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The terms alternative rock and alternative music#Footnotes were coined in the early 1980s to describe punk rock-inspired music genres which didn't fit into the mainstream genres of the time. At times it was used as catch-all phrase for rock music from underground artists in the 1980s and rock music in general in the 1990s. More specifically, it is made up mostly of genres that appeared in the 1980s and became popular or well known by the 1990s, such as indie rock, post-punk, gothic rock, and college rock. Most alternative bands were unified by their collective debt to punk, which laid the groundwork for underground and alternative music in the 1970s. Though the genre is considered to be rock, some of its genres were influenced by folk music, reggae and jazz music among other genres. ==Overview== In the late 1970s and early 1980s only CFNY, a commercial radio station in Toronto, Ontario, regularly broadcast alternative rock in North America. By 1982, a handful of college radio stations, like Danbury, Connecticut's Western Connecticut State University, broadcast alternative rock in the United States. Most commercial stations, CFNY being a notable exception, ignored the genre. It was played extensively in the UK, particularly by DJs such as John Peel (who championed alternative music on BBC Radio 1), Richard Skinner, and Annie Nightingale. As alternative rock became more popular in the mid-1980s, it spread widely to other college radio stations, leading to the use of the name "college rock" in the United States. In the UK, it became the predominantly popular form of rock for young people, and many alternative bands had chart success. Finally, in the late 1980s in North America, commercial stations such as Boston, Massachusetts's WFNX began playing alternative rock. By that time, CFNY's format was moving away from alternative as university radio stations took over the genre. Outside of North America, Triple J, a government-run radio station in Australia, started broadcasting alternative rock from 1975 in Sydney, Australia. In 1990 it began broadcasting nationally, though with a more "watered down" format. Notable alternative bands of the early to mid 1980s include R.E.M. (band), Talking Heads, Sonic Youth, the Replacements and Hüsker Dü from the United States, and New Order, The Smiths, The Cure, and The Cult from the United Kingdom. Although these groups never generated spectacular album sales, they exerted a considerable influence on the generation of musicians who came of age in the 80s. Alternative music and the rebellious, DIY punk ethic ethic it espoused became one of the inspirations for grunge, an alternative sub-genre created in the 80s that created a large movement in mainstream music in the early 90s. Led by the popularity of Nirvana (band), the grunge movement took alternative rock into the mainstream. While "alternative" was simply an umbrella term for a diverse collection of underground rock bands, Nirvana and similar groups gave it a reputation for being a distinct style of guitar based rock which combined elements of punk and heavy metal music; their creation met with considerable commercial success. By the mid-90s, alternative was synonymous with grunge in the eyes of the mass media and the general public and a supposed "alternative culture" was being marketed to the mainstream in much the same way as the hippie counterculture had in the 1960s (the existence of any such culture is debatable, and is often seen by some fans of the music to have been a creation of the media). By this time, however, alternative bands who were leery of broad commercial success had developed indie rock, a new genre that espoused a return to the independent music ethos of alternative music. In the first decade of the 21st century, mainstream rock has continued to evolve beyond alternative's 80s roots and low-fidelity ethos. Today's most popular rock music acts, typified by youth oriented modern rock groups such as Linkin Park, incorporate complex electronic beats and highly produced albums, but owe a heavy debt to their metal and grunge influences. In spite of being influenced by alternative rock, many fans of the genre do not see these bands as being alternative, but instead as part of the nu-metal genre. ==Influences== * Punk rock * Post punk * New wave music * Industrial music * Hardcore punk ==Styles== * Britpop * College rock * Dream pop * Gothic rock * Grunge music * Indie rock * Jam band * Madchester * Shoegazing * Twee ==See also== *List of alternative rock artists *Timeline of alternative rock *Music webzines ==Footnotes== # The term "alternative music" is particularly favoured over "alternative rock" in British English, while "alternative rock" is favored in American English. The term underground music is sometimes also used, though more often used in reference to the music of little-known artists. ==External links== *[http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47B16DF49AD7320C59E3349DCA77AF129D342F382172E4B41D3A77F4B82006AE050F98488F2A326F878AEE02BBB580FD3CEA25EF6DE6E373D8DFEC61D&sql=77:4464 All Music Guide entry for alternative rock] *[http://www.bandnews.org/genre/Rock/Alternative Alternative Rock News] *[http://www.y100rocks.com Alternative Rock Internet Radio Station] Alternative music Rock music genres radio formats
