
[[Image:CologneSkylineAtNight.jpg|thumb|250px|Cologne skyline at night. The famous Cologne Cathedral is on the right. The Rhine River is in the foreground and the towers of the Town Hall (on the left) and church of Great St. Martin (center) are also seen.]] Cologne (German language: Köln [kœln] ) is, in terms of population, the fourth largest city in Germany and largest city of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. It is one of the most important German inland ports, and considered the economic, cultural, and historic capital of the Rhineland. It is the Largest cities of the European Union by population. At the end of 2003, Cologne's population was 965,954, using the standard method of counting only persons whose primary residence (German: Hauptwohnsitz) was the city. The city of Cologne includes those with non-primary residences (German: Nebenwohnsitz) in its official figure, raising it to 1,020,603. Its location at the intersection of the Rhine (German ''Rhein'') river with one of the major trade routes between eastern and western Europe was the foundation of Cologne's commercial importance. In the Middle Ages it also became an ecclesiastical center of significance and an important center of art and learning. Cologne was badly damaged during World War II. Cologne has one university, which has around 49,000 students (autumn semester 2004/2005) and is renowned for its economics faculty. In addition to the university, it has 3 colleges. Fachhochschule Köln (The University of Applied Sciences of Cologne) is, with 18,000 students, the biggest college in Germany. A total of 65,000 students study in Cologne. Cologne also has a Roman Catholic Church archbishopric. Cologne cathedral (German ''Kölner Dom''), a gothic architecture church, was designated a World Heritage site in 1996; it is the city's major landmark and unofficial symbol. The city is 43% Roman Catholic, 18% Protestant and 39% other religions. Until World War II and the following stream of refugees arriving from eastern Germany, Roman Catholicism had a wide majority in Cologne. Cologne has 31 museums. Exhibits range from archeological findings to contemporary painting. Alongside the established places of art exists a thriving arts scene, represented yearly at "Art Cologne", Germany's biggest arts fair. The city occupies an important position in Germany's television industry. Traditionally it has been home to Westdeutscher Rundfunk (WDR) - the biggest branch of Germany's first public broadcaster ARD - and after the opening for privatization of the media in the 1980's established itself as base for several commercial TV channels - RTL being the biggest and commercially most successful in Germany. Cologne today is home to a wide range of television and film production companies, even though Berlin has attracted parts of the media industry after reunification. Berlin also rivals Cologne regarding the cities' respective gay scenes. Cologne has long been known for its tolerance. The city had for long been a stronghold in Germany's queer movement. Even though Berlin has drawn some of the attention, Cologne still boasts Germany's biggest Gay Pride event (known here as Christopher Street Day) each year in July (attracting over 1 million visitors annually) and is home to a variety of LGBT organizations and businesses. 20% of Cologne's population is non-German. 40% of these are Turkish. Cologne is well known for its beer, called "Kölsch (beer)". Kölsch is also the dialect of Cologne. It is jocularly said that Kölsch is the only language you can drink. This year, Cologne will be witness to one of the largest meetings of the Catholic youth. The XX World Youth Day will take place from Monday, August 15, until Sunday, August 21. == Geography == The city covers about 1 E8 m2 square kilometre (about 156 miles²), is located at , and is between 37.5 and 118.04 metre above sea level. Its car registration prefix is K. == The Coat of Arms of Cologne == The three crowns symbolise the Magi or Three Wise Men whose bones are said to be kept in a golden sarcophagus in the Cathedral (see Shrine of the Three Kings at Cologne Cathedral). The eleven flames are a reminder of the Britannic princess St. Ursula and her legendary 11,000 virgin companions who were supposedly martyred at Cologne for their Christian faith by Attila the Hun in 383 A.D. In reality it was probably just 11 companions. == History == ''Main article: History of Cologne'' Cologne became a city in 50 A.D, had a bishop as early as 313, and, in 785, became the seat of an archbishop. The Archbishop of Cologne was one of the seven Prince-elector of the Holy Roman Empire. He ruled a large area as a secular lord in the Middle Ages, but in 1288 he was defeated by the Cologne citizens and forced to move to Bonn. Cologne was a member of the Hanseatic League, but became a free city officially only by 1475. Cologne lost its free status, and regained its archbishopric during the French period, and, in 1815, at the Congress of Vienna was made part of the kingdom of Prussia. Cologne became an industrial