{| style="margin:0 auto;" class="toccolours" |align=center| Cult | List of purported cults |- |align=center| Opposition to cults and new religious movements | Christian countercult movement | Anti-cult movement |- |align=center| Religious intolerance | Post-cult trauma | Apostasy | Witch hunt | Bigotry |- |align=center| Cult of personality | Cult checklists | Charismatic authority |- |align=center| Mind control | Exit counseling | Deprogramming |- | [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template:Cults&action=edit Edit ] |}
''The neutrality of this article is Wikipedia:NPOV dispute.'' It appears that there was no consensus on Vfd at the present time to delete this mediawiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion&diff=2859243&oldid=2859232 -User:BoNoMoJo 04:04, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC) ---- The exact content of this page is somewhat debatable. To mention one doubt that has been raised (and to which I don't exactly disagree), it is arguable that Rajneesh's followers don't have much of an established hierarchy currently, so perhaps they don't qualify as a cult. On the other hand they have strong proselitism here in Brazil, and the image of Rajneesh and the dangers associated with it are very much alive still. User:Luis Dantas 18:56, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) well, I don't think that Rajneesh belongs on the mediawiki cults I think it is better to raise the objections to Rajneesh speculative, misguided or deceptive ideas on the page of Rajneesh himself. Unfortuantely there are plenty of groups that can serve as an example of a cult. Too many to list, in fact. User:Andries 19:29, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) As written, this MediaWiki is very POV and inflammatory toward more than one religion. User:Davodd 11:44, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC) Should "Guru" really be here? It sort of implies that any small, original religion lead by a single individual is a cult. -- User:Khym Chanur 04:24, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC) :Hi Khym, it will be called a cult by the public even if this is unfair and unjustified. Most cult leaders can be considered guru in the contempary meaning of the word, whether we like it or not. User:Andries 07:17, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC) The wikimedia cults will refer to all articles that are essential to understand cults. I think these are Cult of personality, Propaganda , Fundamentalism , Guru , Faith , Communal reinforcement. It will be added as a footer to all the articles that deal primarily with cults i.e. Cult , Purported cults, Christian countercult movement , Anti-cult movement , Exit counseling , Thought reform , Deprogramming , Mind control & Brainwashing The difference between a ''See also'' list is that the wikimedia cults refers to essential articles. The ''See also'' list will also refer to side issues. User:Andries 08:51, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC) == Deletions == Why have Mind control and Charismatic authority been removed from the template? They seem relevant. -User:Willmcw 19:35, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) ::Remopved because it portrays POV: that cults engage in mind control. Mind control theories are not only related to cults. Same with Charismatic authority. Blatant POV and advocacy (throwing mud with the hope some sticks). I could also add to this template mass hysteria, witch hunt, hate group, religious intolerance, religious freedom Human rights, Apostasy, etc. (you get the point), but I don't because it would also be POV and advocacy. Or maybe not? :) --User:Zappaz 03:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::We are not talking about human rights. Zappaz, perhaps you could clarify for me what you consider a cult to be. In some discussion you say that calling a group a "cult" is disparaging term, while in other discussions, such as this one, you complain about disparaging terms being used about cults. Do you deny that there are groups described as cults that may engage in "mind control" or depend upon "charismatic authority"? If there are groups that do so, what would you call them? The articles have been included in the cult category, are you planning to remove them from that as well? Please explain where you see these articles fitting into the encyclopedia, if not here. Thanks -User:Willmcw 04:20, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) ::::I had no choice but to balance this template. I would have preferred to keep it simple, though. Cheers. --User:Zappaz 16:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Witch hunt | Bigotry == I see references to cults in Witch hunt, but none in Bigotry. Why is Bigotry on the template? -User:Willmcw 20:37, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC) :I a direct reference to bigotry needed? User:Jossifresco 04:58, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) :If not, why else is it on the template? There are lots of other terms that don't have a direct reference either. I