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I think your suggestions about the Javanese languages are important. *# Inro, Para2: is it factually correct to say "Javanese is spoken on the north coast of West, Central and East Java" instead of "Javanese is spoken on the north coast of West Java, Central and East Java"? *# Inro, Para2: is Sunda 'equivalent to' West Java, or 'in' west java? *# Inro, Para2: is it relevant / notable that "It was the court language in Palembang, South Sumatra before their palace was sacked by the Dutch in the late 18th century." *# Intro, Para5: "Javanese has been written with the Javanese writing system, (a descendant of the Brahmi script of India), Arabo-Javanese script, Arabic script (modified for Javanese) and Latin script." has been or is? *# Intro, Para6: " It is estimated that it is spoken or understood by at least 80 millions people. " the intro says that ethnologue puts the # at 75,500,000. I don't really care which #, but the article should be internally consistant. btw, ethnologue is some sketchy christian group, which makes me more skeptical about their veracity. * other problems: *# side table lists javanese at 11th most speakers, but they're 12th right now. ad. 1: I think it's better to say: Javanese is spoken in Central and East Java. It is also spoken on the north coast of West Java. ad. 2:Sunda is in West Java. However some consider the whole fof West Java as Sunda. ad. 3: Yes. ad. 4: Is. ad. 5: OK. ad. 6: OK. OK, thanks! User:Meursault2004 07:10, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) * Wow. Thanks. I have a question your response about Sunda & West Java. What did you mean when you wrote "In Sunda (West Java), Madura, Bali and Lombok, Javanese is also used as a literary language." I want to edit those parentheses out of there, but don't understand which of the following is correct: a) In the Sunda region of West Java, Madura, Bali and Lombok. . . or b) In Sunda, Madura, Bali and Lombok . . . User:Bubamara 09:19, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) :Sundanese language was/is a region, located in West Java. Well actually that is the name of an ethnic group and their language. Madura, Bali and Lombok are the names of other isles. User:Meursault2004 11:24, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- *# Dialects (orphaned section at the bottom): is it factually accurate to say "The Western Javanese dialect, spoken in West Java (particularly in the north coast region), contains sub-dialects distinct for their Sundanese influences and which still maintain many archaic words. The sub-dialects are ''Jawa Serang'', ''North coast'', ''Indramayu'' or ''Dermayon'' and ''Cirebonan'' or ''Basa Cerbon''."? :I think this sentence is in bad English. Maybe the writer meant to say: "The Western Javanese dialect, spoken in West Java (particularly in the north coast region), contains sub-dialects, which are distinct for their Sundanese language influences and which still contain many archaic words. The sub-dialects are "Serang Javanese", "North coastal Javanese", "Indramayu Javanese" or ''Dermayon'' and "Cirebon Javanese" or ''Basa Cerbon''." Or perhaps you can render it into a better sentence! BTW [...] still contain many archaic words, is non NPOV. User:Meursault2004 00:07, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- *# Vocabulary, Para5: "Malay language was as lingua franca of the Indonesian archipelago in former times and later as the official and national language of Indonesia." when exactly are these "former times", when was malay the official language of Indonesia. Is it still? * would be nice for someone who knows what they're talking about to make an article on topic-comment model syntax analysis (http://acl.ldc.upenn.edu/C/C80/C80-1035.pdf, google's html cache: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:1zopPMvicpAJ:acl.ldc.upenn.edu/C/C80/C80-1035.pdf+topic-comment+model&hl=en&client=firefox-a) * Vocabulary, Para4: I can't understand the sentece well enough to edit it. Here's what I think it'd look like in table form. Meursault2004, can you confirm or deny these allegations?

Javanese	Indonesian	Dutch	English
pit	sepeda	fiets	bicycle
pit montor	sepeda motor	motorfiets	motor bicycle
sepur	kereta api	spoor, i.e. (rail)track)	train

Some answers: *Well with former times, it is meant before 1945, the proclamation of Indonesia. In fact Malay is still the lingua franca and national language of Indonesia. The difference is, it is called by another name now. Nowadays it is called Indonesian language. It's basically the same language though. *Well I don't understand your question, but the table looks good. User:Meursault2004 16:52, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC) ---- You're welcome. BTW how come you're so interested in the Javanese language? Are you planning to learn this language? User:Meursault2004 11:11, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC) ==Banyumasan language== Hi Bubamara. You might also be interested to look at this Banyumasan language. User:Meursault2004 01:33, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC) :Thanks for your offer. I'll keep that in mind whenever I come to Oakland/SF! I saw you already edited some. You know the factual accuracy of this article is disputed. I've said many things about this in the talk page. User:Meursault2004 07:10, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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{| style="float: right; margin-left: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; width: 242px; border: #99B3FF solid 1px" | Wikipedia:Babel |- | |- | |} Bubarama exists. I'm an anti-racist, anti-capitalist anarchist. I do [http://midnightspecial.net this.] And [http://suigetsukan.org this.] I'm pretty new to wikipedia, so I'm trying my hand at a various things. I'm a bold editor, but haven't added any new content myself. I like plain language, especially in the law. I'm an inclusionist, but by nature I'm a purger, so I love to vote on easy deletes. ==to do:== *Kambojas, /Kambojas ==done:== *mobile government, /mobile government *standard Oil, /standard Oil *javanese language, /Javanese language thanks to User:Meursault2004

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