== Alternative "music"? == In my experience, this style of music is generally referred to as "Alternative rock". See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Alternative_music What links here]. I plan to move the page unless objections are raised. User:Acegikmo1 20:58, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC) :I don't know about anywhere else, but in Britain it's definitely "Alternative music". --User:Steinsky 13:36, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::That's interesting. Is any distinction made between "alternative music" and "indie music" in Britain? The most common term in the United States is "alternative rock" (2,070,000 Google hits). I have heard "alternative music" (376,000 Google hits) used here, but it's definately less common. User:Acegikmo1 13:46, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) ---- ==Linkin Park?== Should Linkin Park really be mentioned in this article? I'd hardly consider them representative of alternative. Modern mainstream music does not really reflect the original styles or ethics of alternative rock. Much of what still gets mislabeled "alternative" seems to be mere shallow imitations of the true form, and I'd say Linkin Park is amongst these bands. Modern mainstream rock may have some influences from alternative, but it is definitely not alternative itself. -- User talk:LGagnon 17:43, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) * Changed Last para to reflect how Linkin Park is a descendent of grunge. Talk:MPS21:20, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Pixies? == I think Pixies should be mentioned as a significant 80's alternative rock band, not least because they form a 'missing link' here, having been influenced by Husker Du, and being the main influence on Nirvana. (And that's a statement of fact, not opinion. These influences were acknowledged by the bands themselves. Of course, in my opinion they hold their own very well against these other bands.) -User:130.242.128.121 :I agree. Do you want to make some changes to the article regarding the Pixies? :User:Acegikmo1 18:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC) == Alternative Rock stemming from Jazz vs. Regular Rock from Blues? == Regular Rock and Roll with the BASIC 4-4 time signature came from Blues music perfected in Chicago as well as country music. The reason Alternative Rock seems to be called Alternative is from its subtleness taken from Jazz time signature styles, primarily. Jazz was invented in New Orleans, Louisiana. When you listen to bands like Phish verses The Grateful Dead the similarities are very similar but with one major difference. Phish seems like an alternative band compared to GD being a straight rock style. Phish’s emphasis seems geared more toward Jazzy “off-beat-type” riffs. This makes Alternative Rock feel less “booming, solid or definitive” as compared to Regular 4-4 Rock. But Alternative music seems sexier and more descriptive because of less emphasis on time signature and more on substance and fluidity. :I'm not so sure Phish counts as alternative rock. Maybe if you gave a better example I might agree. -- User talk:LGagnon 22:17, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC) : I also think your recent additions are questionable. You did not wait for discussion to be made first before adding jazz and funk to the influences. In my opinion, they should not be added there. I also do not think Art rock should be considered a derivative form, since it has been around longer. -- User talk:LGagnon 22:22, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC) ==US centred article== Perhaps understandably so, this article is incredibly US-centred. For instance, writing that alternative music was only played on this or that college station entirely ignores that while it might have been marginal in the US, it was not at all so in the UK and other places, such as Australia, or Germany, where neue Deutsche Welle ruled the charts in the early to mid 80s. I had to stop rewriting it when I got to the part that suggested that alternative bands did not have spectacular sales. This is complete nonsense. It might be true of the US, but it certainly isn't of other countries. The UK used to have "indie" charts that ran alongside the regular ones, and it wasn't uncommon for records to top both. User:Dr Zen 08:46, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Yep, this is definitly a "The US slept during the 80's" article. It looks like someone who grew up with MTVs "Alternative Nation" wrote it. -- 212.80.224.243 :The article doesn't seem entirely US-centric; there's some info on the UK and other countries. And, might I add, some of us editors are American and can't really tell you what happened on the other side of the pond that well. Thus, those who are from other countries should add in what needs to be added that they know. If you know what needs to be added, then by all means add it in. -- User talk:LGagnon 18:05, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