suppose we could make arguments for including them. But a navigation template's purpose is to help readers find their way among related articles. -User:Willmcw 05:28, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) ::'':If not, why else is it on the template?'' Because, Willmcw, people that belong to minority religions, see some of the activism of the anti-cult as an expression of bigotism and religious intolerance. Read the related articles in which this template is linked to. User:Jossifresco 23:56, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) :::Aren't there several other articles on the template that discuss anti-cult bigotry? The topic seems to be covered well elsewhere and not at all in "bigotry". It doesn't seem to add anything. -User:Willmcw 00:08, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC) ::::Yes, a template would seem to be for articles ''closely related'' to the template topic. That seems to be a principle that some people have trouble grasping -- after all, Zappaz only added "Witch hunt" and "Bigotry" to the template after he couldn't get away with removing "Mind control" (his edit summary makes clear that he viewed it as ''quid pro quo'', not as, y'know, trying to be accurate and helpful to the reader...) Poor Zappaz must've been extremely confused; give him half a chance and he'll go into a tizzy and tirade about how "mind control" is the entirely scientifically disproven concept around which is based the whole of the anti-cult movement's opposition to what they pejoratively refer to cults, yadda yadda yadda (a complete straw man, but one doesn't expect much accuracy from Zappaz in describing the anti-cult movement). Then, after having screamed up and down how the only reason anyone could possibly object to perfectly legitimate "new religious movements" and tar them with the awful epithet of "cults" is the Big Lie of "mind control" -- he thinks he should be fighting to keep it ''out'' of the template? and then he thinks that because he didn't get his way in taking out "mind control" (which all POVs agree is closely related to the concept of cults) he's entitled to put in "witch hunt" and "bigotry"? ::::As Will points out, if "bigotry" is so gosh-darn closely related to the whole concept of cults then one would think the article linked to would have had ''some'' mention of it. (One that wasn't, by the way, hastily edited in so that someone could say 'There, now bigotry mentions how everyone who remembers what happened at Jonestown and thinks the same could happen again is just a big ol' bigot; now you have to put "bigotry" in the template and if you don't like that, I'll award myself some other POV addition as a consolation prize.') -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 14:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
''See Cult (disambiguation) if this article is not what you were looking for.'' Cults is a suburb of Aberdeen, Scotland. It is known for its historic granite housing, making it largely a wealthy area of the city.
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''The neutrality of this article is Wikipedia:NPOV dispute.'' It appears that there was no consensus on Vfd at the present time to delete this mediawiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion&diff=2859243&oldid=2859232 -User:BoNoMoJo 04:04, Apr 14, 2004 (UTC) ---- The exact content of this page is somewhat debatable. To mention one doubt that has been raised (and to which I don't exactly disagree), it is arguable that Rajneesh's followers don't have much of an established hierarchy currently, so perhaps they don't qualify as a cult. On the other hand they have strong proselitism here in Brazil, and the image of Rajneesh and the dangers associated with it are very much alive still. User:Luis Dantas 18:56, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) well, I don't think that Rajneesh belongs on the mediawiki cults I think it is better to raise the objections to Rajneesh speculative, misguided or deceptive ideas on the page of Rajneesh himself. Unfortuantely there are plenty of groups that can serve as an example of a cult. Too many to list, in fact. User:Andries 19:29, 28 Feb 2004 (UTC) As written, this MediaWiki is very POV and inflammatory toward more than one religion. User:Davodd 11:44, Mar 13, 2004 (UTC) Should "Guru" really be here? It sort of implies that any small, original religion lead by a single individual is a cult. -- User:Khym Chanur 04:24, Mar 20, 2004 (UTC) :Hi Khym, it will be called a cult by the public even if this is unfair and unjustified. Most cult leaders can be considered guru in the contempary meaning of the word, whether we like it or not. User:Andries 07:17, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC) The wikimedia cults will refer to all articles that are essential to understand cults. I think these are Cult of personality, Propaganda , Fundamentalism , Guru , Faith , Communal reinforcement. It will be added as a footer to all the articles that deal primarily with cults i.e. Cult , Purported cults, Christian countercult movement , Anti-cult