
The '''Ba'ath Parties''' (also spelled Baath or Ba'th; Arabic language: اﻟﺒﻌﺚ) comprise political party representing the political face of the Ba'ath movement. The original Ba'ath Party functioned as a pan-Arabism party with branches in different Arab countries. In 1966 the Party split into two, one branch based in Syria and the other in Iraq. Both Ba'ath parties maintain parallel structures in the Arab world. The Ba'ath Party came to power in Syria on 8 March 1963 and has remained influential ever since; the Ba'athists ruled Iraq from February 1963 until 2003. After the ''de facto'' deposition of President Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime in the course of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the occupying authorities banned the Iraqi Ba'ath Party in June 2003. The Arabic language word ''Ba'ath'' means "rebirth". Ba'athist beliefs combine Arab Socialism, militarism, nationalism, and Pan-Arabism. The mostly secular ideology often contrasts with that of other Arab governments in the Middle East, which sometimes tend to have leanings towards Islamism and theocracy. The motto of the Party is ''Wahdah, Hurriyah, Ishtirrakiyah'' means "Unity, Freedom, Socialism". "Unity" refers to pan-Arab unity, "Freedom'" emphasizes freedom from Western world interests in particular, and "Socialism" specifically references Arab Socialism. ==Origins== Both the Syrian and the Iraqi Ba'ath parties originated in the ''Ba'ath movement'', an Arab political movement which started in the early 20th century, founded by Syrian thinkers: most notably Michel Aflaq. Two other major proponents of early Ba'athist ideology, Zaki al-Arsuzi and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, like Michel Aflaq, had careers as middle-class educators, influenced in their political thought by Western education. Many early Ba'athists also professed Christianity. The movement also found support among the more republican wing of Iraqi soldiers in the United Kingdom and later in the Hashemite services. The '''Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party''' was officially founded at its first party congress, held in Damascus, April 7, 1947. The early party formed in opposition to both France colonial rule and to the older generation of Syrian Arab nationalists, and advocated instead Pan-Arab unity and Arab nationalism. Its constitution blended non-Marxism socialism and nationalism. The early Syrian Ba'athists opposed the influence of Europe in their country's affairs, and used nationalism and the notion of unifying the Arab world as a platform. Ba'athists always claimed to speak for the entire Arab nation and the progress of the masses, though the party remained extremely small, factional and often reliant on nationalist radicals in the militaries. However, its influence quickly spread to other Arab countries by 1954-58, and branches formed in Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon. ==The Syria-based Ba'ath Party== The Ba'ath party from the beginning intended to win power through peaceful means. The first success came in Syria, where the party became an important force, but dissolved itself upon the formation of the United Arab Republic (1958) in support of the new Gamal Abdel Nasser government. After the break up of the United Arab Republic in 1961 the party and its ideology came under the wing of a group of military figures who plotted to overthrow the government and used some Ba'athist ideology to justify their military rule. The military coup came in 1963, and it brought the Ba'ath Party to power in Syria. The new government promptly began a course of large-scale nationalization. From 1963, the Ba'ath functioned as the only legal Syrian political party, but factionalism and splintering within the party led to a succession of governments and new constitutions. In 1966 a military junta representing the more radical elements in the party displaced the more moderate wing in power, purging from the party its original founders, Michel Aflaq and Bitar. At this juncture the Syrian Ba'ath party split into two factions: the "progressive" faction, led by Nureddin Atassi, which gave priority to neo-Marxist economic reform, and the so-called nationalist group, led by General Hafez al-Assad. Assad's following had less interest in socialism, favoring a militant posture on the Arab union and hostility toward Israel. Despite constant maneuvering and government changes, the two factions remained in an uneasy coalition of power until 1970, when, in another coup, Assad succeeded in ousting Atassi as prime minister. Assad, one of the longest-ruling leaders of the modern Middle East, remained at Syria's political helm until his death in 2000, when his son Bashar al Assad succeeded him as President. Today the Ba'ath Party in Syria has little to do with its founding ideology. It has made little progress towards Arab unity, and has all but abandoned its commitment to socialism. For decades, Ba'athism has served merely as a justification for the military dictatorship in that country. The Syria-based Ba'ath Party has branches in Lebanon, Yemen, Jordan, Sudan, Iraq (currently split into two factions), etc., although none of the non-Syrian branches have any major strength. Palestinian know their local Syria-based Ba'ath Party as ''as-Saiqa'' (the Thunderbolt). ==The Iraq-based Ba'ath Party== Iraqi and Syrian Ba'athism today differ widely and partially oppose each other, though they