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The terms alternative rock and alternative music#Footnotes were coined in the early 1980s to describe punk rock-inspired music genres which didn't fit into the mainstream genres of the time. At times it was used as catch-all phrase for rock music from underground artists in the 1980s and rock music in general in the 1990s. More specifically, it is made up mostly of genres that appeared in the 1980s and became popular or well known by the 1990s, such as indie rock, post-punk, gothic rock, and college rock. Most alternative bands were unified by their collective debt to punk, which laid the groundwork for underground and alternative music in the 1970s. Though the genre is considered to be rock, some of its genres were influenced by folk music, reggae and jazz music among other genres. ==Overview== In the late 1970s and early 1980s only CFNY, a commercial radio station in Toronto, Ontario, regularly broadcast alternative rock in North America. By 1982, a handful of college radio stations, like Danbury, Connecticut's Western Connecticut State University, broadcast alternative rock in the United States. Most commercial stations, CFNY being a notable exception, ignored the genre. It was played extensively in the UK, particularly by DJs such as John Peel (who championed alternative music on BBC Radio 1), Richard Skinner, and Annie Nightingale. As alternative rock became more popular in the mid-1980s, it spread widely to other college radio stations, leading to the use of the name "college rock" in the United States. In the UK, it became the predominantly popular form of rock for young people, and many alternative bands had chart success. Finally, in the late 1980s in North America, commercial stations such as Boston, Massachusetts's WFNX began playing alternative rock. By that time, CFNY's format was moving away from alternative as university radio stations took over the genre. Outside of North America, Triple J, a government-run radio station in Australia, started broadcasting alternative rock from 1975 in Sydney, Australia. In 1990 it began broadcasting nationally, though with a more "watered down" format. Notable alternative bands of the early to mid 1980s include R.E.M. (band), Talking Heads, Sonic Youth, the Replacements and Hüsker Dü from the United States, and New Order, The Smiths, The Cure, and The Cult from the United Kingdom. Although these groups never generated spectacular album sales, they exerted a considerable influence on the generation of musicians who came of age in the 80s. Alternative music and the rebellious, DIY punk ethic ethic it espoused became one of the inspirations for grunge, an alternative sub-genre created in the 80s that created a large movement in mainstream music in the early 90s. Led by the popularity of Nirvana (band), the grunge movement took alternative rock into the mainstream. While "alternative" was simply an umbrella term for a diverse collection of underground rock bands, Nirvana and similar groups gave it a reputation for being a distinct style of guitar based rock which combined elements of punk and heavy metal music; their creation met with considerable commercial success. By the mid-90s, alternative was synonymous with grunge in the eyes of the mass media and the general public and a supposed "alternative culture" was being marketed to the mainstream in much the same way as the hippie counterculture had in the 1960s (the existence of any such culture is debatable, and is often seen by some fans of the music to have been a creation of the media). By this time, however, alternative bands who were leery of broad commercial success had developed indie rock, a new genre that espoused a return to the independent music ethos of alternative music. In the first decade of the 21st century, mainstream rock has continued to evolve beyond alternative's 80s roots and low-fidelity ethos. Today's most popular rock music acts, typified by youth oriented modern rock groups such as Linkin Park, incorporate complex electronic beats and highly produced albums, but owe a heavy debt to their metal and grunge influences. In spite of being influenced by alternative rock, many fans of the genre do not see these bands as being alternative, but instead as part of the nu-metal genre. ==Influences== * Punk rock * Post punk * New wave music * Industrial music * Hardcore punk ==Styles== * Britpop * College rock * Dream pop * Gothic rock * Grunge music * Indie rock * Jam band * Madchester * Shoegazing * Twee ==See also== *List of alternative rock artists *Timeline of alternative rock *Music webzines ==Footnotes== # The term "alternative music" is particularly favoured over "alternative rock" in British English, while "alternative rock" is favored in American English. The term underground music is sometimes also used, though more often used in reference to the music of little-known artists. ==External links== *[http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&token=ADFEAEE47B16DF49AD7320C59E3349DCA77AF129D342F382172E4B41D3A77F4B82006AE050F98488F2A326F878AEE02BBB580FD3CEA25EF6DE6E373D8DFEC61D&sql=77:4464 All Music Guide entry for alternative rock] *[http://www.bandnews.org/genre/Rock/Alternative Alternative Rock News] *[http://www.y100rocks.com Alternative Rock Internet Radio Station] Alternative music Rock music genres radio formats