movement , Exit counseling , Thought reform , Deprogramming , Mind control & Brainwashing The difference between a ''See also'' list is that the wikimedia cults refers to essential articles. The ''See also'' list will also refer to side issues. User:Andries 08:51, 20 Mar 2004 (UTC) == Deletions == Why have Mind control and Charismatic authority been removed from the template? They seem relevant. -User:Willmcw 19:35, Apr 24, 2005 (UTC) ::Remopved because it portrays POV: that cults engage in mind control. Mind control theories are not only related to cults. Same with Charismatic authority. Blatant POV and advocacy (throwing mud with the hope some sticks). I could also add to this template mass hysteria, witch hunt, hate group, religious intolerance, religious freedom Human rights, Apostasy, etc. (you get the point), but I don't because it would also be POV and advocacy. Or maybe not? :) --User:Zappaz 03:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::We are not talking about human rights. Zappaz, perhaps you could clarify for me what you consider a cult to be. In some discussion you say that calling a group a "cult" is disparaging term, while in other discussions, such as this one, you complain about disparaging terms being used about cults. Do you deny that there are groups described as cults that may engage in "mind control" or depend upon "charismatic authority"? If there are groups that do so, what would you call them? The articles have been included in the cult category, are you planning to remove them from that as well? Please explain where you see these articles fitting into the encyclopedia, if not here. Thanks -User:Willmcw 04:20, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC) ::::I had no choice but to balance this template. I would have preferred to keep it simple, though. Cheers. --User:Zappaz 16:09, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC) == Witch hunt | Bigotry == I see references to cults in Witch hunt, but none in Bigotry. Why is Bigotry on the template? -User:Willmcw 20:37, Jun 9, 2005 (UTC) :I a direct reference to bigotry needed? User:Jossifresco 04:58, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) :If not, why else is it on the template? There are lots of other terms that don't have a direct reference either. I suppose we could make arguments for including them. But a navigation template's purpose is to help readers find their way among related articles. -User:Willmcw 05:28, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) ::'':If not, why else is it on the template?'' Because, Willmcw, people that belong to minority religions, see some of the activism of the anti-cult as an expression of bigotism and religious intolerance. Read the related articles in which this template is linked to. User:Jossifresco 23:56, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC) :::Aren't there several other articles on the template that discuss anti-cult bigotry? The topic seems to be covered well elsewhere and not at all in "bigotry". It doesn't seem to add anything. -User:Willmcw 00:08, Jun 11, 2005 (UTC) ::::Yes, a template would seem to be for articles ''closely related'' to the template topic. That seems to be a principle that some people have trouble grasping -- after all, Zappaz only added "Witch hunt" and "Bigotry" to the template after he couldn't get away with removing "Mind control" (his edit summary makes clear that he viewed it as ''quid pro quo'', not as, y'know, trying to be accurate and helpful to the reader...) Poor Zappaz must've been extremely confused; give him half a chance and he'll go into a tizzy and tirade about how "mind control" is the entirely scientifically disproven concept around which is based the whole of the anti-cult movement's opposition to what they pejoratively refer to cults, yadda yadda yadda (a complete straw man, but one doesn't expect much accuracy from Zappaz in describing the anti-cult movement). Then, after having screamed up and down how the only reason anyone could possibly object to perfectly legitimate "new religious movements" and tar them with the awful epithet of "cults" is the Big Lie of "mind control" -- he thinks he should be fighting to keep it ''out'' of the template? and then he thinks that because he didn't get his way in taking out "mind control" (which all POVs agree is closely related to the concept of cults) he's entitled to put in "witch hunt" and "bigotry"? ::::As Will points out, if "bigotry" is so gosh-darn closely related to the whole concept of cults then one would think the article linked to would have had ''some'' mention of it. (One that wasn't, by the way, hastily edited in so that someone could say 'There, now bigotry mentions how everyone who remembers what happened at Jonestown and thinks the same could happen again is just a big ol' bigot; now you have to put "bigotry" in the template and if you don't like that, I'll award myself some other POV addition as a consolation prize.') -- User:Antaeus Feldspar 14:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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