Belarus Lukashenko is officically a hero :) You just ingnore the fact, that he never considered himself Belorusian and nobody do that. Please also stop to add Belarusian names for other Poles like Lucjan Zeligowski, that's ridiculously... Wielka Encyklopedia Powszechna PWN: [http://portalwiedzy.onet.pl/62572,haslo.html] --User:Witkacy 06:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC) ---- [http://www.poczta-polska.pl/znaczki/en/a2002_3.php], [http://www.poland-embassy.si/eng/poland/poles.htm], [http://www.newpoland.com/famous_poles_scientists_main.htm], [http://www.uj.edu.pl/IRO/NEWSLET/IRO13/RYN-P.html], [http://www.polishroots.org/paha/poles_latinamerica.htm] etc, etc .... "... In the year 2002 we have the 200th anniversary of Ignacy Domeyko's birthday /1802-1889/ an outstanding Polish patriot and scientist. On this occasion Polish Post together with Chile Post will issue a post stamp ..." "''Damiejka considered himself as Litvin, probably spoke Polish as mother tongue but was Belarusian (Litvin) of origin''" No. He did not, and he never used the name Domejka ... "''Belorusia does not exist even today. I know only Belarus or White Ruthenia and people who can not write correctly. There where never "MILLIONS" of Poles in Belarus - several tens thousands migrated to Belarus between WWI and WWII - that's all''!" I have said milions of Poles in Belarus, Ukraine and Lithuania... Poles migrated after the WWI? No Poles in todays Belarus in times of the PLC? and partitions of Poland? That's interesting... BTW: 4% of 10,310,520 = 400 000 Poles (today). However... He was a Pole, and your own opinion dont change simply facts...--User:Witkacy 07:40, 24 May 2005 (UTC) :Regardless of rather harsh attitude of Witkacy, there is some serious point in what he writes. Most of all, if we followed your logic we'd have to quote also other translations or transliterations of his name (which was one, the other versions seem just that). For instance, he was born in Russia, so a Russian rendering should be mentioned. He was also born in former Grand Duchy of Lithuania, so perhaps a Ruthenian or Lithuanian version could be mentioned..? Finally, the area he was born in what soon after his birth became France, so how about adding Ignace Domeyko..? :Anyway, all these translations of his name were not what he signed his works with. Why to pretend it was not so? User:HalibuttUser talk:Halibutt 09:01, May 24, 2005 (UTC) ::Gentlemen, see Talk:Ignacy Domeyko for the answers--User:Czalex 17:15, 24 May 2005 (UTC) ''"Dear Witkacy, would you please firstly argument your subjective changes proposals in the talk page. I'm sorry, but what you are doing now is ridiculous"'' It has been already discussed. --User:Witkacy 20:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC) :You did not answer my last message (check the Talk page of the article!). If we consider the discussion for closed, let us keep the article with both ''Belarusian'' and ''Polish'' categories and names in it. It is a compromise.--User:Czalex 20:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC) Come on.. its only wasting of time.. He wasnt a Pole, yes.. he was a Polish patriot !!! :)--User:Witkacy 21:17, 26 May 2005 (UTC) :It is waste of time, you're damn right! :) Being Polish patriot didn't make him not Belarusian of origin and birthplace. And one can be sure that he was a patriot of his home the same much as he was patriot of Poland (to sum up - he was patriot of the former Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth). So leaving him there as a Belarusian scientist doesn't stop him from being Polish geologist! Both Belarusians and Poles can be proud of Damiejka, so how about a peace treaty on this?--User:Czalex 21:43, 26 May 2005 (UTC) == 3-revert rule violation == Ignacy Domeyko. Cool down. Not a matter of life and death. user:mikkalai user talk:mikkalai 21:44, 26 May 2005 (UTC) :Of course not, but it is a matter of Wikipedias objectivity and completeness.