city, and the Cologne cathedral, started in 1248 but abandoned in the mid-1500s, was eventually finished in 1880. During the 19th_century and 20th_century centuries, Cologne incorporated numerous surrounding towns, and by the time of World War I had already grown to 600,000 inhabitants. In World War II, it was repeatedly bombed, and much of the city was in ruins. It took some time to rebuild the city, but afterwards it grew again, and, in 1975, reached 1 million inhabitants for about one year. == City Partnerships == {| | valign="top" | *Liverpool (England), since 1952 *Esch-sur-Alzette (Luxembourg), since 1958 *Lille (France), since 1958 *Lüttich (Belgium), since 1958 *Rotterdam (Netherlands), since 1958 *Turin (Italy), since 1958 *Kyoto (Japan), since 1963 *Tunis (Tunisia), since 1964 *Turku (Finland), since 1967 *Neukölln (Berlin), since 1967 *Klausenburg (Romania), since 1976 *Tel Aviv-Jaffa (Israel), since 1979 | valign="top" | *Barcelona (Spain), since 1984 *Peking (People’s Republic of China), since 1987 *Thessaloniki (Greece), since 1988 *Cork (Republic of Ireland), since 1988 *Corinto / El Realejo (Nicaragua), since 1988 *Indianapolis (USA), since 1988 *Volgograd (Russia), since 1988 *Treptow-Köpenick (Berlin), since 1990 *Katowice (Poland), since 1991 *Betlehem (Palestinian National Authority), since 1996 *İstanbul (Turkey), since 1997 |} By merging in other cities and communes, Köln took over their partnerships, with the following: Benfleet/Castle Point (England), Igny (France), Diepenbeek (Belgium), Brive la Gaillarde (France), Dunstable (England), Eygelshoven (Netherlands) and Hazebrouck (France). == Buildings and places of interest in Cologne == * In 310 Constantine I (emperor) builds a bridge over the Rhine at Cologne. * Cologne cathedral (''der Kölner Dom'') is the city's famous landmark. * University of Cologne * Fragrance-Museum Farina House, the birthplace of Eau de Cologne * Wallraf-Richartz Museum * Museum Ludwig * Römisch-Germanisches Museum * Ford Motor Company plants, assembling the Ford Fiesta and Ford Fusion as well as manufacturing engines and parts. * RheinEnergieStadion, the major Cologne soccer stadium, seating 50,997 visitors in national games and 46,134 in international games, home to the local Bundesliga_(football) team, 1.FC Köln, and to the local NFL_Europe team, the Cologne Centurions * Kölnarena, a multifunctional stadium, home to the local ice hockey team, the Cologne Sharks * Kölnturm, with 150 metres in height Cologne's second tallest building, second only to the cathedral * Colonius - a telecommunication tower with an observation deck * Colonia-Hochhaus - German's tallest building, in which people live * Rheinseilbahn - an aerial tramway crossing the Rhine * Fair Tower Cologne * The ''Hohe Strasse'' (literally: "high street") is one of the main shopping areas and extends past the cathedral in an approximately southern direction. This street is particularly popular with tourists and contains many giftshops, clothing stores, fast food restaurants and electronic goods dealers / the area around Apostelnstrasse, Ehrenstrasse, and Rudolfplatz, on the other hand, is a little more on the eccentric and stylish side and far more interesting than Hohe Strasse * the historic ''Ringe'' boulevards (such as Hohenzollernring, Kaiser-Wilhelm-Ring, Hansaring) with their medieval city gates (such as Hahnentorburg on Rudolfplatz) are also known for their nightlife == Legalities == Cologne is the only city in Germany with an explicit tax on prostitution and other sex businesses. See the article on prostitution in Germany for details. == External links == * [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ln/Bildergalerie Photo Gallery] * [http://www.koeln.de Cologne], official webpage of Cologne * [http://www.panoramalampe.de/fotografie/qtvr.html Fullscreen Cologne QuickTime VR Panoramas] - Panorama Lamp with images from Cologne * [http://www.panoramalampe.de/fotografie/rundgang.html Cologne Cathedral QuickTime VR walkthrough] - Walk through Cologne Cathedral * [http://www.panorama-cities.net/cologne/cologne.html City Panoramas] - Panoramic Views of Cologne's Highlights * [http://www.cologne-in.de Cologne-In] - alternative city guide with city maps. * [http://www.wikitravel.org/en/article/Cologne Cologne travel guide] at wikitravel.org * [http://www.wjt2005.de/index.php XX World Youth Day 2005] * [http://www.hot-maps.de/europe/germany/nrw/cologne/homeen.html Map of Cologne] ---- Cities in Germany Cologne Roman legions camps la:Colonia Agrippina simple:Cologne