only split a long time after their creation. They share one common feature in that under Saddam Hussein Iraq also moved away from Ba'athist principles. ===History=== In Iraq the Ba'ath party remained a civilian group and lacked strong support within the military. The party had little impact, and the movement split into several factions after 1958 and again in 1966. It lacked strong popular support, but through the construction of a strong party apparatus the party succeeded in gaining power. The Ba'athists first came to power in the coup of February, 1963, when Abdul Salam Arif became president. Interference from the Syrian Ba'athists and disputes between the moderates and extremists, culminating in an attempted coup by the latter in November, 1963, served to discredit the extremists. However, the moderates continued to play a major role in the succeeding non-Ba'athist governments. In July, 1968, a bloodless coup brought to power the Ba'athist general Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr. Wranglings within the party continued, and the government periodically purged its dissident members. Saddam Hussein eventually succeeded al-Bakr in 1979 and ruled Iraq until 2003. Although almost all the Ba'athist leadership had no military background, under Hussein the party changed dramatically and became heavily militarized, with its leading members frequently appearing in uniform. ===Structure=== The Party cell or circle, composed of three to seven members, constitutes the basic organisational unit of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party. Cells functioned at the neighborhood or village level, where members would meet to discuss and execute party directives introduced from above. Since individual cells had little contact with one another, those higher up could vigorously enforce party loyalties from the top down. As the U.S. and its allies discovered in Iraq in 2003, cell organization also made the Party highly resilient. A Party division comprised two to seven cells, controlled by a division commander. Such Ba'athist cells occurred throughout the bureaucracy and the military, where they functioned as the Party's watchdog, an effective form of covert surveillance within a public administration. A Party section, which comprised two to five divisions, functioned at the level of a large city quarter, a town, or a rural district. The branch came above the sections; it comprised at least two sections, and operated at the provincial level. The Party congress, which combined all the branches, elected the regional command as the core of the Party leadership and top decision-making mechanism. The national command of the Ba'ath Party ranked over the regional command. It formed the highest policy-making and coordinating council for the Ba'ath movement throughout the Arab world at large. ===Post-Saddam=== In June 2003, the US-led 2003 occupation of Iraq forces in Iraq banned the Ba'ath party. Some criticize the additional step the US took -- of banning all members of the Ba'ath party from the new government, as well as from public schools and colleges -- as blocking too many people from participation in the new government. Several teachers have lost their jobs, causing protests and demonstrations at schools and university. Under the previous rule of the Ba'ath party, one could not reach high positions in the government or in the schools without becoming a party member. ==The party outside of Iraq== The Iraq-based Ba'ath Party had branches in various Arab countries, such as Lebanon and Jordan. After the fall of the Saddam government, many branches have distanced themselves from the central party, such as the branches in Yemen and Sudanese Ba'ath Party. The branch amongst the Palestinians bears the name of ''Jabhat al-Tahrir al-'Arabiyah'' (the Arab Liberation Front, or ALF). ALF formed the major Palestian political faction in Iraq during the Saddam years. In Bahrain Rasul al-Jaishy leads the pro-Ba'ath Nationalist Democratic Rally Society (''Jami'at al-Tajammu' al-Qawmi al-Dimuqrati''). An Iraq-oriented Ba'ath Party branch formerly existed in Syria, which the Syrian government severely repressed. ==External links== *[http://albaath.online.fr/ The five volumes of Michel Aflaq's "On The Way Of Resurrection" (Fi Sabil al Ba'ath)''in Arabic''] *[http://www.damascus-online.com/se/hist/baath_party.htm Brief Syrian-focused official description] *[http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00733 Death of the dragon - from a bitter opponent of the Ba'ath] *[http://www.baath-party.org/eng/constitution.htm The Constitution of the Arab Socialist Ba'th Party] *[http://www.baath-party.org/index.htm Ba'th Party.org (in Arabic)] *[http://www.baath-party.org/eng/news.asp Ba'th Party.org (in English)] *[http://www.sudanbaath.20m.com/ Sudanese Ba'th Party (in Arabic)] Arab nationalist political parties Authoritarian political parties History of the Middle East Political parties in Iraq Political parties in Syria Political parties in Yemen