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== Alternative "music"? == In my experience, this style of music is generally referred to as "Alternative rock". See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Alternative_music What links here]. I plan to move the page unless objections are raised. User:Acegikmo1 20:58, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC) :I don't know about anywhere else, but in Britain it's definitely "Alternative music". --User:Steinsky 13:36, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) ::That's interesting. Is any distinction made between "alternative music" and "indie music" in Britain? The most common term in the United States is "alternative rock" (2,070,000 Google hits). I have heard "alternative music" (376,000 Google hits) used here, but it's definately less common. User:Acegikmo1 13:46, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) ---- ==Linkin Park?== Should Linkin Park really be mentioned in this article? I'd hardly consider them representative of alternative. Modern mainstream music does not really reflect the original styles or ethics of alternative rock. Much of what still gets mislabeled "alternative" seems to be mere shallow imitations of the true form, and I'd say Linkin Park is amongst these bands. Modern mainstream rock may have some influences from alternative, but it is definitely not alternative itself. -- User talk:LGagnon 17:43, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC) * Changed Last para to reflect how Linkin Park is a descendent of grunge. Talk:MPS21:20, 10 Sep 2004 (UTC) == Pixies? == I think Pixies should be mentioned as a significant 80's alternative rock band, not least because they form a 'missing link' here, having been influenced by Husker Du, and being the main influence on Nirvana. (And that's a statement of fact, not opinion. These influences were acknowledged by the bands themselves. Of course, in my opinion they hold their own very well against these other bands.) -User:130.242.128.121 :I agree. Do you want to make some changes to the article regarding the Pixies? :User:Acegikmo1 18:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC) == Alternative Rock stemming from Jazz vs. Regular Rock from Blues? == Regular Rock and Roll with the BASIC 4-4 time signature came from Blues music perfected in Chicago as well as country music. The reason Alternative Rock seems to be called Alternative is from its subtleness taken from Jazz time signature styles, primarily. Jazz was invented in New Orleans, Louisiana. When you listen to bands like Phish verses The Grateful Dead the similarities are very similar but with one major difference. Phish seems like an alternative band compared to GD being a straight rock style. Phish’s emphasis seems geared more toward Jazzy “off-beat-type” riffs. This makes Alternative Rock feel less “booming, solid or definitive” as compared to Regular 4-4 Rock. But Alternative music seems sexier and more descriptive because of less emphasis on time signature and more on substance and fluidity. :I'm not so sure Phish counts as alternative rock. Maybe if you gave a better example I might agree. -- User talk:LGagnon 22:17, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC) : I also think your recent additions are questionable. You did not wait for discussion to be made first before adding jazz and funk to the influences. In my opinion, they should not be added there. I also do not think Art rock should be considered a derivative form, since it has been around longer. -- User talk:LGagnon 22:22, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC) ==US centred article== Perhaps understandably so, this article is incredibly US-centred. For instance, writing that alternative music was only played on this or that college station entirely ignores that while it might have been marginal in the US, it was not at all so in the UK and other places, such as Australia, or Germany, where neue Deutsche Welle ruled the charts in the early to mid 80s. I had to stop rewriting it when I got to the part that suggested that alternative bands did not have spectacular sales. This is complete nonsense. It might be true of the US, but it certainly isn't of other countries. The UK used to have "indie" charts that ran alongside the regular ones, and it wasn't uncommon for records to top both. User:Dr Zen 08:46, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC) :Yep, this is definitly a "The US slept during the 80's" article. It looks like someone who grew up with MTVs "Alternative Nation" wrote it. -- 212.80.224.243 :The article doesn't seem entirely US-centric; there's some info on the UK and other countries. And, might I add, some of us editors are American and can't really tell you what happened on the other side of the pond that well. Thus, those who are from other countries should add in what needs to be added that they know. If you know what needs to be added, then by all means add it in. -- User talk:LGagnon 18:05, Apr 10, 2005 (UTC)
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