Most of the article was duplicated. User:Marcello 23:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) I changed the gamma/contrast of the picture (a bit drastically) in order to make the cathedral more visible. Unfortunately the cloud effects are now less visible and some quality is reduced. The original is still at cologne_cathedral.png if somebody decides to try and do a better job (probably quite easy :-) ). user:sodium Does anyone know the original source and copyright status of the text? Much is duplicated at -- http://www.koeln.de/portrait/e/ If this is a copyright violation on our side it was done many months ago (sometime before Feb). Therefore this could just as well be a copyright violation committed by the website you cite against us. So I vote for simply keeping the text in this article and let it evolve into someting different than the other website. This is why it is ''very'' important to check new contribs for violations. --User:Maveric149 www.koeln.de is run by the City Council of Cologne. They have their own PR writers and don't need to copy anything. I think it's more likely that we copied from them. Cologne is the first word I ever typed into the Wiki search engine - it's my home town. When I read it I thought: "copied from a tourist brochure!". I'll be working on the page to make it "ours". User:Renata Sept. 20th, 2002 Boy that will be a lot of work. If you really think it is a violation it might be easier to delete the offending material and start from scratch (using the info in the offending text but not the prose or unique organization). Information cannot be copyrighted, only the artistic choice of words and unique organization.--User:Maveric149 :For the meantime, I deleted the duplicate text. It's there at the external link if you want it. But History of Cologne still needs to fixed. == Name == I, an Englishman, always refer to this city as Köln. I believe Cologne is the French name for the city; why do we use it as the article name in the English edition of Wikipedia?. -- User:Chris j wood 12:49, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) :see wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(city_names) Köln is the name of the city, that's it. "Cologne" is from latin "''Colonia'' Claudia Ara Agrippinensium" - the name of the city when it was founded by romans. "Cologne" and "Colonia" is still the used name in several romance languages like french, spanish and also in other languages like english. hope i could make it clearly. User:Threedots 13:52, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC) == Agglomeration == Which agglomeration is referred to in the opening paragraph (with the population of 1.8 million)? Cologne and Leverkusen? It should be made clear, or removed. Anyone know the answer? --User:Lancevortex 20:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) Add what you want. Add whole NRW if you want, then you have 18 million. : That's not a very helpful answer. I don't know if you are aiming "add what you want" at me in particular, or at Wikipedians in general, but it's not a question of what anyone wants, it's about the facts. --User:Lancevortex 13:12, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) :: The fact is, that there is no official definition of a Cologne agglomeration. So if you want to, you can define a "Lancevortex Cologne agglomeration" and say, that town a, b, c shall belong to this agglomeration. The next user may deny that town c has anything to do with Cologne and defines another agglomeration without town c, but adds town d and e. If you want to call the Rhine-Ruhr area an agglomeration and if you want to follow the definition of this area at English Wikipedia, then you can write of a population "close to 13 million". All of these definitions are kind of personal taste and many of them are for PR purposes to impress the readers. They shall show something like "my city is the biggest, the most important". If the facts show that it isn't the biggest, then you add some cities around. A nice example is Düsseldorf: 11 Mio inhabitants, 300,000 companies, 45 universities. Wow! That's impressing! But it's not one city, it's more than 100 cities mixed together (including Cologne). ::: Yes, I know all that -- I don't want to define any kind of agglomeration! I just want to know which specific agglomeration is referred to in this article. Perhaps the person who originally added the info to the article can explain, but in the meantime I'm going to delete the reference, as it seems meaningless. --User:Lancevortex 08:56, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::: OK, now I feel a bit stupid -- someone's already deleted it -- which is probably why you appeared to think that I wanted to add it. --User:Lancevortex 09:12, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::::: No need to feel stupid. It was me who deleted the sentence. A possible source of the data may be http://www.citypopulation.de/World.html . But it is said there: "The figures of such a statistic are all of varying, and some of suspect accuracy." On the other hand the creator of the list writes: "Nevertheless, the population figures presented on this page are more relevant and more comparable than most of the data presented elsewhere." I don't know why he comes to this conclusion. It isn't said anything about the source of the data and especially it isn't said which cities are added to get the agglomeration. :::::: OK, I see what's happened. I think we had a different understanding of agglomeration. You (and the original editor who added the text to Wikipedia) were