''An event in this article is a MediaWiki:April 7 selected anniversaries (may be in HTML comment). '' == Removed "by the United States" == I removed "by the United States" as of course the UK and others had something to do with it as well; those needing a listing of the cast of characters can follow the Iraq war link. The Iraqi Ba'ath predated Saddam, and at this point it's future seems better described as uncertain than over. It seems that the coalition forces are making some use of mid-level Ba'ath officials; see for example this article from The Guardian April 21: [http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940335,00.html?=rss Ba'athists slip quietly back into control] -- User:Infrogmation 06:59 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC) == CIA involvement == i wish you would talk about the CIA and its involvement in the Ba'ath party in the 1960s. this matter is a bit shrouded in mystery and debate, but most of it in the doldrums of obscurity rather than sunshiney public places like wikipedia. == Origins and Idealogies == What is the actual meaning of the word "Ba'ath"? By that I refer mainly to its etymology. From what little I know of the language, I guess it has something to do with land. User:Sweetfreek 23:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Editors not reading article first == Insertions in this article demonstrate that not all editors are reading the text first. User:Wetman 18:37, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) == Post-saddam == I noticed that in the "post saddam" section it states that there were "widespread but unreported protests", but this makes no sense. If they were unreported, how did the author know about them. This sounds like an attempt to fabricate facts, since we could try to verify the fact but will of course fail, because the protests went unreported. They must have been reported somewhere, I would like to see some documentation of this claim. User:AdamRetchless 05:19, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==External Links== Why is *[http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00733 Death of the dragon - obituary for the Ba'ath] an "uneeded" link? It doesn't seem to me to duplicate what's in the article. User:Dejvid 01:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) :The ideal Wikipedia links to pages that are high content, neutral, and from sources with strong credentials. The link added to this page and, to the one placed in Micheal Aflaq, meet none of these standards. - User:SimonP 03:47, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) OK, now I understand but where is it agreed that external links must be NPOV. I can't read arabic but I doubt whether the link to Alfak's writings are NPOV and indeed many links I'v seen in Wikipedia are not remotely NPOV. I read "External Links" as a warning that you are leaving the NPOV zone. If you do think that all NPOV links need to be deleted would you like to delete this: [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/801925.cms Saddam a hero: Daughter] which you will find on the Saddam Hussein page. User:Dejvid 13:03, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) :Primary sources, such as both those you mention, are always acceptable as external links, as they always present information that is not present in our articles. What is also important is how we describe an external link. A link saying "Saddam is a hero" is unacceptable but one saying "Saddam's daughter thinks he's a hero" allows a reader to better evaluate the claim. Ensuring that there is a diversity of points of view in the external links section is another essential method of being NPOV. For instance see global warming where the links are sorted by their affiliations. - User:SimonP 16:15, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) Then I'll clearly label them as from opponents. Deal? User:Dejvid 22:55, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::Not really, but perhaps you could find some links from a notable opponent of Ba'athism like the INC, Qutb, or Sadr. The fellow who wrote your piece is a known critic of the Iranian government, but no expert on Iraq or Baathism. - User:SimonP 23:03, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) :I think you are missing the bias that is implicit in the criteria you giv. Links from an organization automatically gain the status "primary" and they are, usually, pro. Syria remains a dictatorship so no Syrian opposition parties exist except in exile. Hence your definition of "primary" excludes partisan anti links but allows partisan pro links. It is true that there are now politically parties hostile to the Ba'ath in Irak but they are not involved in a struggle with the Ba'ath so their criticism of the Ba'ath is likely to be motivated by a need to prove their anti-Ba'ath credentials rather than anything deeper. And tell me, what qualification does Saddam's daughter have to assess Saddam as a ruler? Father yes, ruler no. :But more than that you seem to have a preference for political leaders over independent (albeit partisan) writers and journalists. The skill of being a good politician is not the same as that of a writer. Case in point Aflaq. Brilliant writer (even Makiya concedes that) - dead loss as a politician. User:Dejvid 12:56, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC) === Nothing wrong with POV links === There is nothing wrong with and there is no policy against POV links on Wikipedia (as long as the link description makes a clear statement which POV is represented). External links are not endorsements of their content. See Wikipedia:External_links, Wikipedia:Make_articles_useful_for_readers and meta:When should I link externally. —User:Christiaan 01:33, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC) Why was this moved Ba'ath Party it the far more common name. - User:SimonP 13:46, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