--User:Czalex 21:49, 26 May 2005 (UTC) == Award == User:Zscout370_User_talk:Zscout370Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kindness_Campaign">Image:Barnstar of National Merit.png|left|frame|For your valiant efforts in increasing the Belarusian presence on Wikipedia, I hereby award you the Barnstar of National Merit. User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370Wikipedia:WikiProject Kindness Campaign :Thank you! :) Жыве Беларусь! ::Just in case you wanted to change the award to a more localised version... :) --User:HalibuttUser talk:Halibutt 12:59, May 31, 2005 (UTC) :::I'm glad that you are able to help me on the Belarusian articles, so that was why I gave you the BoNM (which, I created). As for the Belarusian variant, have fun with it, give it to whoever. I am not as picky about the award as my friend Redux does, but I would not be surprised if he talks to you again Halibutt and to you, Czalex. User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370 22:12, 31 May 2005 (UTC) ::::Though, personally, I think the template I used is screwing up your talk page. User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370 22:13, 31 May 2005 (UTC) == Belarusian babel templates == Hello, please have a look at belarusian babel templates in the Russian Wiki. Maybe we can unify templates in English and Russian domains? Which version do you think is better? -- User:Paul Pogonyshev 07:24, 27 May 2005 (UTC) :Hi! :1) the difference AFAIC is only in the writing - ''Tara�kievica'' vs ''Narkomaŭka''. In the Belarusian wiki we have a [http://be.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D1%96%D0%BA%D1%96%D0%BF%D1%8D%D0%B4%D1%8B%D1%8F:%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%B0%D0%BF%D1%96%D1%81 rule] not to convert Tara�kievica to Narkomaŭka and vice versa (just like there's a rule not to convert British English to American in the English Wiki), so both variants are OK :2) the other difference is ''свабодна валодае беларускай мовай'' vs ''выдатна ведае беларускую мову''. IMO the 2nd variant sounds better--User:Czalex 14:56, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC) ==Jan Karol Chodkiewicz== *1. Nobody really knows the origins of the Chodkiewicz family. *2. According to a legend they were descendants of boyars from Kiev (Ukraine). *3. Something like "Belarusian nobility" dont exist at that time (Belarus/Belarusians not existed at that time, neither as a country nor as a nation) *4. Only because Charles VII, Holy Roman Emperor was Teresa Kunegunda Sobieskas son, (or the children of Maria Klementyna Sobieska) it does not mean that he/they were Polish nobles. *5. Please note for the future, that - for an example - only because George Bush's forefathers were from England or Scotland or Ireland, it dont change the fact that he himself is an American, and the Bush family are Americans. *6. Probably you have also Polish, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, or Russian ancestors - but it makes you not less Belarusian. --User:Witkacy 19:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) "''Polacy dawno obchodzą się tak, by nas, wielkie rody litewskie, rozdrażnione do zguby przyprowadzić"'' A quote from: ''H. Visneris, Lietuvos Did�iosios Kunigaik�tystės valstybingumo pavojai, Vilnius 1991,'' (seems a dubious source) As i already said, the origins of the family are unknown. Probably Kiev, maybe Lithuania - nobody knows it. And yes, the Chodkiewicz's were Orthodox, then Calvinists and finally Catholics (Jan Karol Was Catholic). See also point 3 above.--User:Witkacy 22:35, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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User:Zscout370_User_talk:Zscout370Wikipedia:WikiProject_Kindness_Campaign">Image:Barnstar of National Merit.png|left|frame|For your valiant efforts in increasing the Belarusian presence on Wikipedia, I hereby award you the Barnstar of National Merit. User:Zscout370 User_talk:Zscout370Wikipedia:WikiProject Kindness Campaign Alexander B. Čajčyc student of International Economic Relations, Moscow, Russia I write mainly into the [http://be.wikipedia.org Belarusian Wikipedia] and on Belarusian topics in other Wikipedias. ==Interests== Economics, Finance, Belarus, Austria, Germany, Latvia, Heraldry

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