using the definition at citypopulation.de which includes commuters. The agglomeration is then clearly "the Cologne agglomeration", which is why I must have seemed a bit mad asking which cities it was comprised of. I was using the definition given at Agglomeration, which implies a joined set of cities, such as Cologne and Leverkusen, for example, and reserves the term "metropolitan area" for what you meant. I don't know which is correct, but thanks for helping me sort that out, and apologies if I appeared a bit blunt earlier! --User:Lancevortex 17:49, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::::::: Your first idea was correct: Agglomeration is meant as a city with several suburbs added. But one question is: What is a suburb? The author of citypopulation.de says in his text something like: If many people of a town commute to a city, then there is a link between the town and the city and the town belongs to the agglomeration of the city. That's one aspect when defining an agglomeration. But how many commuters to the city does a town have to have to be added to the agglomeration? How "urban" does a town has to be, to be added to an agglomeration? Should the whole town in it's official borders be counted or only the urban parts of it? Especially in very populated areas as Rhine-Ruhr is, there is another question: Where does one agglomeration end and the next begin? Are each of the cities of Cologne, Leverkusen and Düsseldorf defining an own agglomeration? Does Leverkusen "belong" to Cologne or to Düsseldorf? Or do they all belong together? ::::::: So it's really the question: Does Leverkusen belong to the agglomeration mentioned in the text? I think so, because otherwise one wouldn't reach 1.8 Mio. On the other hand mentions Largest European metropolitan areas a Cologne metropolitan area with 1.85 Mio. and Largest urban areas of the European Union has a "Cologne-Bonn urban area" with 2.48 Mio. The last list is really complete nonsense. There are cities put together, that do not belong together even if one follows the definition above the list. Yes, it's all so vaguely defined isn't it? I think the article is much better for not mentioning it at all. --User:Lancevortex 08:57, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) == River == What river runs through the Cologne River :It'd help if you read the article - that river is called Rhine. User:Ahoerstemeier 11:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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[[Image:CologneSkylineAtNight.jpg|thumb|250px|Cologne skyline at night. The famous Cologne Cathedral is on the right. The Rhine River is in the foreground and the towers of the Town Hall (on the left) and church of Great St. Martin (center) are also seen.]] Cologne (German language: Köln [kœln] ) is, in terms of population, the fourth largest city in Germany and largest city of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. It is one of the most important German inland ports, and considered the economic, cultural, and historic capital of the Rhineland. It is the Largest cities of the European Union by population. At the end of 2003, Cologne's population was 965,954, using the standard method of counting only persons whose primary residence (German: Hauptwohnsitz) was the city. The city of Cologne includes those with non-primary residences (German: Nebenwohnsitz) in its official figure, raising it to 1,020,603. Its location at the intersection of the Rhine (German ''Rhein'') river with one of the major trade routes between eastern and western Europe was the foundation of Cologne's commercial importance. In the Middle Ages it also became an ecclesiastical center of significance and an important center of art and learning. Cologne was badly damaged during World War II. Cologne has one university, which has around 49,000 students (autumn semester 2004/2005) and is renowned for its economics faculty. In addition to the university, it has 3 colleges. Fachhochschule Köln (The University of Applied Sciences of Cologne) is, with 18,000 students, the biggest college in Germany. A total of 65,000 students study in Cologne. Cologne also has a Roman Catholic Church archbishopric. Cologne cathedral (German ''Kölner Dom''), a gothic architecture church, was designated a World Heritage site in 1996; it is the city's major landmark and unofficial symbol. The city is 43% Roman Catholic, 18% Protestant and 39% other religions. Until World War II and the following stream of refugees arriving from eastern Germany, Roman Catholicism had a wide majority in Cologne. Cologne has 31 museums. Exhibits range from archeological findings to contemporary painting. Alongside the established places of art exists a thriving arts scene, represented yearly at "Art Cologne", Germany's biggest arts fair. The city occupies an important position in Germany's television industry. Traditionally it has been home to Westdeutscher Rundfunk (WDR) - the biggest branch of Germany's first public broadcaster ARD - and after the opening for privatization of the