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The '''Ba'ath Parties''' (also spelled Baath or Ba'th; Arabic language: اﻟﺒﻌﺚ) comprise political party representing the political face of the Ba'ath movement. The original Ba'ath Party functioned as a pan-Arabism party with branches in different Arab countries. In 1966 the Party split into two, one branch based in Syria and the other in Iraq. Both Ba'ath parties maintain parallel structures in the Arab world. The Ba'ath Party came to power in Syria on 8 March 1963 and has remained influential ever since; the Ba'athists ruled Iraq from February 1963 until 2003. After the ''de facto'' deposition of President Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime in the course of the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the occupying authorities banned the Iraqi Ba'ath Party in June 2003. The Arabic language word ''Ba'ath'' means "rebirth". Ba'athist beliefs combine Arab Socialism, militarism, nationalism, and Pan-Arabism. The mostly secular ideology often contrasts with that of other Arab governments in the Middle East, which sometimes tend to have leanings towards Islamism and theocracy. The motto of the Party is ''Wahdah, Hurriyah, Ishtirrakiyah'' means "Unity, Freedom, Socialism". "Unity" refers to pan-Arab unity, "Freedom'" emphasizes freedom from Western world interests in particular, and "Socialism" specifically references Arab Socialism. ==Origins== Both the Syrian and the Iraqi Ba'ath parties originated in the ''Ba'ath movement'', an Arab political movement which started in the early 20th century, founded by Syrian thinkers: most notably Michel Aflaq. Two other major proponents of early Ba'athist ideology, Zaki al-Arsuzi and Salah al-Din al-Bitar, like Michel Aflaq, had careers as middle-class educators, influenced in their political thought by Western education. Many early Ba'athists also professed Christianity. The movement also found support among the more republican wing of Iraqi soldiers in the United Kingdom and later in the Hashemite services. The '''Ba'ath Arab Socialist Party''' was officially founded at its first party congress, held in Damascus, April 7, 1947. The early party formed in opposition to both France colonial rule and to the older generation of Syrian Arab nationalists, and advocated instead Pan-Arab unity and Arab nationalism. Its constitution blended non-Marxism socialism and nationalism. The early Syrian Ba'athists opposed the influence of Europe in their country's affairs, and used nationalism and the notion of unifying the Arab world as a platform. Ba'athists always claimed to speak for the entire Arab nation and the progress of the masses, though the party remained extremely small, factional and often reliant on nationalist radicals in the militaries. However, its influence quickly spread to other Arab countries by 1954-58, and branches formed in Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon. ==The Syria-based Ba'ath Party== The Ba'ath party from the beginning intended to win power through peaceful means. The first success came in Syria, where the party became an important force, but dissolved itself upon the formation of the United Arab Republic (1958) in support of the new Gamal Abdel Nasser government. After the break up of the United Arab Republic in 1961 the party and its ideology came under the wing of a group of military figures who plotted to overthrow the government and used some Ba'athist ideology to justify their military rule. The military coup came in 1963, and it brought the Ba'ath Party to power in Syria. The new government promptly began a course of large-scale nationalization. From 1963, the Ba'ath functioned as the only legal Syrian political party, but factionalism and splintering within the party led to a succession of governments and new constitutions. In 1966 a military junta representing the more radical elements in the party displaced the more moderate wing in power, purging from the party its original founders, Michel Aflaq and Bitar. At this juncture the Syrian Ba'ath party split into two factions: the "progressive" faction, led by Nureddin Atassi, which gave priority to neo-Marxist economic reform, and the so-called nationalist group, led by General Hafez al-Assad. Assad's following had less interest in socialism, favoring a militant posture on the Arab union and hostility toward Israel. Despite constant maneuvering and government changes, the two factions remained in an uneasy coalition of power until 1970, when, in another coup, Assad succeeded in ousting Atassi as prime minister. Assad, one of the longest-ruling leaders of the modern Middle East, remained at Syria's political helm until his death in 2000, when his son Bashar al Assad succeeded him as President. Today the Ba'ath Party in Syria has little to do with its founding ideology. It has made little progress towards Arab unity, and has all but abandoned its commitment to socialism. For decades, Ba'athism has served merely as a justification for the military dictatorship in that country. The Syria-based Ba'ath Party has branches in Lebanon, Yemen, Jordan, Sudan, Iraq (currently split into two factions), etc., although none of the non-Syrian branches have any major strength. Palestinian know their local Syria-based Ba'ath Party as ''as-Saiqa'' (the Thunderbolt). ==The Iraq-based Ba'ath Party== Iraqi and Syrian Ba'athism today differ widely and partially oppose each other, though they only split a long time after their creation. They share one common feature in that under Saddam Hussein Iraq also moved away from Ba'athist principles. ===History=== In Iraq the Ba'ath party remained a civilian group and lacked strong support within the military. The party had little impact, and the movement split into several factions after 1958 and again in 1966. It lacked strong popular support, but through the construction of a strong party apparatus the party succeeded in gaining power. The Ba'athists first came to power in the coup of February, 1963, when Abdul Salam Arif became president. Interference from the Syrian Ba'athists and disputes between the moderates and extremists, culminating in an attempted coup by the latter in November, 1963, served to discredit the extremists. However, the moderates continued to play a major role in the succeeding non-Ba'athist governments. In July, 1968, a bloodless coup brought to power the Ba'athist general Ahmad Hassan al-Bakr. Wranglings within the party continued, and the government periodically purged its dissident members. Saddam Hussein eventually succeeded al-Bakr in 1979 and ruled Iraq until 2003. Although almost all the Ba'athist leadership had no military background, under Hussein the party changed dramatically and became heavily militarized, with its leading members frequently appearing in uniform. ===Structure=== The Party cell or circle, composed of three to seven members, constitutes the basic organisational unit of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party. Cells functioned at the neighborhood or village level, where members would meet to discuss and execute party directives introduced from above. Since individual cells had little contact with one another, those higher up could vigorously enforce party loyalties from the top down. As the U.S. and its allies discovered in Iraq in 2003, cell organization also made the Party highly resilient. A Party division comprised two to seven cells, controlled by a division commander. Such Ba'athist cells occurred throughout the bureaucracy and the military, where they functioned as the Party's watchdog, an effective form of covert surveillance within a public administration. A Party section, which comprised two to five divisions, functioned at the level of a large city quarter, a town, or a rural district. The branch came above the sections; it comprised at least two sections, and operated at the provincial level. The Party congress, which combined all the branches, elected the regional command as the core of the Party leadership and top decision-making mechanism. The national command of the Ba'ath Party ranked over the regional command. It formed the highest policy-making and coordinating council for the Ba'ath movement throughout the Arab world at large. ===Post-Saddam=== In June 2003, the US-led 2003 occupation of Iraq forces in Iraq banned the Ba'ath party. Some criticize the additional step the US took -- of banning all members of the Ba'ath party from the new government, as well as from public schools and colleges -- as blocking too many people from participation in the new government. Several teachers have lost their jobs, causing protests and demonstrations at schools and university. Under the previous rule of the Ba'ath party, one could not reach high positions in the government or in the schools without becoming a party member. ==The party outside of Iraq== The Iraq-based Ba'ath Party had branches in various Arab countries, such as Lebanon and Jordan. After the fall of the Saddam government, many branches have distanced themselves from the central party, such as the branches in Yemen and Sudanese Ba'ath Party. The branch amongst the Palestinians bears the name of ''Jabhat al-Tahrir al-'Arabiyah'' (the Arab Liberation Front, or ALF). ALF formed the major Palestian political faction in Iraq during the Saddam years. In Bahrain Rasul al-Jaishy leads the pro-Ba'ath Nationalist Democratic Rally Society (''Jami'at al-Tajammu' al-Qawmi al-Dimuqrati''). An Iraq-oriented Ba'ath Party branch formerly existed in Syria, which the Syrian government severely repressed. ==External links== *[http://albaath.online.fr/ The five volumes of Michel Aflaq's "On The Way Of Resurrection" (Fi Sabil al Ba'ath)''in Arabic''] *[http://www.damascus-online.com/se/hist/baath_party.htm Brief Syrian-focused official description] *[http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00733 Death of the dragon - from a bitter opponent of the Ba'ath] *[http://www.baath-party.org/eng/constitution.htm The Constitution of the Arab Socialist Ba'th Party] *[http://www.baath-party.org/index.htm Ba'th Party.org (in Arabic)] *[http://www.baath-party.org/eng/news.asp Ba'th Party.org (in English)] *[http://www.sudanbaath.20m.com/ Sudanese Ba'th Party (in Arabic)] Arab nationalist political parties Authoritarian political parties History of the Middle East Political parties in Iraq Political parties in Syria Political parties in Yemen