media in the 1980's established itself as base for several commercial TV channels - RTL being the biggest and commercially most successful in Germany. Cologne today is home to a wide range of television and film production companies, even though Berlin has attracted parts of the media industry after reunification. Berlin also rivals Cologne regarding the cities' respective gay scenes. Cologne has long been known for its tolerance. The city had for long been a stronghold in Germany's queer movement. Even though Berlin has drawn some of the attention, Cologne still boasts Germany's biggest Gay Pride event (known here as Christopher Street Day) each year in July (attracting over 1 million visitors annually) and is home to a variety of LGBT organizations and businesses. 20% of Cologne's population is non-German. 40% of these are Turkish. Cologne is well known for its beer, called "Kölsch (beer)". Kölsch is also the dialect of Cologne. It is jocularly said that Kölsch is the only language you can drink. This year, Cologne will be witness to one of the largest meetings of the Catholic youth. The XX World Youth Day will take place from Monday, August 15, until Sunday, August 21. == Geography == The city covers about 1 E8 m2 square kilometre (about 156 miles²), is located at , and is between 37.5 and 118.04 metre above sea level. Its car registration prefix is K. == The Coat of Arms of Cologne == The three crowns symbolise the Magi or Three Wise Men whose bones are said to be kept in a golden sarcophagus in the Cathedral (see Shrine of the Three Kings at Cologne Cathedral). The eleven flames are a reminder of the Britannic princess St. Ursula and her legendary 11,000 virgin companions who were supposedly martyred at Cologne for their Christian faith by Attila the Hun in 383 A.D. In reality it was probably just 11 companions. == History == ''Main article: History of Cologne'' Cologne became a city in 50 A.D, had a bishop as early as 313, and, in 785, became the seat of an archbishop. The Archbishop of Cologne was one of the seven Prince-elector of the Holy Roman Empire. He ruled a large area as a secular lord in the Middle Ages, but in 1288 he was defeated by the Cologne citizens and forced to move to Bonn. Cologne was a member of the Hanseatic League, but became a free city officially only by 1475. Cologne lost its free status, and regained its archbishopric during the French period, and, in 1815, at the Congress of Vienna was made part of the kingdom of Prussia. Cologne became an industrial city, and the Cologne cathedral, started in 1248 but abandoned in the mid-1500s, was eventually finished in 1880. During the 19th_century and 20th_century centuries, Cologne incorporated numerous surrounding towns, and by the time of World War I had already grown to 600,000 inhabitants. In World War II, it was repeatedly bombed, and much of the city was in ruins. It took some time to rebuild the city, but afterwards it grew again, and, in 1975, reached 1 million inhabitants for about one year. == City Partnerships == {| | valign="top" | *Liverpool (England), since 1952 *Esch-sur-Alzette (Luxembourg), since 1958 *Lille (France), since 1958 *Lüttich (Belgium), since 1958 *Rotterdam (Netherlands), since 1958 *Turin (Italy), since 1958 *Kyoto (Japan), since 1963 *Tunis (Tunisia), since 1964 *Turku (Finland), since 1967 *Neukölln (Berlin), since 1967 *Klausenburg (Romania), since 1976 *Tel Aviv-Jaffa (Israel), since 1979 | valign="top" | *Barcelona (Spain), since 1984 *Peking (People’s Republic of China), since 1987 *Thessaloniki (Greece), since 1988 *Cork (Republic of Ireland), since 1988 *Corinto / El Realejo (Nicaragua), since 1988 *Indianapolis (USA), since 1988 *Volgograd (Russia), since 1988 *Treptow-Köpenick (Berlin), since 1990 *Katowice (Poland), since 1991 *Betlehem (Palestinian National Authority), since 1996 *İstanbul (Turkey), since 1997 |} By merging in other cities and communes, Köln took over their partnerships, with the following: Benfleet/Castle Point (England), Igny (France), Diepenbeek (Belgium), Brive la Gaillarde (France), Dunstable (England), Eygelshoven (Netherlands) and Hazebrouck (France). == Buildings and places of interest in Cologne == * In 310 Constantine I (emperor) builds a bridge over the Rhine at Cologne. * Cologne cathedral (''der Kölner Dom'') is the city's famous landmark. * University of Cologne * Fragrance-Museum Farina House, the birthplace of Eau de Cologne * Wallraf-Richartz Museum * Museum Ludwig * Römisch-Germanisches Museum * Ford Motor Company plants, assembling the Ford Fiesta and Ford Fusion as well as manufacturing engines and parts. * RheinEnergieStadion, the major Cologne soccer stadium, seating 50,997 visitors in national games and 46,134 in international games, home to the local Bundesliga_(football) team, 1.FC Köln, and to the local NFL_Europe team, the Cologne Centurions * Kölnarena, a multifunctional stadium, home to the local ice hockey team, the Cologne Sharks * Kölnturm, with 150 metres in height Cologne's second tallest building, second only to the cathedral * Colonius - a telecommunication tower with an observation deck * Colonia-Hochhaus - German's tallest building, in which people live * Rheinseilbahn - an aerial tramway crossing the Rhine * Fair Tower Cologne * The ''Hohe Strasse'' (literally: "high street") is one of the main shopping areas and extends past the cathedral in an approximately southern direction. This street is particularly popular with tourists and contains many giftshops, clothing stores, fast food restaurants and electronic goods dealers / the area around Apostelnstrasse, Ehrenstrasse, and Rudolfplatz, on the other hand, is a little more on the eccentric and stylish side and far more interesting than Hohe Strasse * the historic ''Ringe'' boulevards (such as Hohenzollernring, Kaiser-Wilhelm-Ring, Hansaring) with their medieval city gates (such as Hahnentorburg on Rudolfplatz) are also known for their nightlife == Legalities == Cologne is the only city in Germany with an explicit tax on prostitution and other sex businesses. See the article on prostitution in Germany for details. == External links == * [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%B6ln/Bildergalerie Photo Gallery] * [http://www.koeln.de Cologne], official webpage of Cologne * [http://www.panoramalampe.de/fotografie/qtvr.html Fullscreen Cologne QuickTime VR Panoramas] - Panorama Lamp with images from Cologne * [http://www.panoramalampe.de/fotografie/rundgang.html Cologne Cathedral QuickTime VR walkthrough] - Walk through Cologne Cathedral * [http://www.panorama-cities.net/cologne/cologne.html City Panoramas] - Panoramic Views of Cologne's Highlights * [http://www.cologne-in.de Cologne-In] - alternative city guide with city maps. * [http://www.wikitravel.org/en/article/Cologne Cologne travel guide] at wikitravel.org * [http://www.wjt2005.de/index.php XX World Youth Day 2005] * [http://www.hot-maps.de/europe/germany/nrw/cologne/homeen.html Map of Cologne] ---- Cities in Germany Cologne Roman legions camps la:Colonia Agrippina simple:Cologne
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Most of the article was duplicated. User:Marcello 23:07, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC) I changed the gamma/contrast of the picture (a bit drastically) in order to make the cathedral more visible. Unfortunately the cloud effects are now less visible and some quality is reduced. The original is still at cologne_cathedral.png if somebody decides to try and do a better job (probably quite easy :-) ). user:sodium Does anyone know the original source and copyright status of the text? Much is duplicated at -- http://www.koeln.de/portrait/e/ If this is a copyright violation on our side it was done many months ago (sometime before Feb). Therefore this could just as well be a copyright violation committed by the website you cite against us. So I vote for simply keeping the text in this article and let it evolve into someting different than the other website. This is why it is ''very'' important to check new contribs for violations. --User:Maveric149 www.koeln.de is run by the City Council of Cologne. They have their own PR writers and don't need to copy anything. I think it's more likely that we copied from them. Cologne is the first word I ever typed into the Wiki search engine - it's my home town. When I read it I thought: "copied from a tourist brochure!". I'll be working on the page to make it "ours". User:Renata Sept. 20th, 2002 Boy that will be a lot of work. If you really think it is a violation it might be easier to delete the offending material and start from scratch (using the info in the offending text but not the prose or unique organization). Information cannot be copyrighted, only the artistic choice of words and unique organization.--User:Maveric149 :For the meantime, I deleted the duplicate text. It's there at the external link if you want it. But History of Cologne still needs to fixed. == Name == I, an Englishman, always refer to this city as Köln. I believe Cologne is the French name for the city; why do we use it as the article name in the English edition of Wikipedia?. -- User:Chris j wood 12:49, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC) :see wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(city_names) Köln is the name of the city, that's it. "Cologne" is from latin "''Colonia'' Claudia Ara Agrippinensium" - the name of the city when it was founded by romans. "Cologne" and "Colonia" is still the used name in several romance languages like french, spanish and also in other languages like english. hope i could make it clearly. User:Threedots 13:52, 26 Jan 2005 (UTC) == Agglomeration == Which agglomeration is referred to in the opening paragraph (with the population of 1.8 million)? Cologne and Leverkusen? It should be made clear, or removed. Anyone know the answer? --User:Lancevortex 20:50, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC) Add what you want. Add whole NRW if you want, then you have 18 million. : That's not a very helpful answer. I don't know if you are aiming "add what you want" at me in particular, or at Wikipedians