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''An event in this article is a MediaWiki:April 7 selected anniversaries (may be in HTML comment). '' == Removed "by the United States" == I removed "by the United States" as of course the UK and others had something to do with it as well; those needing a listing of the cast of characters can follow the Iraq war link. The Iraqi Ba'ath predated Saddam, and at this point it's future seems better described as uncertain than over. It seems that the coalition forces are making some use of mid-level Ba'ath officials; see for example this article from The Guardian April 21: [http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,940335,00.html?=rss Ba'athists slip quietly back into control] -- User:Infrogmation 06:59 Apr 21, 2003 (UTC) == CIA involvement == i wish you would talk about the CIA and its involvement in the Ba'ath party in the 1960s. this matter is a bit shrouded in mystery and debate, but most of it in the doldrums of obscurity rather than sunshiney public places like wikipedia. == Origins and Idealogies == What is the actual meaning of the word "Ba'ath"? By that I refer mainly to its etymology. From what little I know of the language, I guess it has something to do with land. User:Sweetfreek 23:06, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) == Editors not reading article first == Insertions in this article demonstrate that not all editors are reading the text first. User:Wetman 18:37, 7 Apr 2004 (UTC) == Post-saddam == I noticed that in the "post saddam" section it states that there were "widespread but unreported protests", but this makes no sense. If they were unreported, how did the author know about them. This sounds like an attempt to fabricate facts, since we could try to verify the fact but will of course fail, because the protests went unreported. They must have been reported somewhere, I would like to see some documentation of this claim. User:AdamRetchless 05:19, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC) ==External Links== Why is *[http://www.thetablet.co.uk/cgi-bin/archive_db.cgi?tablet-00733 Death of the dragon - obituary for the Ba'ath] an "uneeded" link? It doesn't seem to me to duplicate what's in the article. User:Dejvid 01:50, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) :The ideal Wikipedia links to pages that are high content, neutral, and from sources with strong credentials. The link added to this page and, to the one placed in Micheal Aflaq, meet none of these standards. - User:SimonP 03:47, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) OK, now I understand but where is it agreed that external links must be NPOV. I can't read arabic but I doubt whether the link to Alfak's writings are NPOV and indeed many links I'v seen in Wikipedia are not remotely NPOV. I read "External Links" as a warning that you are leaving the NPOV zone. If you do think that all NPOV links need to be deleted would you like to delete this: [http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/801925.cms Saddam a hero: Daughter] which you will find on the Saddam Hussein page. User:Dejvid 13:03, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) :Primary sources, such as both those you mention, are always acceptable as external links, as they always present information that is not present in our articles. What is also important is how we describe an external link. A link saying "Saddam is a hero" is unacceptable but one saying "Saddam's daughter thinks he's a hero" allows a reader to better evaluate the claim. Ensuring that there is a diversity of points of view in the external links section is another essential method of being NPOV. For instance see global warming where the links are sorted by their affiliations. - User:SimonP 16:15, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) Then I'll clearly label them as from opponents. Deal? User:Dejvid 22:55, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC) ::Not really, but perhaps you could find some links from a notable opponent of Ba'athism like the INC, Qutb, or Sadr. The fellow who wrote your piece is a known critic of the Iranian government, but no expert on Iraq or Baathism. - User:SimonP 23:03, Jan 27, 2005 (UTC) :I think you are missing the bias that is implicit in the criteria you giv. Links from an organization automatically gain the status "primary" and they are, usually, pro. Syria remains a dictatorship so no Syrian opposition parties exist except in exile. Hence your definition of "primary" excludes partisan anti links but allows partisan pro links. It is true that there are now politically parties hostile to the Ba'ath in Irak but they are not involved in a struggle with the Ba'ath so their criticism of the Ba'ath is likely to be motivated by a need to prove their anti-Ba'ath credentials rather than anything deeper. And tell me, what qualification does Saddam's daughter have to assess Saddam as a ruler? Father yes, ruler no. :But more than that you seem to have a preference for political leaders over independent (albeit partisan) writers and journalists. The skill of being a good politician is not the same as that of a writer. Case in point Aflaq. Brilliant writer (even Makiya concedes that) - dead loss as a politician. User:Dejvid 12:56, 29 Jan 2005 (UTC) === Nothing wrong with POV links === There is nothing wrong with and there is no policy against POV links on Wikipedia (as long as the link description makes a clear statement which POV is represented). External links are not endorsements of their content. See Wikipedia:External_links, Wikipedia:Make_articles_useful_for_readers and meta:When should I link externally. —User:Christiaan 01:33, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC) Why was this moved Ba'ath Party it the far more common name. - User:SimonP 13:46, Feb 27, 2005 (UTC)
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