in general, but it's not a question of what anyone wants, it's about the facts. --User:Lancevortex 13:12, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) :: The fact is, that there is no official definition of a Cologne agglomeration. So if you want to, you can define a "Lancevortex Cologne agglomeration" and say, that town a, b, c shall belong to this agglomeration. The next user may deny that town c has anything to do with Cologne and defines another agglomeration without town c, but adds town d and e. If you want to call the Rhine-Ruhr area an agglomeration and if you want to follow the definition of this area at English Wikipedia, then you can write of a population "close to 13 million". All of these definitions are kind of personal taste and many of them are for PR purposes to impress the readers. They shall show something like "my city is the biggest, the most important". If the facts show that it isn't the biggest, then you add some cities around. A nice example is Düsseldorf: 11 Mio inhabitants, 300,000 companies, 45 universities. Wow! That's impressing! But it's not one city, it's more than 100 cities mixed together (including Cologne). ::: Yes, I know all that -- I don't want to define any kind of agglomeration! I just want to know which specific agglomeration is referred to in this article. Perhaps the person who originally added the info to the article can explain, but in the meantime I'm going to delete the reference, as it seems meaningless. --User:Lancevortex 08:56, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) :::: OK, now I feel a bit stupid -- someone's already deleted it -- which is probably why you appeared to think that I wanted to add it. --User:Lancevortex 09:12, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::::: No need to feel stupid. It was me who deleted the sentence. A possible source of the data may be http://www.citypopulation.de/World.html . But it is said there: "The figures of such a statistic are all of varying, and some of suspect accuracy." On the other hand the creator of the list writes: "Nevertheless, the population figures presented on this page are more relevant and more comparable than most of the data presented elsewhere." I don't know why he comes to this conclusion. It isn't said anything about the source of the data and especially it isn't said which cities are added to get the agglomeration. :::::: OK, I see what's happened. I think we had a different understanding of agglomeration. You (and the original editor who added the text to Wikipedia) were using the definition at citypopulation.de which includes commuters. The agglomeration is then clearly "the Cologne agglomeration", which is why I must have seemed a bit mad asking which cities it was comprised of. I was using the definition given at Agglomeration, which implies a joined set of cities, such as Cologne and Leverkusen, for example, and reserves the term "metropolitan area" for what you meant. I don't know which is correct, but thanks for helping me sort that out, and apologies if I appeared a bit blunt earlier! --User:Lancevortex 17:49, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC) ::::::: Your first idea was correct: Agglomeration is meant as a city with several suburbs added. But one question is: What is a suburb? The author of citypopulation.de says in his text something like: If many people of a town commute to a city, then there is a link between the town and the city and the town belongs to the agglomeration of the city. That's one aspect when defining an agglomeration. But how many commuters to the city does a town have to have to be added to the agglomeration? How "urban" does a town has to be, to be added to an agglomeration? Should the whole town in it's official borders be counted or only the urban parts of it? Especially in very populated areas as Rhine-Ruhr is, there is another question: Where does one agglomeration end and the next begin? Are each of the cities of Cologne, Leverkusen and Düsseldorf defining an own agglomeration? Does Leverkusen "belong" to Cologne or to Düsseldorf? Or do they all belong together? ::::::: So it's really the question: Does Leverkusen belong to the agglomeration mentioned in the text? I think so, because otherwise one wouldn't reach 1.8 Mio. On the other hand mentions Largest European metropolitan areas a Cologne metropolitan area with 1.85 Mio. and Largest urban areas of the European Union has a "Cologne-Bonn urban area" with 2.48 Mio. The last list is really complete nonsense. There are cities put together, that do not belong together even if one follows the definition above the list. Yes, it's all so vaguely defined isn't it? I think the article is much better for not mentioning it at all. --User:Lancevortex 08:57, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) == River == What river runs through the Cologne River :It'd help if you read the article - that river is called Rhine. User:Ahoerstemeier 11:56, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
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